r/juresanguinis

Denied in Naples - Post DL

1948 Case - No Naturalization

GGGF - GGM - GM - F - Me

Wow. What a waste of time & money. Feel bamboozled & just outright disregarded by the courts.

I provided what I thought was clear intent to add as support against the DL.

I had to file a lawsuit against the state of NY (filed in Nov. 2024), which outlines how the document is requires for JS.

I further uploaded my IRCC (Canadian equivalent of CONE) application which was sent July 2024. This document also very clearly explains that the CONE is needed for JS Case.

I even managed to secure an appointment with the LA consulate for January 28, 2025. (I did so as proof of need for urgent request of IRCC documents).

I am aware that my case wouldn’t be going through the consulate, but secured the appointment for the reason stated above.

The ONLY reason I could not file sooner is because I had to wait over a year for CONES. Otherwise the case could have been filed sooner.

So I have one document that is about as legit as it goes (NYS lawsuit), another document with almost too much evidence for need (Canada), as well as a POA signed before directive, a contract signed with lawyer from 2024, numerous emails from June 2024 onward…

Yet, to my dismay, none of this matters…. How does this not show very clear intent… again, we aren’t talking just screenshots of emails… I have lawsuits, applications, receipts, and even a CONFIRMED consulate appointment…. & none of that is even considered?

What an absolute joke of a system.

I just can’t wrap my head around how this is legal.

Thanks for listening to my tangent…

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u/lookupatthestars99 — 9 hours ago

Decent case? Pre-March 27 Booking

I’m trying to understand whether I may still have a decent case for Italian citizenship recognition under the old iure sanguinis rules, despite the 2025 reform/Tajani decree and the new restrictions.

I had my full document package ready by August 2024. This includes the civil status documents needed for the application, and I have evidence showing they were ready before the reform deadline.

I booked a citizenship appointment through Prenot@mi with the Italian Consulate in Montreal on October 8, 2024.

The first available appointment was not until 10 febbraio 2026. So I did not delay voluntarily; that was simply the earliest date available through the consulate.

After the new rules came into effect in 2025, I cancelled the appointment because I believed I was no longer eligible under the new law. Now I’m wondering whether that may have been premature.

From what I understand, Article 3-bis seems to preserve the old rules for people whose appointment had already been communicated before March 27, 2025, even if the actual appointment date was later.

I also saw the recent Naples decision from May 18, 2026, where the court recognized applicants under the old rules because they had documented pre-deadline attempts to book through Prenot@mi and had been blocked by consular access issues.

My question is: given that I had my documents ready in August 2024 and had an actual Prenot@mi appointment booked/communicated on October 8, 2024, for the first available date in February 2026, do I seem to have a decent argument that my case should be evaluated under the old rules?

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u/thegmboy99 — 8 hours ago

Palermo Success: How a single PEC saved a post-reform citizenship case

By Avv. Michele Vitale - Italyget.com

Gain an understanding of this Palermo ruling issued February 12th and the power of pre-reform evidence under Law 74/2025.

Palermo Success: How a single PEC saved a post-reform citizenship case

This content is being published today following its release within the 'Natitaliani' network of Italian citizenship lawyers, of which I am a member.

The entry into force of Law 74/2025 (formerly Decree-Law 36/2025) has introduced significant procedural hurdles for many Italian citizenship jure sanguinis claims. However, a recent landmark ruling from the Court of Palermo (issued on February 12, 2026) provides a critical roadmap for navigating the new "safeguard clauses."

The Case Facts

The case involved a family of five applicants from Argentina. Their court petition was officially registered (iscrizione a ruolo) at 7:29 PM on March 28, 2025—just hours after the new reform was published in the Official Gazette. Under the strict interpretation of Law 74/2025, this filing would typically be subject to the new restrictions.

The Turning Point: The March 25 PEC

The success of the case hinged on Article 1, letter a) of the new law, which exempts applicants who submitted their application to the consulate by March 27, 2025.

The Court of Palermo recognized the citizenship of the applicants based on two key pieces of evidence:

  1. Documented "Prenot@mi" Failures: The family provided proof of unsuccessful attempts to book appointments on the consular portal between October 2024 and March 2025.
  2. The PEC Strategy: Most importantly, a Certified Email (P.E.C.) was sent to the Consulate on March 25, 2025, containing a formal "out-of-court notice requesting an appointment."

The Court’s Reasoning

The judge ruled that the PEC, combined with the documented portal failures, constituted a formal manifestation of the intent to file the application before the March 27 deadline. This satisfied the requirement for the safeguard clause, even though the actual court proceedings began after the reform took effect.

Why This Matters

This ruling highlights a significant interpretative divide within the Court of Palermo - and Italy as a whole. While some sections have adopted more restrictive views, The ruling issued on February 12, 2026 prioritizes the protection of the applicant's rights against systemic consular malfunctions. It underscores the vital importance of having a documented "pre-reform" trail when pursuing citizenship claims in the current legal climate.

For those wishing to review the full anonymized judgment in both Italian and English, the complete breakdown is available on the ItalyGet blog.

Full Analysis & Judgment: Palermo Success Post-Reform: Interpretation Trends (English & Italian) – ItalyGet

Disclaimer: This post is for informational purposes only and does not constitute legal advice.

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u/Desperate-Ad-5539 — 8 hours ago

Does anyone have any actual information on the Citizenship after 2 Year Residency With Italian Ancestry?

I can't find any 'official' information or testimonials.

I understand there's many complications along the way, but I feel like 'eligibility' should be a yes or no.

I have:

Naturalized Italian Born Parent before I was born

Italian born GM from birth to death

Earn enough income for digital nomad visa + am mobile and can live anywhere

Italian Language requirement will be no problem, same with background check (at the moment lol)

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I understand the process of getting the citizenship can take 2-3 years AFTER the residency, but isn't there any info out there that can at least say 'Yes this meets requirements, if your visa is approved then you start your process'

Thanks everyone

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u/TheSorrryCanadian — 19 hours ago

My Italian grandmother never naturalized in the US, am I eligible?

As the title suggests, my brothers and I have ascertained that it’s very likely that my grandmother, born in 1898, never naturalized when she followed my grandfather to the US. Thus, it appears we are eligible for Italian citizenship. Is this correct? If so, where do I start?

Since I am in the US, do I need to prove that she never naturalized? Would that mean I need to filed for a citizen of nonexistence (CONE)? USCIS? Quite honestly, we are thinking of hiring a lawyer to navigate this process. It feels that despite the cost, it may be worth it. Thoughts?

Thanks so much!

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u/mcguidance — 1 day ago

What to Do Next After All Documents Collected?

Hi again everyone, I'm officially at the point where I don't what the heck I can do and there is not much frankly that I can. I mean any advice is helpful at this point for a way forward.

I am eligible to apply still under the new rules through my grandparents. I am working right now on getting all of their documents and will be done soon.

With that being said, for actually trying to apply for an appointment, well I can't. Prenotami is completely broken as everyone knows.

I looked into an ATQ case and they are out of my budget.

Relocating is also not possible since I have an established life here in Canada.

I'm not sure there is much else I can do except wait for this new central thing in Rome or whatever. Idk, I'm just so upset and sad. To throw a wrench into it all, I have a child on the way towards the end of this year (YAY) but I'm not sure how or what would be the way for potentially passing it on to them or at least having them eligible in the future so, they can have Italian and European opportunities.

I know I wanted it moreso to look at buying property over there eventually.

Anyhow, any help for what I should do next would be appreciated as I am officially stuck.

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u/TheUltimateHoser — 19 hours ago

Recent Tribunal of Palermo jure sanguinis citizenship decision on a post-Tajani Decree claim involving pre-1922 US marital naturalization

Ciao a tutti

We wanted to share a recent first-instance decision from the Tribunal of Palermo, Immigration Section, concerning first and second-generation applicants for Italian citizenship jure sanguinis and a pre-1922 US marital naturalization issue.

This is shared for informational purposes only. It is not a consolidated line of authority, and it should not be read as establishing a general rule. Other Italian courts may decide differently on similar facts.

Why is this decision relevant?

On 21 April 2026, the Tribunal of Palermo, Immigration Section, G.O.P. Carmela Caranna, issued Sentenza n. 2623/2026, recognizing Italian citizenship jure sanguinis to a US-born applicant.

The case was decided under the framework introduced by Decree Law No. 36/2025, commonly referred to as the Tajani Decree, converted into Law No. 74/2025 on May 23 2025.

The decision is relevant because the Italian ancestor was a woman born in Sicily in the late 1800s, who emigrated to the United States and married a US citizen in 1903, before the Cable Act of 1922. Under the US law applicable at that time, marriage to a US citizen could result in automatic acquisition of US citizenship by the foreign wife, without an individual voluntary naturalization act.

The citizenship claim was filed before the Tribunal of Palermo on 16 May 2025, after the 27 March 2025 cut-off introduced by Decree Law No. 36/2025, but before the conversion into Law No. 74/2025. Because of that filing date, letters a), a-bis), and b) of Article 1 are not relevant for the case. The relevant path was instead letters c) / d).

The point worth noting

The decision does not expressly analyze the relationship between Article 3-bis and automatic acquisition of foreign citizenship by marriage.

The reasoning is brief and document-based.

However, the court file included the marriage certificate showing the 1903 marriage to a US citizen. The defense also filed a NARA letter showing no record of voluntary naturalization.

In the motivation, the court refers to the ancestor as someone who had not voluntarily naturalized. The decision does not develop a broader doctrine on pre-1922 US marital naturalization, so caution is needed.

Still, the outcome is worth noting because recognition of Italian citizenship jure sanguinis was granted despite the documented pre-Cable Act marital citizenship issue.

Caveats

This is a first-instance decision from the Tribunal of Palermo with a brief reasoning.

The decision does not establish a general rule on involuntary marital naturalization.

Later case law, including Constitutional Court ruling No. 63/2026 of 30 April 2026, may affect how similar Italian citizenship cases are analyzed going forward.

Why we are sharing it

Many Italian citizenship jure sanguinis cases involving US families include female Italian ancestors who married US citizens before the Cable Act of 1922.

The interaction between pre-1922 US marital naturalization, Italian citizenship by descent, and Decree Law No. 36/2025 remains unsettled.

For that reason, this Palermo decision may be useful to know about, provided it is not overstated.

We are also interested to hear whether anyone has seen other post-Decree Law 36/2025 Italian citizenship decisions involving pre-1922 US marital naturalization or similar facts.

This case was handled by Aprigliano International Law Firm, Milan.

Source: Tribunale di Palermo, Immigration Section, Sentenza n. 2623/2026, published 21/04/2026

For a more in-depth analysis of the decision, you can read the full article in our blog.

UPDATE: you may read the full sentence in English here (the applicants’ personal information is redacted).

Una buona giornata a tutti!

u/ApriglianoFirm — 1 day ago

Bologna Court Rejects Jure Sanguinis Appeal: Why Consular Waiting List (Prenot@mi) Registrations Do Not Qualify as Appointments Under the New Law

by Avv. Michele Vitale - Itayget.com

4.35 PM Edit : I now realize that the title contains a slight inaccuracy, that I cannot correct.
The title, as I intended it, should have been, “Consular Waiting List Prenot@mi Registrations Do Not Qualify as Appointments Under the New Law” - between brackets- to emphasize that this is just the opinion of a judge in Bologna and that, as we know, national merit case law is, on this point, rather uncertain and varied.

Just a few days ago, I published news of two very recent rulings by the Court of Naples that instead included within the exception of Article 3-bis, letter a-bis, even those who, despite not having been included on the consulate’s “lists,” had provided proof of having made several attempts to book through the Prenot@mi Portal, followed by the sending of an equal number of emails requesting appointments, sent before March 28.

In short, the situation remains uncertain and calls for the utmost caution.

BLUF — Bottom Line Up Front A ruling from the the Court of Bologna, published on May 20, 2026, dismissed a jure sanguinis citizenship lawsuit filed after the March 27, 2025 deadline. The decision confirms that the generational limit of the second degree (grandparent) applies strictly to cases filed after the cutoff, and clarifies that mere registration on the consular waiting list (Prenot@mi queue) does not trigger the safeguard clause protection.

Bologna Court Rejections: Context and Precedents This decision represents the second negative ruling (that we know of) from the Court of Bologna since the implementation of the reform. It follows a previous rejection analyzed in this overview of recent rulings. These two dismissals follow a single, seemingly positive ruling that had circulated online, which I met with skepticism in this detailed analysis of the evidence standards.

The Generational Limit and Cut-Off Applicability The lawsuit was registered on March 28, 2025. Since the registration occurred after the deadline of March 27, 2025 (23:59 Rome time), the provisions of Article 3-bis of Law 91/1992 (introduced by Decree-Law 36/2025) were held to be fully applicable. In this case, the claimants' lineage tracing back to their Italian ancestor exceeded the second degree (reaching the third, fourth, or fifth degree), leading to a direct rejection.

Why Consular Waiting Lists Are Not Safeguarded The claimants argued that their prior registration in the consulate's online queue (waiting list) should satisfy the safeguard exception, which protects pre-existing administrative processes from the new generational caps.

The Court of Bologna explicitly rejected this argument, stating that:

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(English translation: "The mere communication of having been placed on the waiting lists is not sufficient.")

According to the ruling, the safeguard clause requires a scheduled appointment communicated to the interested party by the competent consular office or municipality before the deadline. A screenshot of a queue slot is not legally equivalent to a confirmed appointment date.

Constitutional and European Law Compliance The court rejected all constitutional and EU law objections raised by the claimants' counsel, citing the recent Constitutional Court Judgment No. 63/2026 published on April 30, 2026. The Constitutional Court validated the new law, stating that the legislature's intent to enforce "effective links with the Republic" (vincoli effettivi con la Repubblica) is legitimate and that the principle of legitimate expectation (legittimo affidamento) is not violated for applicants who do not yet hold recognized status.

FAQ

Q: Does this affect lawsuits filed before March 28, 2025? A: No. Under the transitional rules of Law 74/2025, cases filed before the deadline remain governed by the previous law and are not subject to the second-degree limit.

Q: Does a Prenot@mi email confirmation of a scheduled appointment protect an applicant? A: Yes. If the consulate communicated a specific date for a document presentation before the deadline, that case is covered by the safeguard exception. A waiting list confirmation, however, does not provide this protection.

For a deeper dive, to download the full original sentence and to read its full English translation check the Link to blog post

Legal disclaimer: The information provided above is for educational purposes and does not constitute formal legal advice.

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u/Desperate-Ad-5539 — 1 day ago

Would Like the Extent of my Eligibility for Italian Citizenship (by Descent) Assessed - with Corresponding Suggestions/Advice for the Quickest Way to Obtain/Recognize Citizenship

Hi Reddit,

I am a Canadian citizen, currently residing in Canada. I am very interested in the notion of obtaining/recognizing Italian citizenship (by descent).

I believe that I am an unrecognized dual citizen. I know that designating any of my grandfathers (as the start of my ancestry line) would give my application the strongest case for citizenship.

However, I tried to find out the specific years of naturalization (for both of my grandfathers) on the Library and Archives Canada Citizenship Database - but came up short.

Myself, my father, and my mother were all born in Canada (in 1998, 1953, and 1959 - respectively). My paternal grandfather naturalized in Canada, in 1957; making my father & I subject to the "minor age rule" (if we were to designate my paternal grandfather as the start of our ancestry lines - in our applications). My mother believes that her father naturalized in 1978 (which if true, would not make her or I subject to the "minor age rule" - in our applications).

In any case, how can I find credible information on the years that my grandfathers naturalized in Canada (before paying for the applicable document that is formally required for my application - obviously, pertaining to just one grandfather)?

As a side note, I am hoping that I am fully eligible for citizenship (by descent) because I like the idea of filing my citizenship application, directly in Italy (very soon after obtaining a residency permit from the particular comune that I may decide to take up residency in). I am definitely not partial to long consular wait times.

EDIT - Additional Clarification:

My grandmothers were born in Italy (just like my grandfathers were). My paternal grandmother naturalized in 1969 (which means that I would fall under the "minor age rule" - no matter which paternal grandparent I may designate as the start of my ancestry line). My maternal grandmother definitely naturalized before my mom's father did. But I am uncertain about her year of naturalization, as well. So I only know the years of naturalization for my dad's parents.

But would I even have a stronger case for citizenship, if my maternal grandfather did naturalize after my mother's 18th birthday? I hope that I am wrong about this; but it seems to me that since none of my grandparents were Italian citizens upon my birth, the strength of my application would be the same between a grandparent who would categorize my application with the "minor age rule" and one who wouldn't.

I am in initial discussions (via email) with a law firm that is based in Milan. In Canadian currency, the firm quoted me approximately $12,150 (which includes court fees) for one person filing their citizenship (by descent) application/petition via the Italian court(s). This firm is not currently assisting clients with the residency route to citizenship, so they are pushing for the court-petition route.

I am certainly open to referrals for firms (based somewhere in Italy) that would charge less than the aforementioned firm would (for the court pathway). Any firm that would not only charge less for the court petition pathway, but would also be willing to assist with the residency pathway, would be wonderful lol.

But I'm also thinking of booking a 1-hour consultation with a firm (based in Canada) that specializes in Italian Immigration Law. I've been in contact with two, and both of them quoted me in the range of $450-$500 (Canadian - including taxes) for the initial 1-hour consultation. Both firms do assist clients in any of the pathways to Italian citizenship (by descent) - that they may choose (depending on their eligibility).

Correct me if I am mistaken, but there are a total of three ways that a Canadian citizen can apply for Italian citizenship (by descent):

  1. Making an appointment with the local Italian consulate in Canada and then filing their application (online or in-person) - on the day of their appointment

  2. Filing their application/petition through the Italian court(s)

  3. Establishing legal residency in any comune in Italy - before directly submitting one's application with the particular municipality

Since I do not have a clean case for citizenship (by descent), would the residency pathway mean (for me) that I would have to be a legal resident for at least 2 or 3 years (continuously) after getting my residency permit - before I am eligible to file my application with the municipality? If one is not fully eligible (by descent), does that mean that they would have to possess a certificate proving at least B1 level of Italian proficiency?

Furthermore, the lawyer from the firm that is based in Milan, told me that the court-petition route is almost always a safer bet than the residency route. What he meant by this is that, unlike with the residency pathway, a person filing their application through the court(s) would be subject to the Italian citizenship laws/regulations that happened to be in effect at the time that the petition was filed with the court. The residency route is a lot more risky because a person living as a legal resident (as their means of obtaining/recognizing their Italian citizenship), would be at the mercy of any new regulations that are put into effect - any time during the process (putting the whole application in jeopardy). Is this true? Or is the residency pathway just as safe as the court-petition route (after one obtain's their residency permit from the comune that they've chosen to "set up shop" in)?

Mille grazie, in advance! 🙏

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u/musical_sanctuary — 1 day ago

JM Background Checks

My husband is planning to take his B1 exam next month. So now my thoughts turn to the background check part of the process. He has lived in 3 different US states and 2 foreign countries (both EU, neither of which are Italy) since turning 18. As an added note, we are currently living in Europe but will return to the US in a few months.

Should he start the process of gathering background checks now or wait until he has passed all parts of the exam? Thanks for any and all advice and experiences.

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u/BlueStarfish_49 — 1 day ago

CIE login account blocked

Trying to get my CIE and was getting a white screen, url error and then tried changing password and got a message account blocked. emailed Toronto consulate and they forwarded it to Rome. I have a feeling it won’t get resolved. Anyone know how to email Rome for CIE login issues?

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u/john99111 — 24 hours ago

Information and thoughts/Questions

Additional clarification: Part of my reason for posting was simply to share our current experience navigating this process and the differing interpretations/information we’ve been receiving while speaking with various firms/representatives during what seems to be a very unsettled and rapidly evolving legal situation.

We are absolutely not claiming that any route is guaranteed, settled law, or a “loophole” around the new rules — only sharing the feedback we personally received while trying to determine whether continuing document collection is even worthwhile at this stage, as well as to hear perspectives and feedback from others in this group who are also closely following these developments.

Edit for Clarification: :)

We are fully aware that under the new law, we do not qualify through the great-grandfather (GGF) or grandfather (GF) lines. Because my partner's father was born in the US and never lived in Italy, that male line is an absolute dead end for us now.

However, we are sharing the feedback we received from Case Assessment Representatives at two different law firms regarding a completely separate path:

  • The GGM / 1948 Route: Because his great-grandmother (GGM) was born in Italy and passed away in 1920 without ever naturalizing, the firms told us we have a viable chance pursuing a 1948 Constitutional court case instead. We are currently getting the official documentation to be 100% sure both the GGM and GGF never naturalized, even though every record we have found so far points to that never happening.
  • Additional help for case: In 1920, the GF's US birth certificate was officially transcribed into the Stato Civile registry of Militello in Val di Catania, Sicily, where he then lived for 15 years. It was mentioned that having a grandfather who was already a recognized citizen on paper, combined with the fact that we can show we began working on collecting documentation prior to the 2025 ruling, is helpful.
  • To be clear- They aren't saying we would outright win (we understand this), but that these factors mean we at least have a valid case to present to the courts.

We know the courts are unpredictable right now and nothing is guaranteed, but we wanted to share this specific information we were given and get your thoughts on it! :)

Hello all- Sorry if this is long, but I want to make sure I provide all (most) of the information so it is clear :)

I (and my partner, since it is about his family) have spoken to a couple of attorney assistants and someone from Now citizens (I think that is the correct name) to try to gain some insight/info/ direction etc.. about whether we should pursue going through the courts or not.

Initially we were looking to go through my partners GGF and GF. We had started the process of gathering documents and even reached out via email to Italian Dual Citizenship (italiandualcitizenship.net) to ask about the process, what was needed, pricing etc... in 2024 but did not formally try to or make an appointment as we had not gathered everything prior to the new ruling in 2025-

For clarification- partners GGF was born and lived in Italy, came to the US on 3 different occasions from what we have found 1907, 1912, 1955 (unclear the length of time stayed each time)- GF was born in the US in 1918, GGM (Italian born-came to US end of 1912) passed in 1920, GGF had birth certificates for GF (and GF sister) sent to Italy, and recognized then took all 3 kids (GF brother Italian born) back to Italy in 1920. GF lived there until 1935 when he was 17 then he came back to the US-

We have now been told that we can likely go through the GGM (under the 1948 rule) since she was not able to naturalize prior to 1922, and she passed in 1920 (we are also locating CONE and A-files for GGF and GGM to be extra careful) but they did also mention that it is possible we could still go under the previous rule since we have time documented info (email and on family search/ancestry sites) showing we started the process back in 2024 (not definite, but helpful and may sway in the pre-law direction).

Just thought I would share this information- Thoughts? Also, I had to add flair with my post, so I just picked that one since none of the others really related

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u/Bek_80 — 1 day ago

1 kid Italian, the other 2 SOL - Consulate route or Legal avenues?

SF GF-F-me + minor (minor issue) 2 college-age kids living at home not recognized

My youngest child and I were recognized as jure sanguinis in October 2025, but my two older children couldn’t be included in my application because they were already 18 and 21 by the time the appointment finally happened. When I originally booked the appointment back in 2019, all three kids were minors, and in the notes section, I clearly stated that I had three minor children who would be applying with me. I still have the appointment confirmation showing this. At that time, San Francisco allowed families living in the same household to apply together.

I’m now helping my two older kids secure their own appointments at the consulate (now that SF has availability), and I will also be adding them to my AIRE household data so that all family information is properly aligned. At the same time, I’d like to consult with an attorney to understand whether there are any options or arguments available, given the documented intent to apply as minors and the long consulate delays. My ancestral comune falls under the Bari jurisdiction.

I’d really appreciate hearing from anyone who has:

  • dealt with older children who aged out while waiting for SF (or other consulates) appointments
  • successfully navigated this situation with the consulate
  • worked with legal counsel who achieved positive results in similar cases

What approaches worked for you? Did the consulate consider the original appointment notes? And if you used an attorney, what strategies were effective?

I’m open to any insights, experiences, or recommendations.

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Giustizia Civile May 20, 2026

Has anyone noticed the app is down today or is it maybe a problem with my phone?

I’m in Italy, since I know there’s been issues with the app in the US recently

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u/Bella_Serafina — 1 day ago

1948 Case approved!!!

This was a long road for us! We officially started the process in 2021, filed in 2023 and we were approved today!!! All the best for those going through this process, hang in there!!!

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u/Starla71 — 2 days ago

“Exclusively Italian” wording

I recently emailed one of the attorneys on the provider list of a question on my situation. Having a 1948 pre-cable act. Where my grandmother and grandfather were exclusively Italian when married in the US and also exclusively Italian when my father was born, a few years after my father was born my GF naturalized in 1921. And my GM naturalization through her spouse was involuntary/Derivative. I was born years later.

I have a booked consulate appointment September 2024.
The question I asked was regarding the (L74) exclusively Italian wording. I asked if I should use the old less restrictive law. That does not have the wording “exclusively” Italian.

I was worried that even if the judge ruled in my favor that my GM naturalization was invalid. Could the judge also rule that technically she was not exclusively Italian at the time of my birth under the new law.

The attorney answered back, just skipping over the whole exclusively Italian wording. Never mentioned using the old law. Just said they believed they had enough information to prove a positive Citizenship ruling.

Is the reason that they skipped over the “exclusive Italian” citizenship wording was because if it judge rules that my GM involuntary naturalization was invalid. Does that mean in the eyes of Italy, she was only exclusively Italian and would also be at my birth. So it wouldn’t matter old or new law.

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u/Blueskys365 — 2 days ago

2025 Miami Jure Sanguinis Minor Rejection - How to Proceed?

My line: GGGF > GGF > GM > M > Me (JS, Miami, Mail-in on Sep. 2nd; Receipt Sep. 9, 2022; HW Sep. 9th, 2024; HW sent in Apr. 23, 2025; Soft rejection 10-1-25; Final rejection 11-4-25)

Hey everyone  I stepped away from my case for several months because I wanted to wait and see how the courts would rule on the minor issue. Now that I am revisiting everything, I realize there have been many changes in Italian citizenship law and several important court decisions, and I am honestly not sure where my case stands, what the best path forward is, or whether any of these developments may affect my case.

For anyone who may not remember, my application was ultimately denied by the Miami consulate due to the minor issue (because my last Italian-born ancestor naturalized while his child was still a minor).

My timeline:

• Applied: September 2022

• First homework request: September 2024

• Submitted all requested corrections and court amendments: April 2025

• Soft rejection received: October 1, 2025

• Given only 10 days to respond

• Italian attorney sent a formal PEC to the consulate on October 9, 2025

• Final rejection received: November 4, 2025

The PEC argued that:

• My application had already been pending for more than three years.

• When I applied, the longstanding interpretation did not consider the minor issue.

• Applying the October 2024 circular retroactively violated principles of legitimate reliance and good faith.

• My great-grandfather was born in the United States and acquired U.S. citizenship automatically by birth (jus soli), so he did not derive citizenship through his father’s later naturalization.

• Under Article 7 of Law 555/1912, he should have retained Italian citizenship.

The attorney asked the consulate to:

• Reconsider the case under the rules in effect when I applied;

• Suspend the case pending the Supreme Court’s decision on the minor issue; or

• Return my original documents if they intended to deny the application.

Despite this, the consulate issued a final rejection that appeared to ignore these arguments entirely and also ignored my request for the return of my original documents, including my great-great-grandfather’s original naturalization certificate, which is a treasured family heirloom.

My attorney confirmed that the PEC was successfully delivered and advised that the next step would be a judicial appeal before the ordinary civil court in Italy, where we could challenge both the substantive denial and the extraordinary delay in processing my application.

I also have a possible 1948 line through my maternal great-great-grandmother (Antonio’s wife) if this line ultimately fails, although I am not 100% sure whether that route is still viable given the many recent changes in Italian citizenship law. My attorney advised that, if I decide to appeal, this alternate line could potentially be included in the same court filing as a subordinate argument.

I am now trying to determine whether it still makes sense to pursue an appeal given all of the recent legal developments.

If anyone has gone through a similar rejection, pursued an appeal in the ordinary civil court, or has insight into how the recent court decisions and legislative changes may affect cases like mine, I would be very grateful for your thoughts.

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u/BamboozledHamboozled — 2 days ago

Expressing my relief. Finally done.. for now

I starting pursuing JS back in 2018 when I learned I was eligible. Originally, my appointment was set for June 2020 so I immediately began collecting documents. Got almost everything except my LIBRA's BC, which caused all sorts of headaches. Appointment postponed due to COVID. More documents. More letters. More waiting. Finally I was able to send my packet in the fall of 2023. Turns out the baptismal certificate I was told to use for my LIBRA wasn't enough and I needed even MORE documents and letters. Finished my homework in the summer of 2024. Very luckily, I was recognized on October 2nd, 2024, right before the minor issue circolare. Thought I was done there, but then DL36 came out and threatened to sever the line to my son. Again luckily, when it was converted to L74, he was still eligible for BdL citizenship. Took the first opportunity to register him. My understanding was that his AIRE registration would be completed by the consulate, and they even emailed me saying that they forwarded his documents to my comune. When I asked for an update, my comune said they needed all the documents again (??). Through playing games, I just sent it all again.

This morning, I got the letter that he was registered in AIRE. What a relief. We'll see what happens with BdL, but for now, the hard part is over!

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u/stikshift — 2 days ago

JM docs spanning US consular districts - translation legalization Q

I have background checks from 4 different US states. None are in the same consular district. My current consulate told me that "generally" and "normally" they expect all translations to be certified/legalized as conforming by the consulate for the US state that issued the document.

I have found that there is no consistency as to how one obtains these translation certifications/legalizations ---- one consulate (Houston) will only do it with an in-person appointment (there are never any available); the others (SF, Detroit, and DC) only accept mailed-in documents and one (Washington DC) request a pre-check via email in advance, etc. My time is running out and I'm starting to panic that my documents are going to expire before I can get these translation certifications/legalizations.

Has anyone else dealt with this? What was your strategy? Were you able to convince your home consulate to certify/legalize all your translations? I read somewhere that Detroit will certify/legalize documents from anywhere in the USA? Can someone confirm that?

It looks like another option is to just have everything translated and sworn in Italy, but I am not sure if the consulate in the USA (San Francisco) will accept sworn translations. I emailed them to ask but I have not received a response. Has anyone done this?

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u/aloha_twang — 2 days ago

Confusing AVV advice

Boston JS GGF GF M Me, no minor issue, no naturalization, consulate appointment secured on Jan 15, 2025 for Dec 20, 2029.

I contacted an attorney to discuss concerns about consulate appointments scheduled after the application centralization in Rome. My fear is that Boston will cancel all 2029 appointments. Thus needing to file a case.

In his initial response email he suggested that I go the 1948 route and file a case now. This didn’t make any sense to me, given the timing and that my GGF is a viable LIBRA. After asking questions about why 1948 during our zoom call he then advised that I should file a case now on the basis that 2029 is too long to wait to apply.

He also said that he would include in the case that these two GGPs were both solely Italian citizens at birth. He indicated that this is somehow beneficial to my case.

He also thinks my siblings should join my case. My sister, who did attempt via prenot@mi but has no screenshots, and my brother did not create a prenot@me account.
I would think that my siblings joining could hurt my case because they have different circumstances.

I’m confused and surprised by his suggestions as this AVV is very well known and has a great reputation. I’m concerned that this isn’t the best path for me to obtain citizenship.

If I did file a case, it would be filed in Naples.

Any insight, suggestions, or anything anyone could offer would be greatly appreciated.

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u/jennpm11 — 2 days ago