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On another post I actually downloaded Gaikindo's wholesale report for YTD Sept 2026 because I wanted to know the rank beyond the top 20, but then I started to be curious about another data... that is the overall PHEV market. Especially after I realized BYD M6 DM isn't even on the top 20 sales list.

As usual, I used the trusty AI to obtain more information about the PHEV industry, and while PHEV has seen some upticks, it really struggled to take off to the mainstream as it is still 1.5% of the entire wholesale unit sales.

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The uptick in June is contributed by BYD M6 DM, which recorded three consecutive months of over 1,000 sales. But then in September, the sales actually goes down as I guess most of the consumers that waited for the BYD M6 DM has already bought it.

So I asked AI to chart the top 10 PHEV cars that have the most wholesale unit sold so far. And a very interesting insights popped in.

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- Chery Tiggo 8 CSH was the favorite PHEV so far and has dominated since 2025 for its affordable price. Until it gets beaten by BYD M6 DM because of the price and brand perception.

- Geely Starray EM-i failed to gain traction vs Chery Tiggo 8 CSH simply due to the fact that it is a 5-seater compared to 7-seater in Tiggo 8 CSH.

- Jetour T1 and T2 i-DM is actually taking steam recently, especially after its introduction in GIIAS 2026, recording hundreds of sales per month, signaling demand. They are heavily influenced by design of the car.

- Wuling Darion and Eksion initially gained traction, but recently has been pulled out since dealers are struggling to get customers to buy them. It's even lower than the JDM MPV trio in September, which are Honda Stepwgn, Nissan Serena, and Toyota Voxy, which recorded around 65, 30, and 66 respectively. (Though Darion and Eksion EV still sells well)

- Premium PHEV remains a niche as Lexus RX 450h+, BMW XM, and Volvo XC90 only sold a handful throughout 2026.

So why has PHEV stalled, even if price are becoming more affordable?

Well, there are several factors, and it's tied with the fact that Indonesians are still preferring the hybrid system (HEV) over PHEV.

1. PHEV generally didn't provide the cost-saving people hoped for. The purchasing price is still generally higher than HEV, depreciation is also slightly worse for PHEV, tax are the same, and no odd-even advantage in Jakarta. This means the TOC for PHEV is slightly higher than HEV if depreciation for PHEV is worse.

2. People don't have wall charger in general, and for those who do will opt for EV first. If you don't have wall charger, you're as good as getting a regular HEV system, as the efficiency is more or less the same. People who look for PHEV as their second car because they have EV already are still very small.

The conclusion is that if we want PHEV to grow, I think there has to be another government incentive to make it work. Our market is unique because used cars here are priced very generously, and this counterintuitively make people consider resell value over fuel efficiency. I mean the selling price of an Innova Zenix probably could cover more than a Chery Tiggo 9 CSH fuel savings if it depreciates worse.

And the only reason why Tiggo 8 CSH and BYD M6 DM sells as PHEV is because their resell value stays put most of the time. BYD is well known now as the Toyota of Chinese cars and, and Chery is a challenger on that.

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Anyway I enjoyed researching like this, so if you like a ranking chart like this, I probably will make more on HEV, ICE, and EV, and perhaps can go brand by brand, and category by category too if you like. I'm sorry I haven't updated Project Isetta yet, but I promise I will update it soon. Hongqi is coming, and I think there are one or two new models too that I should add. Thanks for reading!

As the title said, would love to hear from people who daily drive both cars about what they like and dislike. Thank you in advance.

For context, Im looking for manual, 5-seater ICE car for daily drive (about 15-20km per day) under 300mio.

Kita lagi rencana ganti SUV lama (CR-V 2013) ke mobil listrik. Sudah test drive BYD Atto 1, Geely EX2, Chery Q, dan Aion UT, tapi masih bingung pilih yang mana.

Pemakaian: harian di Jakarta (kerja + antar sekolah), sesekali liburan ke luar kota. Harian ~50-60 km.

Budget: 300 kecil OTR Jakarta (trade-in + cash).

Ukuran: prefer kompak/hatchback (J5 kebesaran buat kami).

Paling tertarik Aion UT. Dapat harga Rp 312 juta OTR Jakarta (Standard). Tapi pengalaman sama sales-nya kurang meyakinkan: di dealer pertama katanya harga diskon cuma berlaku sampai besok (kata manajernya), pas pindah ke dealer lain harganya ternyata sama. Ini memang promo atau cuma trik closing?

Geely EX2 dan Chery Q juga sudah dicoba, tapi istri kurang sreg karena ada beberapa hal yang harus ditambah sendiri setelah beli.

Pertanyaannya:

1. Aion UT Standard di harga segitu worth nggak? Terutama buat yang sudah pakai.
   2.Ada pilihan lain di budget dan ukuran ini yang lebih baik?
   3.Mending beli sekarang atau tunggu GIIAS tahun depan?

Terima kasih!

Cuman penasaran aja, yang pernah gue pake dibawa di trans java di kecepatan target 120kph:

1. vellfire 2016: jkt-sby dapat konsumsi bbm sekitar 1:11 (ron 92)
2. innova 2018 2GD: jkt-jog dapat konsumsi bbm sekitar 1:18 (dex)
3. voxy 2024: jkt-taman mangu dapat konsumsi bbm 1:12 (ron 98)
4. the same voxy 2024, karena harga bbm menggila, turun kelas jadi ron 92 (BP 92). jakarta-surabaya 1:10.5 !!! karena heran dan penasaran dr sby gue isi BP95 dan ballik lagi ke 1:12…. di tengah perjalanan karena ngga ada BP gue isi pertamax turbo dan so far masih bertahan di 1:12.

in this economy, 1:12 for ron 98 i think abit too much isnt? apa emang segituan kah standar mobil keluarga nyaman 3 baris? dalam kota sih irit ya masih 1:9 lah rata2 gue pake.

gue juga heran sm voxy r90, di manual cmn minta ron 91, tapi dikasih ron 95 and up noticeable and measureable improvement di keiritan dan tenaga mesin. mesin n/a padahal bukan turbo2an wkkwkw. odo juga masih relatif rendah (20rb) dan pakai oli 0w-16.

Penasaran user2 mobil 3 baris yang lain klo jalan 120kph pada dapet berapa konsumsi bbm nya.

Halo komodos, saya mau bertanya menurut komodos kira-kira mobil apakah yang cocok untuk operasional kantor. Sebelumnya perusahaan saya pake Calya manual 2021 yang kilometernya udah 125ribu kilometer. Karena sales saya ini kinerjanya bagus kami ingin memberikan sedikit reward lah dengan upgrade mobil operasional yang dia pakai.

Sejauh ini mengerucut ke 3 pilihan sih :

1. Toyota Veloz V HEV
2. Mitsubishi Xpander Exceed Tourer CVT
3. Hyundai Stargazer Cartenz Smart with HSS

Dengan pemakaian yang lumayan berat (dipakai keliling jawa timur 2 bulan sekali) dan mempertimbangkan durability. menurut komodos mana yang cocok?. Kalau ada yang punya mobil tsb bisa dishare juga experiencenya di comment below.

misi Om Tante, share dikit ya review lepas E4 setelah 2 hari pakai, udah jalan sekitar 430an km. Rutenya kemarin Tangerang, BSD, Bekasi, Bogor, Jakarta, sama sempet naik ke Puncak juga.

Kurangnya dulu deh:

- Kaca film bawaan panas banget. Siang-siang badan sih dingin, tapi leher, kepala, kuping kerasa panas. Ini mah mending langsung ganti kaca film aja kek owners j5 dan s5

- Sirkulasi AC tiap mobil mati agak lama balik ke auto terus, ga inget settingan terakhir. Jadi suka tiba-tiba udara luar masuk, kecium bau polusi

- TPMS cuma ngasih tau normal atau kurang angin, angkanya ga keliatan. Kemarin ban belakang kanan kena paku (kayaknya pas dari Puncak), pas dicek bedanya udah 10 PSI. Coba kalo keliatan angkanya, beda 2-3 PSI juga udah ketauan

- Kuncinya sih bagus, bentuk mobil gitu kayak Tesla. Tapi lubang gantungannya tipis banget dan ga dikasih tali, jadi bingung mau digantung gimana

- Abis telpon WA, musiknya ga bunyi / putus-putus, harus matiin mobil dulu baru normal. Ini sama persis kayak J5 kakak saya, dia baru beres pas update software di 5rb km

kalo ada yang tanya gimana untuk obvious downside/downgrade stuff vs j5 ?

Because this is a owner review, i already categorized them as non deal breakers before making final decisions with the stated reason below

Tujuan utama beli untuk dijadikan mobil "capek" high mileage daily for meetings with clients and cold selling

Soo no panoramic roof, nohand rest at the back, manual passenger seat adjustment. Doesn't bother me at all

Nah lebihnya, dibanding J5 jauh sih:

- speaker bawaan nya enak banget bass low nya deep dan vocal nya nggak cempreng bener2 bikin niatan buat modif tambah subwoofer + dsp jadi ngga perlu udah enak (jauh dari j5)

- ADAS nya enak banget. Macet-macetan di tol stop and go jaga jaraknya pas, gas remnya halus. Ada yang motong juga ga langsung ngerem mendadak kayak J5, pelan aja ngasih jalan. Ngelambatin ke mobil depan juga dari jauh, ga nunggu mepet

- Gripnya mantep. Di Puncak belok kiri kanan, nanjak turun, nempel terus ga limbung, padahal dibawa lumayan ngebut. Penumpang juga ga mabok

- Suspensi pas, ga kempes ga keras. Jalan jelek kerasa tapi ga bikin pegel

- Remnya kayak rem mobil mahal, mirip BMW/Mercy temen saya. Pakem, pede

- Diinjek full juga ban ga selip, ga ada tuh mobil kayak keangkat kayak J5

- Setirnya direct banget, ga kayak mobil mainan. Mode comfort aja udah enak, mode sport beratnya pas buat kenceng

- Udah coba sampe 155 km/h, masih anteng, setir ga geter. Biasa saya paling mentok 120an (old pajero sport), jadi ini pengalaman baru sih

Range: 10% baterai kepake kurang lebih 60 km, padahal itu lagi dites, gas terus semua fitur dinyalain. Jadi kondisi paling boros aja udah deket sama klaimnya.

Intinya worth it sih, Di harga segini susah nyari yang dapat kayak gini.

at least on GIIAS August 2026 car lineupp

Ada yang bisa jelasin tentang aturan kendaraan apapun wajib menyalakan lampu sepanjang hari yang ditemukan beberapa negara EU terkhusus scandinavia? Jika terkait visibilitas, bukannya kendaraan sekarang rata-rata sudah dilengkapi dengan DRL.