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Fox when trying to adapt the Dark Phoenix Saga
Admittedly, I actually love both Last Stand and Dark Phoenix!
Things I would have rewritten for Mike’s role in Season 4
First off, I wouldn’t have had Will be with Mike and El in the Rink-O-Mania since I think it would’ve been better if Mike found out that El was lying to him on his own instead of learning it secondhand, it’d add more to his shock after El smashed Angela’s face with a roller skate.
Bonus, I would’ve removed Mike’s line, “She didn’t look fine,” since that did kinda make him look pretty inconsiderate or maybe a little callous towards El’s feelings in that moment. Especially since it sounds like an offhand dig towards her, like I get he was in shock and all but this didnt make him look good.
A MAJOR change is that I would have had Mike be with El in the Nevada bunker during the NINA Project plotline! Yes, I know this was more of a solo self discovery storyline for El in Season 4 and I totally appreciate that, but the constant separation between the two didn’t do them much favours for the audience to feel more emotionally attached. NO I’m not trying to say theyre a bad couple, just talking from a narrative standpoint. So I think it would’ve been better for Owens’ team to bring Mike to the base as an emotional anchor and motivator for El.
I think this would have resolved more of El’s perception of thinking she is a monster through Mike comforting and championing that whatever occurred in 1979 where the lab was massacred, it couldn’t have been her, calling back to Season 1. Along with the two spending more time together and developing their relationship more onscreen, and add some more depth and explanation as to why Mike can’t properly say “I love you,” to El. Something along the lines of his distant parents never expressing such affection to each other growing up, and how these feelings of love are almost impossible to describe and that he feels just words alone wouldnt be able to express them properly (yes, that’s more of a headcanon of mine, lol). I honestly would’ve made him say ily to El a little earlier instead of being last minute, I think it would be better that it comes from his heart to say it rather than having someone else encourage him to say it.
Something I noticed in regards to the fandom's perception of Holly ten months ago in retrospect
I remember when Volume 1 and 2 came out, people actually really liked Holly Wheeler and thought she was a good addition to the season. Like, I'm reading old comments of people saying they love her character and storyline, sure there was some issues in regards to her having a lot of screentime but overall people really liked her.
Then, after the season concluded and the massive amount of hate from the fandom and audiences stormed social media, I see now that people are saying they hated that Holly got to be a main character and that she had no business being in the plot and took so much screentime away from the characters. Like, it's so strange because months ago people really liked her inclusion.
Like... what?
[THEORY] Henry Creel might have amnesia of his previous life
I posted this in the main sub but Imma leave this here in case anyone else is interested.
Ever since The First Shadow play came out, I was super confused about why he never mentioned about his love Patty and how she was practically stolen from him, as well as other poignant moments of his powers and direct connection with the Mind Flayer in the 1950s. Season 5 was a bit more confusing since it’s revealed the cave is a buried memory by the Flayer, but why were none of the other important aspects from the play ever revealed in that season? It wouldn’t have been hard to do, they could have just summarized the plot of The First Shadow through Henry’s memories in like 20 minutes or something.
Getting ahead of myself, what I wanted to talk about is of the possibility that the Mind Flayer may have repressed/erased memories of his previous life.
Think back to Season 2, when Will was possessed his memories started fading and over time his personality was warped and he became a dark, distorted version of himself. He still had a sense of autonomy but his wants and needs were aligned with that of the Mind Flayer’s.
Apply this to Henry and all the confusing stuff surrounding his backstory and different personality in the stage play makes a lot more sense. Most of his memories were gone, his personality was radically altered, and he is led to believe he was the architect of the supernatural events in Hawkins when really it was the other way around.
I think if they went this route in Season 5 and had a plot twist in the final episode where Henry explores his repressed memories it would have been incredible and deeply tragic. I doubt that Henry would’ve been suddenly redeemed and die a hero the more I think about it, I think he would’ve exploded with white hot rage! He now has his full memories and realizes that he has been a pawn and a tool used by everyone in his life, and experienced the absolute worst of humanity through Brenner, his family, and society while also being possessed by an interdimensional parasite. By this point I think he would’ve gone full blown Carrie and unleash carnage on the Demos, soldiers, civilians, and try to kill some of our characters.
His greatest revenge would be destroying the Wormhole and cutting off the bridge between Dimension X and Earth, because him wanting to genocide humanity and terraform the planet were the goals by the Mind Flayer that were planted into his mind. So he wouldnt give the entity the satisfaction of invading our world after what was done to him. So he telekinetically blows up the Exotic Matter and is sucked out into empty space.
Thats how I would’ve handled Vecna’s death alternatively.
ChatGPT previous refresh responses and prompts gone
What is going on?? I had entire prompts and previous responses that are just missing, like the number of tabs are gone and I think they're erased.
It reminds me of how Gemini's previous responses and prompts are gone the second you close the app and reopen a chat. I'm not sure if OpenAI is doing the same and if they are they're completely stupid.
No one is forgiving Lindsay Clancy because of Star Wars and you’re basically proving the X-Men movies right
Any thoughts on Jean Grey's "soccer mom" haircut in X2?
Honestly, Famke rocked the hairstyle and I remember not liking it as a kid because I love long hair (X3 was godly for Jean's hair, lol), but I love it now and this is definitely one of my favorite hairstyles for Jean!
I say "soccer mom" because I saw someone refer to this haircut as one, and I remembered Cast Away when Kelly in 1999 had a similar hairstyle like this now that she had a family. lol
Disney doesn't seem to really care about the other Star Wars fan films from over the years anyway. What makes this one so different?
Could the Hellfire Club aspect have worked for the 2000s X-Men trilogy if they fully adapted the Dark Phoenix storyline?
I was curious because I have written various versions of the X-Men trilogy and my own take on the Dark Phoenix Saga with a more faithful adaptation to the comics. I could probably see it working as a 2000s movie since that decade was into conspiracy theories of secret societies like the Illuminati, at least from what I've observed. But looking back on what those first two movies established, could it have fit with the established tone and worldbuilding they presented? I do see how it could clash a bit with the more grounded and sci-fi take of the X-Men movies of that era.
It's possible there would've been too many things going on at once in the plot, imo.
I have seen some other scarce rewrites online and I do believe that the version of X3 would've still had the Brotherhood as the main antagonists and Magneto being the mastermind by trying to make the Phoenix be part of them, or manipulate it in some way (albeit with better writing than what Ratner's film showed).
Rewrite:
I did come up with a version of X3 where it does incorporate some ideas from Michael Dougherty's brief pitch while most of the concepts are from me. Phoenix emerges as an apocalyptic entity raging across the earth and that the Cure is a panicked response created by the humans in an attempt to erase Jean's power. Phoenix's presence alone would've triggered a major human/mutant war across the world as various mutant groups (like the Brotherhood) believe Phoenix is some sort of messianic figure, while humans want to destroy the threat posing to the world and extremists using the Phoenix as a justification for total eradication of mutants. Magneto would've had Emma Frost try to manipulate the erratic Phoenix into joining them which works for a while, but she breaks from her psychic control and decides to end the human/mutant conflict on its own terms.
As to what Phoenix is, it is a split consciousness that's a pure manifestation of Jean's powers after Xavier locked them away in her unconscious mind for twenty to thirty years. They were exposed to Jean's memories, emotions, and primal instincts and they mutated as they gained sentience and awareness before calling itself Phoenix. Expanding on the films themes of evolution and mutation as we have an entity that evolved from mutant powers. Its motivations would've been to exterminate humans and mutants for their perpetual conflict and destruction they've inflicted upon each other and the rest of the world. Especially since it sees itself as a higher evolutionary being with hyper-awareness beyond the narrow, tribalistic conflict on Earth. Jean would've been killed and the Phoenix consciousness would've ascended from her body and become the cosmic force we see in the comics.
This is just an imagining of how I think the Dark Phoenix plot could have played out within the bounds of the established grounded tone and sci-fi worldbuilding of the X-Men trilogy, and making the Phoenix and Cure storylines actually connect to each other in a compelling way that could've salvaged X3 (if we're sticking with the executive mandate of the Cure). I definitely would've given this film two hours and fifty minutes, or more if they really wanted to be ambitious.
Doesn’t ChatGPT have its legacy models?
Im a little confused by people wanting 4o back, but I thought OpenAI already implemented their legacy models in the upgraded version when they released ChatGPT 5? I don’t have pro because I’m broke as shit, lol.
This man is so fucking miserable it’s not even funny
And is just trashing someone reviewing the Ahsoka Season 2 trailer because he was praising it.
By radically rewriting his personality that feels disconnected from the films
What are your ideas for Mike in Vecna’s Mindscape if he was kidnapped instead in Season 5?
I posted this on the main ST sub but I barely got any responses so I wanted to post it here and read your guys' ideas.
I do actually like the Mr. Whatsit persona in Season 5 and I would’ve kept it for the kids and Satanic Panic plot line. My idea on Henry’s dynamic with Mike would be pretty interesting here, at least in my opinion.
The idea I had was that Vecna would’ve merged together almost every single memory of 1950s Hawkins and create a false utopian world called "Acadia", and would’ve presented it to his victims as an alternate world existing in parallel to ours where everything is in a complete state of peace and harmony. When he kidnaps Mike, I imagine Vecna would’ve induced amnesia into Mike’s mind and make him forget key details of the last four years, which makes him a more compliant victim to fall for the Acadia illusion rather than using brute force.
Though, I had another idea that Mike still has his memories, but the world of Acadia he is put in by Whatsit is so visually and emotionally intoxicating to Mike (and a bit to us as the audience) that he begins to struggle with either wanting to escape back to the real where all the terror and chaos still exists, or stay in this utopian fantasy world where he doesn’t have to worry about almost dying and the suffering he and his friends are going through. Especially when Vecna keeps saying that he will “save” Mike’s family members and friends to bring them into this world. A psychological horror idea where Mike begins doubting his own reality and if all the fighting is worth it and possibly thinking his family is better off without him interfering.
If that makes sense.
I would’ve kept the twelve kids plot line but they would’ve had their screen times reduced a lot, especially Holly. And Vecna would’ve taken those kids because they’re more malleable and easy to manipulate as vessels to use to merge worlds. Vecna would’ve taken Mike as a strategic move to destabilize The Party and to break him down psychologically so he could use him as an “engine” in the monster’s ribcage.
Holly would still be part of Vecna's ring of kids, but her role and screentime would be reduced. However, I was having an idea that Vecna would use the Whatsit persona to manipulate Holly into somehow sabotaging The Party rescuing the kids from the MAC-Z base and possibly turning her into a loyal zealout. Though I was thinking about making Max, Mike, and Holly as a brief trio in Vecna's mind before Holly gets recaptured by Vecna in the beginning of "Escape From Camazotz."
I would’ve added more depth to Vecna’s motivations for why he wanted to move dimensions because he wants to break space and time on a fundamental level by colliding two entirely separate dimensions into each other, and Vecna would’ve manipulated the shattered flow of time to reset Earth back into its primeval state without humans. But, it would’ve been infested with the flora and creatures of Dimension X.
The ribcage would’ve been structured similarly to a clock and would physically counter-clockwise when he activates his vessels to reverse time, and the missing children would’ve been the numbers on a clock. Vecna is the main power source. Mike is the engine and distributor of Vecna’s psychic energy to channel into the twelve children. The kids are the vessels amplifying Henry’s powers to move the two ends of the Wormhole to collide into each other.
But, I am still dancing around on how to integrate Mike’s trauma and his deep insecurities for Vecna to weaponize against. The “Mike The Brave” figurine would’ve worked very well here since we’ve seen his acts of bravery for others, but he is deeply afraid of not being good enough to deserve someone like El and catastrophically failing his friends because of his decisions and actions.
Max's role would've been pretty much the same, only she and Mike would have a lot more development a friends that the previous seasons didn't give us a chance to see. El's boyfriend and best friend occupying the same room, lol. And Max would've given Mike the pep talk he needed instead of to Holly. Though I
What are your ideas for Mike in Vecna’s Mindscape if he was kidnapped instead in Season 5?
I do actually like the Mr. Whatsit persona in Season 5 and I would’ve kept it for the kids and Satanic Panic plot line. My idea on Henry’s dynamic with Mike would be pretty interesting here, at least in my opinion.
The idea I had was that Vecna would’ve merged together almost every single memory of 1950s Hawkins and create a false utopian world, and would’ve presented it to his victims as an alternate world existing in parallel to ours where everything is in a complete state of peace and harmony. When he kidnaps Mike, I imagine Vecna would’ve induced amnesia into Mike’s mind and make him forget key details of the last four years, which makes him a more compliant victim to fall for the illusion rather than using brute force.
Though, I had another idea that Mike still has his memories, but the world he is put in by Whatsit is so visually and emotionally intoxicating to Mike (and a bit to us as the audience) that he begins to struggle with either wanting to escape back to the real where all the terror and chaos still exists, or stay in this utopian fantasy world where he doesn’t have to worry about almost dying and the suffering he and his friends are going through. Especially when Vecna keeps saying that he will “save” Mike’s family members and friends to bring them into this world. A psychological horror idea where Mike begins doubting his own reality and if all the fighting is worth it.
If that makes sense.
I would’ve kept the twelve kids plot line but they would’ve had their screen times reduced a lot, especially Holly. And Vecna would’ve taken those kids because they’re more malleable and easy to manipulate as vessels to use to merge worlds. Vecna would’ve taken Mike as a strategic move to destabilize The Party and to break him down psychologically so he could use him as an “engine” in the monster’s ribcage.
I would’ve added more depth to Vecna’s motivations for why he wanted to move dimensions because he wants to break space and time on a fundamental level by colliding two entirely separate dimensions into each other, and Vecna would’ve manipulated the shattered flow of time to reset Earth back into its primeval state without humans. But, it would’ve been infested with the flora and creatures of Dimension X.
The ribcage would’ve been structured similarly to a clock and would physically counter-clockwise when he activates his vessels to reverse time, and the missing children would’ve been the numbers on a clock. Vecna is the main power source. Mike is the engine and distributor of Vecna’s psychic energy to channel into the twelve children. The kids are the vessels amplifying Henry’s powers to move the two ends of the Wormhole to collide into each other.
But, I am still dancing around on how to integrate Mike’s trauma and his deep insecurities for Vecna to weaponize against. The “Mike The Brave” figurine would’ve worked very well here since we’ve seen his acts of bravery for others, but he is deeply afraid of not being good enough to deserve someone like El and catastrophically failing his friends because of his decisions and actions.
I absolutely hate these Christian social media influencers like this man!
I’m not revealing the channel’s name, but in the first video he says that Ms. Rachel is pushing the LGBTQ Woke agenda on Christians and all the other bullshit these people love to spread misinformation about. And the second video, he claims that literal demons and angels are fighting against each other through a pregnant woman being bombarded by one person urging her to get an abortion, while some zealot is trying to make her not go through with it.
I know this might not be the right place to post about this stuff, but he’s just been popping up in my feed and I’m so irritated how people like him just manage to fool a bunch of gullible (and let’s face it, stupid) Christians online.
Does this fandom seem to hate and misunderstand Mike Wheeler this much??
Like, wow, it seems like so many people really hate Mike to a point where they misrepresent him entirely or over exaggerate his flaws and writing issues. Like, damn, could people give him a break for once?
I do wish we could've saw Princess Amore in FIM
Her character and story in the comics is very interesting and she definitely has one of the most beautiful, and unique designs I've seen! She looks very distinct from the other Princesses with Cadence looking similar, though I am curious as to why she's called a "Princess" if she doesn't possess wings? Strange.
I genuinely feel like we DON'T talk about the Snow Ball scene in Season 4 enough!
I love the Liminal Space-esque feeling here with the empty gymnasium in festive decorations and the sudden decay of the room when Vecna starts invading the memory. It's definitely one of the coolest and most surreal mindscape moments on the show, especially since we see a perfect recreation of the Season 2 era in 1984!
I only wish they could've added the tendril vines and webbing considering they already added the spores and crimson lightning, and since Vecna was already turning it into an Upside Down space.