u/Cartoonmenismylife

It's very common for people to mention her neglect in writing female characters, which is true. She doesn't pay much attention to writing female characters, for some reason. Some people even said she has some internalized misogyny or at least she's a Fujoshi (=Boy's love fans) and that's why her female character is flatter than male characters etc.

Which is pretty confusing to me. Just because Vivziepop doesn't neglected her male character, dosen't mean she doesn't seem to have prejudice(?) against them.

First of all, have you noticed that almost every male character in this story is consistently a terrible ​father/husband/boyfriend/FWB/friend/older brother​ or at least have potential to be one.

Like, almost all of them. Regardless of their intentions, whether they're deliberately behaving like that or not, whether they're trying their best, they always terrible in at least one of these roles.

Or if they don't, they always described as "well they're too coward or silly to be a threat" (Abel, Sir Pentious , Moxxie)

If they don't have family/partner or a friend it's always "They're just too evil to care about anyone and too selfish to have a family/partner/friend" (Alastor, Striker)

Meanwhile female characters are never defined to be evil because of these roles (mother/sister/girlfriend/friend) but it rather their "influence from environment make them evil" or "they have no choice but to be evil" all the time.

Take a look at Vaggi, (Even she is the morally grey one, not pure evil.) she was created to be an exorcist so she has no choice but to do her job. Or Loona, she maybe rude constantly but she was an mental unstable orphan that probably got emotionally neglected before.

So it's count as "they have no choice" and influence from environment is to blame.

Charlie is a terrible friend to Angel, sure, but it's dosen't present as "evilness" but it's more like "she doesn't mean to" all the time.

Velvette aren't good person either but it's rarely show that she is have anything against our main cast because she just went along with her friends. She is never defined to be evil because one of these roles (mother/sister/girlfriend/friend) either.

I don't know if this is what Viv's intention or just her subconscious but it's kinda weird to me that nobody brings this up before. I didn't try to nitpicking anyone but if they gonna criticise writing about character's gender then why no one addressed elephant in the room?

I know this is out of character for both of them because they're both single and not looking for long-term relationships, especially Alastor and Vox aren't official with Val.

But I have seen this idea everywhere, yet there's no fan-fiction about it, so I started to wonder about what if too. But I think it will definitely add spice to their rivalry and make the SS2 ending when Vox is about to blow up Pentagram City feel more personal?

I know this is out of character for both of them because they're both single and not looking for long-term relationships, especially since Alastor and Vox aren't official with Val.

But I have seen this idea everywhere, yet there's no fan-fiction about it, so I started to wonder about what if too. But I think it will definitely add spice to their rivalry and make the SS2 ending when Vox is about to blow up Pentagram City feel more personal?

Imagine a character being so attractive and so ace icon that makes many people of any age or gender around the world realize their sexuality.

I started to think this is Viv's plan to encourage people to explore their sexuality.

Camilla is just a plot device. She doesn't need this much story. Three songs in SS1 and children or a friend (Zestial). Camilla's daughter and Zestial are like parasites of runtime.

Mimzy is such a nothing character. She should have been an example of how Alastor keeps a "friend" around him as a tool by making them feel like they owed him a favor. Which isn't what happened, and I don't know why Mimzy exists.

Velvette is soooo likable. But she doesn't really have anything to do with the hotel or the protagonists at all, she just went along with her friends and that's it.

Abel... Um, well he's almost nothing. This story would be fine even if he didn't exist.

There are many things that don't need this many stories, such as Vaggi changing her name etc, but these are the main issues for me.

Like, why? It's not like creations are born from eggs or sperm of creators. Why does it count as incest?

Many years ago, I was walking near the edge of a forest when I caught a glimpse of a very tall person ( probably a guy) dressed entirely in red. I only saw the side of his face for a moment. Then, a red circular portal appeared in front of him. He calmly stepped into it, and the portal closed behind him.

The whole thing lasted only a minimum, but I've never forgotten it. I kept asking myself what I had seen.

When I discovered Hazbin Hotel and saw Alastor for the first time. The resemblance immediately brought that memory back to me.

I've wondered ...what was that figure I saw in the woods? And is it possible that someone else saw something similar and used it as inspiration? I know it sounds ridiculous or maybe just a coincidence but it's a question that has stayed with me ever since.

I know people can have types and cartoon characters are made to appeal audience. But why they have to commit with girls and teenager girls' type specifically? Is there any lore reason?

Even Moxxie is what I expect grade 5 girls to describe what's their type. Cute and small demonic guy with bowtie , good at fighting, polite, love his wife etc

Title. Like we all know he's always like this for years but why?

They look sad all the time yet so cute.

Just random thought but he would love IKEA sharks.

I live in a country where Buddhism is the dominant religion, and Buddhism is everywhere here, both in government systems and in community beliefs.

My house is right next to a temple , literally so close that if I open my window, I can see the temple beside my house. Back when I was in school, I had to walk through the temple every day to get to the school located behind it (it not a religious school) I was even close with the dogs the temple kept.

The temple walls are covered with paintings of a Pret (hungry ghosts in Buddhist belief​. They are tortured souls that got punished because they disobeyed their parents or rejected Buddhism while they were alive). One of those paintings showed a pret bleeding all over its body in agony, with the caption: “The Pret who stole temple land.”

I never thought much about it until this morning, when my mother told me that many years ago, my parents legally owned the land our house stands on.

However, the abbot of that temple refused to accept it and tried to force my parents to move away from the area beside the temple. (Apparently, he did this to many of our neighbors as well.)

My parents refused to leave, so he instead attempted to build a temple gate over my parents’ land. Of course, my parents did not allow it.

So they painted that Pret on the temple wall. To insult us.

I think one thing Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss does very differently with male characters is that they’re written through a very obvious female lens.

And I don’t just mean “the guys are hot from women's perspective.”, because yeah, they absolutely are. Almost every major male character is intentionally attractive, cute, charismatic, stylish, shippable, or all of the above. They are what young girls would describe as "ideal boyfriends."

What’s interesting to me is how their power and evilness are portrayed.

For example, Vox being revealed as a former cult leader could have gone in a very stereotypical direction. Real-life male cult leaders are often associated with s4xual exploitation, child brides, coercion, harems, etc. Media written through a more traditional male-centric lens often uses sexual domination as shorthand for male villainy and power.

But Hazbin doesn’t really do that.

Vox’s “evil” is framed more around control, ego, media manipulation, branding, surveillance, attention addiction, parasocial influence — things tied to power and narrative dominance rather than sexual predation.

And I think that changes how the audience emotionally engages with him.

The show wants you to find him entertaining, charismatic, maybe even attractive, without constantly reminding female viewers of real-world gendered violence. The fantasy stays “dangerous,” but in a way that still feels psychologically safe to engage with.

And honestly, Alastor might be the clearest example of this entire approach.

I genuinely cannot think of many male characters who occupy the “one of the strongest x ” role while being designed primarily around elegance instead of intimidation.

Usually, hyper-powerful male villains are built to look:

• monstrous
• physically overwhelming
• hypermasculine
• visibly brutal

But Alastor’s design language is completely different.

He’s slim, theatrical, well-dressed, smiling constantly, speaks politely, moves almost like a performer, and feels more elegant than terrifying at first glance.

His appeal comes from charisma, mystery, confidence, and presentation.

He feels dangerous in the way a charming old radio host or a stage magician feels dangerous, not in the way a giant armored warlord does.

And I honestly think that’s part of why female audiences latched onto him so hard. He’s powerful without being framed through traditional masculine dominance fantasy.

Another thing I noticed is that the series barely uses the classic “femme fatale” archetype at all.

There are attractive women, obviously, but the show rarely frames female villains around:

• seduction
• sexual manipulation
• “deadly sexy woman” tropes
• male fantasy eroticism

Compare that to how common it is in the media for female villains to basically exist as: “hot evil woman in tight clothes.”

Hazbin’s women tend to be written more as chaotic people, emotional disasters, ambitious weirdos, or deeply flawed individuals first, not primarily as sexual temptresses.

Ironically, the characters who receive the most stylized “seductive framing” are often the men.

Which honestly says a lot about whom the intended emotional gaze is centered around.

Same with a lot of the male cast honestly:

• emotionally expressive
• non-traditional masculinity
• softness without losing competence
• villains who are dangerous without being hypersexual predators by default. Or if it is, then their victims are mostly men. Not women.

Even characters like Moxxie feel very specifically designed for female audiences: short, polite, emotional, supportive husband energy, but still capable and cool.

It’s less “alpha male fantasy” and more “highly curated Tumblr sexyman energy with emotional accessibility.”

And honestly? I think that’s a huge part of why the fandom attachment is so intense.