r/PlasmaTV

Another question from me, as I am learning to understand plasmas.

I was gaming on my gt50 for 1 to 1.5 hours. Picture setting was in „Game mode“ for lese latency/lag and contrast is set to 42 out of 60.

I always let the retention cleaner of the tv run for about 30 mins after my sessions, just to be clear. Then next day in the evening I was watching a movie for almost 2 hours.

Afterwards I again switch on the retention cleaner for some minutes to check.

And I am still seeing, albeit just a very tiny bit, from the games UI.

It didnt bother me at all, im just surprised that I gamed for not that long and still the image retention is visible and doesnt want to go away that easily, making me afraid of burn in if I game more than 2 hours? (Even if I stop then and play again on the next day, the retention will still help in getting to a burn in?)

Does it sound normal or are there some
Tips i should follow?

(I’m in Dallas btw, so pretty active market I think) It took me ages to find my VT30 and I’m so happy with it for blurays and ps3 gaming, but I want to see what the peak of Panasonic plasmas can do . With CRTs there so many more resources and active listing groups that make the searches for them a whole lot easier, and I wanna know if anyone has any advice.

I recently picked up a p60gt30. (See my other post) And it's been my main gaming display for now for a week just to try it out. I've had a C9 LG OLED since 2020. Before that I had a p42S2 that I sold when I got the OLED, so I was familiar with plasma.

To say I am impressed is an understatement! Wow! I might not go back to the OLED. Seriously. I do play the occasional big triple AAA game that has a good HDR implementation but even then... I dunno. For example, GOW Ragnarok. The HDR is supposed to be one of the best implementations of HDR available. It looked washed out for me on the OLED no matter the HDR calibration settings in the game that I tried. The plasma in SDR looks more natural. Even at 1080p and the larger screen size it somehow feels more like looking through a window into the game rather than looking at a screen. Secondly, the motion clarity. I just tried out Hades II, and wow, it was actually easier to track movement due to the motion clarity, and I normally play the game at 4k120 fps on the OLED and only 60 on the plasma. No HDR in that game so color space wise they're similar. There's also occasionally these moving effects when you grab a boon and the corresponding Greek god is talking, like leaves falling or snow falling. Again, this motion looks better on the plasma.

There are also a bunch of logistical downsides with running the 4k OLED:

1. you need a GPU capable of driving 4k120. 1080p 60 fps is literally 8 times less pixels generated. DLSS / FSR help this but it's still hard to achieve especially in the newest games. You can use the same GPU horsepower instead on other effects (ray tracing) or just save power.

2. If you have a home theater setup, you need janky workarounds to get low input lag + surround sound via HDMI OR shell out big cash on an expensive receiver that supports eARC and HDMI 2.1. My setup with the OLED has an HDMI port from the GPU going direct to the TV, then use a display port to HDMI converter (that supports audio) to connect to the receiver to provide surround aound. With 1080p it's just an old receiver you can buy second hand for less than $100 and just once connection for standard ARC. (GPU -> AVR -> TV)

3. Cheaper HDMI cables. Not a huge deal but still a requirement

4. HDR is janky. In windows it works fairly well in most games but you have to hope a game that enables HDR has a good implementation and good in-game calibration. Most times I don't really know what is a good spot and find my self going back and forth with those sliders. Obviously any game not relatively modern doesn't support HDR anyways.

5. As much hype as there is for Linux gaming now, HDMI 2.1 just isn't supported in Radeon drivers. There's also some janky issues when using Valve's game scope where it can't seem to accept surround sound or HDR????

The OLED isn't all bad of course it's an amazing TV in its own right. FFVII remake for example just doesn't look right with the plasma settings I have when every other game looks incredible. On the OLED the FFVII remake looks amazing in HDR. A colorful game like rocket League also looks great in HDR too. There's just so much more work required in taking full advantage of it when it's better in many technical specs, but in some key (somewhat overlooked) areas it's worse.

Sorry im not that knowledgeable yet, but googling it I get an answer to put it on 1080p sdr with 50hz but I always assumed 24hz is better for movies etc., so shouldnt I put it on 1080p sdr 24hz?

Like many people, few modern games are doing it for me any more and so I'm in search of the best way to play my old consoles and backlog. The majority of my backlog of games run at 30FPS (frustratingly, including a lot of Switch 2 games) which to my eyes, the judder and the lack of clarity the moment I move the camera, is just really intolerable. I've really gone down the rabbit hole here but I'm curious where the community sits on this topic of 30FPS/Motion Clarity?

Here's what I've either tried or am thinking about:

Tried:

1. Lossless Scaling paired w/ Capture Card into PC: Its OK but with input latency, artifacts and not being exactly "pick up and play" its just not hitting for me.
2. Samsung OLED 95F GameMotion+BFI: Close but still an awful lot of "judder" and a much darker image to contend with doesn't lead to a great experience.
3. Sony BVM: I have a beautiful 240p BVM I adore for my 4:3 content, this is kind of out of scope for that widescreen generation I'm seeking.

Considering:

1. Pioneer Kuro KRP-500a Plasma TV: I am hovering over purchasing this beautiful plasma that from doing my research sounds perfect but I am conscious of the 30FPS double image issue many have said looks truly awful.
2. Pulsar Monitor: John Linneman has talked a good game about Pulsar and its new 60hz Content but I have seen very little else about this tech in relation to external consoles, only lots on high framerate PC gaming. Has anyone tried this? Also boo, IPS etc. etc.
3. Very High (How High?) Refresh OLED Monitor: Have seen even less on these and I wouldn't even know WHAT hz to aim for to compensate for 30FPS content.

What have you all tried? What are your recommendations? Am I chasing a white whale or can I get close to how these used to look?