r/NonDessKnightSquad

I’m just gonna be honest I hate every popular knight motivation idea.

The knight wants to find the Dess.
No, they don’t. How does killing Tenna and summoning a Titan help with that at all.

The knight wants to cause the roaring so they can do X.
No, they don’t. If they wanted to do the roaring, they would just stab the ground a handful of times and be done with it.

They’re just following the prophecy.
No, they aren’t. Half the things they’re doing aren’t in the prophecy.

They’re training up the heroes so the heroes are strong enough to Y in chapter 7.
No, they aren’t. If they wanted to train the heroes why not just train the heroes?

They just wanna cause destruction.
No they don’t. If they just want to cause destruction, they would’ve killed the fun gang, Toriel, and Undyne at the end of chapter 3.

So what’s your motivation for the knight and their evil groupchat? So much.

This time, the question is, "Where will it Take Place?"

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As an undercover Dess Knighter who thinks it's tematically fitting, Is there Any evidence as of Chapter 4 for Dess? The whole fandom can't be that dumb right?

Just a quick theory at 3am, probably easily debunkable

Couldn't the roaring knight be a "device" made by gaster?

More specifically, a device used by a monster (instead of an armor) like the orb in the middle of the knight (they even use it to travel faster)

In undertale, we see that gaster is trying to create synthetic souls/determination to break the barrier, a study continued by alphys

In deltarune, the "survey" could just be gaster testing the device, which could either be the synthetic soul itself, or a lure for a real one.

As for the knight's identity, i'd say it would make it more likely for it to be:

- gaster: controlling the device from the shelter

- vessel: taking the synthetic soul as their own

- goners: maybe if they're turned into servants? Idk about this one tbh

PS: i know there's some people that believe ut and dt are unreleated, but afaik it's never denied that they're connected in some way

If you think about it more and more it would make more sense, but basically the Christmas tree symbol on the Shelter represent Dess not Carol. How I think this well connected the signs. Dess is missing and Undyne was dragged into the shelter making her also missing.

If this is true does it disconfirm most of the Holiday Knights because why would they do this. Well technically yes. Now will this happen in the game possibly you never know.

Strengths:

1. Body shape and ribcage.

2. Gaster connections.

3. Has the opportunity to be at every fountain with no little complications.

4. You Know What This Is

5. Cocky.

Weaknesses:

1. Wouldn't know Gerson.

2. Pretty detached from a lot of hometown.

3. Only recently moved in.

4. Presented as a character opposed to heavy violence.

I have been thinking and I honestly don’t like the existing theories for the Roaring Knight’s identity, first and foremost they all have plot holes, here are reasons why they don’t work: any theory for it being a Holiday doesn’t work because first of all you can’t fit the helmet on any of them (the antlers make putting on a helmet with antlers or any other shaped horn space in it impossible), and for the Dreemurrs well Asriel is at college, we see Kris and the Knight literally right next to each other, and of course Asgore would not cause an apocalyptic event because that will endanger his family, Father Alvin also cannot be the Knight because like each previously mentioned candidate his body type doesn’t work and also because he wouldn’t endanger the whole world, and even though Papyrus has a good body type to be the Knight he lacks any motivation or the evil that the Knight has, if anything Papyrus would hug a Titan. And no one benefits from the Roaring besides the Titans so that’s where my theory comes into play: What if the Knight is a being of pure darkness like a Titan that had absorbed a SOUL. After all its application that makes a Human SOUL specifically dangerous to Titans, it’s not far fetched the Knight is a Titan-like being that absorbed a Monster SOUL and gained intelligence. Also just to add insult to injury the Knight can’t be a Lightner because it can shapeshift and it’s “visor” is its mouth, in Chapter 4 it is laughing right before it makes a Titan. Anyway this theory is to explain the high power of the Knight and why it would be trying to cause something where only Titans would survive.

Summary: basically all Knight theories have massive holes in them and this one basically just says that the Knight is a Darkner with a SOUL that is not an object but it’s more similar to a Titan than a Darkner overall.

Edit: OK I realize there are major holes in my theory as well as others.

Rudy seems to be an outgoing guy. So why is he so cold to Susie here, when he would’ve been fairly friendly toward her the previous day (Other than him being the knight)? Like, just look at the way he mean mugs you and gives you the cold shoulder when you try to talk about Susie. He does NOT like her.

I’ve yet to see a satisfying explanation for this. The main ones I hear getting repeated is that ”He doesn’t want Susie’s first impression of him to be his sorry state after church,” and that “He doesn’t want to speak with you after church.” Both arguments I would concede to… if they made any sense to me.

Meeting him for the first time in Ch2, he’s a sick man in a hospital bed. In Ch4, he’s a tired sick man in a hospital bed. Not much difference for Rudy to get hung up over. And even if that’s true, it still doesn’t make sense for Mr. Extrovert to give Susie the mean mug + cold shoulder combo like that.

As for the second possibility. He’s perfectly fine with talking about, to, and being friendly with Susie if they talked in chapter two. And even if they didn’t, Rudy is still willing to talk about tomorrow and the festival, ONLY giving you the cold shoulder when trying to talk about Susie (If you want to check for yourself, just boot up Ch4 without a Ch3 save file and skip dialogue till you get to Rudy in the hospital). He doesn’t want to talk or about Susie specifically.

This scene is what made me a RudyKnighter. Why did Toby Fox take the time out of his day to write this scene if Rudy wasn’t the Knight. Why write such a blatant, in your face suspicious scene. Why?