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I'm done staying silent, my friends. Yes, more fresh TEST drama! TEST is dead, or dead inside and rotting. And WinterCo and Fraternity are the ones that killed it.

I'm a FC in TEST who's been feeling the slow decline for the months I've been here.

TEST thrived in Geminate. The content was glorious. The PVP was glorious. The PVE was glorious. When the Goons came to kick over our little test-icle, even though we had to abandon the region, we helped WinterCo fight for the region back. Geminate was saved from the Goons because of us. But, what was the reward? We were told to pack up and move to Tribute, "next-door neighbors" to Fraternity, with the promise of sovereignty.

Tribute was a downgrade but we took the L and moved anyways. That was the deal.

THAT WAS 15 WEEKS AGO!

For 15 weeks, we have been living on Fraternity's couch. We're squatting in a region we don't own. I can't run my Ishtars or ratting because Fraternity keeps ruining everything in their own space, botting, stealing sites, and getting dropped on because they keep moving blueprints in their freighters or losing AT ships.

The content has dried up. The fleet numbers drop with every passing week. We are losing pilots to AFK status because there is literally nothing to do but defend Fraternity's multiboxers, botters, and cheaters in a system where we don't even have a say. We are being systematically starved of content by WinterCo and Fraternity, and I'm increasingly believing our enemies when they call us "pets".

And as "pets", who is holding the leash, my friends? Noraus.

Noraus is the only thing standing between TEST and actual gameplay. We have gone nearly 15 weeks without an approval for sovereignty from him. In exchange for all of the hard work we put in to save Geminate, what do we get? NOTHING. No moons, no SRP, no income, no sovereignty.

The other day was the last straw for me, though. The Enyo King of Tribute, "Sir Tobias Helm", peace be upon his name, finally had enough of the cowardice from WinterCo and TEST Alliance leadership. This absolute chad took matters into his own hands and started to entosis our own home system.

So, what did the illustrious Sappo and High Command do to commend Sir Tobias?

Banned him and blacklisted him from the alliance. Forever.

This absolute king tried to get our alliance to play the game and got banned for it.

This leads me to the logical conclusion for what's currently happening to TEST. TEST high command has sold out to WinterCo, who is trying to poach members from our alliance while we bleed out slowly. This situation has had zero transparency around it from TEST leadership. Line members are routinely ignored when asking about sovereignty or any matters related to WinterCo. The sentiment against WinterCo from TEST line members is at an all-time low, with the mood increasingly becoming tense and dour. Nobody, except for high command, actually wants to be in this coalition of scum. We routinely endure racism and mockery in the WinterCo discord server's general channels, with their own diplomatic team doing nothing to stop this. WinterCo's own line members clearly does not want to be our allies either. They want our alliance to die a slow and pathetic death.

I made several suggestions to alliance leadership both in private and on Discord. Those suggestions have gone ignored, and on several occasions my posts have been straight-up DELETED.

TEST alliance leadership is actively censoring discussion around this topic in our Discord server. An esteemed Alliance Tournament pilot in Dreddit was recently just timed out for 72 hours for discussing this very topic.

I'm highly considering just dropping roles and joining a more competently lead group of players, but TEST is my home. I'm tired of WinterCo getting away with killing a supposed ally.

If you needed any more evidence that WinterCo are the real problem with this game, let this post be your evidence. Fuck WinterCo.

Hey guys, I am somewhat new to Eve (6 months) and I absolutely 100% refuse to multibox. I don’t want to start yet another discussion about the morals of multiboxing but rather have a question for the people that Solobox:

How do you earn your ISK? I am currently doing a lot of ratting in low sec (where the group I play with resides). The part of space that I am in seems pretty frequented so the good ded sites you can scan down are often times gone which leads to me just belt ratting all day. I have done *some* exploration in nullsec but did not get lucky with the big loot.

Since Eve is so expansive I am wondering if there are some really decent things I haven’t done yet, that are 100% possible solo.
Thanks for any answers :)

...if it weren't terrible bait.

Thinking about the multibox concerns, I'm thinking a good compromise would be to identify common utility multibox reasons and see if it can be converted into a feature.

For example, to replace a:

scouting alt -> a module, deployable, or drone that can be sent out to warpable grid in space, or jump through a gate and return on-grid results.

--- counter play, it can be destroyed before returning

jita/trader alt -> a citadel module or specialized ship/module that allows a player to access remote region markets.

--- trade off could be a delay in updating market data based on distance

Cyno alt -> maybe something like a deployable that you can place at a destination and activate it remotely to jump to

--- counter play, it can be destroyed after an activation window

Salvage alt -> an mtu that can salvage wrecks

Hauling alt -> (guessing here) maybe a more robust hauling/delivery service interface that is subsidized by the game to increase player interest or an npc delivery service

The purpose of multiple combat ships would never fit into this category.

Anything else?

I really like eve, but the normalized multiboxing is making me want to quit way more than the learning curve.

I’ve discovered eve recently and started playing it, I joined eve university, I’ve been trying to learn the game properly, and honestly there is a lot about it that I really like

I like that the game is complicated. I like that there are a shit ton of systems. I like that you have to actually learn things and that the game doesn’t just handhold you through everything. The danger, the economy, the ships, the weird social/political side of it, all of that is cool to me.

So this isn’t really a “eve is too hard” post

The part that feels bad to me is how normalized multiboxing seems to be

As a new player, it is extremely off-putting to realize that a big part of "playing efficiently" seems to involve having multiple accounts doing different things at the same time.

and I know people are going to say "you don’t NEED to multibox", and sure, technically you don’t need to do anything. You can play however you want. But there is a difference between "you don’t need to" and "the game/meta clearly rewards this heavily enough that it starts feeling like the expected way to play" and that’s the issue for me

It’s not just that I don’t want to manage several accounts. It’s that I don’t even know IF I would enjoy managing several accounts until I’ve already invested a significant amount of time and probably money into the game

maybe multiboxing is fun, but that’s a really, really, really big IF

from my perspective, the path feels like:

- start playing the game
- enjoy it
- realize omega is basically the real game
- pay for omega
- spend a bunch more time learning/farming
- then maybe eventually pay for or farm another omega account
- then maybe multibox
- then maybe discover that controlling multiple clients is actually as bad as it sounds

That feels like such a bad proposition for a new player

The game itself is extremely fun, which is what makes this frustrating. If i thought eve was boring I would just quit and not care. But I do like it. I like the complexity. I like the learning curve. I like the idea of losing ships mattering, I like the politics.

What I don’t like is the feeling that playing one account means I'm basically choosing to be inefficient or disadvantaged before I’ve even gotten properly invested

getting killed by veterans doesn’t scare me off. losing ships doesn’t scare me off. having to learn the game doesn’t scare me off

what scares me off is the impression that the "real" way to play eventually becomes account management, and I’m just not willing to pay for omega, then spend more time farming towards another omega account, just to find out that multiboxing is not even fun to me

I'm not saying multiboxing should be banned tomorrow or whatever. I get that it’s deeply baked into the game at this point

but from a new player perspective, it feels really bad. it makes the game feel less like "this is a hard sandbox mmo" and more like "you’re going to be competing with people who are effectively playing several characters at once"

and yeah, that is a much bigger turn off to me than eve being dangerous or complicated

Back in the day I invested in a batch of multi run battleship BPCs thinking I'd make a fortune off my mining accumulations. When I did the sums I calculated I'd make slightly more isk just selling the raw materials and my industry skills were pretty good even back then. I still don't quite understand how ship manufacture is worth it.

From the office of President Krimson J. Serenity:

DUDREDA DECLARED LIBERATED AS THE LOWSEC SWAMP ABANDONS ITS FINAL METENOXS

Today marks a historic day for the free people of lowsec.

After weeks of grand speeches, dramatic proclamations, and countless declarations that the “Strait of Dudreda remains closed,” the leadership of the LOWSEC SWAMP, headed by the increasingly absent SNUFFED OUT, has officially abandoned its remaining Metenox operations in Dudreda.

Without a fight.

Without resistance.

Without so much as a courtesy undock.

Many predicted a glorious last stand. Instead, the Swamp quietly packed up its mud huts in the middle of the night, leaving behind only empty structures and disappointed pets.

The Ministry of Swamp Drainage can now officially confirm:

The Strait of Dudreda is OPEN.

BIGAB and SEDIT objectives remain secure.

The Swamp has been successfully drained.

BIGAB/SEDIT Moon Drills in place. DRILL BABY DRILL!

For the past month the Swamp insisted Dudreda belonged to them. They imposed imaginary tolls, declared imaginary blockades, and issued endless diplomatic communications about territory they ultimately proved unwilling or unable to defend.

History has reached its verdict.

Dudreda does not belong to the Swamp.

It belongs to those willing to undock.

The citizens of New Eden may now once again travel through Dudreda free of swamp bureaucracy, unsolicited Reddit essays, and self-appointed gate inspectors. The only toll required is the willingness to bring a fleet.

To the many former residents of the Lowsec Swamp: BIGAB wishes you the very best as you search for your next mud puddle. We understand change can be difficult.

To the leadership of SNUFFED OUT: thank you for your time of dedicated service as caretakers of Dudreda. We regret to inform you that your lease has expired.

No forwarding address was provided.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER

On this beautiful holiday, the Sedition Defense Forces, alongside the United States of Deepwater, formed up to defend Metropolis from the Ayatollah Out regime and its various proxies.

The operation was a beautiful display of logistics, teamwork, and coordination. The result? The Ayatollah forces spent most of the evening doing what they do best: sitting safely docked in station.

The Ayatollah proxies, otherwise known as the Amarrolah militia, didn't fare much better. They, too, found themselves confined to their naval bases while the skies over greater Metropolis remained firmly under SDF control.

Special recognition goes to our great tech HIPPA and our cutting-edge, instantaneous Osprey-based repair technology. Thanks to his efforts, every important Metenox objective was successfully repaired.

The highlight of the evening came when the Ayatollah coalition attempted to escalate but made the unfortunate decision to bridge in roughly 300 kilometers away from the Metenox. Apparently cyno placement remains a developing technology for the regime. That extra distance gave HIPPA all the time needed to finish repairs. By the time the SDF landed on grid looking for a fight, the enemy decided that discretion was the better part of valor and rapidly returned to the safety of their station.

SDF forces camping Ayatollah Out in the station

Our superior lancer technology, courtesy of David's Lance, also known as Abraham's Lance, proved highly effective at keeping them exactly where they wanted to be: inside. Meanwhile, their Mimatarian drone technology and cruise missile platforms failed to achieve any meaningful strategic objectives.

At that point, we simply camped them in place using superior lancer technology while they explored innovative new docking mechanics, logoff tactics, and self-preservation strategies. They engaged even in low levels of copium due to their oppression of black rise and not getting any content complaining staying up till 3am and proceeding to stay docked.

https://preview.redd.it/hb1v47c2wfbh1.png?width=209&format=png&auto=webp&s=2367f99ae3d3888a74eea9faab3c11668cabe787

Later in the evening, one of their proxy groups decided that attacking one of our POCOs with capitals was a fantastic idea. We respectfully disagreed, conducted a drive-by on their dreadnought, and removed it from the field with extreme efficiency.

https://zkillboard.com/kill/136785310/

Overall, we defended every objective that mattered. Maybe a POCO changed hands for a little while, but those are replaceable. Strategic objectives were secured, enemy escalations failed, and morale remained high.

We've also heard reports of growing frustration within the Ayatollah coalition after spending most of Independence Day docked up instead of fighting. If true, that's unfortunate, but perhaps next timer they'll undock.

The Butterfly Effect was the trailer years ago that got me into EVE. Does anyone remember it? Damn I miss the old days in EVE.

Special mention to my 2nd favourite trailer "Causality"