r/ACourtOfDreams

I do not understand why readers, particularly Maas readers, can't like more than one FMC at a time. I've just muted the Throne of Glass sub after seeing yet another post calling Feyre insufferable to hype up Aelin. Is the internalised misogyny really that bad that they can't like more than one FMC at a time?

Love Feyre but then love Nesta after Silver Flames? Obviously have to hate Feyre now.

Love Aelin but then meet Manon? Aelin sucks.

Read ACOTAR before Throne of Glass? Aelin is awesome, Feyre is insufferable.

Love Elain? Gwyn is evil.

Love Gwyn? Elain is pointless.

I can't take anymore posts taking an fmc from different series to rank their powers and who would win in a fight.

I've never understood having to choose between the sisters in acotar, but how is anyone reading Throne of Glass >!(with one of its main themes being the impact of small acts of kindness)!< and then tearing down other women.

SJMs FMCs are honestly some of my favourites I've ever read about, and I'm just so tired of conversations about loving one turning into hatred for another.

My tbr is getting out of control, every time I see someone call and fmc 'insufferable', I add the book to my list 😂

Anyway rant over lol and I'm bored so feel free to tell me which characters you love and why 🥰

​"I think understanding why a person does something, or understanding why an abuser is an abuser, doesn't excuse what they've done, nor does it make that behavior okay."

​For me, Tamlin wasn't a character I really cared about after finishing the series. He didn't interest me at all in the first book, I hated him in the second book, and after he helped us in the third book, I just said "thanks Tamlin" and left him behind. But the acotar fandom at least the one on the internet seriously shocks me.Things have gotten to a point where people are calling everything Feyre experienced, felt, and saw a lie or an illusion. Sarah states that he is an abuser and she literally wrote him that way; understanding why he did those things doesn't excuse him. Feyre was his victim, and I will never defend his actions. At most, I can understand them, but I will never forgive him or look past it.

​"For me, the big thing is that I have so many readers and close friends who have survived domestic violence or abuse, and they project those abusers onto Tamlin. If I give him an easy redemption arc, I worry about hurting people who have had those experiences in real life or sending the wrong message."

​​"I don't completely hate him, but sometimes I'm just really, really angry with him. Fans don't even fully know how messed up and dark his family actually was. Plus, he never had the right tools or a support system to deal with the horrific trauma he went through Under the Mountain."

​It feels to me like Sarah didn't say she won't write a redemption arc for Tamlin, but rather that it won't happen easily. It almost feels like she wants to write it. We already know he has traumas too, but we never learned them in full detail, and Sarah will probably explain them to us later.

My biggest fear right now is that this fandom has a serious reading comprehension issue, or there is a portion of them that completely warps canon just to defend their favorite characters. The whole "Feyre is an unreliable narrator" nonsense is already out there, and it's going to increase heavily after Tamlin's redemption arc. They just can't understand the difference. A character going through trauma or having traumatic reasons behind their actions doesn't erase the damage they inflicted on others. Tamlin’s past does not delete Feyre’s trauma.

​They love to weaponize and compete with trauma, claiming he suffered more so what he did isn't that big of a deal. But Feyre was literally withering away in his court, and his one good saving act doesn't wipe away the past abuse. Tamlin healing in his own story won't change the fact that he was an abuser in Feyre's story. A character achieving redemption doesn't retroactively make the person they traumatized wrong. This fandom will keep twisting canon to say "see, Tamlin was good all along," but with the author herself literally on record stating he is an abuser, no fan theory will ever be enough to erase the concrete pain Feyre experienced.

Honestly, I am so sick of Tamlin and I don’t want to talk about him anymore, so this is my last post about him.I hope it stays that way.

Hi everyone!
Welcome to our mega thread! We have some members who are currently rereading the entire series and would love to discuss it with others. Even if you're not rereading the books, feel free to join the ongoing conversations.

Please be aware that this thread is not spoiler free.
However, if you want to mention information from TOG or CC, please use spoiler tags.

Stay respectful and keep discussions as close to canon as possible. It's best to include quotes or references from the books so that headcanons don't get mixed up with canon.

Let's get ready for ACOTAR 6 & 7!

okay I'm thinking this will be cool if any of them having a pet and I love the idea of it.

For me Elain has a rabbit or puppy and they play in the park with her will be adorable and Azriel has a spy owl helping him to spy

I can also image Amren having a snake and makes Cassian freak out about it 😆

I would love a place to chat with anyone else rereading the books before the next release! I’m a mom of 2 babies so I’m probably going to use the audiobooks this time around cause I won’t have time to sit and read much. I’m not as Reddit/tech savvy as I once was 😅 if anyone knows of a way/place to get something like this going I’m all ears!! I’d love to discuss everyone’s insights on their reread: things you’re just now noticing, things you forgot, opinions that have changed, anything!

​Yesterday, I actually made a post for fun about which character traits I don't align with and the behaviors I don’t support. However, a lot of people mistook it for IC hate, so it ended up getting removed. Because of that, I wanted to make a new post about the ACOTAR characters' flaws and how the fandom handles this whole situation.

​Someone left a comment on that previous post and I’m quoting it exactly here:

​Feyre: too impulsive

Elain: too passive

Nesta: too mean

Rhys: too secretive

Cassian: too deferential

Azriel: too standoffish

​And I completely agree with this comment bc SJM wrote them exactly this way. I love them entirely for their flaws. I understand all of them, but that doesn't mean I support every single thing they do.

​For instance, Feyre went to UTM with literally zero planning but it worked out. If she had overthought whether it was logical or not, she probably wouldn't have gone. But at the same time, Feyre is incredibly brave and we see this multiple times throughout the books. Take Elain, for example—I already love her so much even though her book isn't out yet. She’s a kind, gentle, thoughtful, and reliable character, but her flaw is being too passive. For example, back in the cottage, she never defended Feyre against Nesta or stepped in between them. That’s her flaw, but at the same time, she bought Feyre paints and gave her hope. In ACOSF, we got hints that she wants to do something more, and when her own book comes out, she will step into the spotlight too.I think I've shown my love for both Feyre and Elain plenty of times, both in my comments and the posts I've made.I love them but I’ve never just ignored their flaws.

​As for Nesta, trying to deny that she was disgusting and a total bully to Feyre in the past literally throws her entire character growth in the trash. I’ve always said that I never supported that behavior, and I don't think it's right when people try to justify what she did.

​Rhys is just that guy who keeps secrets and acts all mysterious, which honestly makes him so much like Celaena. For example, he kept the mating bond a secret from Feyre, and honestly, he did exactly what he needed to do there. But keeping her pregnancy a secret from her was never okay—I get why he did it, but I definitely don't support it. That being said, I still defend Rhys against those ridiculous theories, like the ones claiming he just used Feyre because he wanted an heir. I’ve even shared posts about this. And etc etc it goes on like this. I don't know, I just feel like viewing them as flawless completely strips away the depth of the characters.

​Aside from that, I also want to talk about the fandom’s perspective on these characters. With the release of ACOSF, the fandom literally split in half because a portion of the fans started accepting Nesta's POV as the absolute truth. However, it's a third-person POV, but a limited one, it’s not an omniscient third-person perspective. There were so many moments where Nesta let her feelings cloud her judgment or misunderstood things; we definitely can't consider her perspective as mentally healthy or reliable, especially at the beginning of the book.

Anyway, back to the point: these fan wars have been going on without a break for five years now, and it has reached a point where you can't criticize any character or make jokes about them anymore, because both sides perceive it as a personal attack/lynching. For example, I saw a meme about a character the other day, and the comments were immediately jumping to their defense, saying things like, "This isn't something to joke about," or "Actually, they did that because of this," or "You guys just don't understand the character." It's exhausting.

I mean, as the positive side of this fandom that actually loves the characters, I feel like we need to accept their flaws.

What are everyone’s theories, headcanons, and hopes for Nuala and Cerridwen’s involvement in the upcoming ACOTAR books?

I might collect these for a post to finish out Nuala and Cerridwen Week. If you don’t want credited by username (which I will for unique theories or quotes if I make this post) or if you don’t want yours included at all, just say so in your comment and I won’t.

In the podcast CHD Sarah spoke about a lot of things: her personal life, Rhysand, Tamlin, Elain and her bond, and A LOT of Nesta. The new merchandising is focusing mostly on he batboys and the archeron sisters, BUT Bloomsbury is not only not giving any info at all, but the only promotion they do is about the valkyries. At the beginning I thought it was just a promotion about the whole series but now it’s only a bit more than 3 months left and they still only talk about the valkyries 😅 I have to wonder if next book is about Nesta again???? For the ones of you who read CC3 you know how it ended… but ACOTAR 6 was supposed to be Elain’s book. She said years ago she was working on it. So what is happening? Why bloombsbury is only promoting the valkyries?

I liked these series because of Rhysand and Feyre, I only read Nesta’s book because I was curious but Nesta is not appealing to me so I woudn’t read another book of her as a main character. I am curious about Elain and about her powers, I love Azriel… so I was expecting they were next. But I don’t get this marketing thing unless is Nesta’s book again…

What do you think?

If you had the chance to enter the acotar books and become a character of your choice, who would you choose?

If we had to ignore all the trauma and dying/near dying they've endured 😂

Me personally I'm a terrible baker and all my plants die hopelessly every time, so being like Elain would be amazing to me. Plus in the spirit of Nuala and Cerridwen week, and at the risk of being repetitive, they sound like the most interesting friends to have! I'd love to be in her shoes.

What about you? It can be from the Night Court, or any other** Court (the summer Court sounds awesome to me).