Supergirl 2026 as a standalone is an okay movie at bet(6 to 6.5/10) as an adaption it's horrible especially with how it handles Krem of the yellow hills a very underrated complex character

Supergirl 2026 as a standalone is an okay movie at bet(6 to 6.5/10) as an adaption it's horrible especially with how it handles Krem of the yellow hills a very underrated complex character

To start way smarter people have critiqued it better I recommend some youtubers who bring takes on issues I may have forgot about or if you want more detail on it's issues or shorter easier to understand funny way

Hitop films is more about the writing issues while Ali is more of an expert on Supergirl and there very new so any support would help. I'm not really a huge fan of Pitch Meeting stuff as much as I like the guy he tends dumb down stuff sometimes he is better with mid and objectively bad movies and disagree a bit of stuff like when he says it's bad Krem shoot the dog with a poison that will slowly kill him instead of instantly killing him when Krem is shown as someone who takes joy in torturing anything plus Krypto can resit a lot being kryptonian and the alien was the one that confirmed it would take 3 days not that Krem shoot him with something that takes 3 days specifically.

Hitop flims: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Svuvte-vAww.

Ali's Comic Corner: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmCRWM52RZw&t=6s.

Pitch Meeting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXdaOo7CLyg

I read the book almost twice boring for me at first really enjoyed it later it overexplains a lot with Ruthie no matter how obvious it is and tells instead of shows her relationship with her Dad and discrimination she faced being poor the middle and ending did bring it back up for me.

It works in most cases given Ruthie is an unreliable narrator on others it just keeps the movie from it's potienal it's still an 8/10 at least an 8.5 max I could be wrong but I recommend those haven't read it give it a chance. I'll be going into good later but I brought this up to show the book isn't amazing or even that great improving and instead of taking what worked which is what adaptation should do it often doubles down on the worst dumbs down the messages and lessons or forgets it entirely and isn't impressive or even good on it's own likeable sure. I'll be going mostly how it butchers them as adaptations and even they don't stand well or on there own.

KREM OF THE YELLOW HILLS

The first part was posted when just a few clips and the design showed up but the movie made it worse.

The design is meant to be average to the point of forgettable he isn't special or tough by any means just another mediocre man given authority and tools he shouldn't have nor earned by catering to people worse sides which could easily ended with the purples finding him unworthy and deciding to throw him and other prisoners with the minorities they sacrificed so he isn't really smart and he is practically powerless without them and confuses himself with someone important. Perhaps to feel better about himself or cope with how terrible he is. They made him appear human and didn't go overboard with his design to show that even in this vast beautiful designed advanced alien word the evil we see in man with corrupt cops cartel members etc Tough behind a crowd or a weapon people still exist and very prevalent a theme behind the book a lot as shown with the non subtle Jim crow call back with the blues. In fact the reason he killed Ruthie dad was because he was reminded of how unimportant he is by someone who doesn't know who he really is and did his job. Turning him into a creepy monster with a cool suit. Sidenote they did the opposite with others Ruthie looked human sure but she has a unique design and culture as shown from the items she dresses with her and her red eyes and her helmet.

The movie made this way worse making him a leader and even were planning to add a backstory where he got abused by his dad making him evil if they have time. I have had plenty of abusers who had family who there abusers who made them like this. I'm fully aware I could turn into someone as bad if don't put in the work to help myself and using abuse in a story could spread more awareness that abuse even sexual abuse isn't as simple as people including myself used to think. Abusers can be former victims and even be currently abused victims even SA victims can be abuse and how you can understand the reasons the cycle even feel bad without excusing issue is but it also has to be treated with care and not just an easy way to add ''depth'' to a villain rather than giving them depth.

For one Bloodsport Peacemaker Abaddyo Dr. Frankenstein etc already fill that role so adding that would make him less unique. Which the comic did by not giving him a story krem is distributed yes but his childhood isn't shown because he is meant to show anybody regardless of background could end up like him parents who neglected him because they worked hard all day if he grew up poor or if he was an orphan or if he was just a spoiled rich kid or parents who did everything right and he was just bored with an average life or born bad. I know it's not in the movie but I do believe it would be as poorly handled as almost everything else and further shows the writer misunderstanding Krem villains without backstories and abuse as a storypoint.

Without the Brigidians inviting him it's possible he wouldn't get enough kills to get the Mordu globe and he wouldn't even be much of a threat than your average gangster. Ruthie dad reminded him what a loser he is nobody even recognizes him because he isn't any special in the gang just another face and only came for him out of loyalty but as shown in the ending not only did they soon give up but even without him hundreds of years into the future there still around and have bought the story Ruthie wrote that Supergirl killed him. He lost nearly his whole life maybe he changed and despite his attempts to apologize Ruthie refuses to forgive him and humiliated him and only has himself to blame while the gang moved on without him.

Brigidians can represent a lot of organizations like Cartel Triads or maybe even a corrupt country or government or even the concept of evil it can exist if one hitman serial killer politician or foot soldier goes to jail just fine everyone forgot him to and he is only left with his mistakes at the end the damage he dealt and no way to really to atone or be forgiven for them. He probably won't even have enough time to enjoy his freedom or even get used to world so much has changed probably when he was gone and he has nobody to guide him or spend those last days all for what? They only came to fight Supergirl not out of loyalty to him but because by taking him they were being disrespected and shown how there not as all powerful as they act and quickly flee once Supergirl starts winning.

You can be good as your own thing right except Krem isn't. In fact it's hard to take him seriously as a threat. I know nothing about Ruthie family and her suffering as I will explain later isn't done that well so it's hard to care and what instantly follows her scene is Supergirl having a party and playing with Krypto.

We learn nothing more about Krem over the movie except he does human trafficking which doesn't change anything his personality or lore is still just I enjoy evil and feels like a attempt at shock value rather than to add something to him and the other characters. They still want to kill him anyway. No insecurities no significant rivalries outside of main characters goals or conflicts no expanded life before the movie nothing.

Take Deep in Boys S1 he abuses woman because of his insecurities of his gills being dumb and pretty lame powers as well as being treated like shit by his colleagues Mom and superiors even when he is trying to do good like helping sea animals and he still messes it up he humiliates woman to feel strong like the people he feels mistreated him even though he has enough social skills wealth looks and fame to easily get all the sex he wants even from Starlight a fan of him and gets angry when Starlight is still mad and assumes she would move on because it's part of the business that people should put up with anything. There is also hints of self sabotage there having a fear of genuine relationship or belief that he can so he ruins it before he can risk it as he is too used to being miserable yes he has much more time but you can think of smaller characters who get more with there sexual evil as well as there victims or other characters than just shock value.

Love don't cost a thing 2003: Paris boyfriend is a cheater we never seen much romance between them because their relationship is shallow on both sides. There only dating each other because their expected too and on logic and social side it makes sense. Paris is rich beautiful girl she is a perfect prize for a pro football player to complete the dream life. While for Paris he is good investment so even after she will still have the lavish lifestyle without much or any work thanks to her looks. We see how she uses her looks and status to get out of consequences like joyriding and wrecking her mom's car(I think) when left alone. Plus neither of them spend much or any time together further selling the idea their relationship is really just appearances. So when she bonds with Alvin she has something real through a fake relationship. Eventually sees Alvin turing into someone like her boyfriend her and the rest of her friends and exposes him which allows him to make things right with his real friends who still stuck by him than ending up stuck in performative friendships.

Paris already finds out or is somewhat aware he is cheating on her with a crowd of woman but just puts up with it for the benefits being with Alvin who she found as pathetic at first taught her relationships can be more than something shallow while her boyfriend finds about Alvin he barely cares and pulls the same manipulative tactics because he assumes she would have little respect for herself and come back because it's what's expected he is more angry about the fact it was done with a loser like Alvin than the fact she did it and none of his friends told him or done anything about it despite everyone knowing.

He isn't anything scary because as pitch meeting says Supergirl constantly has to be nerfed because she would wipe the floor with him in a instant sometimes in ways that don't make sense Lobo wasn't even harmed by him and Ruthie a child who is pretty much human and got easily restrained in a previous scene by one guy and got caught trying to sneak off on the Krypton planet nearly killed him was saved by Supergirl in both scenes instead of her telling Lobo to seriously injure him or just tackling him instead of Ruthie.

Supergirl who doesn't trust and sees the worst in everyone chooses to accept a drink from the parents in a shady planet without checking if it's poisoned and these parents say they did it for trade but also instantly try to help her and they have no reason to believe he would keep there end of the bargain and Supergirl has shown to be powerful and already working with Lobo an expert bounty hunter who they have seen and heard his stories. If he were meant to be weak another thug sure it could work but the movie and other characters describe him as ruthless powerful leader.

Maybe he is strategic threat like Luthor oh no he tutored under Sister Sage at BvS Luthor academy of I'm only smart because the writers turned everyone into morons and things happen to go my way despite how they shouldn't until the writers says not.

Supergirl not only taking the drink when he gets there and it not being a trap or her faking it but also him not putting any kryptonite in it as well despite the parents saying the Bridgians gave them the poison as while as her letting him get away and saving him twice. She doesn't think to work with Lobo sooner and instead goes on her own and trusts random aliens who tried to force themselves on ruthie. Good thing she didn't force the aliens to take her to Krem way sooner when she was with Lobo and Ruthie. Good thing Ruthie parents didn't tell there kids to hide and then just blow up the ship which hurt him maybe even used a few on him and stab him while distracted with the swords made of strongest steel while he was coming and they had time to plan.

Good thing she was dumb enough to fall for the Krypton planet trap she couldn't have one check if there a trap and to put a type of suit on and why didn't just attack or capture Kara while she was on the ground instead of letting her get away. Why didn't Krem or his men just track Ruthie when she was bringing water to where Supergirl is hiding or even try to torture her with the Poison they talked about in the start they keep the antidote to taunt them? Why not have Ruthie and Lobo watched even through cameras or put them in separate jails since there both there to kill him and his sidekick and Supergirl could come free them anytime.

I don't even know why Krem is leader of the group how is he taken any more seriously he isn't much stronger he isn't richer or any smarter and even Lobo a professional bounty hunter is after another random guy not him. So he isn't special in this gang and he doesn't have any notable interactions with them and you don't get the feeling they are in danger. He will make a speech take disrespect and won't retaliate try to torture them even delaying the kill to talk until someone comes to save them a lot or leaving.

WORLDBUILDING

The world itself is meant to be bright and colorful to contrast with how dark and unforgiving it is on the inside with the majority of people only concerned for themselves and just 2 young girls are trying to manage understanding their place in it just like with mayvile were everyone tries to pretend everything is fine. Think how in the Watchmen Boys or in Invincible their silly suits or even how they might talk or they environment contrast with the horrible things they going through and/or doing. Over here it's dark and glomming with most of the ones encountered looking dressing and talking like people even their ships and hideouts designed like it.

During the comic we explore a lot of different cultures tragedies rules even dangers like instead of another thieves and murderers it's a dragon that feasts it on technology of the ship the Blues racism issue and keeping a wholesome image to hide there guilt over destroying a whole race even those inferior and lashing it out at any mention. or the Giants being honorable warriors. Instead of Red sun showing other weakness to kryptonians which made it more interesting to see how they especially Ruthie would survive while expanding on the lore of the superman since he had enemies who built it. Here it's a boring dessert like no lighting or creatures to gawk at. Almost everything looks the same even as earth places the danger is just space mobsters. Not just we learn more about the world but so does Ruthie and Supergirl.

Both of them have there own tragedies and found it in them to empathize with others and find purpose even in something as small as giving soup to a disabled patient or letting a giant beat them up so she could feel better.

Yes you could say the comic is long but the movie is an adaption and should have made it a mini series or even longer movie. Movies like Guardians of the Galaxy 1 had it way better we saw the Nova corps and Space Pirates who expolit kids and except to be rewarded for the bare minimum even learned a little history on Kree Oppression the stones and Ronan alliance with Thanos leader of Chinaturi. Alien diversity meant something. Like Drax people taking everything literally and being genocided and even side hustlers. It felt more alive and you got to see more.

Hurts even more that it took only 3 days to explore all of that.

RUTHIE

Ruthie just feels very bland I understand she is secondary character in one kinda short movie but there isn't much personality to her her dialogue is often the same talking about her backstory. I want to kill Krem notmuch to that and murder is wrong even though I killed plenty and so have others including kids. Her flaws aren't too expanded and why she decided murder is wrong.

I'll talk about her comic book counterpart

Her way of speaking has her over complicating everything to seem more grown up and professional despite her clear baby face and lack of understanding of the world makes not only for a lot of funny moments to get across the idea of how cold this world is she has to seek Justice for her own dad who the world cares so little about someone who did everything so right even by his corrupt country rules someone who looks like she should be finger-painting watching barbie etc has to get her own Justice with not even her own mother arguing back against it despite that Ruthie knows she would easily get killed and throws herself head first.

While getting us to know she wants people to think she is way smarter than she is so they don't look down on her for her background as dirt farmer even though at the start she kinda of does the same even lecturing Supergirl on if she every lost anybody like her during there first fight forgetting about Krypton in the moment because she was so angered.

There so poor her Mother is fine throwing her out with one less mouth to feed and her brothers are once again depending on the Gods to deliver their Justice for them as an excuse not to take action themselves despite as shown with Ruthie and her Mom blank look they know nothing is going to down. As well as to downplay how vulnerable and hurt she is to others and seem more than simple dirt farmer over her. Supergirl is kinda of like the Mom she never had. She lost her family simply because Krem wanted to kill someone not because he was offended on being reminded of how much of a forgettable and unimportant man he is by another forgettable and unimportant man who made peace with it even takes pride in it according to Ruthie when talking about the discrimination they faced as dirt farmers which helps us understand her grief more despite barley knowing the guy.

She hides behind Supergirl to handle her problems for her even to scare a guy to quit leaning on her. She is an edgelord who talks about how she fantasises of Krem being at her feet and apologizing promising to devout his life to good and then brutally killing him but she is honorable enough to give him a fair fight. I could go into way more.

In the movie her family have little characterization just disposable wife trope and she doesn't have much either. Wait Ruthie also her turn from scared girl hiding behind Supergirl no it's completely unearned and her personality doesn't change much either. She just changes into a warrior all of sudden. Who despite being easily held by just one guy when Krem attacked drunk Supergirl and also easily getting spotted yet when the plot demands she who is shown to be human strength or similar is able to easily strangle a guy while cuffed mind you someone whose gang can take hits from Supergirl and Lobo. As well as breaking out of Krem's grasp and beating a bunch of his thugs. She chooses to not kill Krem for what reason because she is still good Ruthie has killed in self defense and she believes Supergirl is good who has killed people and later kills Krem. It's just so forced.

Supergirl only knows her for 3 days where as the comics they were around for months giving Supergirl time to teach her sword fighting which she easily did while drunk and depowered and Ruthie to learn from her obsessive watching over her her past as a dirt farmer building her pain tolerance. Also when you have development for stuff there has to be a believable catalyst

Ruthie in the comic while on the planet has to be one to protect Supergirl because she is sick from the red sun planet designed to destroy Superman and they have to wait until night to leave when it's usually the other way and she can't half ass things because someone's life her mentor and mother figure is on the line despite there many arguments which forces her to be creative and patient as the animals are far bigger and stronger as well as using her insane pain tolerance that was established in the first chapter were she easily swam across a dangerous lake while carrying heavy equipment and risking being eaten.

It's major to her growth of growing more as a intelligent warrior rather than acting like it and letting Supergirl handle challenges for her as well or throwing herself at it because she doesn't care if she dies or gets hurt.

So her training so when she beats Krem later it makes sense she learned not to depend on her intellect and unpredictable fighting sure could used some more training scenes of Supergirl teaching Ruthie how to fight given she is shown to be good with a sword even while drunk but it overall worked and shows Ruthie maturity discipline and willingness to push on no matter how helpless counters Krem who hides behind numbers weapons or picking on smaller opponent and hasn't been in real fight in awhile. While Supergirl gives her the support and a hand when she needs it. It's also how Supergirl treats her more than a child. Ruthie comes to lesson that she doesn't want to kill Krem and even convinces Supergirl not to.

If only there was a short say 3 minute scene maybe given some of her background issues with family that wasn't deleted.

LOBO

I understand his role is the guy who corrupts her however for that role to work and he was originally supposed to be in the comic. Lobo doesn't even have any interest outside the prison scene Ruthie would have to admire or relate to him or envy him. Maybe Lobo gets more time to have him but heads with Supergirl and show confliction over her on which side to pick. As well as him having no nuance of course Ruthie would end up to go with her friend Kara then go who killed his own planet and she doesn't do anything wrong in that scene just defends herself hard seeing it as a darker turn. You could say it's a compromise to work with a man a lot like Krem just for revenge but the movie doesn't frame that as a bad thing even Supergirl does.

However she doesn't she just goes with him to find Krem and takes out the guard on her own. You can easily have her make that choice on her saying Supergirl is not enough and going rouge. In fact you can remove Lobo as fun as he is and the story would be better for it. Ruthie can mess with something that blows up the ship a little freeing Supergirl and most goes the same.

Batman vs Robin with Talon a shorter movie has it better you don't really need the prequel much. Robin is shown to be disobedient of Batman he spent his entire life raised to kill for the greater good an over controlling mother who assaulted his dad which is why he was born which as we find out later in movies bruce held anger at the Damian hates himself for it doesn't help she told him when he turned 10. Now Batman wants him to drop everything he learned his whole life instantly is secretive of him and keeps traps to have him locked up inside and assumed he killed the Dollmaker and lashes out instantly despite that he followed orders and it was Talon but he doesn't apologize and expects Damian to go along with whatever he says.

Talon like Damian was raised as a weapon his whole life he just traded one abusive dad for a whole cult. Talon even sees Damian as a younger version of himself and wants to help him avoid being exploited and treated like thrash like the court did to him shaming him for not wanting to die to become an lobotomized solider and girlfriend who manipulates him but refuses to stick up for him when it matters but repeats the cycle without knowing. He gives Damian the freedom to go where he wants takes interests in what he likes and feeds into his urges while helping him justify it as both want to get rid of criminals. Damian beats a mob boss to near death but stops despite Talon egging him on tells Nightwing his dad loves him more because there blood and he just has pity for him but he is also challenged by Batman more like when Talon offers him a choice and Damian chooses to fight and try to kill him so Talon can escape and Bruce goes easy on him even saving him twice and choosing to trust Damian to pick the right choice and takes more accountability for pushing him while still letting him know he can make his own choices Talon didn't make him do anything. Which Talon doesn't and as we see plenty is another victim turned abuser to keep the cycle even trying to kill Damain's family and turn him into lobotomized solider.

I get it's a short movie by why introduce Lobo or any corrupter if not paying it off in satisfying way it doesn't have to be this fleshed out.

SUPERGIRL

Easily the best written character in the movie that's not a high bar and very likeable. I already covered her mostly in the others. Her drunk scenes seems like a fun party where she is popular and at home she having a blast with Krypto this comes after a scene where Krem murders Ruthie family. The tone is off her yes the comic made jokes but they introduced her as lonely sukling in a corner most of it was were more focused on tragedy side loneliness drinking away her issues or any distraction from how miserable it is Over here it's almost painted is something as cool and quirky. I liked the Argo city plotline but it's not only butchers Woman of tomorrow but her history in general.

What she has over Kal is that she remembered what Krypton was and the people there before Argo city. How she broke her own legs with hammers fighting a losing battle watching everyone she loves dies which is why she relates to Ruthie obsession and doesn't want that life for her as even if Ruthie killed Krem the cost would be a lot to get there. I'm fine with changing the Krypto plot a bit even though it does show Supergirl addressing Ruthie problems in her way at the start she is just saying what Clark like she is reading a script sounds robotic and you can tell she doesn't actually believe it so Ruthie meltdown led to her making up the dog excuse so she can still have a reason to guide her in her own way as someone who used to be like her rather than just letting repeating a generic don't kill because it's wrong why.

Supergirl says it would corrupt her revenge won't make her happy and no turning back but we never see why she learned or would believe this you think an obvious reveal that she avenged her planet instead of getting justice and has nothing left or knows someone who did something like that and how it hurt them but no. She just does because the movie needs it.

As well as supergirl adaptations keeps forgetting she is Clark older cousin she was sent to not only live but help him and instead she lost that and now Clark is the mentor figure. So the one thing she has is gone what is her point of being alive?(In her eyes). It also easily adds more to why she disobeys him and doesn't take him as seriously he is still a baby and she should be teaching him.

Like I explained her issues with Ruthie killing don't work she doesn't attempt to restrain her on another planet or strand her with the doctor alien. She brings Ruthie a long knowing Ruthie would be in places where she would have to kill. She gets a guard to fall on the poison spikes and uses her sword lethally so it's just trope of the hero gets to kill the henchman but not the main villain that set them on this path. As well as Supergirl approving of the trafficked kids operating a machine gun and killing there abusers but Ruthie can't kill.

u/Competitive_Crow_334 — 7 days ago

What do you think of this run

Has it's flaws Book 1 mostly Book 2 in my opinion is a major improvement but it still feels like a sequel to a book I never read. Like about Roy Harper drug addiction and death and why I should care about him or how Emi joined Arrow(I don't mean the clock king backstory).

It feels like I'm missing years

u/Competitive_Crow_334 — 11 days ago
▲ 13 r/Aquaman

How faithful is this Aquaman and the characters in it is it a soild story

Even book 1 feels like a sequel to a story I never heard. It's more stuffed and rushed villains than the Authority.

Characters feel undercooked. However I'm still learning a lot on comics and writing but this doesn't feel like the Aquaman I knew from Brave and the Bold and other comics and he doesn't have any chemistry with Y'wara who felt like she just there for a love triangle with Mera. The characters don't have much dynamics with each other.

I could go into more detail but X men the animated series does it thing better even in Season 1 so far

u/Competitive_Crow_334 — 11 days ago

How do I tell if a youtube critic is wrong or if I'm wrong about something or I'm exaggerating or downplaying an issue.

I'm a critic myself I love analyzing media however when I started looking to people to learn from in middle school about writing it was mostly if not all people who had nice editing something being a joke or not to avoid criticism and easy to follow through with my ADHD that missed how bad there like Cinema sins or Alex Meyers or even with good faith soild critics like Just Stop or Sarcastic chorus I would try to critique the way they would without understanding why it works most of the time.

So I had terrible takes like in Highschool when we did a project on the great Gatsby I had pretty bad faith and terrible critiques of it that were shown and explained in the movie like calling wattpad fanfiction and that Butch is the die for ship trope where one partner is made evil so that you root for the other ship or that Daisy not divorcing Tom and wanting her daughter to be a fool so she doesn't understand the cheating is bad writing shouldn't she want her daughter.

I learned a lot since then even in college writing classes but I also learned more of how youtube has no qualifications for critics and not all of them are as obvious as Cinema Sins and Alex Meyers were. I don't mean missing things sometimes sure that's fine everyone is human and I can disagree with a take and understand it's still a good argument but like something actually so bad or even dishonest that it makes you wonder how much else is wrong or straight up lying or if not getting it because I have a social skills problem and developmental disorder.

SUPERMAN 2025 REVIEW

I'm going to use examples of those who aren't anti woke or synder riders since those make it too obvious.

Little platoon made a review twice as long as the Superman movie and in that he used so many logical fallacies complaints Lex has no motive when it was told to us on screen and then complaining it has too much exposition and the examples he used aren't even good or saying that Rocket is what Krypto should have been making the comparison because there animals which makes no sense they have way different personalities and roles. The Engineer being able to keep up with Superman as plot hole even though she was made for that and sacrificed her humanity for it. As well as too many insults against fans complaining the movie explains too much when he thinks he gets it but complaining the movie doesn't explain enough when he doesn't get it. I had to drop it 30 or 50 minutes of just SK debunking him review

Take Writer Brandon video on Superman I thought his advice on writing mistakes made is great for any beginner even though Ant Man already knew how to fight given he is an expert thief and was training with people in Prison way bigger for fun and he makes it sound like he learned how to fight on Wasp level who was trained by her ex superhero Dad within a week. He gave Luthor as an example of a bad villain because he was too whiny and taking it out on his men when he didn't get his way even though Luthor's whole motive is whiny in general he just feels jealous of Superman and compares him to Nolan's Joker who is a complete different character and motives and has no issues taking it out on his people from what I recall or saying that the movie was overstuffed with heroes like Spider-Man 3 was with it's villains.

When the Justice Gang don't get nearly as much focus we know enough about them that there more than background characters and you could argue they take time from his parents who should be the focus it's in no way comparable to Spider-man 3 that juggled Eddie Brock life being ruined by his own actions against Spider-Man and the love triangle while also doing Sandman being Uncle ben's killer his background with his family and his turn to working with Venom and his redemption arc. While also dealing with Harry memory loss and his turn to despising peter and then realizing he didn't kill his dad and then redeeming and dying.

CLASS OF 09 BY BORED ORANGES

Bored Oranges video on Class of 09 was never good I got around to today from the thumbnail it just seemed like he is going to dumb down as much as possible at first I thought it was good but something off the whole time as much I loved the first 2 games and even was such a big part of the fandom I gave people advice on fanfics and stuff and watched a 3 hour Review on the depth of the first game and even wrote a lot myself. SBN3 sucks as a person but art is just not judged by the artist. He seemed to misrepresent stuff almost on purpose too me like saying it's not realistic yet wants to tackle some themes in life which he can't take seriously but pointing to Regular Show and South Park as good examples which also aren't realistic just exaggerated versions of real life where most if not all the cast are jerks. Cartman even had a route where he abused his girlfriend which made a few jokes but was taken seriously nowhere near as overdone as what Family Guy did with Quagmire sister's abusive boyfriend. Same with 09. Regular show makes jokes on murder and harassment regularly but can still take itself seriously when it needs while not feeling out of place. He says Rehab is the only normal ending when Moving out or the Graduation ending is normal.

Jeffery school shooting comes out of nowhere and it makes no sense it's taken seriously where you rewarded in another route for making him do your homework for 4 years. Even though it was just for one semester and Jeffery was excited to do that as he was desperate for any validation from people especially woman even when he knows it's fake since he doesn't get any at home even from his neglectful mother and his porn addiction. He mentions this in the secret messages to her like in the white pride ending he would rather pretend he is liked(which Bored oranges admits is him) where is in the school shooting ending he is made into a social pariah his bullying gets worse and even the principal joins in bullying despite either accidental or on purpose and we see how dresses even in Punisher outfit showing him identifying with the guy taking Justice when the world failed him and losing his silly voice as well as losing his passion to enjoy his Manga.

The school shooting was hinted at from the start he already mentions that Nicole despite roasting the shit out of him she is nice compared to the rest of the school which she is surprised about. If you pick the choice to shame them instead asking him he goes into detail of all his bullying and lets you know he is an inch from snapping and asks Nicole if she wants to end up on his list too. Talking to Jecka about his stepdad's gun. He sees Nicole is treated as someone to root for and her sympathic background is used a free pass from the video message you get from getting all endings. When it was made clear both have issues and refuse to acknlowdge each other suffering and quickly turned into a trauma scaling competition.

Also it's normal to feel bad for a character and still acknowledge their wrong doings. Authors do this all the time even with characters they despise and written that way like Alan Morre did in Watchmen with rorschach or Erick Krepe did with Homelander giving them the most sympathic backstory of all and even having other characters and enemies of them admit to that. The Legend Butcher or Becka did for Homelander or Nite Owl or the therapist did for rorschach.

That Nicole is shown as a person who digs herself into holes and can't tell the difference between being nice and being a pushover having self respect or using it as an excuse to be merciless as the suicide ending shows and that was SBN3 was talking about the consequences of being nice for woman some people as the suicide ending shows take it the wrong way. Jeffery is a victim but when given any type of power or trust especially with woman he will abuse it as the homeless ending shows when he tries to take advantage of Nicole or her guilt of nearly driving him to suicide and he mentions telling woman he is into wild porn getting them to freak out and run away.

Jecka is also used to call out Nicole many times especially in the Re-up where he says it's out of character for her from what I recall but this is also addressed in the bullying a gay girl straight route by Nicole Jecka asks her what's her justification for the others when see picks on Men she uses her misandry as an excuse she has nothing for Ari and is also shows she has nothing to excuse herself when she ends up in jail. Jecka means more than a random nice person because she is someone awful too who Nicole makes friends with just wanting someone to encourage her choices.

Another thing is he complains about the men being villainous which yeah I get there not really creative Jeffery is the only real fleshed out one but he also uses it to represent the Game's beliefs that Nicole isn't doing anything wrong and all of them are like this when it's shown in game trody is shown as kinda of normal so is EMT Guy Lawyer Mr Kratz and Buerlandy(at least until flipside which was made to piss off the fanbase). Nicole says only 20% are like that in exposing Mrs. Lyn in the graduation ending and in the first game her Mother admits she has lied in the past and she is shown to lie on what she believes is a teacher whose only problem is that he sent her to the principal's office and she is given many chances to easily avoid escalating things.

Plus when I looked up more turns it there screenshots of him being informed on discord in his Andy and Leley video that Renee wasn't butchered when she let her kids be sold into human trafficking and was pointing to episode 3 and other ending and turns it out he only played a small part of the game and made a review based off limited info he admits it on discord but refuses to correct it to his audience to my knowledge or even addresses the comments that point it out.

I'm fine with things I enjoy being torn up and exposed for the mess it is but at least they have to understand what the thing there complaining about is going for and why it doesn't work then just dumbing it down making false compressions . Take how SK did with Friendly neighborhood Spider-man and the Tom holland Spider-man trilogy or Failing at Superman Man of Steel retrospective by Tsudonym or Fantastic Four: First Steps IS BAD, ACTUALLY by Edward Rigby. I won't go into detail since this was long enough I think you should just watch the videos yourself.

So I know what I want but how can I be sure I'm not being mislead again or if I'm just too prideful to admit I'm wrong and/or misunderstanding a critique.

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u/Competitive_Crow_334 — 15 days ago
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What do you think of Gotham City Year 1

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Loved it a tier above Woman of Tomorrow didn't use unesscary expostion or using it instead of showing like it had less characters and time and made the most of it. I'm a sucker for morally complex or straight up villainous cast. It uses it's 90s setting for more than set dressing like Caped Crusader.

From how I choose to interpret it what it shows Gotham was always corrupt. I personally like Gotham as a beautiful city on the outside dirty on inside which it does well. It's focus is it's appearance than it's most vulnerable citizens the poor the addicts sex workers especially childern addicts etc.

People didn't see it because it didn't effect them for the most part or like with some people with depression it's easier to mistake a lesser evil time in life to cope with the current terrible state.

As well as the crimes the Commissioner bragged about solving were for the most part easy ones were a majority confessed and the rest made it obvious and then does lesser of two evil issue as if it makes it better.

Slam Bradey is part of those people passed off as being white kept his mother secert he didn't look into his brother death at the hands of corrupt cops while there for awhile looked the other way on the cops and commissioner corruption under the guise of it keeps the city safe or might even have participated until he found out his brother was another staststic.

Turning his back on his people and his mother for the privileges of the same people who killed his brother and many others in the name of the greater good that they also used.

Slam Bradey self loathing over not saving the baby in time and letting Constance walk free despite all she did to him and the city but also not rasing Thomas who could be his own kid and potienally letting him turn out like his parents choose to see it that way.

I don't know if it's on purpose but he is a great parllel to Year 1 Gordon backstory both were in the milltary and later became cops. Both lost their great job because of choosing to do the right thing. Slam twice who confrimed he did crimes in the milltary and was instead caught and held accountable for beating up a admrial. Both learned doing the right thing against their bosses or colleagues makes things harder for them and often goes nowhere.

Gordon choose to try and give that up to make the best of a bad siatuion for his family. However decided other people have families and lives they deserve protection no matter his risk but won't bring himself to harm Flass and the others in front of there families it's even the reason he refuses to kill despite having an easy chance to pin it on his many enimies.

Flass as corrupt and egostical as he is is shown to be nice enough to take out the garbage for his family implying he is probably a different person with them or even not they desvere to see him held accountable that not even the position of power he is given protects him.

While Slam doesn't care until it effects someone he cares about his image of himself his morals and the city even if it means being beaten or killed.

He encourages them and even parcipates it still like breaking into an black man house and beating him because he heard a baby crying and then handwaving it away because he happened to be right that it was on the man's property despite him not knowing about it or attacking the Bodyguard Leron(I think) at his home in front of Wife at night despite many easier ways to do it without risking them calling the cops and further charges. Possibly to humiliate him as he feels let his family know what he has to deal with.

The only times he doesn't excuse beating on him is Richard Wayne not even once and getting back at Commissioner for beating him despite considering it almost a honor for calling him out on the baby.

I think both tie to his childhood Richard Wayne and Commsioner reminds him of his dad who abonded him once he got his fun with mother possibly forcing him to be man of the house on top as well as the moronic cheaters he deals with regularly as a private detective

Richard has it easy everything Slam and most citzens ever wanted and he wastes it openly calling his wife a whore and tries to build something that would hurt his kind more in the long term which Slam sometimes pretends to care about. Simalir with Commissioner in a way probably reminds him of his Dad by going out to cheat Slam basically worships the Commissioner position and sees the Commissioner as making mockery of it and calling him out on the baby.

We see Queenie like this blaming it on Wayne manipulating her when she has to talk to Slams Mother but as more cards are shown she finds it harder to deny her nature that she had a choice to help him and it lead to her Uncle being attacked neglected the baby dying from sickness as well as being on the front lines for Richard Wayne taking all the blame if anything goes wrong. It was when she belived he ditched her and without bothering to try reaching him as if she knew something like this would happen deep down does she want to help.

Takes two to tango and like most people who work with blantly corrupt people and/or cheat with cheaters stupidly assumed that there were special.

I don't want to victim blame even though it might be possible Constance faked it for sympathy but Richard is corrupt outside his marriage like the building he made that was harmful to minorities home and also assumed it wouldn't be directed at her. Which is why she identifies with Queenie and excuses her.

Since Watchmen and V for Vendetta I haven't read a story let alone the comic where any of the villain wins which I think could happen more often to keep things fresh. For watching recommend Gone Girl(Andy) Class of Deathnote(Ryk) the DCAU(Mercy Graves Amanda Waller)

Stories that don't do it terribly like BvS Lex Luthor Static Shock Alvin(the CEO who caused the big bang) Merlin Arrow S3 where the villain escapes not because there smarter but because the plot has their foes act out of their character has them dumbed downn and/or gives them a future script. Makes it feel less earned.

I do like it more when it's a win with some consequences for the rest of her life her potential baby daddy will despise her and she lost anyone who could see her and still sympathize with her and have to put up with friends who cheated with her Husband in order to maintain the image and will never know if she will be betrayed again. The rise in her smoking possibly from the stress of this killed her.

Slam Bradley did get good growth he belived outside cheating that people including those as special as the Waynes couldn't harm their own families and his bias for Woman and authority and the need to keep the image of peace made him to let Constance get away and while she did fix the riots she did go on to hurt more people the city in the long term and possibly there son could have turned out like them or not street smart enough like him to actually fix the problems.

Negatives

The mystery rather than some detective work is solved because one of the bodyguards happen to know about Richard Wayne being broke and that they work for the wife and that leads him to the truth then feeling a bit more earned.

I do wish we spent more time on Slam Brady's past tho we don't know his Brother outside what's been told to us as well as his childhood and his Mother. All we know is she does fortune telling how did she raise him that he ended up like this. Did she put up with abusive boyfriends was she an abuser herself did she coddle him or even use emotional incest due to losing the other boys in her life.

We don't see much of Constance and Richard Backstory not much of a problem keeps things mysterious but I would like to explore it to see the wealthier side of the Gotham the backstabbing fake friends Constance described. Like how the Great Gatsby movie showed us some of the wife background being pressured to be with Tom by her family despite not wanting to even wishing to wait for Gatsby.

u/Competitive_Crow_334 — 23 days ago

Wonder Woman Earth one is easily the worst of Earth one comics and hopefully the worst Wonder Woman Story

I've been catching up on comics lately these 3 are all different more mature takes meant to stay true to the character. Superman earth one was soild but needed another volume and to flesh out the villains better. Batman earth one is almost perfect.

Wonder Woman earth 1 started off good with issues 2 was horrible 3 doubled down on everything was offensive in terms of quality and morals. Long rant ahead

Volume 1 8.5/10

It spends a lot of time introducing characters and flashbacks and the queen giving up her power doesn't make much sense wouldn't she be more worried now that the world knows the existence of her daughter and be prepared for war but it's still pretty good. Wonder woman mom is still my favorite in this volume the best we get a flashback to her days under Hercules rule it does a great job making us feel sad for her and her people the atmosphere being all dirty and dark compared to present day where Paradise Island is bright hopeful beautiful shows a lot of how it changed and how far she and the amazons have came.

Also how she says submission and control are loving it reminds me of Hercules in the start who was dominating Wonder woman's mother and told her to play along like she had a choice. Clearly it shows he still has a lot of influence on her even thousands of years later despite the sunny bright environment some part is still mentally under his rule.

I think this is a great way of showing how abuse can still affect people long after the abuser leaves even in a better environment and sets up the story nicely. I get what it's going for Diana showing a collar to Steve and wanting people to submit to her so it's clear she sees this as a normal thing. It's funny and gives a chance for great banter with other characters while expanding on hers. Her mother learned toxic ideas of love from Hercules and now her Mother passing onto her. I also find it great how when Medusa attacked she immeadtily knew it was her mom showing she thinks very low of her despite loving her.

At first I thought she was using Steve as an excuse to leave for adventure as she made it clear she is bored there in her mother fantasy land where despite all her powers she just has pretend to be Hercules and get beaten by her girlfriend. She wants to do something more with her powers and unlike the others she wasn't around during Hercules attack so she doesn't know how offensive the mask really is or why they want to stay beyond what's she told. So both of them having very sympathic motives right and wrong in their own ways. However when she visits the hospital and sees Woman in pain dying of old age or diseases something she never had to deal with her adventurous spirt immeadtily breaks and suddenly she just wants to go home. When things were more simple and peaceful.

Also I liked how the military generals went straight to business no concern like asking about if Steve is okay their only concern is what Steve can do for them by trying to get him to help them by applying to his patriotism to get where Wonder woman is from. Shows how people in power often see those who work under them as tools than humans but still expect duty from him. Wonder woman doesn't know him and she puts his well being first even though her society and her love taught her he has to be killed while this people think so low of him they admit they would have drugged him to get the truth out of him of where the island for their own benefits.

Despite the generals portraying the amazons and Wonder woman as wild animals they and Wonder woman herself are more civilized than them so far. The only issues are the flashbacks to her trail are kinda of spoilers and make the story less interesting because we know where it's going and as I said the Queen giving up her power makes no sense. It's still a great read and you can end it here.

Volume 2. 3/10

It falls off from here. For one Steve is pretty boring it was fine in V1 where the focus wasn't much on him however unlike Etta candy or Wonder woman's mother he doesn't have any personality background with family or struggles he is just there unlike Year one or Justice league he is just the friend she likes(she has other people she likes including a girlfriend she already has a much more interesting thing with that is sidelined) at least Etta candy did something and she is just a college frat girl but he couldn't get any dirt on Physco with military connections.

Despite the fact Physco has a wife and a youtube channel showing his methods. Dr Physco is too cartoonish to take seriously. Wonder Woman might not fully trust her mom but she was still trained to be weary of people especially men and even her friends could have easily looked into his background how did he end up getting close and wouldn't this trace back to Maxwell lord and end badly for him.

He doesn't try to use Physco to make Wonder woman a sleeper agent against the amazon and win he gets a device out of thin air to control the Baroness he doesn't use her as a sleeper agent like to destroy the island somehow but just kill the queen making Diana take over and angry enough to declare war. Maxwell lord got her to attack the Queen killing her speaking of which if the Queen knows from the fates she is at risk how comes she doesn't have herself guarded and keep the Barron away who she suspects is a traitor.

Maxwell Lord plan sucks so he makes the amazons declare war how does this benefit him in anyway yeah he has robots that are untested but they have much better technology and experience as he should know from book 1 access to mythical creatures like Medusa whose power he doesn't know and Wonder woman who he hasn't studied enough and the Baroness who could have won WW2 on her own he is goal is too use robots to attack them he hasn't tested or built to counter them in anyway. Alistair Smythe or not J Jonah Jameson does this better they have people study the hero(Ben 10/Spiderman) and built robots to counter their powers over here he has no clear plan whatsoever. I tried to give him the benefit of the doubt maybe he is just a dumb CEO exaggerating his abelites but it gets worse.

There is also how problematic the Baroness was handled she is forced to crush on Wonder woman and the Queen yes she is a Nazi doesn't make it okay. If it was portrayed as a wrong or even flawed it would work but it doesn't nobody even acknlowdge how messed up it the queen isn't called out just nothing it contradicts Diana being a freedom fighter.

Volume 3 1/10

Volume 3 is the worst one to me all the issues are heightened the fast forward ruins any possible tensions because you know wonder woman is going to get what she wants. Maxwell Lord is a grounded chess player threat suddenly revalves himself to be Ares which opens up a lot of plot holes as too why he didn't take over the world and attack the amazons centuries ago? Why is he trying this dumb robots plan he should know how poorly it would turn out given he should have a lot of information on them.

Steve Trevor gets a bit more depth sure but even his conversation with the general is more about Wonder woman and his relationship means nothing since she barley reacts to his death and ends up brining him back and she already dating plenty of other woman so their is nothing special about their relationship. Wonder Woman kissing Artemis goes nowhere and feels like fanservice it's especially weird given Artemis just mentions raising her that's grooming and they didn't even bother to hide it.

Wonder woman doesn't change anything she just becomes the weapon her mother said she made her as and it's treated as something good the sexists are cartoonishly evil like it feels like it's a Velma parody same with the feminists it feels like something made to mock them making it hard to take it seriously. Wonder Woman goes through no struggle even in the final fight she easily tears it to pieces so did the Amazons. Also you can't excuse Maxwell lord anymore by saying he was overconfident in his abilities because as Ares he would know how powerful the amazons are especially given how they killed Hercules. Also her loving submission thing is never called out and she ends up conquering the world and reducing men to pets being the weapon people accused her of. Where is Superman during this I get it's not his story but surely the military would try to use him or the Luthor power couple to help attack the amazons.

I know new 52 is hated on this sub but I read lords and liars out of order and it did Maxwell Lord way more Justice than this comic as a threat and interesting character. Ares/Maxwell Lord has no personal rivalry with Wonder woman he never even meets her person and dies from using the robot when he could easily make someone else do it. In Batman Earth one he suspects Penguin of killing his parents and is dating Dent's sister and had a rivalry with Dent since childhood. Superman already has his background from Krypton with Zod and Thrull and with Parasite getting his powers from experiments on Kryptonan technology and using to commit more murder. She has no interesting struggles relationships or anything.

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u/Competitive_Crow_334 — 1 month ago
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Hot take: I don't think the Deep does the man who refuses to change that well

I rewatched all 3 seasons so far and I'm onto to do Gen 4 and the rest later.

However as much as I love him the issue being is that he is back the same stuff with no explanation or scenes. Yes I understand him apologizing to Starlight was only after he meet her on the beach and victimizing himself both in S2 and S3. I also understand people in real life can be open and feel bad and then change their mind later.

However he was still drugged and forced to confront his feelings by his gills representing his consciousness and had a nice scene as well as his talk with Eagle the Hunter and his teacher. Sure he won't immeadtily be perfect and would deftinely give the church a pass on a lot of things and even himself to get back in the 7 but at least it gave enough idea he found out what he did was wrong why he is doing it and seems to want to change. Yet he is back to being evil and even admits it a few episodes later despite that he was confronted and forced to admit by his own mind so he can't lie his way out. When he does try to make amends it's clear he is manipulating them for his own end like with Starlight on the beach or even with Queen Maeve.

This to my knowledge is also the season he is given to chance by someone to guide him to change and/or jumpstart. It's even harder to buy he was a man given a lot of chances since the only chance he had is when he was kicked out and/or taken advantage of by a cult or when Starlight for some reason leaves Hughie with O-father and Homelander who are far more dangerous to take him out the middle of beach even though she could just ditch him there to fight him where her powers are weaker. Even if she did want to change him why not do it later or before the Homelander fight. Her reasoning for doing it or giving him a chance is pretty weak

Jax from Digital Circus spoilers does multiple chances ruined much better

Jax was given in a chance in the real world to wait until he is 18 and has some money to leave or to call an ambulance and/or lawyer and claim self defense. Yet he makes himself look guilty by running. He was given a chance by Ribbit and Kafumo. Ribbit especially given her humor mixes with his and even if her origin isn't as bad who understands leaving abusive parents is painful and not getting closure with them due to being stuck in the Circus. Ragatha has abusive mother and Gangle has masking issues too who decided to use them as punching bags instead. Gangle and Zobble his biggest enemies even invited him into the group with zero effort required for group therapy as they understand they have their own mistakes and as well as when Pomni and Kinger was teaching everyone to build the circus again.

Jax chooses to oversimplify things than accept how complex things and people are and how miserable he is ignoring the issue until it eventually blows up which is line with many suicidal and/or self sabotaging people experiences including my own. Being miserable is easier than taking a chance to be happy and quickly learns that's not what he wants by the time it's too late. It's much more interesting because people who can understand him in way that makes sense with their characters rather than his one chance trying to exploit him or acting out of character for a point.

I think it would have been better if he wanted to make things right with Starlight and the others he hurt like actually trying to help her and mom relationship since he didn't get a chance with his Mom or even giving Queen Maeve the video for good or having more confliction over ditching Eagle or maybe finding Hughie and letting him walk. However changing requires consistency and more and more work and sometimes you might not even be forgiven it can't be a big act that makes up everything like in 20 minute sitcom show(Bojack Horseman another character who does this right and even then he got lucky enough to survive where Jax didn't). Deep is used to things being handed to him and/or doesn't want to start at the bottom again even if it's the right way or more and chooses to turn again.

After the Church goes which not that much is done with them in Season 2 which could be interesting seeing Deep facing the consequences of standing up for himself for once. The Church leader showing him. He kinda of lacks a purpose. Yeah I get his thing with fish they accept him and don't treat him like the loser he is like everyone else.

The supes being degenerates in mostly the same ways just edgy gross sex are way too common so it doesn't give him that much and you can easily pass this reason to even the twins who were part of payback they throw herogasam for easy acceptance and ignoring what miserable losers they are. A train sells out his people and other minorities suffering for easy acceptance and to ignore what a miserable loser he is. Homelander wants the world's approval and almost any figure benath him to ignore what a miserable loser he is.

does but others are given way more to do and unique as well. He had his clout chaser girlfriend who had some feelings but didn't really respect him sure but so did Homelander with Madilyn Stilwell and A train with Popclaw which affects them for multiple seasons.

I think she works okay enough she ignored how awful he is and then dropped him the moment it affected her and then tries to stay as relevant as she can for a little while but I don't see how it affects Deep much more than before he still just fucks animals and remove him a bit sooner that's it you could give that Homelander and it doesn't change too much.

Maybe I'm being a moron here but I would really like someone to help me understand if my issue is real or not.

u/Competitive_Crow_334 — 1 month ago

Fixing Despicable Me 4 by moving it's story to second movie instead

His Old boss threatened to kill him if he didn't pay him back and Gru not only sabotages him but probably killed his son until the 4th movie changed it to him being in jail. The first movie shows Gru being pressed by this guy to pay back loans and now he sabotaged him and left his son on the moon possibly dead and screwed him over in billions.

Now it works a lot better Gru would hate being a snitch but would need protection from his old boss especially since his old boss tries to go after the girls to teach Gru what it's like to lose a kid. With this movie we would have more time to explore the girls really and how Gru joined the organization and his relationship with his boss who in his prime say groomed Gru to take his place one day as he wanted someone to keep everything he built alive. Who ignored his red flags as his dad gave up on him or dead and his mom focused more on every new guy she meet but him(this was shown in Gru's origins). He wouldn't get a long with these guys out of jealously so it leaves Gru craving a father figure.

Gru would start questioning his choices at choosing the girls or maybe if he could betray the others and get back in. He could have been handed everything he dreamed of since he was a kid and all the humiliation dirty missions he had to suffer for. Edith could work better than Poppy since it's his daughter who we got to see there bond over the movie not a random girl. We know she has delinquent tendencies maybe in this world she could kleptomania it was a way she survived in the terrible orphanage and but can't let it go. Gru tries to relive his glory days with her at first but instead this later helps Gru realize why he was right to put the criminal life behind him.

Not just for their safety but to be a role model unlike his deadbeat dad and neglective mom which led him being exploited getting over his head and doing things he would regret for the rest of his life. It's implied even in Despicable me 3 Gru used to kill people when he pulls out a gun to shoot Balistar but recalls he doesn't have guns anymore. Agnes and Margo could still be there and not compete for screentime with his wife and the baby and maybe even helping Gru reach this conclusion.

I think Margo got the most focus in the first movie to my knowledge being the one he had to be the mom of her sisters before Gru made her feel like a kid again then again it's been years since I watched it. Despicable me 3 would have the plot of 2 in our world would obviously changes but not too much it would still fit maybe Agnes gets to be in spotlight since Edith and Margo got their turn. Maybe Agnes has a crush on the El Macho's son who is using her to get info on Gru for his dad.

The ending of him saving the world and getting married would be a perfect end to the trilogy. Even the side characters get time to be fleshed out and we learn more about Gru and see his growth leaving perfectly tied up.

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u/Competitive_Crow_334 — 2 months ago

An Analysis on Peter X MJ impacted by Hydro man in Spiderman the animated series. Warning: Long

Spiderman the animated series has one if not the best storytelling relationship writing rouges gallery in any if not all shows even as a Batman stan who knows more about him and grew up on BTAS and his comics way more and didn't start the show until I was in college and even then I was at first being skeptical comparing to Spectacular.

A lot of Spiderman villains are tropes evil Ex that makes the hero look better with his girl mob boss whose daddy is a poppy pants evil racist CEOs scientists who are disrespected till they snap yet instead of trying to change the wheel it embraces these and polishes the wheel reminding why people loved it so much. I want to talk about an underrated and underutilized villain that stood out more not as good as Green Goblin or Kingpin obviously but still impressive Hydro man.

I think Hydro man is unique in the ways he isn't like Peter he was a nobody before he got the powers and didn't have the great responbility belief but what makes him separate from other Spider man villains including others like Scorpion or Electro meant to Parallel Peter like this. Is that Peter aunt and uncle aren't that required to take care of him there old and struggling and could easily drop him yet they shape his morals no matter how difficult he is which is how he becomes a man and even learns from his mistakes even in relationships Season 1 and treats MJ better and cares more than her just being pretty. He takes more time to get know her interests or care about her aunt and being nice to her even when MJ isn't around even though she is prick to everyone but maybe Aunt may especially him. Hydro Man we don't see his parents but you look at them two ways a positive and negative way. From what's implied about them.

In a negative way they sent him to navy where he could possibly get hurt or worse especially in world as shown by the show and spinoff shows(Like X-Men the animated series has been dangerous for a long time especially for average humans with all the freak accidents and supervillain attacks long before Spiderman even came) just to make him normal rather than taking the time to call him out and guide him. Like Uncle Ben or Aunt may has or even Peter colleagues like Black Cat J Jonah Jameson Robbie and even Flash Thompson(like in Spectacular spiderman show). Which could add more for why he lashes onto MJ more possible issues with being abandoned. In a positive way they tried all they could and sent him hoping for a strong male role model who could bring out the best in him so when he does try again he can have healthier relationship.

Either way Hydro man refusing to change is on him and given how instantly he abuses his powers compared to Peter who wants to see how he can profit from it even in something like Spiderman Mythos where he is being a dick he is still looking out for his people who raised him and still keeps this from MJ for a long time not wanting to endanger her. As I said he gets to know her more and even ends up trusting her with his identity in Season 4 showing how far they both come Hydro Man shows the opposite.

Even other toxic exs in media like example Frankstien in the DCU or Ike Turner in what's love(and sadly real life) got to do with it recognize their issues would make them unappealing and pretend to be sorry and/or is sorry and just downplay what they did. Hydro Man despite knowing MJ for way longer doesn't see her as anything more than a pretty girl even Peter knows how terrible their relationship was when she gets scared of the sound of his voice yet the reason she left he wasn't liked at school or the navy and his parent shipped him off was because he is broke and tries to impress her with jewels. Which goes to show despite MJ for so long he doesn't know anything about her as she doesn't have money issues to my knowledge not even asking for money from her aunt when she leaves to move with Peter and is currently dating Peter who is broke all the time. A lot of people like Hydro Man online have seen woman like this feeling if they insert enough money and false affection the sex while come out like a vending machine.

Even Peter knew how bad their relationship was based on how clearly worried from just hearing his voice. This shows he doesn't see her as anything more than the jewels another prize to convince himself that he isn't the loser he probably deep down knows he still is. It does a great job making the relationship and Peter stronger as a character. That's without counting the clone plot.

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u/Competitive_Crow_334 — 2 months ago