Fixing Despicable Me 4 by moving it's story to second movie instead

His Old boss threatened to kill him if he didn't pay him back and Gru not only sabotages him but probably killed his son until the 4th movie changed it to him being in jail. The first movie shows Gru being pressed by this guy to pay back loans and now he sabotaged him and left his son on the moon possibly dead and screwed him over in billions.

Now it works a lot better Gru would hate being a snitch but would need protection from his old boss especially since his old boss tries to go after the girls to teach Gru what it's like to lose a kid. With this movie we would have more time to explore the girls really and how Gru joined the organization and his relationship with his boss who in his prime say groomed Gru to take his place one day as he wanted someone to keep everything he built alive. Who ignored his red flags as his dad gave up on him or dead and his mom focused more on every new guy she meet but him(this was shown in Gru's origins). He wouldn't get a long with these guys out of jealously so it leaves Gru craving a father figure.

Gru would start questioning his choices at choosing the girls or maybe if he could betray the others and get back in. He could have been handed everything he dreamed of since he was a kid and all the humiliation dirty missions he had to suffer for. Edith could work better than Poppy since it's his daughter who we got to see there bond over the movie not a random girl. We know she has delinquent tendencies maybe in this world she could kleptomania it was a way she survived in the terrible orphanage and but can't let it go. Gru tries to relive his glory days with her at first but instead this later helps Gru realize why he was right to put the criminal life behind him.

Not just for their safety but to be a role model unlike his deadbeat dad and neglective mom which led him being exploited getting over his head and doing things he would regret for the rest of his life. It's implied even in Despicable me 3 Gru used to kill people when he pulls out a gun to shoot Balistar but recalls he doesn't have guns anymore. Agnes and Margo could still be there and not compete for screentime with his wife and the baby and maybe even helping Gru reach this conclusion.

I think Margo got the most focus in the first movie to my knowledge being the one he had to be the mom of her sisters before Gru made her feel like a kid again then again it's been years since I watched it. Despicable me 3 would have the plot of 2 in our world would obviously changes but not too much it would still fit maybe Agnes gets to be in spotlight since Edith and Margo got their turn. Maybe Agnes has a crush on the El Macho's son who is using her to get info on Gru for his dad.

The ending of him saving the world and getting married would be a perfect end to the trilogy. Even the side characters get time to be fleshed out and we learn more about Gru and see his growth leaving perfectly tied up.

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u/Competitive_Crow_334 — 20 hours ago

An Analysis on Peter X MJ impacted by Hydro man in Spiderman the animated series. Warning: Long

Spiderman the animated series has one if not the best storytelling relationship writing rouges gallery in any if not all shows even as a Batman stan who knows more about him and grew up on BTAS and his comics way more and didn't start the show until I was in college and even then I was at first being skeptical comparing to Spectacular.

A lot of Spiderman villains are tropes evil Ex that makes the hero look better with his girl mob boss whose daddy is a poppy pants evil racist CEOs scientists who are disrespected till they snap yet instead of trying to change the wheel it embraces these and polishes the wheel reminding why people loved it so much. I want to talk about an underrated and underutilized villain that stood out more not as good as Green Goblin or Kingpin obviously but still impressive Hydro man.

I think Hydro man is unique in the ways he isn't like Peter he was a nobody before he got the powers and didn't have the great responbility belief but what makes him separate from other Spider man villains including others like Scorpion or Electro meant to Parallel Peter like this. Is that Peter aunt and uncle aren't that required to take care of him there old and struggling and could easily drop him yet they shape his morals no matter how difficult he is which is how he becomes a man and even learns from his mistakes even in relationships Season 1 and treats MJ better and cares more than her just being pretty. He takes more time to get know her interests or care about her aunt and being nice to her even when MJ isn't around even though she is prick to everyone but maybe Aunt may especially him. Hydro Man we don't see his parents but you look at them two ways a positive and negative way. From what's implied about them.

In a negative way they sent him to navy where he could possibly get hurt or worse especially in world as shown by the show and spinoff shows(Like X-Men the animated series has been dangerous for a long time especially for average humans with all the freak accidents and supervillain attacks long before Spiderman even came) just to make him normal rather than taking the time to call him out and guide him. Like Uncle Ben or Aunt may has or even Peter colleagues like Black Cat J Jonah Jameson Robbie and even Flash Thompson(like in Spectacular spiderman show). Which could add more for why he lashes onto MJ more possible issues with being abandoned. In a positive way they tried all they could and sent him hoping for a strong male role model who could bring out the best in him so when he does try again he can have healthier relationship.

Either way Hydro man refusing to change is on him and given how instantly he abuses his powers compared to Peter who wants to see how he can profit from it even in something like Spiderman Mythos where he is being a dick he is still looking out for his people who raised him and still keeps this from MJ for a long time not wanting to endanger her. As I said he gets to know her more and even ends up trusting her with his identity in Season 4 showing how far they both come Hydro Man shows the opposite.

Even other toxic exs in media like example Frankstien in the DCU or Ike Turner in what's love(and sadly real life) got to do with it recognize their issues would make them unappealing and pretend to be sorry and/or is sorry and just downplay what they did. Hydro Man despite knowing MJ for way longer doesn't see her as anything more than a pretty girl even Peter knows how terrible their relationship was when she gets scared of the sound of his voice yet the reason she left he wasn't liked at school or the navy and his parent shipped him off was because he is broke and tries to impress her with jewels. Which goes to show despite MJ for so long he doesn't know anything about her as she doesn't have money issues to my knowledge not even asking for money from her aunt when she leaves to move with Peter and is currently dating Peter who is broke all the time. A lot of people like Hydro Man online have seen woman like this feeling if they insert enough money and false affection the sex while come out like a vending machine.

Even Peter knew how bad their relationship was based on how clearly worried from just hearing his voice. This shows he doesn't see her as anything more than the jewels another prize to convince himself that he isn't the loser he probably deep down knows he still is. It does a great job making the relationship and Peter stronger as a character. That's without counting the clone plot.

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u/Competitive_Crow_334 — 10 days ago