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Doom is time-slipping and dream-walking into his own variants.
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Doom is time-slipping and dream-walking into his own variants.

That scene in the trailer in which Doom flies out of the window and does some freaky shit in the air before landing. This snapshot of it reminds me of Loki time slipping and then it occurred to me he could also be dream walking like Strange and Wanda did. He's intentionally exacerbating the incursions and accelerating the destruction.

We know there's at least a couple Doom costumes that we've seen in the trailers/F4. Whether it's one Doom doing wardrobe changes or different Dooms is unclear.

Then there's a couple more scenes in the trailer that look different with this theory in mind.

Sue Storm: "...he used to be different." - He could be changed by the events ("everything he loved was taken from him") AND he could literally be changed by a variant Doom taking over him.

Reed Richards: "Victor, did you do this?" and he looks at him with a pensive blank stare...because maybe its not even Reed's Victor and this one is looking at just another poor little Reed that doesn't understand what is going on.

A version of him could be dream walking into specific moments in time (using time slipping logic) so imagine that scene in the trailer again. Doom is booted out of the window and as he's falling, another Doom takes over, lands, and takes it from there. He can re-do every single moment in which a variant of his is losing, and do it differently. Might not even be a single Doom but a whole...council, working in tandem.

Alright now talk amongst yourselves.

EDIT: This sub sucks man. Why do you call it "The place to drop your theories about the MCU" if you all just talk shit to the person dropping their theories about the MCU.

Theory EDIT: It's been discussed in the comments but I want to add it her because it seems so obvious to me now. Doom takes over Loki's throne (not sure what Loki's fate is but I'm sure it ain't good) and has a direct view of every single multiversal timeline which is how he can see exactly which moment and where to jump into and take over. Each variant he jumps into is a sort of Doombot in that he is operating them all remotely, in a way.

u/sagan666 — 18 hours ago
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She might be coming back sooner than we thought.

This is official Avengers: Doomsday merch. Could the Children's Crusade storyline be adapted and Wanda be one of the Latverian Witches?
If VisionQuest ends with hinting that Wanda's alive, this could play directly into Secret Wars and her return.

u/cwasnothere — 20 hours ago

Magneto in Doomsday

I feel like Magneto is going to be an important character in Doomsday. Here’s a couple notes:

Sir Ian McKellen has not quite been tight lipped about his role in Doomsday in various interviews (which I’m sure has been a nightmare for Marvel PR), and seems to be teasing how Magneto will have some extraordinary power displays in the movie.

They also have not announced a new Magneto for the upcoming X-Men movie which is interesting. They also haven’t announced a Wolverine, to me that says they want to focus on these characters in the upcoming Avengers’ movies.

With the reference to Magneto destroying New Jersey, and in the trailer we see a destroyed city. So maybe Magneto may be using his powers to help Doom form BattleWorld.

He may have been tricked by Doom to help his future before realizing it’s too late.

Sir Ian McKellen will undoubtedly go down as one of the most important actors of all time, and with his career (seemingly) coming to end, I feel Marvel has an opportunity to give this amazing actor final big screen sendoff.

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u/Jumpy-Oil-1421 — 15 hours ago
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The countdown skips second "25" supposedly. Avengers 25 is...

Avengers 25 pictured in the comments. This could be an unintentional glitch, but if nit... Wow!

u/Shaunthesheep_05 — 1 day ago
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I think Marvel is playing very smart & calculative to market its 2028 slate this early, showcasing it as a continuation of the party that is Doomsday & Secret Wars and not like a beginning from scratch which threw people off after Endgame, as it felt like such a culmination.

u/ShubhangBahadur — 1 day ago
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Let’s be honest: Marvel didn’t pay RDJ top dollar just to hide his face. That Doom mask is coming off by the end of act one, and we all know it

You guys are delusional if you think the helmet stays on. They bought RDJ's face, not your comic accuracy.

u/Shaunthesheep_05 — 1 day ago

hear me out though…

if they do in fact plan on recasting ALL of the x-men, they might as well claim the last chris standing.

u/_youngemcee — 1 day ago

Thanks for your patience! Here's our breakdown of the pilot episode of LANTERNS

As I explained here, we didn't get press screeners from HBO like most of the other creators you watch did. So while everyone else's video production process could begin the week before the episode came out, our production process didn't begin until Sunday night, and it takes us at least 36 hours to make a video like this.

Lanterns is our favorite thing on TV right now, and we're still begging HBO to add us to the list now that the big twist of episode 1 is out there. But so far no response. You might just have to wait until Tuesdays for these videos.

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u/NR_Erik — 1 day ago

Genuine Question : Lanterns.

How are there multiple green lanterns on earth if they are only meant to have 1 on earth at any time.
The series, peacemaker, and the superman movie seem to imply that there are two at least on earth at the same time.

It may be a stupid question but it’s not quite clicking with me.

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u/Minimum_Radio_4033 — 1 day ago
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Doomsday "Stolen Lives" Comment makes no sense and other questions needing answers.

With the new trailer out, and Dr. Doom telling all the heroes that they have lived stolen lives really makes no sense. I've watched all the breakdowns as I'm wont to do from New Rock Stars, Screen Crush, Colton Ogburn and other things that come across my algorithm. They all point to the same thing. Due to the time travel of End Game, almost everyone is living lives they should not. Thor with his child, Steve with his child, Loki should be dead. There's more to the list. You get the point.

They all point to something that these people living caused Doom to lose his family, and he now holds all these people responsible. While this makes an intriguing bridge between the past MCU and this new team up movie...it's actually an absurd thing for Doom to be upset about. Doom should not exist. He didn't exist. When Kang was running the TVA the whole point was the 616 was the only universe that existed. And it notably did not have a Fantastic Four, and it did not have a Doom.

Doom is a stolen life at the point of Dooms Day. Dooms family are stolen lives. His outlook would entail that he should be killed. His family would need to be punished. Now you can look at this and say "He's a villain!" Sure...but that doesn't seem to be the mode the MCU is going for or what they have portrayed in the past. Thanos had a goal. I am certain we'd all agree, he would sacrafice himself for that goal. He didn't care that he was about to die right before Thor cut his head off. When the past Thanos watched that from Nebula's memory....his drive was not to go back and stop his own death, it was to make sure his goal was achieved and stuck.

Now we can say that Doom's priorities are different. In the comics I think his motivation comes from thinking he is the best to run the multiverse and the only way to save it is to destroy it and put it under his control. That may be....but that's a far cry from his stated motivation in the trailer of "You lived stolen lives, and now you must pay with them" and the logic all breakdowns are taking from it that he is correcting the multiverse from the actions of the Avengers and Xmen. He's part of the correction needed, and I don't think a "rule for thee but not for me" delusion would at all fit what they are trying to achieve with the Doom character.

I think this might be a massive misdirect from Marvel as they often do. Erik Voss from New Rock Stars has kicked around the idea, that to be honest I kind of dismissed that the universe had to self correct after the reverse dusting. That the universe randomly chose people across a multiverse to dust to correct it. Doom's family was one of those. If this was the case, then when Doom says that line "You are all living stolen lives" he's not referring to the Avengers. He's actually talking about ANYONE that survived the dusting or came back from the Hulk's snap. There were also thousands of Thano's troops that came from the past that later got dusted that adds to this calculus.

This would fit MUCH better with Doom's character. "If my family can be wiped out by anyone in the multiverse, then no one deserves to live. There is chaos when there is no control, and I'm the best qualified to control it."

This does lead to the question of the 'magic system' in the MCU. There is the multiverse, and timelines. In the TVA it's all one. But how would snaps when there is no multiverse affect multiverses that aren't allowed to exist yet. Again, looking at the TVA outside of time, this can get explained, but it's a snag.

The other thing kind of unrelated. But I think there might have been something else going on with Steve Rogers. He's never been selfish. He's never not completed a mission. And we all just accepted that he did both. We cheered it on. But it actually demolishes his character. I would love to see something that shows why that happened.

I'm sure I'm missing some things, but it's bothered me so here it is.

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u/atradayse — 1 day ago

Reed is holding the [spoiler] in the Special Look trailer when demanding Doom answer him.

This contains potential spoilers so please proceed with caution.

I just saw this post within the past hour that seems to be legitimate. https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/comments/1vrtvgb/new_look_at_iron_studios_doctor_doom_figure_for/

If you look at images 3 & 4 the device he's holding could be the "Ultimate Nullifier".

Then i went back to the trailer and noticed that Reed is holding this same device in his hand when saying "ANSWER ME VIKTOR, DID YOU DO THIS?!" around 1:11-1:12. It's a quick glimpse and not fully visible, but need a second opinion.

Wondering how this, if true, impacts the story of having a device this dangerous in the hands of Doom. Obviously, him holding the book as well is interesting here too. Wonder if that was scrubbed from the special look trailer at the beginning when he's shown sitting in his chair.

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u/sp00ked_yuh — 1 day ago
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I've Looked into Vision's Suit in the Trailer and It's Full of Easter Eggs

The suit is a collage of different things. There are Perl and x86 Assembly codes living together. The naming of the variables and the calculations make it obvious that this "program" is about quantum mechanics.

Now bear with me here because the physics of it go over my head a little bit but the basic idea is brilliant. Let me go over the lines I denoted one by one and try to explain what they are..

HAMILTONIAN

Represents the total energy of a system in quantum mechanics. Kinetic + Potential energy.

CONST ELECTRONMASS

Definition of electron mass as a constant. Interestingly, this has the symbol me_const, maybe implying "me" as a constant?

ABS(I - J) & CONST FUNCTION = MATH:ZEROS(N,...

Tridigonal test?!? I don't understand either. These lines basically are an algorithm to solve the Schrödinger equation. It apparently uses the finite-difference matrix method to calculate the state of a particle in a system.

It basically derives what discrete states a particle has in a so called potential well. When particles are in a discrete position, they are trapped in that potential well, much like Vision being trapped in his own head.

CONST SENSEOFSELF, CONST INTERNALSTATES: EIGENSYSTEM.VALUES & KINETIC MATH.MATRIX

Funny/interesting line. It declares a constant "sense of self". The other part declares a constant "internal states" and says it is equal to the eigensystem values. This part again goes to Hamiltonian part and solving the bound-state problem. An eigensystem contains eigenvalues which are the allowed energy levels in the system. A free particle has a continous spectrum but when bound in a closed system, it has those discrete values I mentioned. The eigenvalues represent those discrete values basically saying Vision's internal states are those discrete positions that are in the boxed system that is his head.

REDUCEDPLANCKCONSTANT = 1.05457180e-34

This is really interesting. Declaration of redeced planck constant as a constant. The constant 1.05457180e-34 is the 2014 definition of the value. As of 2019 it was updated to 1.054571817×10⁻³⁴.

I don't know if that is intentional but if it is, it is a genius detail. Vision was introduced in Age of Ultron which is set in 2015. The value written here is from CODATA 2014 so he would source this value from there. With CODATA 2019 it was updated tho, after Vision's death in Infinity War set in 2018. If Vision's source of this constant was never updated after Sword resurrected him, it would only make sense that he would only know this outdated information.

MY $PROB_SYNTHETICPOTENTIALENERGY

Seems like Perl syntax. It might be trying to figure out what the synthetic potential energery of the system or its probability. I'm not sure how it ties together and I don't exactly know what "synthetic" means here but in the context of the show it might just be referring to the synthetic world he created for himself.

0x20, 0x49, 0x3F, 0x00

This is neat. These are hexadecimal numbers. When interpreted as raw text it comes out as "[Space] I?". It starts with a space character and ends with 0x00 (NULL). NULL terminator is often used to denote the end of a string of characters. I can't make out what is before those but I'm guessing it could decode to something like "Who am I?".

ABS($QUBIT->[0]), ($QUBIT->[0] + $QUBIT->[1]) & PRINT $SQRT_INV = ($QUBIT->[0])

Again, looks like Perl syntax. This seems like it is something different from the Schrödinger equation but it is still quantum related. As far as I can tell, this is related to a Hadamard Gate, especially the $SQRT_INV part. It takes the inverse square root of some state to derive a new state. It is used in quantum computing to take something definite and make it undecided or vice versa. Basically turns concrete values to quantum-ish values or quantum-ish ones to concrete values.

I kind of see it like the door between real world and the Vision's own world.

TEXT; GLOBAL _START,

This seems like x86 Assembly code. There are other references like SECTIONs as well. Perl and Assembly syntax, together like this does not make too much sense to me. It might be to show 2 incompatible things coexisting like Vision and Ultron living together.

Again, my understanding of the physics of this is not great. If any of you guys know quantum stuff, feel free to correct me or join the discussion.

u/can_pacis — 2 days ago

I’m a big fan of Brian and Berg on the Breakroom.

They slay. Was also fun when Berg’s daughter guest starred! Seems like they have a really tight bond.

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u/AnyEverywhere8 — 1 day ago
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Theory: Loki is paving the way for Doom

Title. Just like with He Who Remains, we will meet our Loki presumably after eons of holding the time throne. At some point Loki realized the current structure he’s maintaining still suppresses or erases large-scale mutant existence across most of time.

He engineers one specific confrontation with Doom (who is the only other being strong enough to allow mutants) knowing Doom will seize the position. I believe this was our Loki’s only option just like with He Who Remains. Loki steps aside or lets himself be overwritten so a new order can form; one that includes mutants as a permanent feature.

That’s my theory, I’ll be back in four months.

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u/aseaofsins — 2 days ago

Vision Quest

Did anyone notice that this image in the vision quest trailer breakdown was theorised as a part of the series yet to come when it’s a screen snippet from Captain America Civil War when Wanda uses her magic to push vision through the layers of the avengers compound to escape with Clint (Hawkeye)

So technically he is correct as it is wandas magic but it’s just a history of vision like where it is connected with other critical moments of visions life

u/CJ220900 — 2 days ago

MCU Anchor Beings

Do you guys think Anchor Beings will be a major part of Doomsday?

I find it kind of weird that Deadpool and Wolverine set them up as this big thing, yet we really haven't gotten anything else in regards to Anchor Beings. Kinda makes me wonder if the MCU ever actually planned anything for them.

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Doomsday Theory

While rewatching the second trailer, I thought about Doom saying "You have all lived stolen lives" and I think I might have an interesting theory.

I think Doom is envious of the lives that the others have lived. A sense of jealousy, anger, and longing. We know that Doom had a wife and child only to lose them.

When he mentions them living "Stolen Lives", we see Johnny and Franklin, Charles, Magento, Steve and his son, Thor and his daughter, Loki, Shuri, and Cyclops. What if the "Stolen lives" line is referring to them living lives they're not supposed to.

In Loki season 1, Renslayer says that Loki wasn't supposed to escape the way he did in "Endgame".

Maybe Steve wasn't supposed to stay in the past with Peggy.

Or that Shuri wasn't supposed to become the Black Panther, because they had to change the the second movie due to Chadwick Boseman's passing.

Maybr Thor wasn't supposed to have a daughter.

In "Fantastic Four First Steps" Sue died after beating Galactus, only to be brought back by Franklin.

The X-Men might be harder since the Fox universe is already messy in it's timelines. But maybe "Days of Future Past" wasn't supposed to happen. Maybe they weren't meant to change the timeline.

What I'm saying is that all the characters shown during the "Stolen Lives" moment had their fates changed. Maybe Doom comes to this realization, thinking to himself "Why? Why do they get their happy endings, when mine was taken away? Why do they get second chances?"

So maybe in his mind, he's trying to set things right.

I would like to hear your thoughts on this theory in a future video.

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