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Cymbal patina = higher frequencies?
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Cymbal patina = higher frequencies?

Ok, so I’ve been observing this affect for a couple years now, just wanted to confirm if anybody else is having this realization. Many times, ive heard older drummers play cymbals that they’ve had for a long time, and the higher frequencies (and the stick definition) are more prevalent than the low ones, especially when riding on the cymbal. Take, for example, Kenny Washington’s K Con Bounce ride that he got in 2010. He plays this cymbal every day, so naturally it’s going to develop some patina. If you listen to the 2010 zildian video, the bounce ride is super super low pitched and has almost no higher frequencies. But now, that same cymbal has a ton of patina, and now sounds more complex and higher pitched. But when he got it, it was super shiny and dark, hence the video and the patina process. Anyways, any thoughts? All of the super patinad cymbals I’ve ever played have been somewhat brash and higher pitched, even though the original design of the cymbal was meant to be low pitched (original K con medium thin low, etc)

u/CalifRoll1234 — 10 hours ago

Preference between ride sizes

I'm curious for yalls input on the different sizes of ride cymbals, in particular the Paiste Dark Energy rides.

I'm debating 1: between MI and MKII (I like both a lot, stuck between the darker control of the MKI and the beautiful wash of the MKII. probably am going to order one of each in the same size and return one)

And 2: between 20", 21", and 22"

Anyone with any experience with these cymbals, I'd love to hear your thoughts!

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u/riffith4627 — 1 day ago

Question about the condition of a cymbal!

I'm looking at this Paiste Dark Energy Ride, and it has a bit of a ding and blemish on its edge. I'm wondering, in this subreddit's opinion, how much this defect might affect its structural integrity, and how likely it would be to crack?

u/riffith4627 — 1 day ago

Cymbal condition question!!

Sorry!! #2 lol

Just posted a similar question a few hours ago, bjt wanted to ask here:

I just found a listing of a Paiste Dark Energy MKI 20" for $500, where the cymbal is in excellent condition, except for a stain on it, looks like something was spilled on it. Is it possible for this to affect its durability, or how likely it is to crack? It's unknown what was spilled on it...

u/riffith4627 — 1 day ago
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Cant decide between K Sweet, K Custom Dark, HHX Complex

Hey,

Im looking for Options to Upgrade my cymbals. At the moment i have a set of Meinl MCS which came with the drum kit.

With my Band we arent really focused on a Single Genre, but we mostly play Pop, indie Rock, a little soul inspired stuff but also psych rock. So id say anything but Jazz or metal.

I think i want a rather balanced Set, not too bright and cutting but also not too dark and dry.

I looked into the three Sets mentioned in the title but cant really decide.

What are your experiences with these? What would you say would fit best? Are there any other Sets you would recommend?

I would buy a Pack. I scanned used offers but prices arent that good around here. Sure cheaper than buying Single new cymbals but in a set i would pay roughly the same like buying everything separate from used Market.

Thanks for any advice!

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u/mallerius — 1 day ago
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Opinions on my repaired cymbal / repaired cymbals in general

So, recently, I bought this B10 cymbal on Marketplace and it was already cracked and repaired. I paid R$300 (I'm from Brasil; around $60). They don't make them anymore, and a cymbal from a similar quality is around R$500 ($100).

Is this a good repair? I know cracked cymbals, mostly, aren't the 'real deal', but I'm a broke teenager who has earned less than $20 in his entire gig life haha.

I may sand the broken part a bit more, since it still has some crevices...

u/rusting_veins — 2 days ago

What is this?

I found this in an old cymbal bag from a used kit I bought and cant find this exact thing. Idk what it is

u/f3ncc — 2 days ago

Looking for some advice!

I've been searching for a new ride cymbal, and I've narrowed it down to these choices at the moment:

Paiste Giant Beat 24

Sabian HHX Complex Big Cup 22

Zildjian K Custom Dark 22

I'm looking for something that will be very versatile, suitable for softer music, but also very loud music. Is anyone here familiar with one or more of these? Anyone have a preference?

Thank you!

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u/mmmmmmmmumumu — 2 days ago

Matching crash to pair with other Zildjian A Custom cymbals

Hi,

My current cymbal setup is:

Zildjian A Custom New Beat Hi Hat 14"
Zildjian A Custom Medium Crash 18"
Zildjian A Custom Sweet Ride 21"

Live I play mostly punk and hardcore, at home I also play softer, quieter things but I'm mostly looking for a good used crash to complement my setup. So far I used an Anatolian Ultimate Thin Crash 19" but I'm now selling it to fund a cymbal that matches the rest of the cymbals more in tone and style.

What A Custom cymbals do you think would work best for my sound? Love the idea of K Customs as well but my budget disagress a bit on that 😉

Was offered a 17" projection crash but just not sure if it would be too similar to my 18" and the next drum shop with a proper selection of Zildjian is 600 km away.

Cheers,
John

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u/Johnny_Zizzy — 2 days ago
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Feed me

I’m at a point in my drumming career where I have all the cymbals I need, but we all need a little inspiration sometimes. I’ve capped my ride cymbal count so if one comes in, one gets sold. I’m mostly playing small group jazz and backing singer-songwriters.

So help me find my next inspiration. Which one of these are you getting rid of and what am I desperately missing to find eternal happiness?

(Thinking most are self explanatory / labelled but bottom three on the left are 19, 20 and 22 Old As, middle row left is a 4000g KCon prototype and second from the right on the top row is a 22 Paiste Traditional Light Flat).

u/Previous_Society_251 — 3 days ago
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Saluda Electrified Hi-Hats. I'm kinda liking them!

I saw these things on eBay and they kinda looked pretty cool. So I decided to look for some information on their sound and from what I heard they sounded pretty good. Like REALLY good in a couple of the videos I saw. They're made from B20 Alloy which is great!

So I started watching these on eBay. They're up there all the time. They start at a penny but I've seen them got for anywhere from $90 to $120+. I didn't really want to spend that much. It's been a while since I bought anything on eBay and forgot, you have a better chance on getting things cheaper if you don't drive the price up so early. Well, before I knew it, there were 4 days left on the first pair I saw and I bid $60 on them. By that evening they were $85. Those are the ones I saw go to $120+... Whoops, My bad!

So, the 2nd pair I watched kinda went up quickly too. Those I saw go for around $80. I wasn't that interested in them. I have 2 sets of 13" New Beats so I really don't need to spend $80+ shipping and taxes on something I really don't need.

Come to these. I watched them. Expecting them to climb to $60-$80 before auction end. But they were at around $16 maybe 5 minutes before auction end time. So I sat and watched them. I figured I'd bid $45 on them maximum about 5 seconds before the end of the auction. Just before I placed my bid, they jumped to $26 but I pressed the Bid button and I saw $36 come up right after I placed the bid. Did I get them? My highest bid was $45 but was I too late? Nope! I won those for $36! It cost $11 to ship and another $8 in taxes. So I paid around $56 with shipping and taxes.

I was a bit nervous. What if these were just garbage? I supposed I could just sell them. Maybe get my money back.

Well, they arrived today. Packed in a box that was sort of piecemealed together. But I pulled them out and they were kinda light. So I was expecting a pretty crisp sounding set of hi-hats. Even the bottom cymbal is light. Lighter than my New Beat bottom anyway. So I put them on my hi-hat stand and started playing them and HOLY F'ING HELL!!!!! These sound TERRIFIC!!! MAN!!! I am really impressed with these Hi-Hats!!!

So, if you have an eBay account, look up Saluda Electrified Hi-Hats. The coloring is all different on them so what you see in the photo might be different from the way they look when you get them. Mine look better than they did in the pictures. So I'm happy about that indeed!

They actually have a YouTube channel. Check it out...

BTW, if you're wondering what all the pitting is in my cymbals, they hand hammer them.

u/MarsDrums — 3 days ago

Help me ID'ing an unbranded cymbal on a secondhand online store, please!

14" (hihat?). Vendor claims it's bronze, but price is 25 euros so I'd say it's definitely NOT B20. I would like to be certain before purchasing it because I've found brass cymbals marked as bronze a couple times before. Is anyone able to identify that hammering/lathing? Thanks! :)

u/Lamborguineapig__ — 3 days ago

Should a brand new cymbal look like this?

I bit the bullet and ordered a new K 21" Projection Ride a few days ago and ideally need it for today. I paid for expedited delivery for Friday which was delayed but it just arrived and now I need it for a gig tonight.

When it arrived the box was damaged and there was nothing in the box to protect the cymbal and it wasn't marked as fragile or anything.

Opening it up it looks to me like this cymbal has been played before too but I have never bought a new cymbal so am not sure how pristine they actually look given they are big pieces of metal and won't necessarily have a spotless finish.

Can anyone guide me on if I should push back and return this or if it looks fine? Given I have timestamped photos and proof of box damage on delivery am I fine to use it given they also delayed delivery as I specifically need it right away or will they then stop me pursuing anything with them?

I'm wondering if i would be best off asking them to give me a partial refund and keep it but I'm not sure how to determine any actual damage to the cymbal so as the box was so damaged I don't know if that would be risky... maybe with a partial refund I can get round needing to use it tonight too?

Thanks for any advice

u/Appropriate-Rub-3482 — 5 days ago
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Zildjian S Dark series for heavy metal/rock?

Looking to get new crashes for a budget and came across these. They have a short decay but I don't know if that is good or bad for the music I play.

P.S the main type of metal I play is towards the death metal end of the spectrum but also like to play metalcore and grunge stuff for fun.

u/Cultural-Lie-8139 — 6 days ago
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I FINALLY GOT IT

After a full 3 years of searching I FINALLY found a Zildjian A megabell ride

u/PROGOPLAYZ — 6 days ago
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Trashy China Alternative (Zildjian)

hey y’all!
i’m a metal and hardcore/punk guy. I had a wuhan china, loved the sound (especially for the price) but i didn’t like how i couldn’t use it all the time so i decided to sell it.
for lack of a better description, i think chinas can sound too “obvious”, as i genuinely dislike the trope of using chinas in breakdowns
i want some sort of trashy, china ish sound back in my set up that can just honestly be used a lot more.
Any recs? Not brand racist but i prefer zildjian just so my things match lol
just to start the conversation:
been looking at K or A EFX crashes, the crash of doom, and even some k special dry stuff. cluster crashes also look interesting! Also the k hybrid trash smash, etc.
Curious to know your thoughts!

u/diddlefriend — 7 days ago

Why Paiste focus on B8 cymbals?

Not sure if it's just my perception. But I feel like other companies like Zildjian, Meinl, Istambul, etc have more B20 catalogue and they put more effort into promoting those.

But almost all Paiste catalogues are B8 (and B15 with the signatures) with only the formula 602 and Masters series being B20.

I have a full set of Paiste Twenty series and I love them, best cymbals I've heard so far.

I would love from Paiste to be more innovative and make more B20 series.

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u/LMISR — 7 days ago