Hello everyone. Do you think it would be interesting to create a Fantasy Wolrd based on different Turkic myths/history/legends? I love both fantasy and history and considering how other ancient culutres (Greek, Scandinavian, Slavic) are recieving more and more attention I thought it would be nice to create something similar to Witcher (which is based on Slavic Myths) but with Turkic ones.
Most Mongols and Northern Turks (Kazakh, Kyrgyz) with colored eyes/hair still have East Asian faces, sometimes mixed. Is the blonde/red hair and blue/green eyes in Mongols and Turks entirely because of result of admixtures or does it include recessive genes, pigmentation, albinism, waardenburg syndrome. I'm asking for a alternative answer from Turkic people who also have some individuals with colored eyes/hair.
Other who are not Mongols and Turkic, how do you explain this
PICTURES
1st picture: Blonde hair/blue eye Hmong/Miao people
2nd picture: Blue eyes Lao sisters (warrdern syndrome)
3rd picture: blue eye Muslim Asian girl,
4th picture: Asian Albinos with blonde/white hair and blue eyes
5th picture: Chinese red haired brother and sister
6th picture: Blonde Hmong/Miao people
7th picture: Blonde/red/brown hair Hmong/Miao people
8th picture: Red hair Hmong people
(There is also this video of Hmong, Kazakh, Mongol) with colored eyes/hair
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzEnsynTBhM
So far the only people I've seen who have these eye/hair colored traits are Mongol, Hmong, Asian Turkic, Siberians, Miao people, and Yi mountain people of China in Sichuan. Of course I've seen Han Chinese muslim with green/hazel eyes and brown hair too but that's about it. Of course there's also the albino, heteretochromia, waardrome symdrone, pigmented Asians but these exist in every ethnic group in the world.
My envy for colored hair/eyes
I have envy for Asians or mixed Asians with colored eyes/hair. Despite me being half Asian/half caucasian.... You can be born from a Hong Kong (Chinese) father and Canarian mother (European/North African) and so what?. Despite me having mostly western face/bone structure all I have is black wavy/ curly hair and dark brown eyes. Out of 6 of including my cousins, only one born with some dirty blond hair and hazel eyes, yet he looks way more East Asian than me
Ethnic Hmong and Miao people, their genetics is 100% East Asian but were recorded like this
The ethnic Miao people of China are recorded with red hair. According to F.M Savina of the Paris Foreign Missionary Society, the appearance of the Miao was "pale yellow in complexion, almost white, their hair is often light or dark brown, sometimes even red or corn-silk blond, and a few even have pale blue eyes".^([33]) A phenotype study of Hmong people shows they are sometimes born with red hair.^([34])
The Oghuz Yabgu State was an independent state of the Oghuz Turks that existed in Central Asia from the 9th to the 11th century.
It was located in what is now western Kazakhstan, near the Aral Sea. The ruler was called a Yabgu. In earlier Turkic empires, a Yabgu was usually a prince or deputy ruler under a Khagan. In the Oghuz Yabgu State, however, there was no Khagan above him, so the Yabgu was the independent ruler of the state. You can think of it as a Turkic state somewhat similar to a principality, but it was fully independent.
The Oghuz people were mostly nomads who lived in tribes and moved with their herds. Many tribes united under the Yabgu for leadership and protection.
The Oghuz Yabgu State is important because many Oghuz Turks later migrated south. Some founded the Seljuk Empire, which later entered Anatolia. The Oghuz people eventually became the ancestors of modern Turks in Türkiye, Azerbaijanis, and Turkmens.
In simple terms, the Oghuz Yabgu State was the first major independent state of the Oghuz Turks and laid the foundation for later Oghuz Turkic states and peoples.
Ashina tribe was the ruling tribe of The First and the Second Turkic Khaganate. Ashina tribe were the first state to officially use the name "Turk" as a political identity and developed the earliest known Turkic alphabet
Hello everyone!
I wanted to share something I recently learned that I think many Hungarians might find interesting.
In Kazakhstan, there is a Kazakh clan called Madjar (Kazakh: Мажар/Мадияр). The best-known Madjar clan belongs to the Argyn tribe of the Middle Jüz, although the ethnonym “Madjar/Madiyar” also appears among some Kipchaks, Naimans, Kyrgyz, Nogais, and other Turkic peoples.
There are several theories about their origin.
One view, supported by Kazakh historian Zhaksylyk Sabitov, is that the clan’s name comes from a man named Madiyar who lived around the 16th century, making the similarity to the Hungarian self-name Magyar purely coincidental.
However, another hypothesis has attracted considerable attention. Hungarian anthropologist András Bíró, Hungarian researcher Béla Mihály, and Russian genealogist Andrey Tyurin argue that the Kazakh Madjar clan may preserve ancestry from a branch of the ancient Magyars that remained in the Eurasian steppe after the Hungarian tribes split during the early medieval period.
One of Bíró’s studies reported that members of the Kazakh Madjar clan were genetically closer to the Hungarian population than to their immediate geographic neighbors. This finding has been widely discussed, although it remains debated and is not accepted by all researchers.
The name “Madjar” also appears in other historical contexts across the Eurasian steppe:
I know this is a controversial topic, and I’m not claiming that modern Hungarians are simply Kazakhs or vice versa. I’m only interested in the historical connections and the different academic hypotheses surrounding the name Madjar/Magyar and the possible relationship between populations of the Eurasian steppe and the ancestors of modern Hungarians.
I’d love to hear what people in Hungary think about this. Is András Bíró’s work well known there? How is this hypothesis viewed by Hungarian historians and the general public?
It is said that Karluks played very important role in Genghis Khan conquest of Central Asia!
In 1211, Karluk leaders (most notably Arslan Khan) pledged loyalty to Genghis Khan to secure protection from rival tribes
Karluks became vassals of mongols Voluntarily the Karluks of Semirechye joined the massive Mongol invasion force, which numbered between 150,000 and 200,000 soldiers.
Khwarezmians were Oghuz
Oghuz cities like Samarkand and Bukhara were destroyed. The Oghuz did not submit; instead, the Mongol onslaught triggered massive westward migrations. Waves of Oghuz tribes fled Central Asia entirely, moving into Persia and Anatolia (modern-day Turkey). This displaced group ultimately laid the foundational populations for the Seljuk and future Ottoman Empires.
Is this correct or no?
Chinese state media has reached a new, desperate low in its campaign to rewrite the history of the Uyghur people.
According to Chinese historical source of Tang dynasty the Kyrgyz people were tall blonde hair or red hair with blue eyes or green eyes and having white skin like European or Caucasian and they looked very different from their neighbouring Central Asian people!
Is this True or just a myth???
Even Kazakhs says before mongol invasion they looked like European
For example The Mongols in Central Asia got completely Turkified, how come the Tajiks did not?
If you look at history the Tajiks were under Uzbek rule for centuries and i think there surely have been alot of inter-mingling between Tajiks and Uzbeks!
How come the Tajiks did not get assimilated???
The Ottomans claimed descent from the Kayı branch of the Oğuz Turks. When Ertuğrul and Osman were uç beys, they presumably had paternal kin — brothers, cousins, extended relatives from the same tribal group.
I'm curious what became of those collateral lines:
Not asking about the akıncı families (Mihaloğulları, Evrenosoğulları etc.), since those weren't necessarily Kayı blood. I mean actual paternal kin of the founding line. Curious whether this has ever been researched or if the trail just goes cold.
I know this is going to sound awkward as hell but willing to give it a try to make people understand. Turkic people have a incredible history, I wish I was Turkic in a way (btw this is just for fun, don't treat it like very serious). I see myself a proxy-racially related to them kind of like Dominicans(Spanish) and Ethiopians(Arab) are mixed race blacks group into one genetic plot seperately from europeans and arabs, and this despite them having no linguistic and cultural relations.
I'm 50% Hong Kong (Chinese), 43.75% Canarian islander, 6.25% Cuban born in Canaria islands of North Africa.
My paternal. My male ancestry comes from Hong Kong, or even further China. Me and my 6 cousins are born from Hong Kong fathers (with ancestry from Taishan Guangdong) while our mother are all Canarian islanders
My maternal. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canary_Islanders
Canarian islanders, are a Spanish subgroup people born in North Africa (between Morroco and Western Sahara). The original indigenous people were Guanches (now extinct) were 100% North African related to modern nomadic muslim Berbers. Only modern Canarian people are partial descendants of Guanches being genetically 55-85% Southern European, 15-45% North African and 1.5-3% Sub-Saharan (some individual reaches even 6-9%) My maternal ancestry happened to be from La Gomera where North African ancestry is 40-45%,
I also have Cuban ancestry from my maternal, my grandmother and great grandmother was 1/4 Cuban and 1/2 Cuban who even alleged Chinese ancestry, historically 120,000+ or more like 120,000 Cantonese male coolies and 30,000 more Cantonese male migrants, they either married, intermixed with Cuban mostly mix race black females, black females and low class white females created 114,000 Chinese-Cubans mix race with only 300 pure Chinese since 2008. Some Cubans also migrated to Canaria, making Canaria islanders a bit more diverse genetically.
HOW I SEE MYSELF?
I used to identify as wasian, Chinese-Cuban, or even tried to identify as half morrocon but had the experienced of being confused as Uzbeks in Singapore (during the 2019 Singapore vs Uzbekistan) by Uzbeks and Chinese. Other times they just like to think I'm a muslim Asian/Caucasian mix or at times Asian mix of Asian and Armenian or Turkish and Asian.
Canarian people are warrior people, I used to be proud they defeated so many European invaders and they also took parts in Latin America conquest and Spanish empire conquest (as high ranking elite) but now I have very different opinions of these people. I realize is time to wake up, seeing how my mother mistaken as Moroccan muslim despite being a devoted christians, had enraged me at times. It made me not EVER want to identify as Spanish. Canarian islander are very confused and protective of their identity, some identify Spanish, others not and embraced their berber/Amazigh roots. However some hate Morrocans due to migration and some hate Spanish, due being treated like 2nd class citizen and also being facially way more diverse than Spanish.
Basically all the problem comes down to me 50% East Asian.... I'm not Canarian islander only because of that. I'm not even treated as of them, I tried identify as Chinese-Cuban, but I'm not even born in Cuba and I'm basically only 1/16 (6.25%) from my mother 1/8 (12.5%) and grandmother 1/4 (25%) and 1/2 (50%). I tried to idetnify as Wasian but how can I when my mother is treated as a Morrocan muslim, a non-european people. That be a insult to identify as european. Chinese people they really think I'm Uzbekistan, another from China even said if I amy had came from Xinjiang though he wasn't clear. And btw I also have families in my HK side, like auntie she identify as Hong Konger instead of Chinese while my uncle identify as Chinese. It's crazy.
Cause no other turk has perfected the art of food other than turkiye.
In my opinion: I will definitely say historically ethnic/racial group or originally racial but now diverse to define ethnic/linguistic Turkic. I challenge anyone who say Turkic is not racial but only a linguistic group.
Some people keep saying Turkic is a language group not a racial group but that be saying English and Spanish are only language groups too and so than there's so such thing as English (British/Anglo-saxon) and Spanish (Spaniard/Iberians) identity anymore. So I would definitely say racial.
Turkic origins
Originally racial and now linguistically and racially diverse from Siberia, Central Asia to Eastern Russia, Azerbaijan, Turkey. Proto-Turk (Neolithic Turk) were East Asian, than by the time of Xiongnu and Gokturks predominant East Asian and by time expansion in Western world it became more diverse by conquering and assimilating others. There now even Indian people identifying as Turks in India, Pakistan
Let's use English in comparison to Turkic.
Original English came from Indo-Europeans Anglo-saxons which is England/British today. However after 1500 AD the British empire colonization of Australia, America, Canada, Jamaica, Guyana, Trinidad Tobago all became English-speaking people but nobody would consider Jamaicans or Guyana as Indo-Europeans in race. Jamaicans are clearly black (although with genetic diversity) they speak a Caribbean English but still English. They are genetically 72-78% Black but also have 30% Europeans paternal, 3.8% Chinese paternal, 0.6% Indian paternal. Male migrants/coolies migrated and married local Same in Guyana and Trinidad Tobago, the Guyanese are mostly black and Indians (South Asian), the first president was even a Chinese Authur Chung, yet everything they do in legislation, education, ceremonial is all in English. So are they are now assimilated English-Indo-Europeans?
Successful examples: Arabic, Spanish, Turkic, English languages were successful in colonizing, enforcing their languages on other populations.
Apart from Turkic success and English success. Same with Spanish and Arabic, which is in Latin America and Arabic/Arab identity in parts of West Asia, North Africa, East Africa. The original root come from Spanish empire and Arabic empire and expansion, it came from what is Saudi Arabia today. So original Spanish speaking people are Iberians/Spaniards and original Arabic/Arabs are the Saudis but now we have Hispanic/South Americans and Carribeans identifying as Latino when the original Latino were from European Spanish/Iberians (proxy-Italians) and many people now identify Arabs in-none arab lands due to conversion and mix ancestry.
Not so successful: Manchus, Romans, Tibetans, Ottoman Turks, Han Chinese, Mongols
Romans (Italic) and Ottoman Turks: they conquered and ruled many territories could not successfully made the inhabitants fully convert to their language/identity which is why ltalian and turkish are not official languages in anywhere except for themselves.
Mongol empire: only evidence is largely genetics, some titles, words of Mongol origin. Despite such a large empire, in China they spoke both Chinese and Mongolic and in Central Asia mostly Turkic (elite spoke Mongolic), same in Europe and Iran (spoke mostly persian too)
Manchus Qing dynasty: The Manchus during it's height ruled China, Tibet, Mongolia, Xinjiang and parts of Central Asia, they could easily have enforced Manchurian language on it's subject but were not interested. They only cared about being a ruling elite in Qing and so linguistically/culturally adopted the language/culture of people they conquered
Tibetan empire: Ruled/influenced politically and military in parts of Central Asia, Western China and South Asia ( parts of Kashmir, Bangladesh) but were mostly more interested in spreading their Tibetan form of religions rather than their language and identity on other people.
Han dynasty and Tang dynasty, had military/political/territorial in Southern Mongolia, Manchuria, Central Asia to some extend even Afghanistan during their height but only cared about submission of states (mostly tributary and acknowledging Chinese emperor as their overlord) rather than colonizing and enforcing their culture, language to others but today People's Republic of China seems to be partially enforcing their language on non-Han Chinese children.
Other examples like Mughals, Persian, Berber (Moors). In Mughals case they spread only some Turkic words and islam and some genetics in South Asia. Moors also mostly islam and some genetics in Iberians. Persian empires also ruled much of West Asia to Arabia, Egypt, India/Pakistan but there's no Persian/Iranian official language in these regions today except for fact Kurdish and Tajiks are Iranic speaking but could be because they were iranic origin anyway.