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Air-Air or Air-Water + 'aircon'

Hoping to get some advice/thoughts on heating upgrade plans.

I live in a frankly insane house 17c cottage with 4 extensions done in various decades since the 1950's with different levels of insulation etc throughout. Heat loss calcs have come back between 15k-16k.

I've been quoted around 15-16k (-9k grant) for air to water systems. That's typically using a grant heat pump for context.

I've also seperately had a quote to do the 4 upstairs rooms with air-air for aircon (as its all room in roof and has been a furnace in the heatwaves we've had) those were 5-6k for a mitsubishi 4 way split.

Now part of me is considering getting another 4 air to airs for the downstairs using them for heating getting rid of the wet system entirely and having an electric hot water tank of some kind.

I figure it should be roughly the same cost either way 7k+6k for water + air vs 6k x2 +2kish for HW? for air-air.

My quesions are;

is there any major risks considerations for going pure air-air? Is this a viable idea?

Would doing air to air like im planning qualify for the 2.5k grant?

Lastly do those quotes seem reasonable for a 16/17kw air-water and for the air to air system?

Thanks if you read all that!

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u/AdDifferent2609 — 16 hours ago

We love having windows and doors open all summer unless it's really hot. We're looking into an air-to-air heat pump with DHW like the Daikin Multi+ to replace our Combi Boiler, but I'm wondering how it would cope with open windows/doors?

Can we switch it off without it building up mould? Would it struggle if we open the windows/doors at the end of the day to refresh the air in the house? Anyone got the same system? Thanks!

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u/feralwest — 2 days ago

HeatGeek now providing estimates for the new AeroTHERM Plus in Anthracite

Just noticed that online estimates are being provided for the new plus alongside the pro by HeatGeek. They've also a page about the model here https://www.heatgeek.com/vaillant-arotherm-plus-heat-pump. I can't see anything confirming when it actually be available for install.

The key differences look to be:

Plus is £250 more than the Pro (depending on size).

The Plus is available in a wider range of capacities.

The Plus can achieve slightly higher flow temps and has a an overall higher efficiency.

The Plus comes with a seven year warranty vs five years for the Pro.

The Plus is fractionally quieter (probably imperceptibly so).

Otherwise they are the same colour, and both can be installed in tighter spaces.

u/icrossfield — 1 day ago
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Octopus Cosy heat pump smart heating

This popped up in my Octopus app. Did anyone enable this? It doesn't seem to have the same benefit as the smart charging (guaranteed low tariff for charging EV). I don't see the point of this. My inverter's AI mode needs predictable loads to work better.

u/ShawnXYe — 1 day ago

Oil problems!

We have two installer surveys booked over the next couple weeks due to having issues with our existing oil system which will cost us at least 6.5k. The grant is now going up to £9000 as we are off grid, is there any world where we could possibly get an air source heat pump installed for that do you think? 3 bed semi detached. Existing heat tank downstairs next to our oil Aga boiler

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u/Lumpy_Toe_9471 — 1 day ago
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Agile Half hour retail pricing cuts my electricity bills by a third! Plus: cheap heat pumps!

This article was not written by me but perfectly matches my user experience. The writer shows the template on how Agile can be run very cheaply. Our family has co-evolved the exact same strategies and our average 12-month price (16p/kWh) matches.

We have the same heat-pump (Daikin) again installed by Octopus but our operational SCOP is slightly better than the author here.

As more and more wind/solar is rolled out we will only see more drastic price differences between wholesale peak and off-peak rates. This makes fixed price deals harder and harder to administer. Either the fixed price rate is high or the energy retailer holds a lot of risk.

I'm yet to hear good reasons why the adoption rates for time-of-use tariffs aren't higher. Normally something consistently providing a ~40% cost saving would be popular even if there are sporadic risks.

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u/Appropriate_Bell743 — 3 days ago

Don't have your install done by British Gas

Had an air source heat pump and 15 new radiators fitted in April. The guy who came to do the survey asked me twice if I had my partners permission to have the install done, which was a personal gripe but apparently the beginning of much worse problems.

Install which should have taken one week took 2, so that was 2 weeks without hot water, with 2 small kids. Not a lot of fun but we managed.

Then one of the radiators installed was faulty and didn't work from the start, needed replacing. That happened over 4 weeks later. Luckily the rest worked and didn't really need the heating on.

The radiators downstairs weren't getting very warm, the engineers tried rebalancing but he said the pipes going to the radiators were too narrow. Bearing in mind they have known the size of the pipes since the survey, and the size of the radiators needed. Surely that should have been taken into consideration.

Since beginning of May, the engineer has been saying he will speak to his manager to see what they can do. I've messaged his several times and called british gas themselves and 2 months later, he has now said his manager isn't around and basically it's not his problem any more and good luck. British Gas keep saying they will contact the manager but nothing has happened and I'm ringing them every week with the same response. I've put a complaint in through British gas and will be putting one in with ofgem. So much for their warm home guarantee. I'm stressed and sad and worried my home won't be warm in winter.

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u/Zivasper321 — 3 days ago

System boiler - hot water pump

Hi All,

Can someone please advise if I can use the water pump to increase the hot water pressure in the taps which is currently very slow. I already have one pump installed but i believe that is for central heating?

If I need to install the hot water pump would that heating pump still stay there? Or is there any water pump which can do two jobs (heating and normal water pressure)?

The hot water pressure is very slow, its always been like this ever since we moved to the property 3 years ago.

My cold water tank is in the loft.

u/Sameer-UK — 3 days ago

Got a survey booked for a heat pump. What questions should i be asking the surveyor?

As per the title. Got a survey booked for a heat pump on the 13th. Hopefully we will discuss both options for air source and ground source heat pump to replace my oil boiler. What questions should i be asking the surveyor and what qualifications should i be maing sure they have?

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u/Portas30k — 3 days ago

A bit of final advice before I place my order!

Hi folks, 330m2 house, 1980 build with various upgrades over the years including blown cavity filling, loft roll, loft extension with 100mm celotex everywhere, UFH through half of downstairs with 50mm celotex below..

I've had 3 heat losses done now; a HeatGeek trained installer 11.5kw (proposed 12/13kw Ecoden @ £14k total), local installer 12.2kw (proposed Grant 12kw @ £11k total), Octopus 13.9kw (still haven't quoted due to complexities of the install).

Heat losses were done to 21c (HG) 19c (local) and I'm not sure with Octopus at -3 outside. Flow temps 55c (HG), 48c (local installer) and 50c (Octopus).

I think we are going to go with the local installer and the Grant Aerona R290 12kw. We are right on the cusp re heat loss, but I really don't want to oversize and would rather add more insulation I think if I have any problems. Q1- Is this a sensible approach? Or am I risking a cold house?

On buffers, they've offered 50/75 and 100. I've asked for as small as possible. At 50l we are right on the limit for minimum volume when all zones are closed Q2- Should I do 50 or 75L buffer?

Zoning - We are currently 3 UFH (downstairs) and 2 heating zones (down and up). All radiators have TRVs. Q3- Should I go one big open zone, or keep the zoning. Installers' views have differed on this.

Includes a new 300L cylinder. I’ve got a couple rad changes to do myself.

Many thanks for the help!!

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u/Jay638 — 3 days ago

Heating options - a2a, a2w, gas combi

On the picture you can see that my house is surrounded on 3 sides (it's a back to back terrace) which means there's no external space at the back for an external unit.

At the front, the yard is only just over a metre deep and faces onto the street. There is also very limited frontage space on the actual building, what with window/door apertures and plumbing.

Earlier in the year I had a Heatgeek survey done. While the survey was useful (my heat loss is 5.1kw), I'd hoped that this would be a route to explore different options for my unusual requirement, and unfortunately it wasn't. The only option available was a 5kw external unit mounted at 1st floor level.

That's not completely out of the question, I'm not in a conservation area, but my local council requires planning permission and does not offer any support (which means retaining a planning consultant, which really isn't cheap).

What struck me as possible was a monobloc heat pump unit indoors and vented to the outdoors rather than with an external unit, but I couldn't find anything on the market that matched that description. Those kinds of less obvious options were something I'd hoped for from Heatgeek advice.

Since then, I've planned in some renovations which include interior insulation on the remaining uninsulated section of wall (the 1st floor, which will reduce the heat loss), and replacing the existing Ideal combi boiler which is around 12 years old. This work is taking place in September so I still have time to replan options.

The recent heatwave set me wondering about A2A units (I have 4kw solar + battery), and in looking I accidentally discovered these Trianco units which are exactly what I envisaged:

https://trianco.co.uk/catalog/indoor-air-source-heat-pumps

So now I'm wondering between the following options:

  • a2w Trianco in place of my existing boiler
  • Retain my existing boiler during the renovation, leaving space to put the Trianco or similar in the same location later
  • Retain or replace my existing boiler and install an a2a interior monobloc in the attic room (largest bedroom, used as an office & lounge) to supplement gas heating, using any surplus solar power.

The combi is the only gas appliance in the house, the cooker is induction/electric.

Has anyone got any experience with interior heat pumps like this, or any suggestions/comments about this scenario?

Edit: Yes, I know 1st floor external unit facing the street requires planning permission (see para 4). That's what I'm talking about - it's going to add considerably to the cost to pursue planning, and the Trianco units I've linked above do not have an external unit (and neither do interior monobloc a2a units e.g. Panasonic RAC Solo)

u/cavehare — 4 days ago

Air-to-air solution in North East England

Hi,

I’ve changed my mind from changing my new build gas boiler to an ASHP. I’m looking at air-to-air and seeking a solution for hot water.

Does anyone have experience of this in North East England? I know MCS certification may happen later this year and more suppliers may come onboard but I’ve struggled to make much progress.

I have had a site survey by Durham Air Con, who were great but weren’t so sure on hot water solutions.

I’m being realistic to have this ready for Summer 2027 but would like to get things moving if possible and an idea of cost.

My main pull for removing the gas is for an all-in-one solution to save on the standing charge and to go fully green but I appreciate the more cost effective option may be single or split unit AC and keep the boiler.

Any advice would be gratefully appreciated.

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u/Just_giving_it_a_go — 4 days ago

Gas boilers or heat pumps

Gas boilers still dominate installations. Around 1.5–1.7 million gas boilers are fitted each year, compared with roughly 125,000 heat pumps last year. Heat pump numbers are growing, but gas remains the overwhelming choice. So which way are we actually going?

u/Icy_Marketing_6871 — 6 days ago

Air to air aircon / heating quote

I’ve been looking around at a few places for a quote for a 3:1 multisplit and costing, wondered if anyone else has done the same thing?

I’ve been quoted £6575 from one place, waiting for others… seems a bit steep to me… any advice?

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u/Sonicsteel — 6 days ago

Dry mode

What’s everyone’s opinion on dry mode ? Some say it’s takes way more energy and can cause mold in the unit but some people say you can run it all summer ? ( sorry if this is a dumb question )

u/HuntL33 — 4 days ago

Proving compliance with MCS 020

Hi, I’m looking to install an A2A heat pump with multi split units. The location on the side of my house ticks all the boxes for permitted development rights. However, I’m having trouble finding an MCS accredited installer. How do I demonstrate that an installation falls under permitted development rights without one?

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u/blisseynite — 5 days ago

Heatpump location Octopus limitation or not possible.

Had Octopus out this morning as moving to Solar having got the EV and charger, though might as well go the whole way and replace the gas.

On a positive note my existing Tank was more than capable so it’s just pipe work to that.. then comes the issue.

As the Cosy has a large foot print , they are stating the only place I can have it is next to the family area which is also in the middle of the outside seating area (not a place you want the fan blowing etc).

They can’t fit it where I wanted as point (a) as the pipe work from there over the garage and into the landing would be over 15m
They can’t fit it at point (4) as the width isn’t enough 37 inches - 33 inches
So point (2) is it.. which I don’t want.

My question to those in the know if they can spare a second is could I get away with another option if I didn’t go via octopus and went for a more slimline unit etc.

Thanks in advance

u/Ok-Impact3055 — 5 days ago
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Heat Pump, EV, battery, and solar (UK)

Detached three bedroom house built in 2017.

Definitely a newbie question!

Thinking of getting heat pump through HeatGeeks and got excellent quote but still confused as to the ongoing costs. Got solar and battery and hoping to switch from oil heating but it appears that the ongoing costs might be pretty high against my present Octopus Intelligent Go tariff. Will the heat pump drain the battery and increase my peak electricity?

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u/Trick-Classic6007 — 5 days ago

Midea PortaSplit Stock

Anyone know where to get the Midea PortaSplit in the UK?** **Seems like it’s impossible now after the heatwave

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u/sourfraser — 4 days ago

Octopus "Basic" service plan - £9/month: Any reason not to?

Just had my Daikin ASHP installed by Octopus and they are offering a service plan for £9 per month = £108 per year for an annual service.

From a quick trawl of the internet, the cheapest available independent heat pump service round here seems to be about £150, and the average seems to be more like £200+

Is there any reason I shouldn't go with Octopus for the service plan?

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u/Intelligent_Emu9286 — 5 days ago