r/IntoTheSpiderverse

I’ve seen a lot of opinions about how Miles will react to Gwen. Some people think their relationship should remain fractured. There can still be forgiveness, but the story has to acknowledge the choice Gwen made and the consequences of it.
Others think Miles won’t talk to Gwen at all, or that he’ll give her the cold shoulder for most of the movie.
But I think some people are forgetting who Miles is as a person — not just who he is as Spider-Man.
With almost any other protagonist, I could see the “cold shoulder until Gwen earns his trust back” approach being great mature writing.

But Miles has repeatedly shown that when someone he loves hurts him, his first instinct isn’t necessarily to condemn them. It’s often to understand them — and sometimes even blame himself.

Look at Aaron.

Before Gwen, Aaron was one of the people Miles felt most comfortable around. He could be his authentic self with his uncle without worrying about expectations, responsibilities, or having to become somebody else.

And then Miles discovered that Aaron was the Prowler.

Remember what Miles actually witnessed. He saw the Prowler fighting Spider-Man and being prepared to kill him. Then the Prowler was stopped by Kingpin, turned around, and tried to kill Miles himself.
Later, we learn that Aaron knew the person he was hunting was a kid and was still willing to kill him because Kingpin wanted it.
Whatever other things Aaron may have done as the Prowler, that should have been enough to make him an unforgivable monster from Miles’ perspective.
But what does Miles do when Aaron is dying?
He doesn’t ask, “Why did you do this?”
He says:
“This is my fault.”
Miles is more consumed by his own perceived failure than by condemning Aaron for what he did.
You could argue that’s simply the trauma of the moment, but Across the Spider-Verse gives us more evidence that this wasn’t just temporary. Miles still misses his uncle. He acknowledges that Aaron was the Prowler, but he doesn’t reduce him to the things he did.
And by the end of Across, when Miles meets Earth-42 Aaron, he tells him that he knew his uncle wanted to be good — he just thought he didn’t have a choice. (Kinda like Gwen right?)

That’s an incredibly important detail about Miles.
Miles naturally looks for the person underneath the mistake. That’s also why Peter B. Parker could recognize almost immediately that Miles was different. Peter didn’t want Miles to become Spider-Man because he understood what being Spider-Man costs. He wasn’t trying to belittle Miles. He was essentially trying to save him:
“Go back to being a regular kid.”

Miles’ first instinct isn’t revenge.
He doesn’t even respond to Uncle Aaron’s death by deciding he needs to kill Kingpin. He wants to stop him and bring him to justice.
And considering everything Miles goes through, I wouldn’t be surprised if some part of him still wondered whether he could have reached Aaron sooner, or whether he could have done something differently.

So when people say, “There’s no way Miles could possibly forgive Gwen,” I think they’re underestimating how radically empathetic this kid actually is.
That doesn’t mean Miles should instantly forgive her.
It doesn’t mean Gwen shouldn’t have to confront what she did.
And it definitely doesn’t mean Miles shouldn’t be angry, hurt, or disappointed.
He should be.
But there’s a difference between “Miles is deeply hurt by Gwen” and “Miles becomes emotionally incapable of listening to Gwen.”
The latter doesn’t really fit the character we’ve spent two movies watching.
Miles has repeatedly shown that when someone he loves does something terrible, he doesn’t immediately ask whether they’re worthy of forgiveness.
He asks why.
Why did Aaron become the Prowler?
Why did Gwen keep this from him?
Why did Miguel believe Miles had to lose his father?
Why does everyone keep telling him that he has no choice?
That’s one of the defining characteristics of Miles: he sees the person before he sees the label.
So I think the most Miles-like resolution isn’t him immediately saying, “It’s okay, Gwen.”
It’s Miles listening.
Let Gwen explain herself.
Let him be angry.
Let him tell her exactly how badly she hurt him.
Let Gwen take responsibility without making excuses.
And then let Miles make his own decision about what their relationship becomes.
Because that’s actually consistent with the larger theme of his character.
Everyone keeps telling Miles what he has to do.
Miguel tells him he has to accept canon.
The Spider Society tells him he has to let his father die.
The Spot becomes obsessed with a future he believes has to happen.
Miles’ entire journey is about refusing to let inevitability make his choices for him.
So I don’t think Miles forgiving Gwen would undermine his character.
If anything, choosing whether to forgive her for himself — rather than because the story says he has to — would be one of the most Miles Morales things he could possibly do.
Forgiveness doesn’t erase consequences.
Understanding someone doesn’t excuse what they did.
And loving someone doesn’t mean pretending they didn’t hurt you.
Miles can hold all three truths at once.
That’s what makes him Miles.

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Just look at this

He is hiding something at minimum using miles as a scapegoat and may be working with multiple people to do it both in and outside the spider society

He continues to blame everyone for everything. Miles was first and Gwen was next. It’s worse for miles as his “original anomaly” counterpart,and I think who that title really belongs to will be what is revealed outside of whether or not the canon is real

Kingpin was already a pretty good villain in the first spider-verse film but once you watch ATSV, you start to realize that he’s the cause of everything that happens both in the first film and second film.

I’ll do this in bullet points but basically his actions caused

All the spider-people from multiple dimensions later found out there was a spider-verse, including Miguel, all thanks to the activation of the collider
A test run caused a radioactive spider to be in Miles’ dimension in which that spider was supposed to bite Earth 42 miles. Because it bit Miles instead, Earth 42 is an apocalypse because there’s no Spider-Man
Johnathan Ohnn became The Spot
There’s so much more but those are the main reasons. All of this happened because he wanted to see his family again. Holy fuck

Topic is currently on the trending page of Twitter and it's only gotten more heated ever since the leaked trailer. Snipped the last part of the description just to avoid any spoilers.

I wasn't around in 2023 to witness the discourse, can't imagine how bad it must've been 😭

Juz askin(image unrelated)

"Spider-Man: Beyond the Spider-Verse" concept track that I made!

(NO AI! THIS IS 100% MADE BY ME AND ALL ORIGINAL! 😄 )

PREMISE FOR THE SONG:

So imagine this...

START SCENE (about 1:32:00 into the film maybe?)

Miles Morales gets back from the other dimension after defeating The Spot and The Prowler from Earth-42, essentially saving the multiverse, and most importantly, his home.
It was a solo mission over there, so he's excited to get back and see everybody he loves again: his parents, his friends, and Gwen Stacy, his love interest.

Everything goes fine, greets his parents again, greets his friends again, and then finally he swings across the city to go see Gwen Stacy.

But when he gets there, she's just standing there staring at him with tears in her eyes, and not because she's excited to see him.

"How could you keep this from me..." she says.

Miles looks shocked.

She reveals that Miles kept a HUGE secret from her that affected her life so drastically that she doesn't even know who she is anymore.

"I loved you with all my heart. But I can't love someone that would keep something so big from me, even if you were trying to protect me."

"We're through. Goodbye, Miles." she says.

And she uses her watch to travel to another dimension/universe/world.

Miles is just standing there, frozen.
Literally in shock.
Then, the scene cuts to him walking through the city while it's pouring rain outside, grey skies. Miles has his hoodie on, looking down at the ground, eyes almost all the way closed, rain falling off of him...
And then this song starts playing as the depressive scene continues.
Longing for Gwen to remember how important she was to him, and how sorry he is for what he did to her...
(Maybe he jumps backwards off a building and starts swinging through the city to blow off some steam as well in the scene, idk)

END SCENE

I would probably title the song "Remember When" (or possibly "Remember 'Wen" as a play on words with Gwen and when idk)

But yeah, I just thought I could still have a chance to share this because the movie doesn't come out for like a year!
Also: If anyone knows anyone related to/working on the upcoming Beyond the Spider-Verse movie, if you wouldn't mind sharing this with them that would be amazing!

I was under the impression that Jeff Morales changed his last name from Jeff Davis after he became a cop to distance himself from his past and take his wife's name, but I saw this while rewatching Into the Spider-Verse and Across the Spider-Verse back-to-back.

He had the 'Davis' badge on his uniform in Into the Spider-Verse but in Across the Spider-Verse his badge says 'Morales', and he is addressed as such by everyone in the latter film. So why did he change his last name in between both movies? Would it be that he changed it a bit before his promotion, because he was expecting it and wanted a fresh start?

I was rewatching Across the Spiderverse and came across the scene of Gwen's dad choosing to quit the police force after she revealed that she was Spider woman. Whats interesting about this scene is that Gwen realizes that she was able to influence the "cannon" of her world through her actions and thus her father wouldn't have to succumb to the same fate as Mile's father supposedly will. As far as we know Gwen has no other police officer that shes close to so chances are "Event ASM-90" was going to happen to her dad. Being able to essentially alter the fate of his universe by choosing to trust her dad and revealing her identity has broader implications as to how the canon actually works

What we've been told by Miguels explanation of the cannon is that every major event in a Spidermans life is already predetermined. Any deviation from that will instantly begin that universes destruction as we see with Pavitars dimension after Miles saves Inspector Singh. However, in this world Pavitar is still choosing to keep his identity hidden. When Miguel causes the destruction of a whole universe, we could assume he also chose to not only hide his identity as spiderman but also his real other identity as a copy of a that universes Miguel. Whats different about Gwens circumstances is that she chose to trust her father and even if he initially planned on arresting her he chose to be by her side instead

Miles needs to have that same difficult conversation with his parents. Im not sure what their responses would be but everything indicates that they would eventually be supportive of their son and they would choose different actions then the ones that lead them to experience the terrible things that happen to Spiderman because of the cannon. It aligns with one of the main themes of this Spiderman story which is that Spiderman doesn't have to carry the burden by himself. Sure, he puts his loved ones in danger but that is a responsibility that people in his life are willing to shoulder because of their close relationships with Peter(using peter as a placeholder for any spider-person). Its also supported by the fact that we know that a team of Spiderman will be having Mile's back in the upcoming movie. Miguel serves as a good anthesis to this by carrying on this ideology that the responsibility of being Spiderman requires you to isolate yourself from people in order to carry on the responsibility that comes with the mask without hurting anyone else. The ironic part about that way of thinking is that you cannot have Spiderman without those close relationships that have a lasting impression on Peter Parker. After all, the whole Spiderman persona begins with Uncle Bens quote.

In short, by choosing to trust in people that are closest to him I think Miles is able to influence the canon to his benefit. Now how are they going to deal with Spot? Honestly no idea but I think my theory will tie in thematically with whatever solution they come up with.

made this in anticipation for beyond the spider-verse! took me around 2.5 weeks i think

Anyone else find it dumb/annoying that Miguel tries to force these so-called "Canon events" onto Miles Morales while still berating him by saying that he's not canon and not supposed to be a Spider-Man in the first place?

Like if he is not supposed to be Spider-Man and the Peter Parker of his world has already fulfilled all the Canon events then why does smiles also have to go through the same stuff? It just doesn't make any sense is he cannon or not?

Edit: just a little bit I forgot to add in but this is either foreshadowing or a massive plot hole. Either way, Miguel is wrong in some way or another when it comes to miles and maybe preventing his father from dying won't actually do anything.

Also another note: when Gwen says she's scared about falling in love because “in every other universe, Gwen Stacy falls for Spider-Man. And in every other universe, it doesn't end well". Hasn't she already fulfilled her Canon event of the "first lover dieing" because she and her peter parker had swapped places in her canon causing him to be "Emma Stoned" instead?

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Made this long ago so thought to share, how is it?