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His character confuses me so much.

Is he supposed to be a good guy or a bad guy? Are we supposed to like him or not?

Him being a criminal and him manipulating his way into Mercedes's life and Warren's life and Warren's children's lives makes me think he isn't a good guy. But then him genuinely wanting to help Sebastian makes me think he can't be that bad after all.

Also, some days I don't know whether he wants to destroy Warren, have a relationship with Warren or just wants to be Warren.

I am so confused. Can anyone help make sense of this? I'm assuming the answer is "It's Hollyoaks, they don't care about making sense" but I'll ask just in case:

Question #1: So we are to believe that Jenson escapes from Gemma, rushes to the village, steals her drives, then goes to the woods and BURIES them, then leaves Warren a note and THEN was planning on going to the hospital but he got kidnapped again? Why not just....go to the hospital, tell Warren "Gemma kidnapped me, protect me while I donate bone marrow"?

Question #2: Why did Gemma send Warren TO Jenson, then immediately go to Jenson and say "yo, Warren is coming, you better tell me where those crypto wallets are!" At this point, Gemma AND Jenson know that Warren wants Jenson ALIVE so that Sebastian can be saved. So Warren would come and....save Jenson? Like, how is that a threat?

Question #3: Why did Gemma switch places of her thug and Jenson? Just to give Warren someone to find? The thug clearly disagreed with her wanting to let Jenson go, but I find it hard to believe she couldn't say "Yo, thug, I'm your boss, do what I say." So instead she....has him killed?

Am I the only one that's confused?

So, the writers decided that to resolve the Rex/Feminization storyline they'd just sho*t him? First of all, what lazy storytelling. They marry Ste and Rex, send them off on honeymoon for 2 or 3 weeks, bring them back for a week, and Ste's ready to divorce? Top it off, his brand new hubby gets pew pew'd? So many ways they could have better resolved this silly storyline.

I don't know if I missed something but I have no idea who is caring for the kid. The Dillion take him when he left?

I made a post a few weeks ago saying about how the circumstances surrounding peris death shouldn’t sway judgment on how badge of a person she was

I’m re watching from 2018 and Juliet is an identical case of this, some would use the word karma

With Lucas soon to return to the village, I started thinking about this storyline again.

Ever since Lucas beat up Dillon during the pride episodes, I had a feeling the show would eventually do a storyline about Lucas's temper and violent tendencies. I was actually excited when they announced the COP abuse storyline. There was so much potential because of Ste's past and his worries about Lucas turning out like him. There could have been so much character growth for Ste because he has been an abuser and has been abused. He has been on both sides of abuse and therefore knows how difficult, but also how necessary it is to overcome that type of behavior. It could have led to Ste helping his son to break the cycle and create a more healthy future for his family.

Nothing of what I hoped would happen actually happened. Instead we had Ste allowing Lucas to beat him up. He did very little to actually help Lucas. He mentioned Lucas going to therapy a few times but never pushed it and he never stuck to the ultimatum he made. He kept the whole thing a secret and basically just watched Lucas get worse and worse.

During the COP abuse storyline there was so much else going on with Ste, Rex and Dillon that wasn't necessary and just cheapened the storyline for me.

For Lucas's aftermath, we saw him go to prison and take accountability for his actions, but we are still left with a lot of questions. They didn't go deeper into the reasons of his temper and violent tendencies. His childhood trauma was mentioned a few times, but again was never explored further. We still don't know if his brain surgery made his temper and violent tendencies worse or triggered something. And as for Ste's aftermath, we saw him be upset for a few episodes, but now he is fine. He never mentions Lucas and is acting like he never even existed. You would think if your own child hated you and abused you and literally tried to murder you, it would have an impact on you.

I still have a little bit of hope that when Lucas returns to the village they might revisit that storyline and give us answers to our questions, but I think it is more likely with everything that is going on right now (Leah's return, James's return, Rex's murder and Ste being a suspect...) they want to fix Lucas and Ste's relationship quickly and move on from that storyline.

For a show that is known for and takes pride in their issue-based storylines, they really messed up with this one.

"The police never accused you of killing Diane died of a diagnosed terminal illness, Rex was shot, those are hardly comparable. Steeeeeeee😭😭😭😭

I know Hollyoaks is always pretty far fetched but this is just ridiculous!

Surely there’s no way dodger could donate his bone marrow to Sebastian considering he was stabbed and rushed into resus literally the day before 🙄 bare in mind you can’t even donate blood if you’ve had a piercing in the last 4 months but apparently you can donate bone marrow when you’ve been stabbed with a filthy knife in the same 24 hour period?

I thought back to earlier this year and a weird absence I've noticed over the last while. I have no doubt in my mind that Rex's killer is none other than Ro Hutchinson. I mean he has every reason to do it, and he hasn't been seen for weeks, the perfect fake alibi. It's so obvious they're now gonna turn him into the next psycho, like a certain brother of dodger I shouldn't have to name all over again. I don't think it's Abigail as rex reacted like he knew the shooter really well, and if it were Clare he wouldn't have been as calm. So yeah I'm confident that the killer is Ro

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Darren confronted Cindy stating that he had heard from Mandy about Hilton. Cindy burst into tears claiming that she didn't mean to lose her little boy. What does this mean? Did they just kill off Hilton off screen in a bid to not have to recast him?

Well Cindy never did say that Hilton was dead. Is it possible that he's been kidnapped? Let's look at the character being possibly dead and what that means. This explains why Cindy has returned to the village and is so desperate to get to know Maddox. She has lost one of her sons and she doesn't want to lose another. This is a secret that she is trying to keep hidden as it may be too much to bear. She blames herself for what happened to Hilton. It would also paint her as a bad mother depending on how the events took place.

What if hes been kidnapped? Blue is actually still alive and he managed to find Cindy and Cindy has had to work for him by getting money from Beth by pushing this narrative about Maddox as much as she possibly can. Maddox is Cindy's and perhaps she and Beth did swear to keep the situation hidden but now Blue is forcing her hand in order to make sure that Hilton is fine. Hilton is of course always going to be fine. This is just a money making scheme on Blues part. This would also then lead into a shock twist. What if it's Cindy that shot Rex dead? She's carrying out Blues tasks for him and he wanted rid of Rex resulting in her shooting him.

Blue would then inform corrupt lawyer, James that he can return safely home now to the man that he loves and as long as James continues to do hearings for Blue and his men to make sure that they avoid jail time. Blue and James met off screen and he's responsible for James actually surviving the explosion of the car and why James never returned to the village. Blue only allowed James to return to the village during any time that Froggy needed help as Froggy is as big a kingpin as Blue is.

However as Cindy stays in the village she begins to actually want to get to know her son. Her maternal instincts are kicking in. This is why she didn't accept the money to leave this time around. Also Blue has yet to ask for more money. All she's been told is that Hilton is safe in Blues care for now. Cindy could be stressed and pulled in multiple directions over everything. And while this whole Blue scenario is completely far fetched it's fun to come up with as a completely shocking storyline twist that we wouldn't see coming. I will say this though..based on how recent events have gone down I wouldn't be surprised if Cindy tells Darren that maybe Hilton is dead and then we proceed to see Hilton later down the line to everyone's confusion.

Cindy is definitely really pushing to know Maddox for reasons that we have yet to truly know. She just doesn't start out of the blue thinking that she really wants to see this kid and kicking up such a fuss without something truly big happening off screen that we don't know about. I think on the surface level this all seems rather tame in terms of a story but the news of Hilton is a small sample of stuff to build upon going forward and making something even bigger out of the story than we first thought.

I’m very well aware people do not like her as a character for the same reasons as ste which are repetitive storylines, however do we ever come to the point where we think she is a villain.

In my books i feel like she gets away with being a villain by the fact she’s not doing any of the traditional stuff or maybe even intentionally, but at what point do you as a viewer think to yourself, wait this woman is like 40 years old making the same mistakes repeatedly without ever changing her ways.

The reason i say this is not only because she does move on from man to man with no consideration for the consequences.

I just genuinely think the show tries to justify or not present why her actions are so bad time and time again. because they constantly give her second chances.

I mean for me i think she caused verity’s death and enabled all of bobbys actions due to the fact she’s was just a terrible parent.

And not oh she’s just a bad parent ain’t we all, but she caused that boy all sorts of physiological torture, which the show doesn’t really address until the end.

And then she constantly makes excuses for him to get him help AND LITERALLY HIDES HIM AWAY FROM THE POLICE.

On that track, WHY IS GOLDIE ALWAYS SEEN AS IRRATIONAL.

Like Bobby killed sylver

and like genuinely why is hating the fact that warren a serial killer who killed mercedes nephew only hated by her and prince and the rest of family accepts it like in this newest episode.

and yet she goldie is the one the show makes seem crazy for feeling the way she does and mercedes is shown having no guilt

BACK TO MERCEDES.

she cheats on every guy that gets her out of a bad point in life, i know cheating is not seen as bad for more than a week on this show but genuinely the amount of times she cheated on slyver made me so sick of her as a character.

She lost max because she was doing coke.

and once again was hiding out bobby when he came back to the village.

She looses freddie who was supposedly her new soulmate and then just bounces between warren and jenson within a few weeks.

And because it’s her it’s seen as acceptable but i see so much shit given to cleo and dodger when mercedes has been written as unlikable for years.

COMPARED TO STE,

i do think they use these guys as interchangeable for who’s gonna f*** someone new this year but at least with him i’ve seen him go through plots that have actually developed his character drugs, radicalisation etc and at least he has an actual character outside of sleep with whoever i can whereas mercedes who i couldn’t really tell you many defining traits.

It also spoke to me a lot as i’ve just finished watch the eric incel plot, that they completely left mercedes out of the whole thing as they know as writers that her being in the plot would have made eric’s toxic behaviour be sort of justified simply because they write mercedes as an object and not an actual character. Which u think would show to themselves that maybe we should stop writing her as someone who just throws herself at anyone for 14 years since we just had a plot about a villain who said that was his view of all woman and why he became what he was.

No im not justifying eric i’m critiquing the writers for writing a character like eric who is supposed to be pure evil but his exact twisted view of woman is exactly what the hollyoaks writers have been writing for 20 years now.

Again i think she is a villain purely to the fact that she is literally written to make so many bad actions and decisions but the writers want you to like her when in real life she is much worse than many of the characters who we are told to hate.

I know Anna Passey is on a break and Sienna is in prison, so she isn't able to be involved in the storyline, but I would have at least thought they would have a few scenes where someone calls Sienna to give her updates or even just mention her.

Imagine if Sienna gets released from prison, for a crime she probably didn't even commit, only to find out her son has leukemia and no one told her. She will be furious.

Every time a character goes off screen for a certain amount of time, they simply stop existing. It's so frustrating.

I guess he's the only copper left on the force, and he's just got to lead it

I saw it coming from a mile away, as soon as Cindy returned I knew she was Maddox’s mum. This show doesn’t surprise me with anything these days.