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Image 1 — Cardinal Scents : a warning and PSA
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Cardinal Scents : a warning and PSA

Hey all, writing this on behalf of a dear friend who doesn’t have the energy to relay all of this while it’s still fresh, but who has given her blessing for me to spread the word.

She placed a $200+ order from the new scent launch. (Personal aside, I didn’t like how they handled the inaccurate TAT’s for the launch in general, especially the most recent “reply all” e-mail…) On July 27th, she received her package and saw that it was missing two 15mls from her order, so $72 of product.

She emailed Haley, who responded promptly and said they would send out the missing product that day, promising a tracking number sent by the next day. However, my friend then heard nothing so reached back out the next day when no tracking was received. Heard nothing. She reached back out again on Aug 7 asking for an update and again, heard nothing.

So, the night of Aug 10 she filed a chargeback (for $36, part of the order was done on a debit card so she only filed a chargeback for what was purchased on credit) with her bank. Promptly on Aug 11, she was contacted by Haley with the attached email which is passive aggressive enough, to which my friend responded with her reasoning for filing a chargeback rather than asking for a refund. She then received the last email pictured which was, in my opinion, a really disgusting way for a business owner to speak to a customer, for a number of reasons. She then emailed to lastly just clarify and ask if she was getting the missing 15mls or not, to which Haley said yes, they were being sent out, and ended with :

“I’m sorry you had a poor experience.” No accountability on the multiple mistakes or inability to communicate on Cardinal Scents end.

She had attempted to cancel her previous chargeback due to the products now being sent, but the bank had already decided in her favor, so Haley was notified of this. She then sent a final email calling my friend “a liar and thief” which is absolutely vile.

So, I will not be purchasing from this house any longer as a result. Not trying to influence or argue with anyone here, just sharing information I know I’d want to know as a consumer.

EDIT - I have added a video in the comments showing my friend’s emails to Cardinal Scents for full transparency on the situation.

u/themidnightbagel — 14 hours ago

Bath and Body Lavender Marshmallow as a perfume?

Hey all!

I am in love with Bath and Body Works' Lavender Marshmallow candle (and can't get it again until they bring it back!), and am wondering if anyone has any recommendations for perfumes that smell similar?

It's a soft, lightly sweetened, almost powdered sugar with a background hint of warm lavender...it's a really "cozy" and warm smell, without being too sickeningly sweet/gourmand, or too harsh/sharp floral...

u/crispy-fried-lego — 12 hours ago

Tell me what I’d love based on my top 5

To be noted: 🙅‍♀️not a gourmand girly, if it
has even a hint of coconut 🙅‍♀️, anything
too sweet 🙅‍♀️, anything Macy's perfume
counter smelling 🙅‍♀️

Give me weird ✅, give me mosses ✅,
give me fresh herbs and spices ✅, give me atmospherics ✨✅

And please, throw some wild cards! I never knew I would love olive oil as a note in perfume, but here l am. Rosa Antiqua is one of my top 3 favorites, haha.

u/Ice_Carol — 11 hours ago

Alpha Musk Dupes + Reviews Request

I got very into indie perfumes at the start of 2026 and through the weekly swaps/destashes, discovered I have a really high hit rate with alpha musk perfumes, which is great! But also frustrating given they are unlikely to ever return (which from what I understand is unfortunately for the best).

All this to say, there are some perfumes that were sold by alpha musk that i find myself very intrigued by and that I have been in search of, but I also know my ability to find these scents is up to the whims of the perfume gods at this point. So, for anyone who has or had these scents, I would be eternally grateful if you could share your impressions/reviews of these scents, let me know if you have found any dupes/similar scents and please feel free to deinflunce me if I list any scents you hated! Thank you so much in advance! All i have to offer in return is cat pics so if you would like one, please just let me know.

Alpha Musk Scents for Impressions/Reviews/Dupes:

- SEX & SWEAT MUSK - a trio of red musks, a dash of superior, then something sweetly sloppy with a mad surge of wet sugary salty fluids over some skin/flesh musk combined

- FLUID - sexuality is different for everyone. This scent is inspired by some of the fluids of, well, I think I’ve said enough. Buttery salt liquids, human fur, essence of others, barely there touches of sage, lavender, lotus, marigolds, immortelle, woods and the thorns of roses, playdoh and coal soot

- GENDER NEUTRAL - golden aura musk, Egyptian sandalwood, pussy willow buds, sipped cognac, dewy spring heather, cozy in a vegan feather down comforter, memory ridden vintage pinaud musk after shave

- PURR - shaved skin musk, cinnamon, hot red jasmine, a hole punched in dry wall, pulsating pheromones

- ALIEN VAMPIRE - a weird fiendish wench of the night wearing seductive bold deep red musks, and a rich ripe just smutty enough sambac jasmine, over a pulsating pheromonic body musk, cardamom, and mineralistic blood stones

- SEXPOT - labdanum & benzoin resinous ambre base, warming milky cardamom, creamy endearing cedarwood, incense ash, musky luring pheromones, a modern take on a lightly oakmossed chypre with a vanilla and cetalox twist, Royal superior musks

- YEARNING - chain smoking cigarillos, amber noir, syrupy red Egyptian musk, ginger & cloves

- CYBER MUSK - a beautiful long lasting clean body musk with a touch of pheromones this is irresistible! Casablanca lily, soft jasmine, cool violets blended with a pale arabian oud, Mysore sandalwood and a dry imported arabian white musk and a touch of illicit pheromones to create a soft, smooth addictive fragrance just like the internet. It’s Modern semi sharp, cleanish while sexy dirty.

- Dirty Nicki - succulent raspberries, leather, notes from a cold stone torture chamber, Egyptian sandalwood and pheromones.

- Nympho Nymph - This is for the sexy woodland fairy goddess. Sweet red musk, animal musk, and haboosh musk (a brown strong woody smooth imported musk attar from India) pheromones with green fresh moss and green forest accord.

- QUEEN OF BALTIMORE - blood orange and drugstore cotton candy body spray, lipstick wax, face powder all lingering over a smutty red musk blended with a major slutty animalistic musk.

- Blondie - is a blend of yellow musk, a silky vanilla accord, orange blossom and clementine, sweet red musk, vinyl, kohl eyeliner, a plumeria and magnolia skin musk, pheromones, all lit with a sexy cinna-pepper accord

- BLOOD IS LIFE! - the coppery essence of blood on a buttery pheromonic feral skin musk, a different take on a blood musk

- DRIFTER - sooted leather well worn work boots, dark dry benzoin, worn out wool sweater cardigan, cigarette stained fingertips, greasy sun-kissed hair, tinge of grass and tree bark, River damped denim dusted with dirt & clay

- VILLAGER - sun kissed baby-shampooed hair, warm skin musk, sea salt air, crushed sea shells, sooted sands, tonka beans, crumbling castle stones, distant woods

- DETACHED - crystallized amber, vintage nitro style base musk with a 90’s come hither fresh pheromone, modern timbersilk molecules, black currant, orris root, cedarwood, Mysore sandalwood, green tea with bergamot

- FUCK THE PATRIARCHY - whiskey, neat, cleansing woody incense and sage smoke, smoldering red musk, dry sensual myrrh

- Grace Jones - late 70’s green spicy addictive chypre, animalistic musks, nymphish forest musk, sparkling sequin mist.

- Pixies - 90’s body musk, smoky rose, ambrette seed oil, dark plum stained lips, ghostly orris, cotton denim that really needs to be washed, clove cigarette smoke, old leather car interior saturated with the mildewed smell of the outdoor moist air, unwashed brand new black freshly screen printed band tee shirt you can still smell the warmed factory cotton and pressed ink

- Smells Like teen spirit (inspired by Kurt) - ethereal grey amber, musty in a good way punky b.o., Seattle rain and petchoir.

- PRIMAL - furry musk, animal pheromones on top of human sexy-what what! pheromones, white leather, I salted some of my chypre and added rich imported rare brown deer musk (it’s extracted from musk deer ‘sprayed’ seed pods— no deers were harmed in the process but just trust weird musk process because, it’s out there) the salted chypre makes this blend do something to me! Or is that the load of pheromones?

- QUIVER - a sip of Beaujolais Nouveau wine, sweet black musk, dewy skin essence, flickering of neon lights, glowing golden amber musk, chilly oversized sweater nights under crescent moonlight

- LOOK AT ME! - smutty red slightly indolic jasmine, burnt marshmallows, syrupy sexy Egyptian red musk

- OFF WITH IT - blood musk, branded burning hot flesh, the sparking clashing drop of an antique metal guillotine, a dribble of resinous blackened tarrish oud

- BURLYWOOD - cozy mellow cashmere white rose, silk over skin musks, tahara musk cream, Baltic Amber, ambrette seed musk

- BUNNY EARS - soft buttery bunny fur, tender balsam accord, honeysuckle nectar, fluffy marshmallow cream puffs, soft ethereal bunny essence

- EMO EMU - dark smooth myrrh resins, black vanilla beans, balsamic nagarmotha, patchouli oiled feather fluff, pond stones, sparkling pheromonal musk

- LONE WOLF - syrupy labdanum, coriander, dark smoky balsams, pheromonal vanilla musk, warm cedarwoods, golden saffron, dingy wolf fur musk

- RIP ROAR - fossilized amber tincture, buttered toast with grape jam, sweet sexy sweaty skin musk, mystic amber woods

- SEAL GIRL - heliotrope musk, blooming blue lotus, powdered dry clay, seal doe musk, barely raspberry touched beach sands, fizzy sea foam, creamy amber ethereal, tea cakes

- WHISPER - (label art by @cassiopeiacrows) a whispy pale dreamy musk with a bite, pulsating soft pheromones but I’ll be quiet I can’t touch you.

- BAE BREEZE - Salty air, ethereal white ambers, lotus, gold musk, incense, ivy vines

- LACELIKE - dewdrops over wildflower fields, doe musk, vanilla dancing swirls, chiffon pink Amber

- YONDER - Bluebell, morning dew, bergamot, ethereal white amber

- IT’S BETTER IN MY ROBE - fresh lingering fabric softener dryer sheets, on a woolen Cotton blend, pheromonic morning skin musk, a whisper of morning black tea

- PINKIE - primal pink-red punk musk, cotton candy rose buds, smoky pheromones, smoothed out by a dollop of lingering creamy benzoin resins and Shea buttered skin

- KNIVES OUT - cybernetic late 90’s slick too cool nitro-style musk over nervous sweating skin, a 2000’s flip cell phone excessively vibrating in body heated polyester pockets

- MELT - key lime sprig in your gin & ginger ale with a sprinkle of salt on the rim, your body pulsates in the heat with a mystical amber vanilla white aura

- EARTHA - cruelty-free doe deer musk (not vegan just ethically sourced), aged patchouli, rosewood, tonka bean, nerolina, medium throw royal amber, superior furry musk accord, pink peppercorns, copaiba, amber oud, cozy Arabian sandalwood, bint el madina dark musk, orris root, sparkling glowing aldehydes, touch of clove, desert petrichor, coffee e.o.

- PARTNER MUSK - toasted mallow musk blended with a richer ambrette, tolu balsam, peru balsam, orris fix, sandalwood incense blend, sea salt, touch of soft iso; smells like sniffing a lovers head, mostly natural but added the synthetic iso because it gave me that pheromonic head sniff feeling.

- VAMPIRE MUSK - a diabolical red musk that will have your greatest enemy groveling at your feet.

- Hangover Juice - Salty, unwashed, dragged out of bed skin musk, with a strangely perfect duality of banana and basil.

- Mermaid Musk - a clean aquatic, fresh, bold, nature inspired musk with no green notes. Aquatics are tamed by pheromones and sea salts very musk unisex very intense throw

- ZONKED - sweat, blood and tears. a pulsating body musk that’s ready to....get it.. go to sleep. it’s got a slice of that active sporty musk just cut with exhausted sweaty musk and nuances of booze, old hose watered down perfume, it has that earthy sun kissed rust vibe of water that’s coming out of a warm outdoor hose that’s been unused for far too long

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u/AdSensitive9744 — 7 hours ago

Perfume recs for 2000s J-Horror Video Game Protagonist?

I’m thinking of notes like incense, tea, wood, petrichor, soil, and maybe even gunpowder. But all of it is grounded in something feminine (maybe florals). I personally am not the biggest fan of rose, but am willing to be convinced otherwise.

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u/sharklatte — 12 hours ago

Indies of the Day -- Wednesday August 19, 2026

What indies are you using today? And we mean everything! Examples of stuff we'd love to hear about:

  • Makeup

  • Clothes

  • Jewelry

  • Bath and Body (lotion, soap, shampoo, bath salts, etc.)

  • Nail polish

  • Perfume

Please feel free to leave mini-reviews and include photos of whatever you're using. We'd love to know your thoughts and see the products too!

This thread repeats daily.

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u/RowanHalifax — 19 hours ago

Seeking reviews for Arcana's Metzili

I really wanted to try it during their previous sale but it sold out in all sizes before I could buy. Out of all the scents in their catalog, I am almost ready to risk FS'ing it before their prices increase (if they restock it before then...). Fall is coming and it seems like a nice, sweet scent. I love gourmand and vanillas but it is a necessity? Is it a unique scent or could I find something similar elsewhere?

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u/Relevant_Coach_1774 — 14 hours ago

Stress Buy Support

Hello, IMAM!

Many of us shop more during times of stress, and many of us are more stressed than usual these days. The Mod Team would like to provide a space for community members (including ourselves!) to discuss coping with stress as we try to stick to our personal and financial goals.

Financial Planning

If you are interested in financial planning (e.g., making a budget, managing debt, setting and reaching savings goals), check out r/personalfinance. Their wiki is a great resource.

Having Fun with Your Collection

Here are some ideas about how to explore your collection and/or connect with the indie community that do not involve spending:

  • Re-organize your collection. If you have a lot of samples, separate the ones you haven’t tested yet, the ones you want to destash, and the ones you’d like to keep/upgrade.
  • Start a collection spreadsheet. Here is an example!
  • Start an indie journal. Make note of which indie products you use every day. At the end of the month/season/year, tally up your “biggest hits” and share them on IMAM or another community.

"Shopping" without Spending

If you find that the act of shopping and submitting orders is hard to resist, you might consider trying one of the following strategies:

  • “Window shop": build a wishlist on the brand’s website (e.g., Etsy, Silk Naturals, BPAL have this feature); save your favourites to a Pinterest board or document them in a spreadsheet.
  • “Shop” at your local library: if your library has an online catalogue, browse through it and put items on hold, check out digital resources, or create a list of titles you’d like to check out. Perhaps you'd like to challenge yourself to learn more about perfume, makeup, or cosmetic chemistry!

Please share your challenges, strategies, struggles, and successes with us!

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u/AutoModerator — 19 hours ago

Sharing collection!

Hi all! I reorganized my collection today and wanted to share with everyone. I got inspired after someone on here the other day bought shelves and shared their beautiful collection. Post pics of yours too!

u/breadalldayyay — 1 day ago

Milk perfumes without Tonka bean or spices

Hello everyone! I'm looking for milky perfumes and body butter without Tonka beans and other spices. I don't mind other notes in the perfumes and body butters

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u/KawaiiStar_YT — 1 day ago

Hoshi Gato hit the spot! A review of 6 scents by a fruity floral lover.

I got a sample pack of Hoshi Gato scents back in May! And I’ve really enjoyed them so wanted to share a review after having worn each scent quite a bit.

Suncatcher

Notes - Top: Sugared pineapple, Cranberry, Cherry; Middle: Mango, Strawberry, Rose; Base: Vanilla, Black tea

Impressions - Summer time sunshine, fruity and shiny! I’m a big time fruit lover so this was the scent I was most excited for and I absolutely adore it. I also love the dry down, the mix of vanilla, rose and black tea is super smooth and dreamy. 6/5! It’s on my wishlist to upsize ASAP!

Rainbow

Notes - Top: Ozone, Blooming grass, Water lily; Middle: Wild strawberry, Jasmine, Ylang Ylang, Misty air; Base: Vanilla, Floral musks

Impressions - a spring rain shower just ended and the sun is out! I am surrounded by flowers! This is such a gorgeous atmospheric floral! This was the favorite of my 2 sisters and nieces, and for me it’s my second favorite of the bunch! 5/5

Frooty

Notes - Top: Sugared lemon, Cherry; Middle: Classic fruity cereal; Base: Sandalwood, Soft florals, Almond milk

Impressions - it’s giving froot loops! If you want to smell like froot loops + milk - this is it baby! The fruit notes fall off after 4ish hrs for me and it ends very milky. I enjoy this but don’t personally want to smell like froot loops milk all day. 3/5

Creep

Notes - Top: Gravestones, Wet dirt, Moss; Middle: Crisp green apple. French lavender, Hyacinth; Base: Orris root, Patchouli, Benzoin, Oud, Oakmoss, Cetalox

Impressions - Damp and rainy earth, beautiful green apple, something a bit sneezy/itchy to my nose? Maybe the oakmoss? Much cleaner/crisp feeling than I was expecting with that dirt note. Lovely but not my personal favorite. 4/5

Meloncholy

Notes - Top: Green melon, forest greenery; Middle: Aquatic musk, tuberose absolute, French lavender; Base: Tobacco absolute, Incense, spiced woods, Veramoss

Impressions - I was surprised by how masc the vibes were on this one? In a good way though! I really enjoyed the melon mixing with aquatic and lavender. I always loved the cucumber melon scents from bath&body and this reminds me of a very elevated version of it! It’s super well blended and ends beautifully woodsy. A bit more masc than I wear everyday but def still my vibe! 4/5

Strawberry Milk Cake

Notes - Top: Fresh strawberry, caramelized butter; Middle: Evaporated milk, Chantilly cream; Base: Amber glitter, skin musk, vanilla pound cake

Impressions - artificial strawberry and buttercream cake, very much milky buttery sweetness! A bit too sweet and milky for me but I think really true to the notes and the name. 3/5

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Overall, I really enjoyed my Hoshi Gato samples & experience! I would totally recommend giving them a try! I’m really happy that I liked all of the scents and even found one I really really love! That is not always the case when I try a sample pack from a new to me brand so it’s very exciting. I also appreciate the perfumer’s attention to accessibility and listing of allergens/ingredients.

The branding/packaging is super cute. I also found shipping was pretty dang quick for me, my package was shipped the next day after I ordered and I received it about 6 days after that.

Hope this helps anyone who has been interested in this house!

u/Moogzmugz64 — 1 day ago

wick wish news!! rollerballs and immortal rose collab

as your resident wick wish evangelist and enthusiast, i just wanted to pop by and share some exciting wick wish news!!

first, rollerballs are available!! these are now an option on the regular open-mouthed 8ml bottles and now perfume samples and rollerballs are available on individual perfume oil listings in a dropdown menu. scents are being updated with the changes so some may be missing from the site right now but i already see some back that weren't there earlier this afternoon! i do love the flush look of the open-mouthed caps but prefer rollerballs for pretty much all other brands for application, so i'm excited to try this out! i ordered one to test out for an upcoming trip i'll be going on in september. the rollerballs will ship with the flush lids to prevent leaks so if you select the rollerballs (which have a slight increase in price) you'll actually get both application options! it looks like you'd just pop it into the opening once it arrives to you. (fwiw, i find the wick wish bottles' openings so narrow that i don't have any fear of spilling or anything, unlike bpal or similar brands with the much wider openings)

and second, wick wish has an official author collaboration with alexandra bracken for her new novel immortal rose, which is out as of today! there are two officially licensed perfume oils based on the characters in the book, viola lockwood and hugh thornton, and they both have the rollerball option available on the listings (as well as samples) and it says they're available through mid-2027 so not limited edition or anything! they also ship in a cute house of rosebourne perfumery-branded box instead of the standard perfume oil box (i assume this is related to the book, i'm excited to read it! my preorder arrived today!!). obviously i also ordered both of these to try out lol. viola sounds especially gorgeous!!

finally, there looks to be a small autumn preview of returning wax melts up on the site (under "autumn shop") and it sounds like the autumn collection will be launching as a non-preorder in september!!

there's more info and photos on wick wish's IG stories and in the newsletter sent out earlier today (link to sign up in the website footer) but wanted to spread the word here as well!

u/meirelav — 1 day ago

Indies of the Day -- Tuesday August 18, 2026

What indies are you using today? And we mean everything! Examples of stuff we'd love to hear about:

  • Makeup

  • Clothes

  • Jewelry

  • Bath and Body (lotion, soap, shampoo, bath salts, etc.)

  • Nail polish

  • Perfume

Please feel free to leave mini-reviews and include photos of whatever you're using. We'd love to know your thoughts and see the products too!

This thread repeats daily.

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u/RowanHalifax — 2 days ago
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Arcana Wildcraft Flash Sale

“Please join us in wishing Arcanaowner Jason a very happy birthday tomorrow! In honor of Jason and all Leos everywhere, code LEO will get you 18% off from midnight PST tonight (8/17/26) to noon PST tomorrow (8/18/26). 
🦁 
Please note that Arcana's prices will be going up at the end of this month. More news is coming very soon about exact numbers, but we can tell you now that samples will stay the same price and disco sets will also stay the same price
🎂”

Not affiliated, update message from newsletter sent Aug 17, 2026.

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u/Idk_345am — 2 days ago

fall/winter realistic atmospherics

hello! i'm on the hunt for some realistic atmospherics for fall and winter and am hoping for some recs :) some houses that i really enjoy and that seem to work well for me are pineward and stone and wit. i've had luck with fantome as well, and alkemia and solstice scents have been a bit hit or miss. i love green and woody scents, and don't mind some sweetness/gourmands but am picky as i like my sweeter scents to be well balanced, nuanced, and without too much sweetness. i also love a smoky note and have been hunting for a good salty ocean scent. i'm not too picky on whether things lean fem or masc. just was hoping for some seasonally themed favorites-- whether including the holidays or not!

scents i love for reference: fantome's lycanthrope (oil, not edp-- something weird happens with the edp on my skin) and stolas, stone and wit's the red hare and lost temple, pineward's cotswold and coastal veil (so far, the best atmospheric i own. it's genuinely transportive to a chilly morning on a rocky ocean shore)

what are your favorite autumn-winter, true-to-life perfumes?

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u/kirkegriim — 1 day ago

Recommend Me Perfumes Based Off a Song: Wisborg Perfume & Cigarettes

Not sure if this is a weird request, but I was idly listening to Wisborg's Perfume & Cigarettes and decided to look up the lyrics, only to be surprised that half the lyrics are scent notes recalling a past lover's perfume. I really like the song & emotion of it, it brings me back to old longing memories and hazy nights of meeting someone at the goth club. It makes me want to be the girl in the song, as silly as that sounds. So I'm looking for perfumes inspired directly by the scent notes in the lyrics, inspired by the general vibe of the song, or a mix of both.

Scent note lyrics are as follows (full lyrics here):

I remember you
Your face is blurred
But one thing's crystal clear
An olfactory memory
A vivid scent
Of perfume and cigarette smoke

Patchouli
Vanilla and musk
Sandalwood
A chocolate kiss
Caramel
Nocturnal bliss
I don't remember
Don't remember much
But I remember this

I'm guessing that the song is likely inspired by the base notes of Mugler's Angel. I've never smelled Angel (mainstream perfumes have always given me headaches) and I'm not really looking for an Angel dupe, rather something that has a bit more of the darker vibe of the song. I am a baby newbie when it comes to patchouli, though, so I would prefer something that doesn't scream patch.

Thank you for indulging my slightly odd request.

u/April-Lily — 1 day ago