Liberal Technocracy

This sub seems to get regular questions asking if a democratic form of Technocracy exists; so I feel that it's time to talk about the ideology I've revived and been developing that is explicitly this.


Yes, a democratic version of Technocracy exists: Liberal Technocracy.

The "Liberal" part, refers to the subscription of many of the Liberal ideals. Specifically: The consent of the governed; which functionally just means belief in (a) democratic system/input.

The Technocracy part, ofc, refers to the subscription to the idea that experts and professionals should be the ones to make policy decisions.

In a Liberal Technocracy, the public establishes the goals that they want the government to achieve (in the vast majority of cases), while the experts and professionals (or "Technocrats", to keep it short) are the ones responsible for implementation of policies that best achieve those goals.

It is a proactive, data and evidence driven system of government, that ensures as much as possible, that society's material conditions remain at least stable, and that works to maximize civil liberties, freedoms, and overall societal satisfaction.


If you wish to learn more about what a Liberal Technocracy would look like in the USA specific: Read up on it here. I will state though that it may change a bit in the future, as I take in feedback from others, and revise how the system would work.

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u/Aven_Osten — 17 hours ago
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Safer Streets: Governor Hochul Invests Nearly $4 Billion Dollars in Public Safety Since Taking Office as State Sees Sustained Reductions in Crime

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u/Aven_Osten — 6 days ago
▲ 313 r/newyork

Governor Hochul Announces $35 Million is Now Available for Public Sector Entities to Install and Operate Electric Vehicle Chargers in New York State

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u/Aven_Osten — 6 days ago
▲ 25 r/newyork

Governor Hochul Celebrates Moog Inc.’s 75th Anniversary and a $150 Million Investment in a New Advanced Integrated Manufacturing Facility

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u/Aven_Osten — 6 days ago

What's your limit to the "If it doesn't hurt anyone, then it's fine" line of thinking?

If you even have a limit, ofc.


Edit to clarify what "limit" means here:

"Limit" means, in this context: "If this person/group surpasses my personal limit for how acceptable a certain aspect, interest, hobby, belief, etc, of themselves is, then I will heavily reduce/completely end any future communication with them at bare minimum; if not go out if my way to warn others about them.".

Example: Some people firmly believe that consumption of pornographic content is so abhorrent, that it is worthy of completely isolating that person from society; or at least themselves and their loved ones, if that isn't a realistic goal.

Another example: Some people believe that if you do not believe in god, then you are an affront for humanity itself, and they must isolate themselves and their loved ones from you, to avoid becoming "godless" or whatever.

Both are examples of things that doesn't cause harm to anyone, yet are concrete limits for many, that determines whether or not they accept/associate with someone/some group.

And for the question regarding what "harm" means: That's a hard one to answer; and any answer I give will have flaws in them. So, I'll try my best to give a clear, consise answer; but it'll inevitably result in any future answer needing clarification on the type of "harm" being done; and if one even really classifies it as such.

My best definition that I can give of "harm" here, is the engagement of any sort of act, or the subscription to any sort of belief, that results in objective, measurable harm done to another individual/group in some shape, way, or form; whether that be socially, economically, mentally, physically, emotionally, etc.

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u/Aven_Osten — 14 days ago

Would you support greater focus on empowering states and localities to care for its people?

Aka: Rather than the current status quo of the responsibility of fixing the country's problems being so heavily pushed on to the federal government, or trying to get the federal government much more involved administratively and fiscally in matters relating to healthcare, social protection, public infrastructure, public services, etc: We instead place greater emphasis on state and local responsibility to help their citizens, while the federal government is delegated to fixing issues that diminishes the ability for states to act autonomously, or issues that just generally cannot be feasibly resolved at the state/local level.

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u/Aven_Osten — 19 days ago
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Gates Circle Roundabout Project Public Meeting Notes

  • Interior of roundabout will not be changed due to historical significance/being in the Historical Register
  • Original concept was a 500 ft by 420 ft rectangular space lined with trees around the perimeter w/ rectangular reflecting pool in center
  • Changes to modes of transportation made the circle less accessible
  • Lane-splitting islands added before was “compromise” to minimize impact to historical nature while improving pedestrian safety
  • Proposed pedestrian crossings, 10 foot wide, two-way bike lanes, lowering entry and exit design speed, provide two access points to interior of circle
  • 596 survey respondents; 60% lived within 1 mile of circle
  • 91% interacted as drivers; 57% as pedestrian; 47% as cyclist
  • 18% typically travelled with child or dependent
  • 69% said made it easier to drive through
  • 27% thought it made it easier to travel through by bike; 28% thought not 28%, said pedestrian 38%
  • 70% do not spend time in center of circle; 12% spend time at least once per month
  • 55% said drivers go too fast and don't adhere to lanes
  • 12 foot wide shared-use sidewalks, bike facilities, physical expansion of circle interior edge, additional greenspace on edge, pedestrian sidewalk, stamped concrete truck apron(s), raised crosswalks, bike ramps, pedestrian-activated stop lights, all proposed in preliminary design

The full presentation can be found in the embed link.

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u/Aven_Osten — 29 days ago
▲ 95 r/newyork

Governor Hochul’s Letter to EPA Administrator: Protect New Yorkers and Accelerate the Niagara and Erie County Radiological Assessment Project

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u/Aven_Osten — 1 month ago

Ground leases taking root in affordable housing deals as costs rise

One method of establishing a LVT that I have supported. I hope this idea spreads to more places; if not any other method of implementation.

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u/Aven_Osten — 1 month ago
▲ 264 r/newyork

Governor Hochul Announces Launch of “Central New York Forward” Project to Address Future Transportation Needs and Prepare for Expected Growth in Northern Onondaga County

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u/Aven_Osten — 1 month ago

Who do you believe should be responsible for providing clarity on what is and isn't constitutional?

I think it's pretty clear to everyone at this point, that the Supreme Court is very partisan; despite its original intent on being a non-partisan and very fact-based legal ruling entity/group.

There's been proposals for a long while now, that aims to resolve the issues caused by the combination of this reality, and the fact that Supreme Court Justices serve for life; the main one being that each Justice serves for an 18 year term, at which point they are up for replacement, and each president gets to replace one said Justice each term they serve.

But I have heard of another proposal recently regarding clarification of the constitution: Make it the legislatures job to clarify what is and isn't constitutional, and the Supreme Court is more delegated as an enforcement entity, rather than an legal-ruling entity.


Are there any other proposals you guys have regarding this? Are the two stated proposals one y'all agree with at all?

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u/Aven_Osten — 1 month ago

What principles are you looking for in a representative/potential head of government?

As we have headed deeper and deeper into the Trump presidency, there has been more and more calls for the Democrat Party to fight to implement their policies, and to energize their own support base to go out and support Democratic causes, rather than just trying to appeal to people/groups further to the right of them; sometimes called "being Republican-Lite".

Parallel to that: There's been ever growing complaints about how the Democratic Party lacks any real/clear moral convictions, principles, and/or vision for the future, to sell to the public; and that the party needs to put up more candidates with such a drive to them and message to sell.


So, with that precursory statement out of the way: I ask anybody reading, what principles, beliefs, vision, etc, you are looking for, in a candidate running for election as a representative/head of government.

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u/Aven_Osten — 1 month ago

How much involvement do you believe the public should have in a government's decision making process?

I ask because any time I point out that one needs to:

  • Go out and vote in every election
  • Message their representatives
  • Attend and speak up at every public meeting and hearing
  • Organize with like-minded people and pressure the government to do what they want

...the stated demands for a government that listens to the people and is highly accountable to it, almost always switches to, "I don't have time for that"; or, "I shouldn't have to do all of that"; or, "I shouldn't have to tell the government how to do its job"; or just any phrase that basically says, "It's not my responsibility to control the government".


I've already settled on how much public participation I want in the government decision making process, accounting for how people actually think and act regarding this; but I'm interested in hearing others opinions/views on exactly how much involvement the public should have in what the government does and doesn't do.

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u/Aven_Osten — 2 months ago

Being non-political is very bad.

It functionally means that one isn't interested in trying to resolve any issues on society in any way, or trying to protect the quality of life currently enjoyed. One is just okay with whatever happens, regardless of it is amazing or horrendous for one's own prosperity, or society's prosperity.

Politics is fundamental to human life and society. It is unavoidable. One may choose to not try to have any impact on what issues are and aren't dealt with—what governments and organizations do and don't do—but they will ALWAYS have an impact on you. So all being "non-political" means, is that one doesn't about care what any group/entity does to you, or society at large; one will just accept it.

u/Aven_Osten — 2 months ago

Why policies that poll well, are rarely implemented.

There's reasons as to why policies that poll well, don't end up translating into actual implementation, that don't get talked about nearly enough.


The first one, is the issue of actual turnout when the policy in question is actually put up to a vote. Polls don't determine what the government does: Turnout does. To highlight this, lets establish a hypothetical:

1000 people are surveyed about whether or not they support X policy. 650 people say they support it; 350 people are against.

Now, the policy is put up to an actual, official vote.

Out of the 650 people who expressed support in the survey, only 163 people actually show up to vote. But for the opposition group, 263 people showed up.

The opposition ends up winning, and gets the policy shot down; despite the polling suggesting that it should've won.

This highlights the critical flaw in using polling to gauge support for a policy: It's not how the government actually gauges what the public does and doesn't want. They look at who's actually showing up.


The second reason, is that voting isn't the end-all-be-all of the decision making process. This is the case in any democracy that I know of; and it is certainly the case in the USA.

One major roadblock that stops the government from building infrastructure quickly and cheaply, is how we handle our environmental review process.

There is no cap to how long it can take. There is no cap to how long the community input period is. We let projects get sued by opposition groups endlessly, until they successfully dilute or outright kill the project.

So when the government proposes, say, turning part/all of a thoroughfare into a BRT/LRT route, or adding in bike lanes, the government is forced to go through that whole exhaustive process; even if there's already a plethora of evidence stating "this is net-positive". And the opposition within the affected area tend to come out in FAR greater numbers than the supporters; further lengthing the time between planning and implementation. And if the project manages to get past all of that: The opposition can just sue the government and try to force it to so XYZ thing to "satisfy" them; further extending the planning period, and implementation period. And all of these things help to balloon the total costs of the project.

And even beyond the community review part: Opponents to a project typically organize far more to oppose even the idea of it, than supporters do. Negative emotions are far stronger than positive ones. And this also translates into votes; which means that they'll end up holding much more power to determine who ends up in office. This disincentivizes potential candidates who support such projects, from running; resulting in candidates who'll support what the opposers support.

And even if the voting doesn't stop such a candidate from winning: The opposition tend to consistently show up to place pressure on the elected official to drastically change their plans, or outright cancel them all together.


A third seldomly mentioned reason, is that certain policies, when the costs to the individual are pointed out, tend to drop significantly in support.

Support to build more housing polls very well; but support craters when the individual costs are mentioned. Single-payer healthcare is also a policy that sees support crater when the costs are mentioned. And as seen in that single-payer survey: Even when the benefits are mentioned, it is a near perfect split between opposition and support.

Now, combine that with the previous two points made, and it becomes even more evident about exactly why a policy that is stated to poll well, ends up not actually getting implemented.


The overall lesson I am trying to instill here, is that it is CRITICAL that those who support XYZ policy, to actually go out and participate in the decision making process to get it implemented. The government doesn’t listen to those who stay home; they listen to who is the largest and is most consistently placing the most pressure on them to do something.

u/Aven_Osten — 2 months ago

What do you think the distribution of powers and responsibilities between the federal government and the states should look like?

With everything that has occurred thus far at the federal level, there’s bound to be at least a small shift in the overall sentiment of how much and how many power(s) and responsibility(ies) the federal and state government(s) should have over certain types of infrastructure, services, programs, and overall policies.

So, I’m interested in seeing if anyone has changed their stance(s) on this compared to 6, 12, 24, etc, months ago. This could be, but is not limited to:

  • Education
  • Healthcare
  • Social services
  • Transportation
  • Utilities
  • Public safety
  • Labor policy
  • Fiscal policy
  • Overall economic development policies
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u/Aven_Osten — 2 months ago