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Will Miles and Gwen pay any price?

Will Miles and Gwen pay any price?

Am 100% sure that Miles and Gwen will just get away with everything and Miguel will be labeled a crazy villian from movie only watchers from now on, unable to be used in comics or games from then on without the BTSV gang slandering him despite being a great hero.

Is Gwen paying any price for forgetting about her mission to supervise and Capture spot instead of going to visit Miles and making the new police chief die in her father's place?

Is Miles going to pay for trying to destroy his universe to save his dad, attacking spider-society and almost dooming Spider-India?

Pretty sure that theyll just have Crowler Miles be a hero rsther than a villian/assassin for hire like his uncle too.

u/victoriamikoto231 — 1 day ago
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Cute little interaction between Hobie and my Spidersona! ♡

Scarlett (my Spidersona) really loves all kinds of animals and bugs. Hobie always says he doesn’t believe in being scared, but the second Scarlett brings some weird bug way too close to his face, he flinches.

This is my first time making an animation, please be nice :')

u/lynxyxx — 2 days ago

Is anyone else realizing that Miles Morales isn't a mistake? He’s literally the cure for the stagnant 'Canon Script'.

With Beyond the Spider-Verse on the horizon, one question keeps sticking with me: Is Miguel O’Hara actually right? Is Miles just an anomaly - a mistake destined to break the universe just for trying to save the people he loves?

Or is he something more? An extension of destiny & fate? A long-term cure.

Here is why this theory makes perfect thematic sense for how the trilogy will conclude:

1. The Flaw in the Original "Cosmic Script"

If you look closely at the Spider-Society, the original cosmic script wasn't perfect - it was stagnant. Every Spider-Man was trapped in an infinite loop of repeating the exact same tragedies: lose an uncle, lose a captain, suffer alone, repeat.

By having a chaotic accident (the Alchemax collider) break that loop, the universe introduced a much needed "evolution" - Miles Morales.

  • The Short-Term Pain: Peter Parker (1610) died, Earth-42 fell into chaos, and Miles was branded a cosmic glitch.
  • The Long-Term Cure: Miles brings something to the multiverse that no other Spider-Man possesses - absolute defiance against the tragedy machine.

Poetically, the system needed an outsider, someone not bound by the original code - to break the cycle of endless suffering and save them all from their rigid destinies.

2. Miles as the "Universal Glue"

Think about what Miles has achieved precisely because he wasn’t part of the rigid script. He didn't just become a hero; he became a catalyst for everyone else’s healing:

  • He saved Peter B. Parker: Peter B. was a depressed, broken hero who had given up on life and family. Meeting Miles reminded him of why he wore the mask, prompting him to reconcile with Mary Jane and have his daughter, Mayday.
  • He gave Gwen a real purpose: Gwen was completely isolated, misunderstood by her father, and drifting aimlessly until her bond with Miles gave her a reason to keep fighting.

If everything was just a random mistake caused by The Spot, these profound, soul-saving connections wouldn't feel so deeply meaningful. The writers are portraying a universe that wants Miles to succeed because he fixes the broken hearts of the "canon" heroes.

3. The Proof is Already in ATSV

The writers heavily hint at this because characters like Gwen and Peter B. clearly have a subconscious realization that Miles is unique. We see the receipts in Across the Spider-Verse:

  • Gwen’s Realization: While the Spider-Society is actively hunting Miles, she tells Jessica Drew, "I have a feeling in my heart that Miles might be right." Later, she completely rejects the canon by declaring, "With Miles... it is all possible."
  • Peter B.'s Growth: He explicitly states that Miles is the reason he has his daughter. He narrates how beautiful things can grow out of painful "anomalies"—Miles happened, and because of that, Mayday happened.

4. The Ultimate Resolution: A New Accord with Destiny

The trilogy will likely reveal that Miguel's version of the "Canon" is a fragile, fear-based illusion. The true, higher destiny of the multiverse isn't that Spider-Man must always suffer; it's that Spider-Man must always inspire hope.

When Miles inevitably figures out a way to save his father and stabilize the multiverse, it won't just be a victory over The Spot or Miguel. It will be the moment the cosmic script itself updates. The universe will accept Miles not as a mistake, but as the evolution of what Spider-Man was always meant to be.

The painful chapter of the collider accident wasn't the end of the old world—it was the birth pains of a better, freer multiverse.

 

 

Can't wait for Beyond the Spider-Verse! 🤞

 

 

THANK YOU FOR READING. Love to hear your thoughts!

u/ExplorerAlarming9145 — 3 days ago

Poking a hole the Canon Event BS with the Bite.

So...Miguel's whole thing is that Canon Events are immutable. They are events that HAVE TO HAPPEN. No excuses. No exceptions. Events like an Uncle Ben death to learn responsibility, a police Captain also dies for the lesson of not able to save everyone. Because that's what defines Spider-Man.

So...I ask: Why is Spider-Gwen not an anomaly? Why is half of the Spider-verse even here? And really the big one: Why is the Spider Bite...not canon?

Keep in mind Ghost-Spider/Spider-Gwen's origin asks the question: WHAT IF the Spider had bit Gwen Stacy instead of Peter. Which is also the origins of multiple Spider-sonas.

"Oh but it does happen. & obviously not all events have to match. Not everything is a Canon Event." You're telling that the Spider bite gets a free pass? It's only the ORIGINS of the character. One would think that if any event was required to play out exactly as it should, it should be getting bitten. It should always be Peter. But it isn't. What you're gonna tell me it's the events that matters not the people who are involved? What sense does that make? If the person doesn't matter it why is Miles an Anomaly then? Why does the multiverse allow variants if it has to follow a certain set of events or it break? Seems pretty convenient that the details suddenly do & don't matter to some oddly specific things.

Checkmate Miguel.

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u/Material_Resort_9855 — 2 days ago

[Repost] [@legomovies64] - Remade one of the promo shots from BTSV!

This shot really stood out to me, and it has potential to become my favorite in the franchise!

u/legomovies64 — 3 days ago

Hobie Brown in Tomodachi Life

Made Hobie Brown in the Living the Dream demo a while ago, any other Tomodachi Life fans in this fandom?

u/legomovies64 — 3 days ago

[OC] Made concept fanart for Spot's "arachnid-style form" in described BTSV cinemacon footage

I'm honestly quite surprised no one's talking about this more, it sounds pretty insane to think about lol

u/TheNanoDilla_Mk02 — 4 days ago

Shameik Moore confirmed that this image was his first time meeting Oscar Isaac. And that they had a great session together. What Miles and Miguel scene do you guys think they recorded?

u/Overall_Principle955 — 5 days ago

How Does Miles (END OF ITSV} run on walls?

Hear me out, Miles is wearing SHOES (specificly those thick ass jordans, and its conformed he's not just sticky, he has SPIKES ON HIS FEET (toby maguire spiderman movies) So, if he's wearing shoes, than he shouldnt be able to run on walls or use his feet to climb,

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u/Wild_Beat_3681 — 4 days ago

Why does Spiderverse disregards Earth 616 and the world building of the comics

I love these movies, but more and more I think of how the comics existing in their multiverse breaks their world building.

"In every universe Gwen Stacy falls for Spider-Man and in every universe, it doesn't end well...."
"well...there's a first time for everything right?"

In the original ultimate universe Gwen survives. Yes she experienced a lot of hardship, but she came out the other side. It’s not black and white like ATSV makes it. The films rules read black and white with the structure of canon events, which is reinforced specifically about character deaths and Gwen in the scene with Gayatri in, and is brought to our attention from the first act of the film with the above quote that’s been irking me.

My other issue is the idea that there’s only one Spider-Man per universe. That Miles in ITSV being bit by earth 42’s spider means that earth has no Spider-Man. As a long time comic reader and someone who grew up reading Miles’ comics in particular I just can’t believe that. The main 616 comic universe has a dozen Spiders. ATSV seems to make a point of putting Easter eggs to as many Spider-Man adaptations as possible but not acknowledging the comics.

This obviously isn’t a major issue to the films. I just have to not think about the comic books while watching. There’s even more that has to be not thought about if I keep going too like the web of life, and Anansi but we’d be here all day. Now this all could be addressed in the final movie but I don’t think that’d help the films impact. More than likely this film just needs to be viewed as separate from the comics. I just hope they don’t try to bring its rules into the comics because they just don’t work there.

The answer to the question of my title is obviously that they had a unique POV and story to tell which needs its own rules to work. The second films use of cameos instead of distinct inspired by characters like in the first film hurts the immersion in this distinct world and world building for me though.

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u/Lorelie-5641 — 5 days ago