Usually by hour 24 I get sneezes, yawns, cold sweats, and temperature deregulation. Even took a 3 hour nap today and I’m still tired. With buzzers, I’d be in wd in 6 hours, the past few days I’ve been taking Shift, but even when I’d take those in the past, I’d be feeling it by hour 24. No clue why I feel no WD
Edit: also using the Schauss method for vitamin C
Was taking a combo of those 3 tabs and I think buzzers and fuzzies are the same. They have that peppery heat and hot flash to them. TB was more energetic.
Anyhow I took 8mg subs today and feel fine, a little tired.
So yeah don’t be scared of pwd. Maybe keep your last half a tab just in case something’s different. A dose will pull out out.
Completely back to normal now.. I don’t even care to have an klaz anymore I don’t even think about them anymore.. so if anyone else going through the same thing trust me you can do it I’ve made it a week without A klaz Cold turkey. So you can do it too… just have to get thru day 2-4 and you’ll eventually be fine trust me… if I can do it then so can you.. you got this! We all got this!!!
Okay so here’s to my first post I’m doing this for all of you because I know what it’s like to be battling this woeful chemical in disguise.
Alright first things first was a 7oh user 1500mg a day for two years and quit back in march Cold Turkey. Quit for 3 months then I was given some cats claw samples after the ban at the vape store (you know how it goes)
Flash forward to 6 days ago I was using over 5 packs of 3 count “Blend” a day thats 15 pills a day for about 3 months. I don’t trust the mg statement in these packets it says 300mg per pack (do the math it was a lot)
I ordered clonidine .3 online and waited for it to arrive before quitting and no I did not taper my last day of using I took 5 packs of Blend.
Day 1 took Clonidine once 24 hours had started, laid in bed all day alittle restless/anxious when the hot and cot flashes started I just took Clonidine and got under a HEAT PAD AND HEATED BLANKET (this is crucial for me) turned the FAN on and rode it out till night time. Having a fan in combination with heated blankets helps you contrast the hot and cold flashes this is CRUCIAL!
Day 2 did not sleep any the following night and sweated a ton but the clonidine kept the RLS away and I was able to lie comfortably under heat without kicking and swinging the arms. I had taken quite a bit of clonidine you can DM for details not sharing that here but it was enough that I had to learn the potential fall risks associated with clonidine. Clonidine in my experience makes you couch locked so your body’s really heavy so I laid in bed all day did not eat tried to drink as much possible.
Day 3 following night similar to night before did not sleep I sweated a lot but was somewhat comfortable I just could not shut my mind off to sleep. Still heavy on the clonidine. I was able to go OUTSIDE IN THE SUN and just sit and enjoyed nature for alittle while it’s a very important step in day 3 even if you don’t feel like doing something do something small I recommend setting in the sun I felt a lot better after. Still taking clonidine
Day 4 following night it was similar to the night before I did not sleep I sweated some but was somewhat comfortable. I had to work on this day and yes I was tired but I used my will power and pushed through the day it wasn’t terrible it’s doable. Still taking clonidine
Day 5 following night it was similar to the night before did not sleep I sweated some but was somewhat comfortable. Mind you, each night there was improvement but sleep was unobtainable. I had to work a 12 hour shift and walked over 5 miles that day and I felt good physically but mentally tired. Still taking clonidine
Day 6 following night I SLEPT 4 hours and woke up feeling great! Still tired mentally but it’s so so much better! I’m working a 12 hr shift today and hoping that the worst is behind me. I’m still taking clonidine until I get through my work week then I’m going to slowly ween myself off over the next week.
During my quit I was unable to eat solid food until day 5, yes the physical was rough and is not easy but with Clonidine this has been the easiest detox FOR ME .
I don’t condone any use of any medication I am just sharing my experience and how it has helped me. I wish to see you all, succeed! I have a high pain tolerance so keep that in mind I’m not trying to make this seem easy because it’s not but I want you to know that YOU DO NOT NEED SUBS TO QUIT with strong willpower you make this a small storm in a teacup!
I have experience with quitting all opiates including subs which I don’t not recommend. (Bone Chilling Withdrawal)
I wish all you guys luck! You can do this!
This is a Mere Trifle in The Path of a Behemoth.
I was really struggling to get off this garbage for weeks. Tried and failed over and over. Came across some posts on here about using the Bernese method and was very skeptical at first. It seemed counterintuitive. Finally didn’t know what else to do and gave it a shot and WHAT A GAME CHANGER!
The first day I took .5mg of subs and 1 cc pill (300mg) in the morning and at night. I was a little off but really not bad at all. No achiness, stomach issues or trouble sleeping. The next day I took 1mg of subs and 1/2 cc pill (150mg) in the morning and at night. This day was even better than the first. 3rd day took 2mg of subs and 1/4 cc pill (75mg) in morning and at night. Almost felt entirely normal the entire day and night. Slept great and woke up feeling refreshed. Day 4(today) have taken 12mg of subs and NO CC! Feel completely normal. I was able to go to work, kids sporting events, cook dinner and never experienced any physical withdrawals at all. There was some cravings that came along with it but they were manageable. I plan to taper the subs next week. THIS IS THE WAY! Good luck!
I was honest with my partner about my addiction to cats claw (mgm15) and today I will be starting my journey to quit. I’m not sure the mg I was on but I was taking around 5-10 pills a day wasting thousands of dollars a month on this shit and ruining myself and my relationships. I can’t go anywhere without it and it’s shame I have to use just not to feel sick. Just to get through the day. I was on a lot of different drugs in the past including a bad 7oh addiction that I got off myself. It’s time. So I bought 150 natural leaf kratom capsules from my local shop of “trainwreck” and I’m going to be dosing that to help taper myself off from the mgm. I also have 1 and half pills left that I will be taking with the kratom on day 2 and 3. It’s going to be really hard but it’s something that needs to be done. I’m going to my partners tonight and staying with him for 3 days so he can help me get off this shit. I don’t know what I would do without his and gods mercy. I will keep everyone updated. Ive used for years but this time ive been on it for 3 months so I expect the withdrawals to be rough. Pray for me. Also Sunday we will be going to some AA and NA meetings so I can share my story and get some support.
🚨 PLEASE SHARE THIS. PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW WHAT IS HAPPENING.
I am in West Tennessee, and this is happening right here.
Today, October 1, 2026, law enforcement in Memphis seized nearly 30,000 packages of KLAZ, Cat’s Claw, Botanical Extract and other synthetic kratom products from a wholesale operation.
This wasn’t somebody selling a few pills out of their car. This was a wholesale operation with products being distributed to retailers throughout West Tennessee. They had to bring in an 18-wheeler to haul away the amount of product they seized.
And now we know something that every person taking these products needs to know:
FENTANYL HAS BEEN FOUND IN THESE PRODUCTS.
Tennessee authorities have tested seized products and found fentanyl compounds, including a fentanyl analogue and p-fluorofentanyl, in products associated with these labels.
And I am not saying this because I read some random post on Facebook.
I TOOK KLAZ MYSELF.
I personally tested POSITIVE FOR FENTANYL after taking it.
And then I experienced withdrawal that I can only describe as f**king horrific.
This wasn’t a little discomfort. It wasn’t just feeling tired or having a headache. My entire body felt like it was going insane. I had the sensation of bugs crawling underneath my skin. It felt like something was moving under my skin and I couldn’t get away from it. I couldn’t just scratch an itch and make it stop. It was this horrible crawling, crawling sensation that made me feel like I wanted to crawl out of my own damn skin. I was sweating and shaking. My body couldn’t settle down. My sleep was completely disrupted. I could be absolutely exhausted and still not be able to get normal, restorative sleep because my body felt like it was fighting me. I had that horrible restless, wired feeling where you cannot get comfortable in your own body. And this went on long enough that I started realizing just how serious this shit actually was.
Think about what that does to your head. You bought something that was packaged like a legitimate botanical supplement. It had a name. It had a label. It came in a pretty box. You think you know what you’re taking.
Then you stop taking it and your body goes through hell.
I KNOW. I LIVED IT.
And now nearly 30,000 packages of these products have been seized from one Memphis wholesale operation.
That number should scare the hell out of people.
Because those aren’t 30,000 individual pills sitting in somebody’s house. That’s thousands upon thousands of packages that were part of a distribution operation and could have ended up in people’s hands across West Tennessee and beyond.
I don’t care how professional the packaging looks.
I don’t care what the label says.
I don’t care if somebody tells you it’s “just Cat’s Claw,” “just botanical extract,” or “just kratom.”
I personally took KLAZ. I personally tested positive for fentanyl. And I personally went through the withdrawal from hell.
I’m telling people about this because I don’t want somebody else taking these products thinking they’re harmless because they bought them legally off a shelf or because the package looks legitimate.
Please tell your friends. Tell your family. Tell anybody you know who takes these products.
Don’t assume the label tells you what’s actually in that pill.
I wish I had known what I know now before I ever took one.
I’m sharing this because people deserve to know. YOU deserve to make an informed decision whether or not to continue.
And never ever be ashamed or embarrassed to reach out for help and resources. My DM’s are always open if you need help finding resources.
Please be safe out there. We are having a few ODs around here with packaging that people keep mislabeling as “Kratom” near their bodies. I’ve took Kratom leaf before the ban, it did wonders and I could go days without having any with no issues. This is NOT Kratom. Sick of the mislabeling if I’m being honest because it undermines a very serious issue. Fent.
As the title says, I’m getting about 14 days worth of subs. I’ve been on these cats claw tablets for about 4 months now and before that I was on 7oh for at least a year before the ban in my state. I take probably 4 of the super klaz daily or two of the regular two packs but that’s because I cut down. I was taking 4-5 two packs daily. What I need is a guide on how I can use these subs for withdrawals for 2 weeks and also get off the subs completely by the 14th day as well. I’ve never taken subs before so I really need help with a guide. 23M 200lbs taking about 400mg of cats claw klaz tabs daily. Any advice or help would be amazing. I’m not sure how to do this.
Hey, so I was wondering if anyone might have any estimates on how long I could expect the acute withdrawal to last for me?
I was on 7oh for almost two years, but I live in a banned state so I ended up getting myself off I think in July with the help of cats claw supplements so Im completely off 7oh, but I really just swapped addictions. I started with Buzzers, one pouch a day for a while, then once I was completely off 7oh i started forcing myself to take less due to not knowing if i was taking mgm or something else similar. Thankfully ive been able to keep my dose down fairly low, and for the past month or so ive been taking different brands, switching brands as my local SS ran out of the specific one I was taking.
Over the past month-month and a half I went from Klaz, to Blend and Shift, then to Script. I was able to make a single 250mg Script last up to 4 days due to the long lasting effects, and did so for several weeks, but a few days ago my SS ran out so I went back to Blend.
The Blend would really only keep me out of wd, even with taking a whole tab a day, but they ran out of those a day or two ago as well and it doesn't look like they'll be buying any more, so as of yesterday I'm now taking Off7 tabs.
The Off7 is much less effective at keeping away wd, and even when it does it only does for maybe 2-3 hours before I start feeling wd creep back in. Im in full wd now im guessing from the Script specifically since the Blend barely did anything besides keep away id say 85-90% of the wd, and the wd started once I no longer was taking the Script. I know my dose was low, and I can already tell I can handle the wd from this much better than I could with 7oh wd (which is why I was on it for almost 2 years)
Since around 6pm yesterday ive been what im assuming is peak wd from the Script, cause the cold sweats, stomach discomfort, and a solid amount of diarrhea (pun intended). Whats making it easier for me is the fact that mentally, the effects are pretty mild, feels more like regular opiate wd compared to 7oh wd. 7oh wd was super mental for me which is what made it almost impossible, but im fairly clear headed, and the Off7 is reducing the physical symptoms a good bit.
All that to ask, since I wasnt taking a high dose, I shouldn't expect the peak wd to last TOO long, should I? I really didnt expect the wd from this to be as strong as it is, but Ive read other people's reports, some from people whose dosage was a good bit higher than mine, and they were around a week long for them. I think im around 3 days, give or take, without taking Script and the diarrhea seems to be calming down. The Off7 is definitely helping, but i can tell its a completely different formula compared to any of the other brands ive taken, cause as I said earlier it only lasts maybe a few hours, but the other brands would be more like half a day at least.
I know everyone is different so no one can tell me for sure, but any ideas? I definitely won't need subs and im for sure not gonna try and get more cats claw now knowing how strong the wd are, so im going to just get this over with. Might go one more day with the Off7 if I feel I need to. Mostly just so I can sleep and to keep the sweats to a minimum. Not experiencing RLS thank god, but my muscles are definitely sore and my energy is low, but I have free time with no obligations for the next few 4 days so I can detox without worrying about that. Thanks for any help, I appreciate it
so im on subutex trying to quit the cats claw and i messed up and took some of the Blend brand ones yesterday but i still was able to feel it? im on 12mg of subutex. is this normal?
Trying to quit but caved and got at first a “250mg” per tab pack of blend first time I seen them or in a six pack and was cheaper then the 100s but they did nothing
Got some single 100s today and did nothing at all both tasted super sweet like candy gs the normal I want to gag taste.
I’m wondering if they reduced the dose massively or changed to something like pseudo or something weaker then whatever was in it to start with
Good motivation to quit I guess $100 gone and I felt like shit all day both days, thought the 250s would rock me lol I hate this shit
Hey guys! I have been taking anywhere from 8-14 of the fuzzies tablets a day and sometimes blends tbs for the last three weeks. And been on cats claw total of 5 weeks. Planning on getting off this weekend and taking off Monday if needed. Below is my plan and if you have anything that’s helpful please let me know.
My doctor prescribed me Subs, clonidine, Gabapentin and Remeron for sleep. Trying to hold off inducing subs until like 36-48 hours what do yall think.
Oh also ordered 2000mg of 7oh that will be here tomorrow for last case scenario if I need that but it’s last resort because I do not want to prolong WD into next week.
I plan of taking my last dose of CC Friday morning to get through the work day and go from there. Hoping I feel good enough to get to work on Monday!
Please let me know anything helpful with these meds.
Cheers
I have a TON of magnesium, gaba & liposomal vitamin C! Anyone got any other OC meds that help? I got bone broth and crackers and Imodium for days 2-5. Also does anyone have a regiment with the vitamins that helped? Anyways I know the vitamin C helped when I tapered 7, so here goes nothing! If anyone has any advice I’m waiting on the shipment coming the 5th-7th of the gaba and vitamin c and I’m tapering now. Wish me luck and if anyone wants to chat or be buddies thru WD let me know I have very few supports. I used to have a ton of NA homies in MN but since I moved I’ve not done much but work and 7.
Hello I am , 20 (M) , starting off I just wanted to say I’ve always been opioid sensitive & therefore I always feel it a lot harder even on lower doses. I’d say 6-8 months ago I was on 7oh would buy 1 or 2 , 5 packs of the 7Tabz , or 7ohmz, 500 - 600mg. Take 4-6 mostly. Intense nodding, throwing up, floating itchy, pure euphoria. I did not even notice UNTIL I quit most of other drug use.
Been smoking weed every day since I was 13. (Cut back extremely in the past year after ex was pregnant) Around this same time I also developed a severe cocaine addiction , did and sold acid frequently. drug use didn’t skip a beat of my waking hour.
Only adding what’s above for context, now the point of my situation is. Only got clean once from 7, and i relapsed after a vacation back home. I figure if I only take a small amount I can replace my weed addiction and act like an anti depressant. Holy shit , no. My self control, and discipline went out the fucking door
, I was 200-300mg before I was intervened now i can’t get the fuck off cats claw. For almost 3-4 days as of till 5pm. I’ve taken 1 50mg half in the morning and the evening. Now I just took 200mg today. Half in the morning , and half in the evening but literally it wasn’t enjoyable or enough. Back to the store. One single.
The blendz cat claws seem to the best , but fuck I don’t what to do. Please any tips?
Has anybody used some type of psychedelics while going thru acute withdrawals? I took 1 of those CC tablets thats actually just psychedelic and it helped ALOT with my anxiety. After 12 hours I’m usually withdrawing already and the RLS starts to kick in around this time. I woke up 13 hours after my last dose and I had no RLS & just barely started to feel wd symptoms. Im not sure how it would work while going thru full blown acutes but it definitely helps out with a taper at least. This was also more like a microdose I’m curious how an actual trip would be.
I had a moment also when I started to feel bad and was getting those intense craving thoughts that i needed to dose now, I was able to calm down and told myself it’s all in my head and my symptoms immediately dropped about 50%. It’s very hard to do this normally but the psychedelic gave me the mental strength and clarity to relax. To test this theory, As weird as it sounds i was practicing controlling my symptoms. I would go on an anxiety trip and tell myself how bad I’m feeling and it would get worse. Than I’d try to meditate and relax and I’d feel better, I did this a few times through the night and it worked significantly everytime for both ways.