u/BritMeBabyAgain

I get she is above average, and even good at times, but I feel people confused being elite with just being on many seasons.

She kind of reminds me of Cara Maria, lots of camera time and funny confessionals, but her stats rely heavily on being brought back with only small breaks between seasons for the majority of her time on the show.

Compare that to someone like Jenny who had a 4 year gap between Total Madness and Eras, and won off performance. Her own Era 4 alliance was targeting her, and she was expected to get the least amount of Karma Points because she only had 2 prior seasons.

Instead of relying on a built-in alliance, she, like Aviv, created a strong new alliance with Laurel, Rachel, and Johnny to dominate the final (Rachel & her won), while Johnny placed in the top 3.

She seems like a better example of a modern (Era 3 or later) female who can politic, make finals consistently, dominate eliminations, and dailies, while still coming across as likable to fans.

Sure, this isn’t a Jenny thread, but because someone will inevitably ask: “okay, well then who is a better example, if not Tori Deal?” The answer is Jenny.

The funny thing is, people will still put Tori over someone like Jenny and bring up her total stats despite the fact Tori has been on more seasons than even Laurel at this point.

So, if she can’t win a season unless 1 team DQ, 1 injured team default losing an elimination, and the last remaining opposing team quitting on a puzzle, then I just don’t see how she is put up so high.

In this context, this includes women who have only 1 win, or have unimpressive wins (such as Veronica), who need 1 more win to secure their legacy among the greatest.

People focus on solo, or pair wins above teams, so for that reason, I have the women that won at least 2x in a pair or individual season.

So far only 10 women have:

Jenny: Eras, Total Madness
Laurel: All Stars 4, Free Agents
Ashley M.: Final Reckoning, Invasion of Champions

Sarah: Rivals 3, Exes
Paula: Rivals 1 & 2
Camilla: Dirty 30, Exes 2
Cara: Vendettas, Bloodlines

Rachel * Karma Points Eras, The Duel, The Gauntlet 1
Jonna * All Stars 2-3
Kaz * UK Challenge & World Champs

Imagine taking a tour of the Traitors Castle with Sir Alan Cumming between seasons. As he leads you up the grand staircase toward the Roundtable, he stops at a long hallway lined with gold-framed portraits of winners past.

Alan smiles and says:

“Welcome to the Champions Hall of Fame of Seasons Past. If you want to see the Roundtable, follow me... but you may find some surprises along the way!”

Under each portrait is a brass plaque detailing their Name, Identity, Season, an Honorary Title, and a cute caption explaining how they won.

Here is an example

👑 Rob Rausch (Traitor | USA Season 4)

Title: King of the Dagger

Caption: Unrivaled in his ability to backstab his way to victory at the roundtable and the turret. Casualties include Natalie, Lisa, Eric, Mark… and even fellow Rob: Rob C — all in plain sight!

Won 3 / 5 shows played on The Challenge: 60% wins

Won 5 / 5 eliminations: Undefeated.

Has won 27 dailies across 5 seasons.

Won Road Rules: Viewer’s Revenge (the sole season modeled after the Challenge, and NOT an auto-win).

RR: VR — won 2 / 3 eliminations, won 7 dailies and the entire season.

In total, with Road Rules: Viewer’s Revenge

Won 4 / 6 shows

7 / 8 eliminations

Has won 34 dailies across 6 seasons

Did her most recent win in 2010, despite her original Road Rules season being as far back as 1998!

She was 18 years old on her original Road Rules season, and she completed all 14 missions of Road Rules Down Under.

Susie is one of the rare women who won championships on The Challenge in both her 20’s (The Gauntlet 2, The Ruins) and her 30’s (Spring Break Challenge).

Like Evelyn, and Casey, she began her MTV career at 18’

12 year gap from her debut season to her final season which she won!

2 solo wins across different eras and decades.

9 Elimination wins in a row is unrivaled, even by the men.

She placed top 2 across her first 4 seasons, which among women, only Susie Meister was able to do better by winning 2 of those 4, while Laurel only won 1.

To Laurel’s credit, all of Laurel’s 2nd place finishes were in a team of 2-3 crossing the finish line, so hardly a “big team win”.

Is Cara forever chasing Laurel’s record - or can she ever catch up?

We saw Laurel handedly dominate the politics against Cara in AS 4, win against her in the final, and send her home countless times from Free Agents to Invasion of Champions.

Imagine taking a tour of the Traitors Castle with Sir Alan Cumming between seasons. As he leads you up the grand staircase toward the Roundtable, he stops at a long hallway lined with gold-framed portraits of winners past.

Alan smiles and says:

“Welcome to the Champions Hall of Fame of Seasons Past. If you want to see the Roundtable, follow me... but you may find some surprises along the way!”

Under each portrait is a brass plaque detailing their Name, Identity, Nation, Season, an Honorary Title, and a cute caption explaining how they won.

Here is an example

👑 Rob Rausch (Traitor | USA Season 4)

Title: King of the Dagger

Caption: Unrivaled in his ability to backstab his way to victory at the roundtable and the turret. Casualties include Natalie, Lisa, Eric, Mark… and even fellow Rob: Rob C — all in plain sight!

I like that they are incorporating arrival by Train, after seeing them previously arrive by car.

This goes in line with Traitors Canada and UK, and highlights that they really want to ensure we get to meet the cast before they even get to the castle.

Let memorable moments from pre-game get used at the first round table, so they can deduce who is most likely to want to be a Traitor.

See if people who have a specific career stand out (and that’s if they are being honest with everyone else).

Let the surprise twists we don’t even know about really get us!

For the past couple of seasons there has been a Day 1 twist to the game rules.

Boston Rob and Donna Kelce come to mind.

Share your thoughts, and if it feels as exciting as prior seasons!

For example, would Pavarti of Season 2 have done better in Season 1, if she didn’t have to deal with Dan’s misplays?

She would have been able to outplay all of the other Traitors on S1, and Cirie and her have a mutual respect for eachother, that I doubt she would have not shared the $ with her, even if she was recruited.

This mutual respect was shown even in Pavarti’s speech on Australia vs the World’s final tribal council where she says she wishes Cirie had been in the top 3 with her.

She knows Pavarti would work the civilian cast just as well as Cirie, and Cirie would have not taken the risk of her outing her in a pouch reveal speech, vote reveal speech, and banishment speech, because unlike Arie, Pavarti would not have quit the game.

Cirie would play it off as they are equals, but the truth is, Pavarti would only lose with Cirie losing as well, and would only win with Pavarti.

Pavarti simply wouldn’t turn on Cirie, not because she needs her, but because she is loyal and would not want to.

I had no idea the roundtable in USA Season 4 with Natalie leading the charge against Rob would have gone and then ended the way it did.

Natalie led the discussion to suspect Rob, after having spoken with Tara & Johnny that they would want to vote for him.

Tara mentioned in the car back from the mission that because Rob had a dagger (double-count the votes), she wanted to go for Rob the next round, because the dagger would expire, and Johnny agreed.

Natalie still lead the discussion (AT THE ROUND TABLE) by opening about why she would go for Rob, and then Tara chimed in that she wouldn’t be interested in going for Rob.

Natalie and her had a heated exchange, that led to tears and a surprise banishment!

By the end of the roundtable Natalie was banished, having voted for Tara, Tara and everyone else voted for Natalie, and despite not being eliminated, Tara left the boardroom in tears.

Surprisingly, Rob received absolutely ZERO votes at the entire round table, meaning the entire plan fell apart before, during, and after the discussion…

Imagine if Natalie had just waited 1 more day, and then led the charge… but her impatience undid her own plan, and she was left being banished, and Tara is the one who got the sympathy of even Mark Ballas, comforting her because she felt “attacked”.

Like a movie scene, a seemingly fitting background theme song of what life has brought to you begins.

Perhaps you are in a vehicle, and a song is played that you know reminds you of your old friend who moved away. As the fond memory radiates as the lyrics capture something signature in the way they used to speak, behave, or even think, you experience that fleeting moment of urgency (that was long buried in the past).

Nostalgia lasts for a few moments, but urgency can feel like a lifetime, a longing, lingering sense of importance coming all the way through, fully realized at the surface.

Suddenly, you begin to feel the rush of looking them up on Facebook, or something like LinkedIn. You realize it’s their birthday, and the universe has given you the sign to reach out.

A happy birthday message would be a great start… and if they ask, it’s because you heard a song that reminded you of them. You send them the link from YouTube, and when they play it, it shifts their mood as they begin to put the “why” in perspective.

What a moment that is shared between two old friends…

What is your moment?

Sometimes someone has the right idea, or is in a fortunate position, and then it doesn’t turn out as planned.

Pick someone’s strategy or someone in a fortunate position, who seemed like they could have done well if they had just played their position / plan better.

This allows us to focus on where we see a mistake, and where we can improve upon it.

I will put a spoiler tag so that way you can feel free to use the context so others who didn’t see the episode / season can understand.

For example, in Canada, Season 3:

At the Final 4, Lissette had all the pieces to win. She knew Coco was a Traitor because Coco voted to end the game early. She also knew Coco would only target Hollywood, based on statements made at the previous round table.

Instead of weaponizing this knowledge, Lissette voted to banish Coco immediately. This caused a messy 2-1-1 split where Hollywood voted for Lissette. Because Hollywood was now locked against her, Dom chose loyalty to Hollywood over Lissette at the Final 3, banishing her right before the end.

Had Lissette used her vote to eliminate Hollywood at the Final 4 instead, she could have safely banished Coco next with Dom and taken home the grand prize. It is a textbook case of great positioning ruined by poor vote timing.

Name the song(s) you played for your workouts, or when you needed a theme song to get things done.

If you don’t workout, it could be what you play to stay focused on cooking or housework.

For me it was Jake Miller’s song Beast Mode.

Let us know what song has been the theme song to your workouts / get stuff done anthem!

The song itself, and any live performances don’t have to make a difference.

This is strictly from the music video perspective.

For me, it’s Aha’s Take On Me.

Even if it was a Muted music video, it would still be an impressive music video.

Share some of the music videos that proved to be impressive, such as due to the technology limitations at the time, or perhaps it was so far out there it stands out.

Other examples could be a music video that just became a bit of a theme for a generation, like Beautiful by Xtina.

It’s up to you.

Oh, and to make it more inclusive, I can count the Theme Song of a TV show if it is used in the intro or outro, such as Friend’s I’ll Be There For You.

What song(s) did you and your spouse choose for your wedding?

If you aren’t married, what is your couple’s song or even the anniversary song?

Also, it doesn’t have to be the current relationship.

Maybe you and an ex picked out the perfect song, and it still resonates with you today.

It could also be the song you plan to have when you get married some day in the future.

Let us know what song has been the theme to your wedding / relationship!