
r/SocialDemocracy

Anyone else feel like there have been a lot of anti-DSA posts lately?
I'm well aware that the DSA's PR team is godawful, but all the major DSA candidates so far have championed policies that are far closer to social democracy than Maoism or Stalinism. So why all the vitriol for the DSA? Shouldn't we be more focused on coalition building and supporting viable candidates than purity testing potential allies? I know that the DSA's hardcore communist wing is incompatible with Social Democracy in the long run, but those factions are easily in the minority; actions speak louder than words, and so far the DSA's been remarkably sane policy wise.
My dilemma in joining dsa
The truth is I wanna join DSA I have always admired left of center politics because I have reference for the new deal because I liked that idea of the only way of saving capitalism was through providing a strong social seeking app for the working class to alleviate fears. And I have started leaning more towards a Democratic socialism because I took a political science class called democracy and dictatorship, and I noticed that for many capitalist powers the reason why they live at access to the boat is precisely because the more people that have the right to vote the more about affect capitalist interest. also, my biggest tenants are ending the electoral college having multiparty democracy and having universal healthcare. When I found out that DSA is a supporter of the stuff that I am mentioning, I wanted to join, especially being in New York after zohran mammalian has an amazing first year as mayor.
Here is my dilemma in joining. I come from a very upper middle class wealthy capitalist, family I go to a great school without any student loans. I have never had a minimum wage job apart from helping out with my family because they own condos in national city of California. And the only reason why I don’t identifies as a democratic socialist frankly is because out of guilt because I’ve benefited so much from capitalism. I mean, God forbid my own. Grandpa owned a contracting company that made money off of the military increased of Ronald Reagan and George HW Bush. And I also want to say that the only dilemma I have in exploring other more far left ideologies out of Democrat socialism as I do feel that I do believe that the people should have a voice in political matters instead of authoritarian bureaucracy because I think the human inclination for power always takes over despite the noble intentions of creating a classless society. I know all of this seems like a lot and I’m kind of writing this off the dome but I’m just asking. Does anyone else come from privileged positions like me with DSA in New York aCity and how do you reconcile wanting to advocate for Democratic socialism or social democracy, while coming from a system, you would inherently benefit from even though your critiquing.
Destiny's Guests are Confused about DSA
Some of destiny's guests have repeatedly insisted or implied that DSA is an organization with an influential contingent of "Actual democratic socialists" while the rest are "Social Democrats who don't know the difference between Social Democracy and Socialism". The truth is that nearly every single major Caucus in DSA is explicitly Marxist and explicitly NOT Social Democrat. It's true that some members of DSA may not be aware of this, however almost all heavily involved DSA members should be aware, as Caucuses are generally transparent about this and very influential in both the National Political Committee (NPC), as well as in local DSA chapters. I am coming to you all as a DSA member with no qualms about my membership, because I just really appreciate discourse with accurate information. GIGO.
In this post I will provide:
- A Brief Overview of DSA Caucuses and the Left-Right spectrum
- A description of the ideologies of each Caucus using Explicit messaging from either their websites or their associated publications, as direct evidence
The DSA Political Spectrum
There is a political spectrum within DSA that we refer to as "Left" vs. "Right", but this should not be taken to clearly map onto typical notions of "Left" and "Right" in politics. The spectrum is better characterized in terms of differences in political strategy, or differences in how one thinks socialism can be built. The "Left—Right" spectrum could also be called the "Revolutionary—Reformist" spectrum. "Revolution" entails organizing the working class to leverage their collective labor power and physical power, to give the capitalist class no choice but to give up their ownership and control over the economy and government. "Reform" entails the use of policy reforms to create socialism.
It is important to keep in mind firstly that no major Caucuses within the DSA are strictly Revolutionary or strictly Reform, and secondly that differences in emphasis on Reform vs. Revolution do not imply differences in vision regarding what socialism means or looks like.
DSA's Major Caucuses are commonly ordered along the spectrum roughly like so:
(#NPC seats in parentheses)
DSA-Right (Reform-Leaning)
- Socialist Majority Caucus (4)
- Groundwork (5)
DSA-Center
- Bread & Roses (5)
- Springs of Revolution (4)
DSA-Left (Revolution-Leaning)
- Marxist Unity Group (3)
- Red Star (3)
- Reform & Revolution (1)
- Libertarian Socialist Caucus (1)
Now that we are familiar with the view from ten-thousand feet, let's zoom in on each Caucus starting with the DSA-Right. Every Caucus website has "Points of Unity" that aid in understanding their orientations. Additionally, many Caucuses have insightful Reading lists, and some even have Blogs/Publications that further clarify their thought. I will show you that Marxism is the rule, not the exception (and that's good)
Socialist Majority Caucus (SMC)
This will be my weakest case by a large margin. SMC is the easiest to interpret as "Not real socialists". They are very heavily focused on reform, they have very little interest in holding candidates to ideological purity tests, and they don't use a lot of "Larpy" language. On the NPC Wikipedia page (which I was involved in developing) their ideologies are listed as "Mass Politics", "Popular Front" and "Structural Reform".
We can catch a glimpse of Marxist Socialism by looking at their Points of Unity. Their 2nd point is
>"We are socialists because we practice Materialist politics, not socialist identitarianism."
They go into further detail, and unfortunately the detail they add potentially undermines the Marxist interpretation. "Materialist" in the context of politics and especially socialist politics, is attributable entirely to the Marxian strand of socialism. Marx & Engels distinguished themselves from their "utopian socialist" contemporaries by clarifying that their own socialism was "Materialism" and relied on a "Materialist conception of history". Unfortunately, SMCs usage suggests they perhaps did not properly understand what Marx's "Materialism" refers to. But it is also a very common misinterpretation
Another 12th Point of Unity states
>"Capitalism is a global system*—one that we seek to replace with an international, ecologically sustainable, socialist society, in which goods are produced and distributed democratically based on need and where security is determined collectively.**"*
Emphasis on "goods produced and distributed democratically". I point to this because I don't think a Social Democrat who fundamentally believes in capitalism with a strong social safety net believes goods in generally should be produced and distributed democratically, rather than based on market mechanisms. Rather, this is a common description of socialism.
Finally, something fun I just noticed is that Cea Weaver, Zohran's Director of Tenant Protections who the media has lambasted for hit tweets such as "Elect more communists", is a member of SMC as evidenced by this recording of an SMC-Only Panel. This is the YouTube channel for The Agitator which is SMCs official Caucus publication. My hope is that this information gives you the (correct) impression that SMC is not best understood as ideologically moderate, rather they are methodologically moderate. They are an anti-sectarian group single-mindedly focused on building "real" power now for future change. Their recent NPC candidate Grace Mausser explains it best in this video
Groundwork (GW)
Groundwork splintered off from Socialist Majority just a few years ago. GW has written about their differences with SMC in their official publication Building Up. There, they describe themselves as "more aggressive and experimental**"**. They are also known for being more "eco-socialist" than SMC, which seems to be the driving urgency behind their more aggressive posture. SMC has a "Socialism, one day, eventually" posture, while GW has a "Socialism in our time" posture. However, most important to us is that GW differs from SMC in being more willing to communicate explicit communist ideology.
GW makes the evaluation very easy for us. Two of the main pages on their website are dedicated to explicating, respectively, the Electoral and Labor pillars of their flagship strategy called "Class Alignment. The electoral page says, "Class Alignment... [is] a holistic approach rooted in a Marxist analysis..." Very straightforward. Further, the page for their Labor strategy references Vladimir Lenin's book What is to Be Done as a major influence on the strategy. In this book Lenin argues against reformist socialism (then termed "social democracy"), and also against "economism" as a trend in socialist politics. "economism" is kind of like the early 20th century version of "Slopulism", referring to political programs focused more on winning treats for the working class rather than building a truly Marxist movement with revolutionary potential.
Groundwork also provides a reading list. They preempt it by saying
>"This collection is aimed at giving a new Groundwork member an understanding of how Marx analyzed contemporary political situations and how later thinkers like Lenin, Gramsci, Camejo, Poluntazas, and Hall oriented.... Essential works such as Capital are not included on the assumption that they would be part of regular, rather than caucus, DSA political education."
The first four books on the list are:
- The 18th Brumaire of Louis Napoleon, by Karl Marx
- The Civil War in France, by Karl Marx
- What is to be Done? by Vladimir Lenin
- “Left-Wing” Communism: An Infantile Disorder, by Vladimir Lenin
One of the two DSA NPC Co-Chairs, Ashik Siddique, is a member of Groundwork
Bread & Roses (B&R)
Bread & Roses is the prototypical DSA-Center Caucus. Word on the street is that Zohran once referred to himself as "The bastard child" of B&R and SMC. Just like Groundwork, B&R is very upfront. The first sentence of their landing page is
>"Bread & Roses is a national caucus of Marxist organizers in the Democratic Socialists of America."
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Their platform describes a very classical Marxist conception of class conflict, and they say outright that their goal is to intensify it in order to force capitalists out of power
>"We need to bring people into open conflict with capitalists and their politicians around immediate grievances, while making connections between each specific issue and the underlying problem: capitalism."
Their reading list includes hit classics like:
- What it means to be a Marxist, by Ramsin Canon
- Wage Labor & Capital, by Karl Marx
- Lenin's The State and Revolution, by Ralph Miliband
- "Left Wing" Communism: An Infantile Disorder, by Vladimir Lenin
- The Road to Power, by Karl Kautsky
Springs of Revolution (SoR)
This is the one major Caucus I will not make the case for, simply because SoR is organized primarily around anti-Zionism, and like that's basically it. There is little else to say about any shared ideology they may or may not have
Marxist Unity Group (MUG)
Should I even bother? MUG has Marxist in the name. I won't fish for evidence where it clearly isn't needed but we can talk about their specific ideology. Members of MUG tend to identify the Caucus as Neo-Kautskyite. tl;dr Neo-Kautskyism is basically just a niche and very nerdy version of Leninism.
"Kautskyism" refers to the thought of Karl Kautsky. The immediate sort of "successor" to Marx & Engels. He is often thought of as the prototypical "Orthodox Marxist" which is a current based primarily on adherence to Dialectical & Historical Materialism as a sort of methodology for a science of political economy. Leninism is traditionally understood as a revolutionist break from Orthodoxy, but Neo-Kautskyists turn this on its head, insisting that Lenin continued the Orthodoxy while Orthodox Marxists like Kautsky gradually became "reformists" and "opportunists". If you are really interested, Cosmonaut Magazine's YouTube channel has a reading of the book that sparked the Neo-Kautskyist micro-movement. Cosmonaut is an independent publication for internal leftist theory discourse, very closely tied to MUG. This reading is performed by Cliff Connoly, a current NPC member representing MUG.
MUG is very big on things like Democratic Centralism and the Min-Max program. All that stuff you heard about like "The DSA wants to abolish the Senate!" comes from MUGs Minimum Program, the Maximum program being (from their Points of Unity):
"The maximum program refers to the results of this process: a world free of the market, borders, classes, and all other oppressive structures that exist under capitalism—in a word, communism."
Red Star
Again, Red Star is very obvious. This is the one some of your guests keep referring to as "The actually socialist" Caucus. Which as I have very clearly shown is silly, because they are ALL "actually socialist", and in fact communist.
What does make Red Star unique is that they are the only major Caucus specifically identifying as Marxist-Leninist, as per their first point of unity.
>"Red Star is a Marxist-Leninist caucus in DSA. Our primary goal, the goal which informs all of our organizing work, is to abolish capitalism and, ultimately, to achieve communism. We do not believe that capitalism can be reformed into socialism – it must be overthrown and replaced."
Marxism-Leninism is generally understood as more than just Marxism + Leninism. It is understood as a particular interpretation of both Marx & Lenin popularized by Joseph Stalin. It also tends to come with some of Stalin's own theoretical contributions, which many would describe as "Nationalistic" or "Paranoid" or "Self-Justifying". And many would say it takes Dialectical Materialism as a methodology for analyzing society and turns it into a religious dogmatic quasi-logic that can prove/justify anything and nothing at the same time. Self-Avowed MLs are also generally "campist" and will ride for any regime with a hammer and sickle on their flag.
Supporting this interpretation of Red Star, we can see that their educational podcast series Red Start features readings on Josef Stalin and other more spooky-scary communist figures who have not appeared on any of the other reading lists, such as:
- Dialectical and Historical Materialism, by Josef Stalin
- On Practice and On Contradiction, by Mao Zedong
- Two More Essays on Philosophy, by Mao Zedong
- Socialism and Man in Cuba, by Che Guevara
One of the two DSA NPC Co-Chairs, Megan Romer, is a member of Red Star.
Reform & Revolution (R&R)
I am sleepy. R&R is a self-avowed Trotskyist Caucus. They say so in their Points of Unity.
>"Our strategy emerges from the lessons of the 1917 Bolshevik Revolution, in which the working class seized state power and used it to transform society in its own interests and the interests of humanity. Our caucus continues to build upon that tradition and its subsequent development through the Left Opposition and Trotskyism."
Trotskyism is another type of Leninism. It differs in that it places greater emphasis on robust democratic structures and on "permanent revolution" which is just this idea that in order to achieve communism you have to support and foment revolution in foreign countries all over the world. It's like reverse imperialism. And of course, Trotsky is most famous for being the USSR's biggest hater. like reverse campists.
Libertarian Socialist Caucus (LSC)
They are obviously anarchists. anarcho-communists even. I don't know what else to say. They call for a stateless society in their Points of Unity, and they say DSA's political reforms should be anti-state reforms. Whatever. I don't find anarchists interesting.
biology isn't a binary, and models aren't reality. Saying that sex is reality is like saying the dictionaries tell us how language should be used. Sex is nothing but the model of applying the gender binary to the body, and right wingers clearly know this and use it.
A tweet of the text "Transmisogyny is the fact that I'd be arrested for showing "female" breasts in public, but then put into a men's prison because I'm "not a woman". Trans women are only considered women when it justifies more harm. We are never considered women when it would protect us from harm." This was posted december 5th 2018 and has 4.5k retweets and 16.6k likes.
Can't believe I have to say this but for those who are drinking or considering drinking raw milk, please don't.
Since the appointment of RFK Jr., but really even before that, it seems that health influencers holding that "secret piece of health advice your doctor doesn't want you to know about" has been getting really popular. Including the notion that raw milk is better for you than pasteurized and is just as safe.
For most of you here that survived natural selection, you already know that's total BS. But if you're curious just how dangerous raw milk really is, I pulled some data from an FDA study in 2003 comparing the risk of listeria infection per serving across various food categories.
Health influencers will try to say "but lettuce gets way more people sick every year than raw milk!" and its like yeah dude, everybody is eating it everyday vs. the 1% of people unfortunately drinking raw milk.
Full breakdown here for those who are interested: https://samholmes285.substack.com/p/raw-milk-is-making-a-much-not-needed
What is AOC chances in winning Chuck schumers NY senate seat in 2028?
ai summary: If Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (AOC) decides to challenge Chuck Schumer in a 2028 Democratic primary, early polling suggests she would be in a surprisingly strong position. A hypothetical matchup from a Data for Progress survey showed AOC leading Schumer by 19 points (55% to 36%) among likely New York Democratic voters. However, she has not announced a Senate run and is also weighing a potential 2028 presidential bid. [1, 2, 3, 4]
Factors Favoring an AOC Primary Win
- Voter Dissatisfaction: Polling indicates Chuck Schumer’s favorability among New York Democrats has hit multi-year lows, partly due to progressive frustration with establishment compromises. [1, 2]
- High Name Recognition and Favorability: AOC commands a massive national and statewide fundraising apparatus, paired with high popularity among the Democratic base. [1, 2, 3]
- Poll Numbers: Head-to-head metrics show a solid double-digit advantage for Ocasio-Cortez in a primary scenario against the incumbent senator. [1, 2] apologize for ai use. comment down below if you agree or disagree if it would be that easy for AOC.
I made a political campaign browser game inspired by Red Autumn (focused on the upcoming Swedish election). Would love your feedback!
Hi everyone,
With the upcoming Swedish elections in mind, I put together a simple browser-based game where the main goal is to win an election campaign.
It's a bit different and not tied to the exact same historical figures, but while building the mechanics, I was heavily inspired by Red Autumn*,* especially when it comes to things like managing social groups and interest organizations.
Unlike Red Autumn, this game isn't focused on just one party. You can play as any of the major Swedish parties, from the Left Party (V) to the Social Democrats (S), all the way to the Sweden Democrats (SD) and the Moderates (M)
As Social Democrats, What are polices you support/think are needed to be implemented within the next 5 years?
reddit.comIn your opinion, is it better for Social Democrats to join leftist coalitions or centrist coalitions in governments?
It's a thought I've had for a while, but the upcoming Swedish election and the discussions I've seen on it reminded me of it. Because, on one side I see people wishing the Swedish SDP form a government with the Greens and Left, while on the other I see people wishing they form it with the Centrists instead.
If we were to exclude specific potential policies for each centrist/leftist party depending on the country, do you think it's better for social democrats to unite with fellow leftists or fellow centrists due to them being inbetween each roughly on the political spectrum and being able to easily side with either? I wish to see arguments for both.
Latest Polls in Sweden show S is bleeding to its likely Coalition Partners
Sweden's Social Democrats are bleeding out to its likely coalition partners such as the Greens, the Left, and the Center Party. 2 of the latest polls show that it (S) might go below the results it achieved in 2022 (107 seats, 30.3% of the vote).
POLL LINKS:
Demoskop: https://demoskop.se/valjarbarometer-augusti-2026-2/
Verian: https://www.veriangroup.com/sv/news-and-insights/valjarbarometer-augusti-2026
Novus for TV4: https://x.com/Nassreddin2002/status/2089971545695256767
Credits to EuropeElects for giving information on Swedish elections
2022 Election: https://www.val.se/english/election-results/elections-to-the-riksdag-and-regional-and-municipal-councils/election-results-2022
*EDIT:
Also, you can see here in this Wikipedia table how the Social Democrats previously were getting in the polls which was around 32%-36% if you scroll, but now according to the latest polls which have been recently released, it shows the Social Democrats falling into 30.1%-30.5%. (though the recent Novus for TV4 poll hasn't been accounted into Wikipedia)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_2026_Swedish_general_election#Opinion_polls
What are your favorite social democracy quotes?
There are a few memorable communist ones but i haven't found any social democratic ones yet, which i will add to my collection
The decline of worldwide democracy
Cross-posted from my substack. Made with photopea and the OWID data editor, with the data itself coming from V-Dem.
Kellii drums on this
Kellii drums on track 3 of this new record
"The People United Will Never Be Defeated" in a duet with Matthias Bossi from Ridiculon / Sleepytime Gorilla Museum. Its a protest album of drums-only with recent chants.
MASSIVE UPSET IN FLORIDA: DSA Angie Nixon WINS in a LANDSLIDE the Florida Democratic Senate Primary, a race that wasn't even in anyone's radar in the first place, despite being outraised 16 TO 1 & the only poll published having her down by DOUBLE DIGITS
Do you believe that we should advance and support Social Dem candidates and polices or fall in line and support Moderate Dems during the Midterms and 2028 election in US to be safe?
reddit.comThe Swedish youth turns sharply to the left according to new Verian poll
- S (social democracy; centre-left): 27% (+2)
- M (liberal conservatism; centre-right to right-wing): 17% (−4)
- SD (anti-immigration politics, right-wing populism; radical right): 16% (+1)
- V (democratic socialism, left-wing populism; left-wing to radical left): 14% (+3)
- MP (green politics; centre-left to left-wing): 12% (+7)
- C (green liberalism, Nordic agrarianism; centre to centre-right): 5% (−2)
- KD (Christian democracy, social conservatism; centre-right to right-wing): 4% (−2)
- L (conservative liberalism; centre-right): 2% (−4)
——————
- Red-Green Bloc (S, V, MP, C): 58% (+10)
- Bourgeois Bloc (M, SD, KD, L): 39% (−9)
& yes, in Swedish politics (as well as in Norwegian politics, Danish politics, Swiss politics, & to some extent in German politics, Finnish politics, & Austrian politics as well), the bloc of right-of-centre-to-right-wing political parties is indeed called "the Bourgeois Bloc", I haven't made that up lol, read this:
Ro Khanna is going to be democrat's presidential nominee in 2028
This is my prediction, I could easily be wrong, but if I end up being right I'm gonna brag about this post for all of eternity.
For starters, it's looking increasingly likely to me that Ro Khanna is going to announce a presidential run, he's been attending events and outlining an economic agenda for the democrats in 2028, and we know right now at the very least that he's considering a run.
Right now, according to polling its looking like either Kamala Harris or Gavin Newsom is going to win the nomination. However, if we look at the history democratic presidential primaries, there's usually someone who's the frontrunner in early polling, but when the actual primaries come around the democrats end up nominating some rando, this is the case for JFK, Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, and Barack Obama. The only exception to this rule has been recent history in 2016 and 2020, and the main reason for this change has most likely been because Bernie Sanders was the most likely person to be this "came out of nowhere and won" candidate, and because Bernie was an open socialist who became an actual threat to the status quo, the democratic establishment did everything they could to undermine his campaign. And that's why the last two real dem primaries ended up being different from the standard. For 2028 though I think we're likely going to return to this rule, because while Gavin Newsom at this point in time seems to be the most like to win, I think the democratic base has already been too radicalized towards wanting real change finally, and on the debate stage I don't think Gavin Newsom will be able to defend his history of playing footsies with rightwing celebrities and not having any real beliefs. Especially if Ro Khanna or AOC is on the stage and actually talking about real things that the people want like M4A, Abolish ICE, And ending the genocide. The same goes for Kamala and any other non-progressive liberal on stage.
Of course, most progressives right now are hoping AOC is gonna be the progressive candidate for president to replace Bernie for the foreseeable future. However, I think this is mainly just the base substituting her image as being Bernie, not exactly supporting her herself. I the vibes I get from AOC is that she isn't really interested in running for president. My understanding of her history is that she a normal person who volunteered to run for congress and didn't entirely expect to win, and especially didn't expect to rise to celebrityhood and become Bernie's spiritual successor. And now that she's in that roll she's tried her best to adapt to it, and I don't know if she's entirely readied herself to run for president. At the same time, there are also weaknesses that AOC has that Ro Khanna doesn't, AOC has an image that's been generated around her by the right for the last decade that gives her an immense amount of negative attention, something which could drag her down a bit. She's also very young for a politician and a woman of color, and unfortunately America still has a lot of mental bias against that type of person.
Ro Khanna however has a lot of strengths she doesn't, he doesn't openly call himself a socialist, and America still has a bias against socialism. So I think Ro simply calling himself a progressive while holding almost all the positions of Bernie helps his image. He also has a decent track record in congress, with his most recent successes being in working across the isle to fight to release the Epstein files. So people will know for certain that when Ro's president he'll release the files 100%. He also doesn't yet have the insane amount of negative attention that most other prominent progressives have gotten by the right, since he's still largely an unknown politician. In terms of his debate and speaking skills, I don't really know how good he is because I'm autistic and not a great judge at that type of thing. However, when I have heard him speak he doesn't seem to be bad at it.
Theres all that, and of course there's the factor that the democratic base and the American people broadly finally seem ready for a progressive revolution, we have the GOP in power during an extremely unstable period of time that they created, so everyone hates them. But people also hate the Dems because the democratic establishment has done nothing to fight the GOP politically or culturally, and people finally seem to be done with their constant need to moderate and get symbolic victories. So it seems we're in a time where the democrats are itching to nominate a progressive, but most speculated democratic candidates seem to be standard liberals. The only two real progressives who seem to be speculated candidate are AOC and Ro Khanna, and I think its going to be Ro.
That's my prediction, If I'm right we'll probably know around Super Tuesday 2028. though if I'm wrong and he either loses or drops out or decides not to run at all, I give you permission to make fun of me.
Favourite biographies of social democratic political figures/thinkers?
Maybe we can get a thread going about what biographies you recommend to users of this subreddit? Both in English and in other languages.