u/Burnhaven

An AI-built Dyad finder. Opens in browser. Useful? The jury is still out

dyad-voicing-finder.html

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DwmIXc0CkVTW2pmOmzwxNKAzCYMDgKc9/view?usp=sharing

When I look up the same song in the Multitracks Solo Rehearsal Bundle it shows just "electric guitar group" with simpler parts.

See the left guitar ( 02:40 ) ( on top of screen) playing a riff up the neck:

https://youtu.be/1ESaZ8NmeOQ?list=RD1ESaZ8NmeOQ&t=160

I may play the Bethel part at half speed with dotted 8th delay picking up the slack.

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Before pursuing this I'll be checking with my worship leader, but I've "endured" so many months of unpredictable livestream mixes I want to offer some help. In defense of our volunteers, there's only one person handling the mixer and the livestream mix on a given Sunday. Naturally the house mix is their priority.
To the extent there is an opportunity to adjust the livestream mix ( for example if the house was pretty well dialed in at rehearsal earlier) I get the impression they just don't hear what I hear. One plays bass. The others, to my knowledge aren't musicians. One is in training and another has been doing it for years, but still may not hear where the issues are.

I participated on the sound team here for years before joining the band on EG. Anyway I included a few observations from yesterday just as an example of what I may share with the WL.
I'm not going to accuse anybody with a mixer Ipad of making unofficial changes but the keys player is an assistant pastor and keeps such an Ipad on his instrument. :-)

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I got home from service and my wife said on the live stream I was on the phone during the whole worship service....Apparently as I was putting earbuds in just prior to second worship service the video camera froze and stayed that way for the whole worship time ... It looked like I was on my phone..the audio was okay at least as good as it normally gets on the live stream. 🤣

I have the Seymour Duncan Everything axe set in my strat ( Warmoth maple neck) . Lil'59 neck, Duckbucker middle and JbJr bridge. I can't get the JbJr to work well with edge of breakup type music ( modern worship, Tom Petty, John Mayer, early Jesus Culture etc). I can get single note lines ok with the tone control rolled down a bit, but then it's too dark for power chords. I'm thinking it wasn't a great choice for the music I play. I'd definitely like to find a direct drop-in.
These two have been suggested: Seymour duncan Vintage Rail for Strat / SSL-5 (Custom Staggered)

The way I play for the church band involves a lot of Helix snapshot changes plus occasional pickup changes. If I add tone knob changes on top of that I feel it's going to make transitions ( e.g. verse to bridge) take too long.

My worship leader doubted it. Not a big deal, just a harmonically interesting song, unlike most of what I see in PCO.

In this video Bradford shreds it, but I do have to ask about that much "busyness" right over top of the vocals. Or would his guitar be buried behind the vocals in the real world?

https://youtu.be/Wyxe_Ig9VfE

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UPDATE: I MUST HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT SPAN PLUS. It does look like the free version of span has the smoothing feature. The smoothing aspect of Span is great but in my non-professional situation I can't justify $50 to license it so it doesn't pause in demo mode. The JS Frequency Spectrum Analyzer is ok -- how would it compare to this BlueCat product?

Decided to try the Solo Rehearsal Bundle again. I found how to create setlists and access Chartbuilder. Also how to play tracks ( up mix, minus mix etc) in a browser tab. Can that track playing feature be accessed from the standalone chartbuilder ( either on mobile or the windows program) ?
(there doesn't seem to be a subreddit dedicated to these programs for worship)

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UPDATED: I think many of the Helix blocks refer to this as high cut ....I believe in the mixer world it's technically called low pass but regardless through various avenues of research I'm coming to the conclusion that my preset is removing too much of what some call The presence band centered around two kilohertz and the first thing I'm looking at is various blocks like speaker cabinets or parametric eqs that were high cutting around 5K..... because these things operate on a curve that doesn't mean it's completely not touching anything below 5K so that's my question -- if I have a high cut at 7K how far below that is it reaching and to what extent?

Once I get this settled I'll be looking at other things like the treble on the amp the presence setting on the amp and the treble or tone setting in things like the scream 808

A guy I know plays at this church ...at 22 minutes into the video he starts doing that classic palm mute chunking kind of sound.. I'm wondering how to duplicate that I know it's a combination of technique and particular settings... I'm on Helix.. he's using a quad cortex it's not that hard to get an approximation of it but he seems to really have it nailed

https://www.youtube.com/live/9ltnw\_xkK9o?t=1312&is=sY3-8EU1AGMnpqKd

This is interesting regardless of your philosophy about AI ....let's just grant that AI got these ideas and these words from somewhere as opposed to creating them itself.

Question:

" Can you elaborate on this:

"Elevation and Bethel have pushed worship toward material that's arrangement-dependent rather than melody-dependent."

" What I mean is a shift in where the song's *identity* lives.

In a melody-dependent song, the tune carries the thing. "Great Is Thy Faithfulness," "In Christ Alone" — you can play it on one guitar, sing it a cappella, harmonize it four parts, take it slow or brisk, and it's fully itself every time. The melodic contour is distinctive and self-sufficient; the harmony mostly serves it. That makes those songs *arrangement-robust* — you can render them a dozen ways without amputating anything.

The Elevation/Bethel catalog tends to invert that. The melody is deliberately narrow-range, repetitive, small-interval — engineered so anyone in the room can sing it with no vocal athleticism. That's democratic and it works, but it means the melody itself isn't doing the distinctive work. The harmony is usually a four-chord loop that cycles rather than resolves-and-moves-on, so it doesn't create forward motion the way functional hymn harmony does. With melody flattened and harmony static, the "event" of the song has to come from somewhere — and it comes from the arrangement: the dynamic arc, the texture, the ambient wash, and above all the looped moment that builds. The bridge or outro becomes a repeated cell that swells. That's not decoration; it's the payload.

Which is why the recording *is* the song now in a way it never was for a hymn. People learn these off the album or the live video, so the produced artifact is the reference point, not a page in a hymnal. The song was conceived texturally — often written by a band jamming in a room, borrowing pop/EDM grammar of build-and-drop — so it's arrangement-dependent from birth. Strip it down and you haven't given a lean version of the same song; you've removed its content.

You feel this directly as a guitarist. In this idiom the guitar mostly *paints* — swells, big delay and reverb, pad-like sustain, pitch-shimmer — rather than carrying a riff or a countermelody. That textural role is itself a symptom: the instrument is contributing to the arrangement-as-content, not stating a hook the song depends on.

So the practical upshot, back to your Blessing situation: arrangement-dependent songs are arrangement-*fragile*. Abbreviating one isn't like trimming a verse from a hymn — it's cutting the load-bearing wall. A leader who genuinely wants dynamic restraint is better served leaning on melody-dependent repertoire, where restraint costs nothing. Worth noting there's a deliberate counter-movement here too — CityAlight, the Gettys — explicitly writing hymn-like, singable, arrangement-robust songs precisely so a congregation can carry them without the full apparatus. That's not nostalgia; it's a design choice aimed at durability."

This is going to be full of generalizations but something I have noticed is that I've had more than one senior pastor and more than one Church musician and more than one average parishioner tell me that they wish we would play a little louder and more robustly sometimes....not on every song obviously ...

worship leaders are under pressure from a lot of different angles but I can see a concern on their part that the overall effect of the service is worshipful.... it's not a rock concert...

I'm just saying I've observed this tension sometimes where the song selections and how they're rendered is more conservative than what some others in the church may wish for and then of course there's the whole trend in the industry --- what direction is elevation and Bethel going in for example.

We just did elevation's song The Blessing recently and the drummer and keyboard player (who is actually one of the pastors) was hoping we would do the full version in a little bit more robust fashion but on that particular Sunday the worship leader chose to do a little more conservative/ abbreviated version.

There's so much available in this area it's hard to know where to start , but let's just say it's for somebody that's been playing electric guitar for a long time but has a lot of catch up to do in terms of what's useful in a modern worship context .

E. Edwards is a guitarist/music director at Elevation. In this video CJ of Don't Give Up guitar tutorials breaks down some of Edwards' approaches. Diminished chords? R and B ?

https://youtu.be/RFOuXce50yE?si=IQ4dw5JzaMj8Kq5G

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I do most of my preset development in Helix native and then transfer to the hardware prior to the gig .

as I explore different effects and cabinets and so forth I always save frequently to disc and to the current setlist in Helix native.. I'm wondering if there's a way to create a macro that would do those two saves every time you hit a key... mine runs in Reaper but I guess the concept might apply to other daws