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I'm so annoyed by MJ fans constantly defending his weird behaviour, i mean they are defending someone who most likely was a groomer and pedophile. I used to be in the same boat as them. I love MJ as an artist, and for years I blindly defended him because i was a delusional fan. But now at 27, I see his behavior very differently.

What stands out to me is the repeated pattern of him forming unusually close relationships with young boys, then seemingly moving on when they got older. That pattern is what makes a lot of people deeply uncomfortable and suspicious and rightly so. Whether people believe he was guilty or not, I think it’s fair to question behavior like that. To me it's pretty obvious MJ may have had an attraction to boys aged 8 to 12, and had a thing for boys that were white/european.

For me, the biggest issue is boundaries. Sharing beds with children who are not your own is not normal, and it’s something most people would immediately find alarming if it involved anyone else. If this were some random person instead of Michael Jackson, people likely wouldn’t be so quick to defend it.

I think a lot of people let their admiration for his talent overshadow behaviour that deserves scrutiny. You can appreciate someone’s artistry while still questioning actions that don’t sit right. What are your thoughts on this.

I absolutely loved this Spanish Love Songs album upon release, but I’m realizing now how little I’ve returned to it as a result of overwhelmingly depressing lyrics. At the same time though, I can’t deny that there’s a certain charm to albums like these. They require a very specific mental state to listen to, but once you’ve reached that mental preparedness, they become some of the most enjoyable/cathartic listening experiences you can possibly have.

I’m really curious if you guys have had similar experiences with other albums, and if there are any in particular you’d like to share

Edit: here’s a few other albums that I’ve thought of: La Dispute - Wildlife, Brand New - The Devil and God, Frightened Rabbit - Midnight Organ Fight, Giles Cory - Giles Cory, Arms Length - There’s a Whole World Out There, The National - Trouble Will Find Me, Earl Sweatshirt - Some Rap Songs

I vote The Jam hands down

Two bad bitches honestly but you gotta choose one side for the rest of your life. Imma choose Prince for his restless artistry. Which bad bitch do you wanna vibe with? Don't say "ummm both are good", nah brother, choose one ONLY.

NOTE: (sorted by user critics)
also, this includes albums in the the top 125, adjusted to give a more fair chance of albums that have possibly been in the top 100 before.

UPDATE: GY!BE only has 3 projects on here, not 4. and one is an ep if you want to count that :/

so only 2

my bad guys

2nd update: Sujfan Stevens has 2 as well.

I find a lot of impressive moments on the album. Driver’s License to me is one of the best debut singles we’ve gotten this decade

Lonely People with Power - Deafheaven

My Ghosts Go Ghost - By Storm

Il était une forêt… - Gris

Unknown Pleasures - Joy Division

Deathconsciousness - Have A Nice Life

Giles Corey - Giles Corey

The vegan cookies still cut deep

It's Pitchfork discussion time yet again! Inspired by this comment, which got me thinking- given their influence on the music scene back in the day and how many albums they boosted, which albums weren't able to get a similar level of longevity?

And sure, most albums they gushed over probably didn't end up becoming a Yankee Hotel Foxtrot or a Merriweather Post Pavilion, but there's always the odd cases of albums that feel like they should have gotten that acclaim; such as their best album of 2003, or an album that was .4 off a perfect score. What are some of those?

Also, I'm using https://the-fork.vercel.app/ to see these ratings! In case you're unable to see Pitchfork's scores because of their stupid new subscription deal lol