u/ElegantAd2607

Apparently some women really like looking at hot male hands. It's not my thing. I like looking into their eyes.

Someone did a little experiment survey where they got women and men to rate the bodies of the opposite sex. Just the bodies. As you can imagine men rated women's bodies higher. I can understand that since the eyes aren't there. I feel like women would be more drawn to the pictures if you could also see the man's beautiful eyes. 🤗

One of the reasons the pro-choice side is popular is because they can easily demonize pro-life people by saying “what about pregnant 12 year olds?” As if that has anything to do with Roe VS Wade or even 98% of abortions that occur.

But nobody seems to care about the cruelty on the pro-choice side, “what about all the disabled babies that are being killed? What about killing babies because of their gender?”

Their actual response is that no child deserves to be unwanted.

They would rather condone murder than support living humans.

So pro-choice people have failed to convince me that abortion is okay. Or morally correct in most situations. The last thing they can do, their last hurrah, is probably just arguing that even though abortion is immoral we shouldn't make it illegal. Like how we all agree that adultery is immoral but we don't make that illegal.

The Bible shouldn’t influence the law. The state should protect life and property, it shouldn't tell you to be a Christian.

So why should we make abortion illegal? Why should it be a moral and legal issue?

Because abortion kills a human! That's a matter of life and property. Now pro-choice people would combat this by saying the fetus isn't conscious yet. Aside from the fact that pro-choicers are still okay with late term abortion because they think it's for emergencies, we cannot let consciousness be the deciding factor because it's way too arbitrary and unspecified. We have no idea how the mind works and we shouldn't make irreversible dangerous decisions until we do.

It's also wrong to suggest that a person isn't a person because they lack the ability to think. That fetus is still a unique human with unique DNA. If they kill them, that's it. They will never come back again. The conscious mind I didn't have yet before I was born was not going to return inside another fetus.

We should make abortion illegal because it isn't a matter of religion. It's a matter of life and property. Abortion takes away human life and it doesn't matter if that life is thinking yet or if it can't feel pain.

"Dead people have more rights than women; you're not allowed to take a dead person's organs without their consent."

This annoys me a lot because one law shouldn't be an argument for another.

Most of what pro-choice people have to say is ridiculous. Except for this:

1. You become a person when you're conscious at 20 weeks gestation.

2. No one has the right to use your body.

The first one has logic to it. And it also satisfies our intuition to say that a person should be conscious. A dead human is not conscious and rocks aren't either. And there should be no laws preventing you from removing a dead human from your body. So why not an unconscious fetus? I can see the logic there at least, unlike the babble about fetuses being parasites.

Then there's the property argument. The idea that no one has the right to be inside your body if you don't want them to be. Once again it satisfies intuition, I mean we don't want people putting things inside us against our will.

Once you've defeated these two arguments, you've defeated pro-choice people cause these are all they have. What else is there that makes sense?

“A fetus is a parasite!” Learn biology, fool.

“You can't force women to be mothers.” Adoption exists.

“Women are not things.” No, they are mothers and mothers have obligations.

“If this is murder than masterbation is genocide.” Sperm aren't human, idiot.

They have nothing besides those two.

If every single country on earth finally put an end to slavery, human trafficking, war crimes, war itself, child labour, the death penalty, religious persecution, LGBT persecution, dictators and elective abortion, that would be progress.

It would mean that we have finally decided to care about every human just because they are human. What a glorious day that would be.

Progress is caring about humanity. Pro-choice people don't care about humanity. Many of them are pessimistic anti-natalists. Some of them are vegans who care more about animals than people.

Something that upsets me a lot is how people will want to physically hurt someone for saying the N word but if you say that disabled children should be aborted, you'll be praised. Social issues are important but the fact that people are ostracized for racism but not for wanting to kill disabled children tells me that we have not progressed enough.

Being pro-life is real progressivism. You do not live in a great nation if women have to kill a human in order to succeed in life.

Outside of religious arguments which aren't worth using at all, this is a secular debate, these are the only bad arguments I've ever heard from pro-life people:

1. Aww, that baby could have cured cancer.

2. Pregnancy is natural, the baby is meant to be there.

The first one is rediculous because achievements are not the reason we're having this debate. And the second one is a naturalistic fallacy. Those are the only bad arguments from pro-lifers. Pro-choice people have like a dozen.

I've spoken with a lot of pro-choice people but unfortunately haven't gotten around to this question yet (not before they banned me from their server and their subreddit.) The question of, how and why is abortion healthcare?

What have they told you?

Abortion clearly isn't healthcare. How could killing a human be healthcare? Even if you think that abortion is okay, it still seems strange to call it healthcare. This is a woman removing a fetus from her body because she doesn't want to be a mother. That's obviously for her lifestyle, not for her health.

Now that I'm older, abortion feels so obviously indefensible to me. Like I was just watching this liberal guy on YouTube and he briefly mentioned how it's so upsetting that many American women don't have “reproductive rights” and all I could think was: Yeah, it's such a shame that women can't recklessly have PIV sex and then kill the kid.

Like the more I hear pro-choice people talk about this issue the more absurd they sound to me. Something that also bothers me a little, it really niggles at me, is that this particular guy is pretty awesome in every other aspect. He's a liberal guy who just wants everyone in the world to be happy and safe. He's a men's rights activist who brings domestic violence against men to attention (as well as many other issues) and I really respect that.

Most pro-choice people are like this I'm sure. They're kind, respectable people who want the world to be a better place, like the guy in the video. Or at least I hope they are… But they have one huge blind spot. And it sounds so obviously wrong to me.

I don't know if you know this, and if you don't lucky you, but there are so many subreddits dedicated to talking about why men are awful. I won't create any links but there's twoxchromosones, whenwomenrefuse and women and even regular subs that have nothing to do with the subject will have popular posts talking about men being sexist or awful.

But a subreddit like mine, that's all about attractive men is not going to get a lot of attention from women. And don't you dare mention ladyboners cause you KNOW most of the members aren't women. And ladyladyboners is even more popular btw.

Why don't you think this is the case?

I assume it's for two reasons.

1. Rage gets more attention.

Posts about men doing something bad are going to get more clicks than men just existing and that's also because

2. Women's sex drive is low

Women don't have that much motivation to see subs like this.