r/pourover

Found this when I was wandering around the foodcourt. Had an iced pourover with their 10 year blend and it was amazing. Had to buy some beans!

I’ve acquired the last Pokémon - and now own every model of grinder I’m interested in. These big “titans” certainly vary in terms of quality, flavor profile, workflow, fit and finish and philosophy - but after climbing to the top of the mountain, here’s my .02:  

1. They’re all good. None of them is without fault - and some have huge issues, annoyances and design flaws. Spending big $ doesn’t get you perfection. This Ozik is the most expensive grinder I have ever owned, and I just got it, so the honeymoon stage is at peak – and I can honestly say, it’s just ok and it’s definitely not my favorite… or second favorite… or third favorite.

2. Expensive grinders are generally no more reliable than reasonably priced ones. I’ve experienced critical failures on multiple grinders, one had to go back to the manufacturer.

3. Water composition, technique, and mastery of brew variables is WAY more important to improving your cups vs a grinder/burr. A $140 Femobook A2 with dialed water, and perfectly executed brew will make coffee I greatly prefer, to any one of these titans using TWW, etc with a cookie cutter brewing recipe copy and pasted.

4. These big and expensive grinders do taste different than most less expensive grinders - but that doesn’t mean better, and certainly not for every coffee.

5. If tomorrow I only had a $350 Millab M01, or $500 Femobook A4Z - I wouldn’t have any fomo, nor should you. My biggest gripe would be the speed of using those smaller coffees, given the volume of coffee and number of times I grind each day.

6. Most of these expensive “titan grinders” are far less forgiving than more moderately processed grinders, but that’s their entire point. The more aggressive highlighting of certain notes, more focused, sharper edges, more control over variables like RPM, etc - it sounds great, but frankly most folks - even coffee professional, don’t and can’t fully leverage these traits. If you want set and forget variables, you’ve lost the entire point of these devices and they’re not a good fit. Spending big $ on a grinder doesn’t mean your cups magically get better, and in fact most folks that claim they do, simply aren’t good at brewing and the less forgiving nature of these devices highlights that and forces them to spend more time in finding an acceptable dial in. If they put that same effort into a less costly grinder, they might just find greater gains. If you spend big $ on a variable RPM grinder, and you aren’t regularly changing RPM to meet the ever-changing brew objectives from bean to bean, you bought too much grinder.

7. The carrier/chassis matters. Burr geometry is extremely important - but the actual chassis can make a surprising difference as well. The same burrs can taste noticeably different from one chassis to another. IE: SSP 80 brews with a silver knight coating taste noticeably better and across a MUCH wider RPM range on a Weber EG-1 than on a Lagom P80 or Zerno Z2. This is not just my opinion, or the opinion of folks here on the West Coast - these side by sides have been done on both coasts with professionals and home enthusiasts, and frankly - it’s not the result any of us wanted and were rooting for. The EG-1 is crushingly expensive, and it just plain sucks that the more reasonable priced options can’t match it. Simply put, it is my opinion the EG-1 is worth the massive $ over the aforementioned 80’s. Crossing my fingers on the Motto 80 changing that equation. The more expensive option isn’t always the better tasting one, this is perhaps the most acute difference in carriers and 80mm is a hot space right now, so it’s worth pointing out. Zerno Zealots are a rowdy group and I’m sure protests are in bound, but If I could get the same cups from a $2K less Zerno with a much smaller footprint, it’d be on my counter. Before you fly off the handle – go back up to my point 1 above where I “meh” my fancy new Ozik that’s more $ than the EG-1 and Zerno Z2 combined - this isn’t about confirmation bias trying to justify my EG-1.

8. If you decide to purchase a grinder of this magnitude - don’t ask me, or anyone else which grinder you should buy. Either you’ve mastered your brewing variables and reached Jedi status, know exactly what flavor profile you’re going for, and what limitations your existing hardware has, and you’ve done research into (or tasted) the specific burr and carrier that will help you reach your desired state - OR - you just want a cool/fancy grinder to play with. There’s nothing wrong with the latter, but just lean into it and own it. Get the grinder that looks/sounds the coolest to you and be happy with it. Unless you’re literally going to buy them all and try every burr out there (and there are  folks out there that do) – it’s a waste of time to put any further thought into it. If you do your part, literally any ultra-premium grinder is going to make outstanding coffee.

So – why do I have all these grinders? Well – for one, they are fun to play around with and some more than others. They all make excellent coffee, and each one has a slightly different profile that I find best highlights different varietals and roasts to my preferences. I also drink A LOT of premo beans, and the cost of these grinders combined is just a few years of beans. I’ve been in this hobby for decades, and while the figures may sound extreme, it’s far less costly than so many other hobbies like watch collecting, exotic cars, frequent track days, high end audio, tropical/salt water fish tanks, etc.

Every hobby has its extremes, and I know I’m in deep, but if you’re brewing on a Pietro, A4Z, M01, or even a well‑dialed Femobook A2 (or so many other sub $500 grinders), you’re not missing some mythical “unlock.” The real pursuit isn’t titan grinders it’s mastering brewing and chasing great beans.

At a local coffee meetup yesterday, Ibrought my Kafatek M98V and water tuned for a specific Sey PB box. I brew full cups, let them cool, and drink with focus at home, but the environment was a small splash in tiny tasting cups, no time to let anything cool and settle – and lots of action making it impossible to focus on subtleties. People liked
the brews, but I’d rate them a 6/10 at best. Wrong context, wrong dial. Honestly, swapping the M98V for a $140 A2 would’ve produced better cups under these conditions.

Meanwhile, the best coffee I had all day was off a friend of mines beat‑up Timemore 078 with SK brew burrs and two‑year‑old Sey beans that had been left out for six months before being frozen. The cup was phenomenal – and the beans we so damn good they took the wheel.

The guy who brought those beans had a library of world‑class coffees with him (we brewed a few on the M98V and they were killer) and brews daily on an A4Z and M01, with the M01 being his preferred weapon. I’d bet he drinks better coffee every morning than 99% of titan‑grinder owners.

Beans > Machines.

It’s fine to chase expensive grinders - but amazing beans and perfectly dialed in water with a sub $500 grinder will always wildly outperform a $5k grinder with good water and good beans. Expensive grinders and burrs do absolutely make a difference, but better beans and water simply blow those differences completely out of the water.

Just received my monthly subscription from prodigal. Does anyone have any tips for brewing these via v60 for the best results and has anyone tried these? Thanks!

I am using 90g coffee for 1.5l of water (recipe converted from the James Hoffman v60 recipe. Brew time always takes forever and feels like it gets clogged. Also never has a flat bed. We drink medium to dark roasts.

I looked into the ap burrs for the sette30 but saw people had minimal results.

If too fine, what grinder would you guys recommend? I didn't really want a hand grinder because of me needing 90g, but also dont want to spend too much for something like an ode 2

Has anyone used these filters? Curious what people think of them

https://us.theroasterspack.com/products/osmo-filters-100-pack

This Sunday I had a chance to check out a “new to me” coffee shop up in downtown Austin: Black Fox. Overall I was thoroughly impressed! Everything from the environment and design to customer service and quality of product. Pour Over was very well dialed in and would anyone who’s in the area should definitely check it out!

Hi there! I’m exploring the specialty coffee scene while traveling, so here’s my latest haul. Have you tried any of these?

Have you ever tried a Coffee Omakase?
I have put together one with my friends on 18th of July in Utrecht.
Discover new coffees and lekker snacks.
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These are the coffees currently on rotation.

Have you tried any? What's your favorite?

My EK43 has stock burrs and a dial that goes to 20. Most recommended grind sizes are off because they are based on the 0–16 gauge.

Any tips for finding the correct settings or adjustments from burr chirp to match the 16 gauge.

I am interested in getting light roasts dialed in. While some have recommended settings around 12–15, I am finding the results lackluster, with grassy notes in what is otherwise a well-roasted coffee.

Any help is appreciated. Thank you.

Well, I did a thing, got the idea from Espresso Tonic drinks. This is definitely better.

Hi, I am looking for the perfect glass server.

I am currently using the 02 Hario range server but it drips at the end.

What I am looking for is a 500-600 ml borosilicate glass server with a perfect spout.

As in it has an uninterrupted, smooth flow (not sure how to describe this), similar to the hario teapot here: https://www.hario-europe.com/collections/teapot/products/teapot-cha-cha-kyusu-maru?variant=34423146348695

Some options I found that might work are the following:

Watchget: https://www.amazon.de/watchget-Coffee-Server-Carafe-Resistant/dp/B0DDJC9S53

Qtuie: https://www.amazon.de/Qtuie-Hitzebest%C3%A4ndige-Borosilikatglas-Ergonomischem-Transparente/dp/B0FYCSGYNB/

Pitchii https://coffeecollective.dk/products/pitchii-coffee-server

Torch

Kinto 02: https://kinto-europe.com/products/27592?variant=31997694509114

Loveramics: https://eushop.loveramics.com/products/brewers-glass-jug-belly

I'd love to hear your experiences with these servers, do they drip at the end and do they have that perfect uninterrupted and smooth flow?

Any alternatives I should look into besides these?

picked up my biweekly fix from the local shop and saw the hop notes, which intrigued me. Very pretty box, might make a bookmark out of it, except I don't read.

How's everyone liking this one so far? All my pourovers are usually the same starting "recipe" of; 1zpresso jx pro to 3.0.0, 93° water, with a standard 1:16 ratio. I adjust as needed the following morning.