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Why is games media still afraid to talk about SKG?

Why is games media still afraid to talk about SKG?

I know many Top “Journalists”’are in the SKG discord. But IGN just released an entire video on physical media going away and no mention of skg.

This is what ‘Stop killing games’ is all about 🤷‍♂️

https://youtu.be/CJ8SWTeckX4?si=RdexB5596ICEndF6

At 4:57 they talk about crew but not skg.

I get it, they are dependent on sony and Microsoft money to run their org, they are business first second and third.

But if we call them out , make noise, then covering skg becomes a profitable decision.

Tbh I don’t know. It’s all doom and gloom now.
Real life is a meme now.

u/ped-revuar-in — 1 hour ago
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Let me guess.. This EU hearing carried no fruit and now Sony are doubling down because the EU are ran by incompetent people?

u/FirefliesFelix — 11 hours ago

Even a disc does not guarantee ownership

Only ownership guarantees ownership, and looking at this article from Kotaku, that’s what the industry is scared of. Sony also updated their terms of use and will delete your account after 3 years of no use. We will own nothing and be happy, until we understand what this is really about.

Sony isn’t just closing down a factory or a less profitable section of its business. They are embracing a trend where you own nothing and are expected to be happy about it.

The fact that all of this happened at the same time as the committee hearing, with the ESA lying to Senators, may actually be coincidental, but it sure leaves a very bitter aftertaste.

Guess why they are fighting back against us so hard? Why do they resort to open lies?

Making petitions to get discs back is not only, unfortunately, going to do nothing it distracts from the very reason this is being done in the first place. You want your discs back? Help us force them to stop taking away our ownership.

Completely forgot about this, but Ubisoft’s terms of use say that if they terminate your license, you must uninstall the game and destroy all copies in your possession, discs included.

In plain English: they are telling you that you do not own the game. You only have permission to access it until they decide otherwise.

u/Mr_Presidentle — 13 hours ago

I think as consumers we need to become more uncompromising

Through the last couple weeks, we've seen how much large companies and lobbying groups are not only fighting hard against SKG, but are fighting against consumers (and creators) themselves. From SKG receiving a nothing answer from EU commission to Sony's announcement about physical copies to the California law not passing to ESA blatantly lying about community servers, this is an uphill battle. But it also points out why there is so much push back and lobbying against SKG as a whole.

Deep down these corporations know that SKG could prove to be the precedent on digital media preservation and pivotal in offering ownership rights over digital content as a whole. If it comes to pass, years of work from these corporations on chipping away at ownership rights so that they control what media, in what quantity and at what price, we as consumers can consume could all go down the drain which in return would hamper their goal of endless growth. The invoking of "think of these smaller devs" when majority of the pushback comes from the large soulless corpos is proof how much they don't want the consumers to have a relatively small win.

But also means the movement and by extension, we the consumers, would have to become more uncompromising. For example, the constant "please think of the little devs" cannot and should not have any impact on us as consumers. At the end of the day, every studio and dev should adhere to preservation of consumer's ownership rights. No matter how big or small, a dev, a studio or a publisher doesn't and shouldn't have the right to take away your purchase. "But what about all the middleware licenses and infra license and server license and this and that." These are details that will just have to be figured out by devs at the concept phase. There have been enough olive branches extended to the publishers over these, and at some point, the compromise will have to come from them.

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u/Iexperience — 8 hours ago

The Irony of the ESA projecting onto the rest of us

So I'd like to point out that Activision Blizzard (which is currently owned by Microsoft) has endangered consumers repeatedly with their own servers on COD. If (RIGHT NOW) you were to play older COD games on official servers, literal hackers (not kiddie script hackers who cheat at the game, ACTUAL Hackers) can use the game to access your PC and infect it with Malware.

The ESA also claiming that private servers are a "threat to Child Safety" and can lead to "Sex Crimes" towards women and the former...is ironic, given that the Microsoft Rep LYING to the State of California (which is a crime, by the way. Perjury is bad enough but Perjury during a STATE HEARING is horrid) forgot to mention Bobby Kodick and his involvement with a certain creepy Island Billionaire who recently supposedly committed Sodoku (substitute this word for the other Japanese word involve self-deletion).
Edit: Forgot to mention Bobby causing a woman to commit self-deletion at Blizzard, given their "Work Culture" as he defended it. Hint: work place sex crime occurred and Bobby couldn't care less.

They themselves are ADJACENT (not just associated with but ADJACENT) to people who harm children while their OWN servers give access to both domestic and foreign CYBER TERRORISTS (hackers who cause harm are legally considered by the FBI to be Cyber Terrorists, by the way) to infect our computers. And they have the AUDACITY to say that me playing Minecraft by myself on my own server is "dangerous"

I hope StopKillingGames does something to point all this out or maybe ask the State of California to reprimand the ESA for committing Perjury.

They're now OPENLY breaking the law ON CAMERA by LYING to the State of California. They didn't even bother having a private meeting like Ubisoft did with the EU. Like holy crap, man. They're ballsy (and evil) as hell.

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u/Iridion-Diablerie — 18 hours ago

New Sony ToS says your account will be deleted due to 36 months inactivity

I dont know the first news to report this but... https://www.notebookcheck.net/Physical-game-defenders-learn-idle-PlayStation-accounts-can-be-deleted-after-3-years.1335012.0.html

Please note its not new like this month new but I think its a somewhat recent change. Hearing this means your games may be inaccessible when it happens. Its time to increase strength for new legislation that prevents "licenses" from being revoked from lawful games.

Edited: So I hear this is due to EU law. I am not sure however if the account being deleted will result in already downloaded games on the system to be inaccessible, however. If it does force being blocked to already purchased offline games, then that part is likely still on Sony. Still wanting legislation blocking contracts from revoking license to lawful game either way though.

u/wwwarea — 23 hours ago

Something you need to know before it is too late

Today is a strange day for me as I never make a comment as I normally keep to myself. It is the way I do things. I just like to read and watch but after today I decided to speak up.

This account is a dead one and has no links. Sorry about that but what I am about to talk about would rock some boats.

As you know there has been a few interesting pushers with the gaming community as well the games we own and movies we own by digital and disc. As I am also part of that community first before my job I think it is time to speak to you all before it is too late and the choices we have.

As you know Sony has announced this year that in 2028 there be no disc after they just took 500 movies off the community saying that they do not own the license. Where some of you complained there was not enough of you did. Most have simply overlooked this issue and this was just the start. When XBOXS pulled there Film and Tv did you ask yourself, did XBOXS community lose there films or series? The answer: They did not. That is because the film and series you paid for is that you own. The was the same for Sony Community. They were testing you. Testing all of us. Now the games? So why?
That's because Sony seeing if you fight back? When you do? Are they still making money. So far the Answer is yes. When you lose your disc you lose the ability to own and your right to play that game in the future. Nintendo, XBOXS and Sony are all wanting this. This is so they can choose what you can play, how to control the payments for you, How to use you to keep paying. If they decided to Remake classic games into AAA using AI and able to take away the classic from you. As well forcing you to upgrade to the PS6 as they did not like you still using old-gen. Well you now know what the plan for the future is and there a lot more to come what they openly denied.

Now some of you may like this, defend this or stand and defend them. That is fine. However, If you want real change? Now is to act. How do we do that. The simple thing is. Do not help Sony and let the company lose money.

This would mean boycott everything to do with Sony. Cancelling or PSN, Cancelling your Per-orders and yes this would mean GTA what I know most people would struggle or refuse. This is hard for all of us including me.

However, we do have a choice.
We can allow Sony to make there moves, putting the ground work for the rest of the players and we own nothing. Lose our right as a consumer.
OR
We can stand together today, Say no. Hit everything at once and sit for a few weeks or months and let the money eat away until they agree on change. Where we can force them to agree we own the games, own the disc's, able to keep playing as well of the 500 movies you all lost. It is very simple all you need to do it talk with your wallets. Sony will break.

I will say this too. They are very worried about China and coming together would shake them. It is really up to you but its either now or Accept the future. Change be harder later.

Good luck.

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u/BlossomGalaxy — 1 day ago

The ESA went Full Stupid

Imagine being the ESA and Jennifer Gibbons and putting your stupidity on display while calling community servers illegal. I’d be so embarrassed I would have to leave the tech industry.

u/Arashikage-Ryu — 1 day ago

The government wants to decide what you see on YouTube

We will participate in this consultation, share with us your thoughts to include them!

A courtesy note to some of our content creators who brought attention to this topic: this very much sits within the broader chat control / age verification debate, especially knowing how these kinds of discussions tend to go in parliament.

This is about an ongoing consultation around parts of the UK’s Online Safety Act (OSA), specifically the part outlining “trusted news sources.” Leaving aside the obvious slippery slope of giving governments the power to decide what counts as “trustworthy”, because surely no one would ever misuse that, right bro, there is a much bigger issue here.
Mainstream media’s competence when reporting on anything online, and sometimes even beyond that, can be deeply agenda-driven and one-sided. How and why depends on the country, but the pattern is very noticeable.

The last time I saw a major story about games or digital developments, anything around rights, ownership, or even just digital culture outside of “the AI thing”, was an article by Tagesschau, the German public broadcaster. It was basically about how much money the games industry makes.

There was no real discussion of cultural impact, no mention of how games overshadow film and music combined, despite those industries receiving exponentially more coverage. And then, of course, we still have to suffer through the yearly “gamers are violent and shooters are bad” story. Yes, that is absolutely still a thing.

And honestly, this is exactly the kind of space where serious media institutions would actually be useful. They could bring some sense into the constant culture war debate around games. Let developers make what they want, and if a game ends up not being played, that is on them, and fair enough.

Take the Roblox scandal. Every time something goes seriously wrong, it takes mainstream media ages to pick it up, if they pick it up at all.
Now, bringing this back to SKG: in my home country, Germany, we had a stranded whale on a beach as the main story for weeks, while reporting on us was apparently impossible for most of the time. At the very least, that was the case until we had over a million signatures. Even then, almost no one took the time to critically examine what this is actually about: the question of ownership in the digital age.

Instead, it was reduced to the usual “some gamers doing X” framing.
Look at the latest situation with the ESA. At minimum, senators were misled, or accepted an obvious lie without challenging it, and almost no one even tried to contest it. How in the name of all hells is that not worth reporting on? The views this whole shit-show received on independent channels alone should be enough justification. It reached more people, than most mainstream media stories ever do.
So, with that as the opener: can the state, and more importantly mainstream media, really be trusted to be “prioritized” on platforms when they are not even doing their normal job properly?
And is it fair to effectively declare the work of thousands of people, many of whom can absolutely be called journalists or serious commentators, as second-class? Yes, of course there are plenty of clowns in the online space. But there are plenty of clowns in mainstream media too.

What are your thoughts?

For SKG and SKI, Moritz

u/Mr_Presidentle — 1 day ago

Is 'Digital-Only' inevitable, or are we just letting game preservation die without a fight?

We’ve been seeing a lot of debate lately about games getting delisted and becoming unplayable for new buyers.

​On one hand, many say it's just 'how the industry works now' and that convenience wins. On the other hand, a lot of us are frustrated that we don't truly 'own' the games we pay for.

​I’ve been reading through some heated discussions, and it seems like we’re stuck between two extremes: either we accept the digital future, or we get angry about it. But is there a middle ground? Can we demand better ownership rights or better preservation standards without just bashing the platforms?

​What’s your take? Is there a way for us to have both the convenience of digital stores AND the security of actually owning our games?

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u/No_Construction6394 — 1 day ago

Sony in the last few days

I’ve seen Sony’s recent news from the last few days along with the PSN shutdown and recent Xbox announcements.

And I’m not happy.

u/Ultimate_Titans — 2 days ago

Putting aside the vague answer from Square Enix (which is probably bad news if you, like me, hoped for an offline re-edition of NieR Re[in]carnation), it's surprising in a good way to see shareholders being concerned about the unplayability of dead live-service games.

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u/Pod_017-07 — 1 day ago

Want to get some info

Hi, im New to this page. I am a PC gamer, mostly Steam. Can anyone tell me if Steam has a history of turning servers off? Or is that mostly EA, GOG, Epic or one of the other platforms?

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u/arnouds — 1 day ago