u/Glass-Departure-4279

I’ve had several posts removed without what I consider a clear violation of the subreddit rules. For example, these two posts were removed, with the moderator calling one “nonexistent claims” and the other “useless nonsense.”

Has anyone else experienced similar moderation? If so, please share your examples/screenshots. If there are enough cases, we could collectively raise the issue with Reddit admins and ask them to review the moderation of the subreddit.

Choibalsan and Ospan Batyr

Kazakh tribes are organized into three major regional confederations called Zhuzes (Hordes): the Senior Zhuz (Ulı Jüz), Middle Zhuz (Orta Jüz), and Junior Zhuz (Kişi Jüz), alongside independent groups like the Tore and Khoja. Each tribe within these groups historically utilized specific tamgas (symbols) and urans(battle cries) to mark livestock, property, and tribal identity.

Senior Zhuz (Ulı Jüz) - Southern Kazakhstan

Middle Zhuz (Orta Jüz) - Central, Northern, and Eastern Kazakhstan

Junior Zhuz (Kişi Jüz) - Western Kazakhstan

Notable Kazakh Töre (Genghisid) Figures

Töre (Kazakh: Töre) were the descendants of Genghis Khan and formed the ruling aristocratic elite of the Kazakh Khanate. Only members of the Töre dynasty were eligible to claim the title of Kazakh Khan. The founders of the Kazakh Khanate, Kerei Khan and Janibek Khan, belonged to this dynasty.

Prominent Members of the Töre Dynasty

Shoqan Shyngysuly Walikhanov (1835–1865)

Kazakh scholar, ethnographer, historian, traveler, and officer. Widely regarded as one of the founders of modern Kazakh historiography and ethnography. A descendant of Ablai Khan through the Töre lineage.

Kenesary Qasymuly (1802–1847)

The last Khan of the Kazakh Khanate and grandson of Ablai Khan. He led a major resistance movement against Russian expansion and sought to restore the independence and traditional institutions of the Kazakh Khanate.

Alikhan Nurmukhameduly Bukeikhanov (1866–1937)

Kazakh statesman, journalist, economist, and leader of the Alash movement. He headed the provisional government of Alash Orda and was one of the leading figures of the Kazakh national awakening in the early 20th century.

Gubaydulla Jangiruly Chingiskhan (1840–1909)

Kazakh prince and cavalry general of the Russian Empire. A member of the Töre aristocracy who achieved high military rank and represented Kazakh nobility within the imperial military establishment.

Jangir (Jahangir) Khan (1801–1845)

Khan of the Bukey (Inner) Horde from 1823 to 1845. Known for administrative reforms, promotion of education, and efforts to modernize governance among the Kazakhs of the Inner Horde.

Why do most Mongols lie about being Borjigins and descendants of Genghis Khan if they don't even know about their real Urug (clan)?

Posted about Kazakh clans, tribal structure, and tamgas - and suddenly a bunch of Mongolians showed up accusing Kazakhs of “stealing history.”

What’s funny is that Kazakhs still preserve tribal identity, genealogy, clan names, and tamgas in living tradition. Many people know their zhuz, tribe, sub-clan, and even 7 generations of ancestors.

Nobody is “stealing” history. The history of the steppe was shared and interconnected for centuries - Turkic tribes, Mongol tribes, the Golden Horde, nomadic confederations, migrations, alliances, and assimilation all mixed together over time.

Modern national identities didn’t exist in the 13th century the way they do today. But acting like only one modern nation has the right to all steppe history is just nationalism, not actual history.

The existence of Kazakh tamgas, genealogies, and tribal structures today is literally evidence of cultural continuity, not “appropriation.”

https://ibb.co.com/CKW8VfL7

Kazakh clan structure is passed down through the paternal line, from father to son.^([88])According to oral genealogies, Kazakh tribes are considered the descendants of the emirs of the Golden Horde, who, according to the genealogy (shezhire), are regarded as their ancestors.

Origin of Kazakh Tribes and сlans:

According to Canadian historian Joo-Yup Lee, modern Kazakhs are composed of:^([152])

• Tribes of Mongol origin: Dulat, Manghuts, Khongirat, Uysun and others.
• Tribes of non-Mongol or Mongol or Turkic origin, but from the Mongolian steppes: Jalayir, Kerei, Naimans and others.
• Indigenous Turkic tribes from the Kipchak steppes: Kipchak, Kangly and others.
• Newly formed or emerging tribes of the Mongol Empire: Argyn and others.

Three Kazakh hordes:

Modern-day Kazakhs who still remember their tribes know that their tribes belong to one of the three jüz, a term roughly translatable as "horde" or "hundred":

• The Senior Horde (also called Elder or Great)(Uly juz)
• The Middle (also called Central) (Orta juz)
• The Junior (also called Younger or Lesser)(Kishi juz)