Hi everyone so a few days ago I did a meditation
And in my meditation I started to walk past a orange and apple tree then I started to go up a hill when I got on top of the hill I looked up and I saw Lilith frying down then she looked at me and gave a hug I could feel her wings they were soft and warm and I could feel her energy and she started to talk to me.
And I really do believe it was her but there’s a small part of my brain that thinks it’s my imagination.
What do you guys think?

I'm just curious.

What made this path appealing to you? Was it the beliefs, lilith herself, etc?

Hi!

I'm hoping this sort of post is acceptable here, as I'm looking for genuine discussion with people traversing a remotely similar path/terrain to me (which, as I imagine I'm not alone on this, is pretty rare in my immediate geographical community; West Midlands UK, in my case).

Brought up in an almost entirely irreligious/vaguely humanistic atheist type family. I've always been more of a strong/steadfast agnostic and never quite shared the humanistic-facing, 'convenient' dismissiveness of the religious/metaphysical question of most of my family, while also never feeling remotely like the Abrahamic religions of 'love and light Oneness' type approaches to spirituality are for me, most critically as a physically Disabled person and fulltime wheelchair-user, as they require a form of submission and what reads to me as uncritical acceptance of terms, pre-emptive reassurance that reads to me often as cope, hindering of autonomy and self-reliance(including spiritually), inability to engage suffering, strain, refusal with the seriousness I feel these require. I've been drawn to Satan and demonic entities as archetypes all through my love. But it's in the last year that, while I haven't 'ceased to be agnostic' in a straight-forward sense, I'm drawn to engaging a directly spiritual adverserial path with intentionality, often on the terrain of shadow work and thinking about how to integrate, interface and with such adverserial figures - foregrounding Satan bot also pronounced focus on adverserial feminine figures like Lilith, Astaroth - specifically regarding embodied experience as a Disabled person. I'm very happy with my path being uniquely mine and travelled in solitude in most respects - which I feel is a prerequesite for anyone wanting to travel the LHP - but I've struggled so far to find people to even 'bounce ideas off' with, and so chose to post to this group on the off chance that anyone might resonate and be interested in discussingany of this further?

Is working with Her and/or worshipping her necessarily a lhp devotion? Though I’m not interested in demonolatry, I feel drawn to Her, and am trying to understand Her better through the book She of The Night. I’ve heard that she’s fundamentally demonic, but this book conflates her with the “Darkness upon the face of the Deep” in Genesis, as well as with Tiâmat.
If working with/worshipping Her is inherently lhp/demonic, what will happen after death? I’m recently ex-Christian, so I know at least a tad of that is bleeding through in this question, but will I be allowed in the Field of Rushes/paradise/granted an ok reincarnation? Any guidance, input, and resources are incredibly appreciated, especially as these questions are probably very silly to more experienced folk.

Edit:
I know these are dumb questions. I know this post is longer than it probably needs to be. I’m new to this, I’m unexperienced. Clear, practicable guidance is what I need. “Read ___” “Meditate like____”, anything to get me out of inactive cluelessness

I am a pagan who doesn't really believe in the abrahamic stuff. But the abrahamic Lilith, to me is more interesting.

The pagan Lilith aka Lamashtu is okay, but since there is so little info about her, there's little to find interesting about her. All we have is her seven names, her aspects as a demon goddess, and what she looks like.

But on the other side, the abrahamic side, she has a LOT of cool stuff. From art, to stories, to myths, to synchronizations with past entities including Lamashtu and Lamia, etc.

It's weird, i just feel more drawn to her abrahamic counterpart than her original pagan side, as a pagan myself

At some times in my life i couldnt put her out of my mind, and these were the times i could ‘succesfully’ meditate on her. Nowadays i cant meditate anymore, Lilith is allmost unreachable for me.

I dont know how to do rituals to her, and in the past i think i disrespected Lilith but i was not punished?

has anyone ever experienced like heightened empathy after meditation? i had a long mediation session today trying to connect with lilith. i think i fell asleep during it, because i was at such peace. later, i was watching tik toks and came across a sad tik tok of a cat passing. i have seen plenty sad tik toks of animals passing but they had never made me cry until today. i felt so empathetic. i had a huge breakdown thinking about how i lost my cat and so many different things i had experienced in my life that ive kinda kept bottled up i guess. i felt like it was all just bursting out of me. I’ve never been the type of person to be emotional or just cry randomly. has anyone had a similar experience?

Hi ,

I’m a complete beginner. I’m really interested in Lilith and want to try connecting with her or one of her succubi for sexual experiences — strong sensations at night, pleasurable visits, wet dreams, etc.

Any simple and safe ritual or advice for a total newbie?

So I am starting to work with Lilith. I have had a connection on and off with her for many years; my earliest experience of her was when I was 7 or 8 years old. I never actually began to pray to her until now. Yesterday I ordered some candles and an altar cloth, along with a statue and a ritual bowl and I’m planning on making a portable altar in the back of my car.

Tonight I was meditating in my bedroom, had a YouTube video meditation thing going on. As I listened to the enn chanting I felt an energy unlike anything I’ve felt before. It was RAW feminine rage! Mind you I’m a guy, so it wasn’t coming from me. I just felt this enormous energy full of hate and anger towards all the men who’ve abused and mistreated women. Especially towards those who’ve SA women and girls. This energy/force filled me with rage and when it was over I was breathing heavy.

HOLY SHIT was it intense! I’m assuming this was her? I mean it’s pretty obvious it was Lilith, it’s got to be. I mean I’ve had rageful moments like this before and yea it’s possible that I was just making it up in my head but the things I felt I wanted to do to these people were FUCKED UP. And it was a distinctly female energy. It felt powerful and terrifying. The best way I could describe it was like a red flame with enormous black raven like wings.

Has anyone had a similar experience? I’m always second guessing myself, even when I have religious experiences. I’m very much a “doubting Thomas”. I need concrete signs to verify stuff. I’m pretty sure this was her, but I can’t be sure cause this also matches up with what I imagine her to be like. I’ve also had smaller experiences with her being more seductive and devious(?) towards me. It’s hard to know what’s in my head and what’s not. Although I have found that since I’ve started doing shadow work I’ve began to remember previous memories and when I was younger I had vivid dreams and talked to entities in my head.

Sorry if this is a lot, I’m just trying to get a lot of this off my chest and out of my head onto paper(or digital paper I guess lol). What do you guys think?

Lamashtu Neo-Assyrian stone amulet, 800BC-550 BCE

Lamaštu, the Daughter of Anu, is the Akkadian equivalent of Sumerian Kamadme. Lamaštu syncretised with the plural lilû/lilītu/ardat-lilî ghosts is what resulted in the figure of Lilith, who herself has been mostly plural, sometimes dual and singular. But is Lamaštu herself singular? 

Even though little is known about Kamadme from Sumer, what we do know is that Lamaštu was first the "seven Kamadme damsels" and later on the leading goddess of a triad, along with dìm.me.A/Labāṣu and dìm.me.ḪAB/Aḫḫāzu, before developing individuality. She appears in incantations as the "seven evil-lamaštu demons", and is herself a "type" of demon, since additions to the name Kamadme result in other demons (apart from Labāṣu and Aḫḫāzu, also Bibītu and Lilītu). The seven Kamadme survive as Lamaštu's seven names.

So Lamaštu, while usually thought of as a singular being, has herself some inconsistencies and displays plurality that reflects the later child-killing demons of the ancient Mediterranean and Near East.

The below text is mostly referenced, as usually, from Wiggermann, a big part of it is providing the resources that he cites in footnote [45]. Keep in mind that Kamadme was previously thought to be read as "Dimme".

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Seven Lamaštu:

Lamaštu, An Edition of the Canonical Series of Lamashtu Incantations - Walter Farber:

Already in Sumerian texts from the 3rd millennium b.c., a female spirit named Dimme was mentioned as one of a group of seven similar demons, without specific individual traits or features. In Sumerian and bilingual texts of a later date, she became the leading lady in a triad with two other demons whose Sumerian names shared the element *dimme (^(d)dìm.me.A and ^(d)dìm.me.ḪAB) with hers. In the Akkadian versions of these texts, ^(d)dìm.me is called Lamaštu, which sounds like an Akkadian name but is still of unclear etymology; the other two were known under the names of Labāṣu and Aḫḫāzu. Only in the 2nd millennium, and probably under the influence of the Semitic speakers of Akkadian, did Lamaštu gain in individuality and swiftly become the most well-known of all Mesopotamian demons.

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Birth in Babylonia and the Bible - M. Stol, "Lamaštu, Daughter of Anu - F.A.M. Wiggermann":

That these texts stem from an oral rather than a written tradition is shown by the many minor variations between essentially identical texts. Dimme occurs in Sumerian incantations of the late third millennium, but the contexts are fairly unspecific, [5] and do not allow a reconstruction of her early history.

• [5] 5N-T 42:9 ki-sikil dìm-me imin-na (unpub.), "the seven Dimme damsels";
• HS 1552:2 dìm gig-dè èš ba-an-dib lú ì-tag (unpub., ref. courtesy M.J. Geller), "Dimme, in order to cause illness, passed through the house and touched the person";
• HS 1600 i 7 dìm a-dingir-re-ne-kam lú ì-ùr-ùr-e (unpub., ref. courtesy M.J. Geller). "Dimme, who is the offspring of gods. sweeps over the person".
• In UHF, an OB series of third millennium descent, Dimme occurs in lists besides Dimme-a and Dimme-LAGAB (Geller, FAOS 12 152).

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[...] Although the evidence for the third millennium history of Lamaštu is limited, there are clear indications that in origin she was not the individual mythological figure of later tradition. In the Ur III period her Sumerian name, Dimme, is not spelled with the divine determinative, even though she is called the "offspring of gods". A text of the same period reveals the early existence of the "seven Dimme damsels" (note 5), a feature which persists through time [45], and adheres to the individualized Lamaštu in the form of her seven names. Other early demons, specifically the udug and the asag, usually operate in vaguely defined groups of seven, and the Dimme damsels probably are just such a group, from which the later individual Dimme was singled out.

[45] In CT 16 13 iii 2lf. (UH V) the "seven evil Dimme/Lamaštu" (between other groups of sevenfold demons) are followed by a reference to the "seven heavens and seven earths", which recur in an incantation against Lamaštu (and other sevenfold demons).

• Mesopotamian Cosmic Geography - Wayne Horowitz

CT 16 13 iii 13-14 iii 28

• 13. Seven gods of the broad heavens.
• 15. Seven gods of the broad land.
• 17. Seven robber gods.
• 18. Seven gods, all,
• 19. Seven evil gods.
• 21. Seven evil lamaštu-demons.
• 23. Seven evil infectious lamaštu-demons.
• 25. Heaven seven, earth seven.
• 26. [Akkadian] In heaven seven, in earth seven.
• 27. O evil demon, evil devil, evil ghost, evil ghoul, evil god, evil prowler;
• 28. be exorcised by heaven, be exorcised by earth.

Also translated in:

• Healing Magic and Evil Demons, Canonical Udug-hul Incantations - Markham J. Geller

Udug-hul Tablet 5

• 85 They are the seven marauding gods,
• 86 seven gods in all,
• 87 seven evil gods,
• 88 seven evil Lamaštu
• 89 seven Labaṣu and li'ibu-disease demons,
• 90 seven in Heaven and seven in the Netherworld.

[45] Her activities can be described as sevenfold (BIN 2 72:9, OB), as well as the measures taken against her (BM 120022:32f., SBTU 3 84:37ff.. OB and SB).

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Lamaštu as Type:

Birth in Babylonia and the Bible - M. Stol, "Lamaštu, Daughter of Anu - F.A.M. Wiggermann":

[45] That the original Dimme is a type rather than an individual appears from the fact that with various additions (-a/LAGAB/tab/gi4) the names of various individual demons result (see the dictionaries for Labāṣu, Aḫḫāzu, Bibîtu, and Lilîtu).

• Note: An = Anum ša ameli includes all of the above:

153. [^(d)]RAB^(kám-me)	la-maš-tu
154. [^(d)RAB^(kám-me)].A	la-ba-ṣu
155. [^(d)RAB^(kám-me)].LAGAB	aḫ-ḫa-zu
156. ^(d)[RA]B[^(kám-m)]^(e).TAB	bi-bi-tu
157. ^(d)RAB^(kám-me).GI₆	li-li-tu

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[45] These are referred to as "all Lamaštu's" (dDIM.ME gab-bi) in a first millennium prescription (stones and plants) against various evils (CT 14 16, BM 93084).

[45] dDIM.ME becomes a noun meaning "Lamaštu-type being" when it is used in the plural (A.R. George, RA 85 [1991] 148:156b, Commentary to TDP I; see also Lambert, NABU 1992/129:1), a usage that is attested also for the names of gods.

• BABYLONIAN TEXTS FROM THE FOLIOS OF SIDNEY SMITH: Part Two: Prognostic and Diagnostic Omens, Tablet I - A. R. George
• 15b ^(d)dim.me.meš
• 15b Lamaštu demons

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Mesopotamian Incantations and Related Texts in the Schøyen Collection - Andrew R. George 

II.B.4. No. 39 (Pl. CIII)

• 5 ka-ma-ad ḫul-ḫul ḫe-m[e-en]
• 5 [or be you] evil kamad-demons

Note obv. 5. The kamad-demons are those whose names are compounded with the sign kamad (DÌM): Lamaštu, Labāṣu, Aḫḫāzu, Bibītu and Lilītu.

(This is very personal stream of consciousness praise. It may not be the usual sort of prayer, but it meant a lot to me so I figured I should post it. Maybe others will relate)

At first when I approached Lady Lilith, I approached Her as a concept. As an idea that spoke very deeply to me. I didn’t believe but I appreciated those who did, I saw their practice as beautiful and good.

Since then, as much time has passed, I have realized She speaks to me as more than a symbol, She speaks to me as a deity. An example, a leader, a Mother. She is proof to me that if anyone wants to put you in a box, you can shatter it with your own inner strength and leave that place of torment. That when you do, you’ll be able to find a new home for yourself. One of your own making, with others who understand.

Over time I have built up a small altar dedicated to her, I have made my beliefs known to those closest to me, and have felt my appreciation for her grow and grow.

I’ve not been able to communicate with her or feel her presence, but even if She does not desire to work with me directly I am more than happy to spend my days worshipping Her respectfully at a distance.

Ave Lilith

First Woman, First Questioner, and Breaker of Chains

Even tho the title says a lot I wanna exaggerate it.

I can't buy a lilith statue nor black candles, that would be sus yk, I can't even make jars.

All I can do is do paper spells and meditation, sigil work and chant listening.

I wanna work with lilith for beauty+social life+ideal bf. I'm afraid my restrictions will stop my wishes from coming true.

Help needed.

I have been in contact (set up an altar, shadow work, rituals etc) with Lilith for a year now. The past 6 months I felt closer to her than ever, most because i was in a place where I could actually focus and train my energy through meditations. She’s come to me in different forms & i’ve received the name Lamaštu & Lilitu in meditations.
I have heard others describe the experience I’m having, where I can feel that she is watching over me, but her energetic presence has diminished.

I wonder if this could have something to do with some channeling work i was planning to start doing with her on my substack, but I fell off of it. I also am doing a lot of work on being emotionally vulnerable, i’ve have had some eye opening dreams & know that she offered some pushback/consequence for something a family member tried to do.

So since her “disappearance”, i know she is still with me, but it’s been different. Like i am a child walking for the first time without mother’s hand to hold on to.

I am curious if anybody else has input on navigating through this period of “distance”?