u/HOTSpower

Like hearthstone has the standard/wild/twist/classic/unranked/arena variaitons, why if in addition to 7-minion battlegrounds we had variants that allowed 8/9/10/11 minions and so on?

A lot of the time there's so many synergies I'd love to be able to do with more than 7 and just can't, run out of room to capitalize on reborn/summon and so on especially with Undead...

Maybe I just want a massive army of hundreds of undead minions and to see how battlegrounds would play it out. Is that so bad? Maybe I need to shop for another game for this kind of scale..

Some of the voices on there do sound genuine enough, like Hank Hill, Dr. Phil, Donald Trump, Duke Nukem, Rainbow Dash, Spongebob, Kermit, Cartman, Goofy

But lately I've noticed combing through the library if I click some sample voices it sounds nothing at all like the advrtised character, including:

Inuyasha, Arthas, Babidi, Vegeta, Goku, Freezer

There should be a way to report these fakely labeled TTS to remove them from suggestions, or at least some kind of ignore function so we can mark the bad ones and not have them suggested in searches

I know we might say Darth Binks or Darth JarJar but those are both wrong since Sith are supposed to have entirely separate names from their real ones - are there any patterns we can look to for a precedent on what that ought to be?

I got no idea how Sidious/Tyrannus/Maul/Vader all got chosen

I've been rewatching this battle and I'm just not seeing it. Even in the final swipe it seems plausible based on the downward angle of Vader's lightsaber that he is just trying to destroy Ahsoka's lightsabres that she left planted in the temple floor to stop the floor from cracking.

The idea that Vader intended Ahsoka's death always seems to rely on out-of-universe commentarty by people instead of the product - appealing to statements made by Filoni for example. But I think a lot of us perfer to judge products by themselves and not be obligated to defer to add-ons by writers/directors. Filoni might say tomorrow "oh, by the way, Maul had an ingrown fingernail and that's why he performed so poorly against Ahsoka/Vader/Kenobi" but would I be obligated to defer to that too?

People point out Vader's lethal rhetoric but that's merely Dun Moch - Vader is capable of lying and has done it a lot. We see this within the scene itself with Ezra:

1. "you will die braver than most!"
2. Vader merely destroys the weapon (no injury to Ezra)
3. "perhaps I was wrong" ~raises weapon~ enter Ahsoka "it wouldn't be the first time"

Simply raising his weapon could just be Dun Moch intimidation technique. The idea is to grill Ezra for informaiton, use fear to manipulate him, etc. If he wanted Ezra dead he wouldn't need to use his Saber, he could've just force-choked him.

Now consider the sequence with her:

4. Ahsoka "I won't leave you"

5. Vader "then you will die"

Does that actually mean he plans to kill her? As with Ezra, nope, Dun Moch is a plausible explanation for the banter. Vader makes threat to break people's will, he has zero need to do stuff like this when he actually just intends to off someone, like we see later w/ Maul or the Emperor.

Vader already defeated Ahsoka non-lethally - he pushed her off the platform and didn't follow up to finish her off. He just wanted her out of the way to get the holocron and focus on Ezra.

Ahsoka knew she couldnt beat him and I think was just trying to get through to him instead (plus allow the Ghost Crew to escape). Anakin is just doing telegraphed strieks he know she can parry to exhaust her (like he did Dooku) by battering down w/ Jem So forcing her to parry.

The tossup is when the ceiling collapses and Vader gawks (being a Sith he's more concerned w/ the destruction of a Sith Temple) allowing Ahsoka to force-push him back a yard giving her enough time to do the unpredictable "Gandalf Maneuver" of dropping her parrying guard ENTIRELY and just double-stabbing the platform.

If Vader wanted her dead he would've just offed her soon as she dropped her guard - he's stunned by it and not sure how to proceed since she stopped defending and didn't understand what she was doing right away.

Ahsoka basically was tactically more Sith than even Vader in that moment - focusing more on manipulating the environment (the floor) instead of blade-to-blade combat. She did use blades, but not merely to cross them with another but to alter the terrain itself to unstead her heavier opponent to give herself an advantage. If Vader fell in the hole (being the heavier guy) Ahsoka would gain the high ground and be able to ride the avalanche using her agility!

Killing Ahsoka would not have prevented this - the blades were already stuck in the ground. What would have prevented this is destroying her lightsabers - exactly like he just did to Ezra's.

Occam's Razor to me is based purely on the product (and not creator commentary) is that this is what Vader was doing.

Does this mean Ezra did not save Ahsoka? Nope - he did save her, because there's a lot more dangers to that situation than just Vader's intentions. I see a couple ways to look at it.

1. he saved her from suicide - in taking out the flooring, the collapse could've easily killed Ahsoka (wearing no armor) something she was willing to do merely to slow Vader down (who could survive the fall/debris from his plating)
2. he saved her from accident - even though I think Vader's swing was aimed at Ahsoka's weapons (not her) it's clear Vader wasn't moving fast enough to complete his swing prior to the floor collapsing - you see his footing give way even before the lightsaber reaches the position of Ahsoka's sabers - if he had flinched during the fall he might have killed Ahsoka by ACCIDENT

That's an interesting possibility to look at here - Ezra possibly saved Vader from greater heartbreak. He already blamed himself for Padme's death based on Sidious' lie ("in your anger you killed her" - nope she survived to give birth) and if his disarming swing for Ahsoka went off-target and murdered her... yeah that guilt would've really pushed him into an even darker place.

The guilt Anakin feels over deaths he caused (or thinks he caused) drives him deeper into darkness - whether its' the Tuskens, Dooku, Mace, Padme... but by depriving him of being a murderer by vanishing his target you replace that despair by confusion.

Ezra pulling Ahsoka out of the path of an accident is just like Qui Gon Jinn pulling Obi-Won Kenobi out of the path of an accident. I'm not certain I believe in either fight that Vader definitely would have killed either of them - but he was certainly willing to fight forcefully enough that he could risk accidentally killing his estranged friends in the course of trying to brutally discipline them, just like with Padme.

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Any time we've actually SEEN him fight against former allies it's always been with restraint and not outright murder. Im' sure people will bring up the fountain younglings ("Sors Bandeam" and co) but we never actually see the specifics of what occurred in that room so we can have theories about the reality deviating from what we're implied Kenobi+Yoda witnessed on the surveillance tapes.

All I really remember seeing on the tapes is Anakin fighting Cin Drallig and a pair of padawans (Bene and Whie) and we never see any fatalities there - we do see Anakin cut off both of the Padawan's hands (kind of his go-to move) which isn't really that big a deal since Anakin lost a hand as a Padawan too and he ended up becoming plenty strong.

Although the emperor said "kill all the jedi in the temple" there's an escape clause there - Anakin could just have them captured and removed from the temple and then they wouldn't be IN the temple so he wouldn't be required to kill them. There were no time-based variables on the instruction allowing Anakin to work around them and use prisoner jedi to create a secret army against Sidious.

What he probably thought though is that the clones woudl follow his orders and take prisoners - he didn't know about Order 66 so after he disarmed his enemies (probably just weapon-destroying for the younglings, dismemberment for skilled padawan and knights) the clones showed no mercy and just annihilated them.

This is something he already experienced - he disarmed Windu and the Emperor zapped Windu out the window (possibly lethally, or maybe he fell on Korban Dallas' taxi) - but he wouldn't expect that brutality from the clones too since they weren't Sith.

If this is what happened (Anakin defeated the younglings and then the clones surprise-murdered them) it would further break Anakin's spirit - morally speaking he probably wouldn't even entertain a distinction - he may not have shot them but he weakened them enough for the clones to do so, so he feels guilty of it. His negligence allowed evil to triumph, just like with Windu.

I don't think Kenobi or Yoda actually saw him kill a youngling - they saw a bit of the footage showing him cutting off hands of a couple Padawan and knew a bunch of younglings were killed and just leapt to conclusions. It's not like they had the resources to autopsy youngling corpses and figure out it was blaster fire and not lightsaber or force choke that ended it.

If anyone in the temple was actually killed directly by Anakin I could buy it being Cin Drallig. Probably what happened is Anakin dismembers Bene and Whie, and then Anakin tries to talk Drallig down in a 1-on-1 duel but during that conversation Ben and Whie get put down by stormtroopers, causing the negotiations to break down. Vader then realizes it's a lost cause and ends up killing Drallig in self-defense since Drallig becomes inconsolable at what Anakin enabled the clone troopers to do (not realizing Order 66 made him incapable of controlling them)

To get really tinfoil though I can give Drallig the Windu treatment - there's no body, I can assume both survived. Drallig might've just fled the temple the same way Kelleren Beq did. Like yeah maybe he had as lightsabre thrown through his chest like in the PS2 adaptation but that sequence clearly deviates from the film since the PS2 version never shows the 3v1 moment we witness in the Holocron that Yoda shows Kenobi. Anakin may have just driven Drallig from the temple, removing hte requirement to kill him. Just like he might've captured younglings and had a bunch of them removed so they were no longer "Jedi in the temple" .

Other possibilities hinted at in the novelization or games like Jurok+Jocasta or Serra+Shaak are problematic since we don't see them actually die in the movie itself. The canonicity of their deaths/absences are questionable.

The flashbacks Reva in ep 5 of OWK might seem to throw a wrench in the works until you pay close attention

1. we see Minas Velti downed by blaster fire
2. we see Anakin approach the younglings flanked by 2 storm troopers
3. we see Anakin swing his sword once and a male youngling falls
4. we see Anakin swing it a 2nd time but no reaction

We also do see that Anakin impaled her as a child - but she survived. Are we really going to assume Anakin's such an idiot that he doesn't know how to verify a death?

Her remembering it as "I hid among the bodies" is clearly wrong - Anakin directly injured her in a non-lethal way and that could have been intentionally - just like he intentionally injured Windu and even Dooku in non-lethal ways.

The merciful strategy of Vader with later encountered younglings (I'm assuming Reva was encountered after Sors) is that after he realized Clones would off the ones he peacefully disarmed, that they had a better chance of survival if Vader brutally maimed them in a SEEMINGLY lethal way (like with Reva) so that the clones would move on to more obvious threats and then maybe they had a chance to evacuate later. Vader might be able to find uncompromised clones or come back personally himself (or with Jedi he can turn - I think he planned this with Ahsoka, the same way Maul tried) to do triage on the injured younglings, or just realized he injured them gently enough they could recover and sneak out once he escorted the troopers out.

There's no reason we should assume Sidious is capable of detecting all of Vader's lies that I can see. If we did go by the comics, Vader was capable of lying to Sidious about the Memory Crystal containing a list of force sensitives that the Jedi were planning to recruit as younglings/initiates. If he could lie like that to protect children from sidious, he could similar lie about having actually killed them when actually just maiming them in believable ways to fool the clone troopers.

Possibly Anakin first tried the Jedi Mind Trick to trick the clone troopers (as I'm sure some jedi must have done) before realizing it didn't work - that's initially probably why he failed to protect younglings. Ultimately he had to use deception instead of mind control since the chips prevented the latter.

I'm not sure if we ever find out how much Anakin/Vader knew about the chips - even if he's not directly shown learning of it I think we can assume he did figure it out, since the inability to use mind control during order 66 must've been apparent, when the clones began prioritizing killing jedi over following Anakin's orders to capture the Jedi.