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Are there any benefits to working for the Galactic Empire?

Are there any benefits to working for the Galactic Empire?

So I never understood why so many people were willing to join or work for the Empire, especially during the OT trilogy era. I mean let's face it by blowing up Alderaan they also "blew up: any claims of moral superiority they had over the Rebels. Granted in the Interquel era between the Prequel and OT trilogies, you could argue that some joined the Empire to get off of whatever backwater planet they were on or because they saw the Empire as the lesser of two evils compared to groups like the Separatists, the Shadow Collective, and Saw Gerrera's partisans.

But compared to the Sith Empire from SWTOR, the Galactic Empire doesn't exactly inspire confidence or respect. Now, I'm no expert but in order for any form of government to work they someway to inspire a sense of civic trust, pride, and duty. However, the Galactic Empire doesn't do any of that. Instead, they rely on only brute force, fear, hate, and wanton cruelty. Which begs the question, why would anyone, who isn't a complete psychopath, want to join such an organization in the first place? And then I remembered that in season 1 of the Bad Batch an Imperial signed up with the Empire for a roof over his head and in Resistance Tam joined their successor for the food.

And that got me thinking, aside from food, housing, and a chance for offworld travel does the Empire offer any benefits or perks when signing up like a pension plan, or a healthcare package?

Evil Pays Better

Better Living through Evil

Signed Up for the Dental

u/jacky986 — 5 hours ago

How much could the average person use the Force before the Jedi intervened?

Obviously the Jedi aren’t going to find EVERY Force-sensitive person in the Galaxy, even on Coruscant of all places. Let’s say I’m one of these people, and as I grow up I realize I’ve got cool telekinesis powers that I’ve been practicing with. Obviously I’m not gonna have the training to shoot lightning from my fingertips or pull down a Star Destroyer, but if I’m just grocery shopping and use it to get something off a high shelf or whatever, are the Jedi gonna tell me I can’t?

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u/OkuroIshimoto — 4 hours ago

Is there a lore reason why the Jedi just... didn't use Force Grip to capture and detain Grevious?

No but seriously, why the heck did not a single Jedi just use the Force to grab him? It makes no sense! We seen Yoda lift a star fighter easily. Lifting Grevious and holding him there should not be that hard.

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u/Professional-Oil-365 — 14 hours ago

Is the galaxy extremely young?

So far there are millions of known sentient races and millions of habitable worlds in the star wars galaxy, yet the oldest civilizations we know of are within roughly 1 million years prior to the current day. Given how the vast majority of races developed roughly at the same time it seems as though the galaxy was another devoid of life until very recently by some cosmic seeding race like the Rakatans or didn't even exist all together

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u/DEATH_CORNER — 10 hours ago

A trial of Vader, had he survived

So, let's imagine that in an alternate timeline, Luke uses the force and manages to get enough time to help Vader survive after the destruction of the second death star, Vader would now be a POW, and just like in the Nuremberg trials, he'd have to go through that process himself.

What do you think would happen? Would he receive a death sentence? I think it's an interesting scenario just to put to scale the sheer magnitude of atrocities he did in those years

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u/XixoTheRock — 13 hours ago

How did Anakin manage to land half a ship?

I understand that Star Wars is very far from being a realistic depiction of physics and such. But after the Invisible Hand broke in half I'd imagine it no longer had any steering capabilities no?

Was it really just a stroke of luck that it managed to be facing a landing strip and not crash into a building (except that small tower)?

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u/milkytaro_oero — 20 hours ago
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Would Anakin really have killed the Tusken children/younglings?

Disclaimer:  I didn’t exactly mean for this to happen, but this turned into a bit of a rant/tirade.  If you’re not in the mood for that it might be better to skip this.  Also, while I did label this as “NSFW”, it may be a bit more than just that.  And maybe a lot more.  If you’re a sensitive type of person and don’t like these kinds of discussions, again it might be better to skip this.  No, this is not a dare, it is a warning.  Take it as you will.

Furthermore, I know that many of you will want to make the standard (and by now oh so tiresome) “it’s for kids” argument.  I very specifically address that here, so if you absolutely have to make that argument PLEASE GET TO THAT PART OF THE ARTICLE BEFORE YOU DO (this really isn’t that long), though I hope what I’ve written here dissuades you.  If you try to make that argument without reading that part, it’ll be fairly obvious, and I’ll have no reason to pay any attention.  Sorry, but I’ve dealt with these people a few too many times.  It does get old.

With that, this is not an easy subject to discuss, but it’s been bothering me for a long time.  Because as petty as it might appear, it is one of the main reasons that I’m not a Prequel fan (among many others), and I felt that someone had to step up and ask.  I believe that the short answer is “Yes, he very well would, or at least could have.”  Considering what happened to his mother and how unstable he was even before her abduction, it made sense that he would lash out in the way that he did, to where even innocent children would not be spared.  Everything seemed to indicate that he was headed in that direction, and it felt like a natural step in his tragic descent toward the Dark Side.  So why do I have such a problem with it?

My problem isn’t so much with the event itself, or even the lead up to it, but really with what happens afterwards.  Which is, effectively… nothing.  OK, that’s not entirely true, he does sulk and grieve for a bit afterwards, and he does tell Padme about what he did, justifying it to her, but by the end of the movie you would hardly know that anything like that had happened.  He was laughing and joking, and you could hardly tell that he had earlier undergone one of the most traumatic events in his life.  Likewise in The Clone Wars, which canonically takes place after Attack of the Clones, he was often upbeat and in a good humour, just as he was at the beginning of Revenge of the Sith.

Is this a nitpick?  Yes, and yet I feel compelled to speak up about it, because while there are many other things that put me off from the Prequels, this to me speaks to a fundamental misunderstanding of human nature, mostly on the part of George Lucas, but also from many other people involved with Star Wars.  (And to clarify this is long before Disney took over.)

To further clarify, I myself have never killed anyone, have no plans on doing so, and God willing will never have to.  However, and I hope this doesn’t say too much about me, I have seen numerous interviews with people that have, for all sorts of different reasons, and in all sorts of different contexts.

I have seen interviews with soldiers who have admitted to shooting and killing children that were shooting at them.  I have also seen interviews with people that have admitted to doing these sorts of things for… other reasons.  Some of the people I’ve seen interviewed were children themselves, which was perhaps most disturbing.  (Links to these interviews I can DM you on request, I don’t feel comfortable posting them here directly, sorry.)

The attitudes of those interviewed likewise ran the gamut.  Some appeared remorseful for what they had done, some were very matter-of-fact and nonchalant, while others were actually boastful about it.  In some cases it felt as though you were listening to Satan himself.  But one thing was fairly constant with pretty much everyone:  as far as I could tell, none of them were unchanged by their experience.  All of them as far as I could tell were very different people from what they had been before.  As one interviewee put it:  “When you feel that energy draining, I don’t care who you are, it changes you forever.”

I suppose you could argue that Anakin “compartmentalized”, and yes, killers do often compartmentalize (I’ve seen some that have actually used that very term), but even with compartmentalization I’m not sure that you could bury something like that inside you to the point where there’s no real trace of it.  As I said earlier, by the end of the film he came across as happy and bubbly and seemed to have an almost child-like innocence.  There was really nothing in his demeanor that indicated in any way that he was a cold- blooded killer, that is until the end of Episode III.

I know that many blame this on Hayden Christensen and his acting, or lack thereof.  Personally, while I do think that he could have been much better, and probably needed far more coaching, I ultimately don’t think that blaming him is fair.  It is ultimately the director who makes the crucial decisions about how an actor conducts themselves, and how they are portrayed.  And in the case of George Lucas he likewise wrote the script, decided on the dialog, as well as many other things.  From what I understand, Christensen actually clashed with Lucas about how Anakin should be portrayed, and wanted to do a more serious take on the character.  If this is true I honestly wish Lucas had listened.

Throughout the course of his career Lucas has repeatedly stated:  “I’m not a writer, I hate writing.” (his actual words).  In what is arguably the most popular Star Wars movie, and one of the most popular films ever made, The Empire Strikes Back, Lucas himself stepped back, and let Irvin Kershner do the directing, while Leigh Brackett and Lawrence Kasdan handled the screenplay.  If I’m not mistaken Kershner specifically told Lucas that he would only direct the film if he were allowed to do it his way, and Lucas acceded.  For the Prequels, for whatever reason, Lucas decided to handle nearly everything himself, and while I do believe that things could have certainly been worse, it’s hard for me to understand why Lucas abandoned what had worked so well in the past.

Like I said, I know that many will argue “it’s for kids,” an argument that in and of itself can and already has been discussed ad nauseum, so I’ll do my best to answer it as quickly as I can here.  Yes it is meant to be accessible to kids, but it’s not JUST for kids.  It’s not Barney, or Cocomelon, or Sesame Street.  (No shade on you if you’re an adult who likes these shows, but however much you might like them if you’re honest you’ll admit that you’re not the target demographic, while young children are.)  

Even children typically outgrow the above mentioned shows by the age of six, and are often turned off, or even repulsed by them, and a story that’s “just for kids” wouldn’t deal with serious themes and motifs like good and evil, let alone the murder of innocent children.  I generally agree with C.S. Lewis that “A children's story that can only be enjoyed by children is not a good children's story in the slightest.”  Which is why I’m fairly certain that most Star Wars fans today are in fact NOT children, most Star Wars fans are ADULTS.  Does that sound hard to believe?  If you’re a child that’s reading this (let’s say 12 and under), and you are a Star Wars fan, I’d honestly be honestly curious to know how many of your peers share in your fandom at this point.  At any rate, as I have already said, while it is meant to be accessible to kids, it is not JUST for kids.  It is ultimately meant for EVERYONE.

If after reading all this you still want to make the “it’s for kids” argument I suppose you can, but you better bring your A game.

To be completely fair, as I’ve said in previous posts, Lucas, and by extension Star Wars, has always been somewhat schizophrenic about how it should be portrayed, and what exactly it’s going for.  Audiences have likewise been divided.  On the one hand it is hailed as an epic and sweeping space opera that deals with deep, mature, and sometimes even dark themes, using a metaphorical, fictional universe to probe into the nature of humanity and the human condition.  On the other hand critics, and at times even fans, have dismissed it as childish fantasy that has no deeper meaning and should simply be enjoyed for the spectacle that it provides.  I might argue that what you see is what you get, and if all you care about is spectacle, then that is certainly your right.

But I hope that I can at least somewhat convince you of where I’m coming from, that Star Wars does in fact deal with very serious issues, and while there’s certainly room for levity, even a need for it from time to time, it is ultimately a serious drama with comedic elements, not the other way around.  Neither would I say that both the comedy and drama deserve equal time, for while both are necessary, I believe that when you deal with serious issues those issues should be in the foreground, simply because they are far more important than the comic relief.

This then may be one of the fundamental flaws of the Prequels, based on Lucas forgetting certain fundamental facts.  It may be that he himself became afraid of the darkness that he was about to portray, and retreated into something that he found comforting, as would many people in his place.  But in shielding himself as he did, I believe that he ultimately did himself, and the audience, a serious misservice, albeit with the best of intentions.  

The other possibility is that Lucas simply lacked the understanding to accurately portray something like that.  Or maybe it was some combination of factors.  But the lesson I believe that was ultimately neglected in all of this is that life is not a game, but very much a serious thing.  And when writing about serious things one needs to treat them as such.

Another argument that people might make is that “it’s a movie, it doesn’t have to be perfect.”  Fair enough, but here again I would argue that I’m not asking for perfection, and I certainly hope that’s not what you took away from this.  What I’m asking for is a deeper understanding and more nuance in the portrayal of something that desperately needs it.  Sadly, that seems to be more and more lacking over the years.  

In light of that, many might argue that “well, it’s still better than what we have today!”  Again, fair enough.  Though to be fair some might argue that if Star Wars were more grounded back in the day, it might have been on a firmer footing now.  Or perhaps Lucas wouldn’t have received the backlash that he did for the Prequels and wouldn’t have felt the need to sell his franchise, so that again, it might have been on a firmer footing. It’s ultimately a matter of speculation, and we can’t know for certain, but I do believe it is at least worth considering.

But ultimately, my answer would be that however good or bad something might be in the past or present there is nearly always room for improvement, and wherever there appears to be a discrepancy, I don’t believe it’s wrong to point it out.  I could be wrong of course, but that is what discussion is for, and that is why I felt the need to post this.  

I hope that you would agree with me, but even if you don’t, I am curious to hear what you think.  Just remember, keep it civil if you want a civil response.  See ya in the comments!

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u/Eli_Freeman_Author — 17 hours ago

Even though The Imperial Sourcebook and The Rebel Alliance Sourcebook were made way before the prequels and Andor how much this information still hold up in the current lore both canon (especially with Andor) and to an extent legends?

like sure the imperial sourcebook was made in 1989 but still despite the history section being written way before the prequel how much of the info can be considered valuable as a primarily source to both the lore and organization flow charts of the Galactic Empire.

basically, should I buy both of them especially the imperial sourcebook or not they are outdated in terms of what we know about the galactic empire and the rebel alliance especially the former. if not do the information (especially from the imperial source book.) still holds up today in terms of the current lore?

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u/Glittering_Fix539 — 10 hours ago

Purple Lightsabers in SWtOR?

n the prequels, Mace Windu is known for the purple lightsaber; the purple lightsaber is stated in Legends to belong to a Jedi treading the line between light and dark. However, in Star Wars the Old Republic (The MMO), only Sith appear to wield purple lightsabers. Why do no Jedi have them in the Old Republic Era? Why do Sith have them? I thought that all Sith bled their lightsabers red?

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u/Present_Secret_3706 — 16 hours ago

Why did the clones threaten Bail Organa when he arrived at the jedi temple during Operation Knightfall?

Bail was an ally who was on the same side as the clones. Not to mention, he's a prominent senator. So, was it really necessary for the clones to point their guns at him and threaten him to leave instead of giving him a warning?

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u/Fun-Region2179 — 1 day ago

Anakin's role of the prophecy has more to do with the World Between Worlds than any actual "potential"

Anakin Skywalker is said to have the potential to be the most powerful Jedi who ever lived, and while he's certainly the most skilled martially, I think that's more to do with the work he put in than anything - and I don't believe it's what the prophecy refers to.

After his death, the next time we see Skywalker is in the World Between Worlds. I don't think this is a coincidence, and I think it'll largely connect to the Mortis Gods and the role they had planned for him.

Destroying the Sith and restoring balance to the Force was a spiritual test for Anakin, one he failed at first when he betrayed the Jedi and siding with the Emperor. It's ultimately the love of his son that saves him and allows him to finally complete the mission that destiny assigned him.

The Force willed the Sith's destruction because their ultimate victory would mean them taking control of the World Between Worlds and thus reality itself. This would fundamentally disrupt the balance of the universe, and while Ezra Bridger and Ahsoka Tano stopped the Emperor briefly, it wasn't until Anakin returned to the light that he permanently turned the tide and ensured that the Sith would never again be able to threaten the balance of the universe... which was the real point of the prophecy.

Now, Anakin will spend all of eternity atoning for his sins, watching over the World Between Worlds and being its guardian... thereby protecting balance for all time.

That is what I believe the prophecy of the Chosen One refers to, rather than the destruction of the Sith Order for its own sake.

What do you think?

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u/StevePalpatine — 18 hours ago

What events could go differently if hyperspace tracking existed during the Clone Wars?

Going roughly on par with the way it spread within the one year from TLJ to TROS, let's say hyperspace tracking existed at the start of the Clone Wars, but only on large ships like Venators and primarily held by the Republic but by the second year it diffused to the point that the average starfighter had one.

We can assume Palpatine would likely let the CIS get access to their own version of hyperspace tracking to keep things even between both sides. There is also the likely possibility of more effective large scale countermeasures to hyperspace tracking being developed as the war goes on.

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u/Confident-Mark-6369 — 1 day ago

Same Names in Star Wars

There are literally thousands of named characters in Star Wars, so it's only natural that some names get reused. Can we make a list of all the characters with reused names?

I won't be counting familial characters who share a surname like Skywalker or Solo and I also won't be counting characters named after other characters like Ben or Anakin.

Legends and Canon are welcome. Here's what I've got so far:

Jacen Solo - Jacen Syndulla

Galen Marek - Galen Erso

Marrok (the Anooba) - Marrok (the Inquisitor)

Quinlan Vos - Dryden Vos

Wedge Antilles - Raymus Antilles

Mace Towani - Mace Windu

Bodhi Rook - Rook Kast

Darth Bane - Cad Bane

Bail Antilles - Bail Organa

Coleman Trebor - Coleman Kcaj

Toryn Farr - Onaconda Farr

Ben Kenobi - Ben Quadrinaros

Kybo Ren - Kylo Ren

Starkiller (Galen Marek again) - Starkiller (Superweapon)

Havoc (Clone Trooper) - Havoc (ARC Trooper)

Carnor Jax - apparently 500 million dudes named Jax Pavan

I'm excited to see who else we can add!

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u/DSteep — 1 day ago

Something I like about attack of The Clones is how Dooku is portrayed in the film?

in the movie we see how despite Dooku being the villain he is portrayed as a elder statesman politician and was open on a few things like convincing Kenobi to join him or Given Padme her voice in her interrogation and trial while trying to coincide her to join the separatist (although not shown this was mostly in a deleted scene.) When she refuse instead of him doing the sentencing it was Poggle the Lesser basically Dooku uses the Federation and Guild bosses as tools. While greedy executives handle the logistics, he maintains the facade of an idealistic revolutionary who merely wants to "fix" a corrupt Republic.

he also tried to convinced Mace Windu to Surrender and when he refused Dooku simply says well I’m sorry my friend.

But the moment he force lightning Anakin and the fight at the end we see how much of threat he truly is?

Obviously, this is just an underrated take not to mention when you add the deleted scenes to get the full context you kind of see how Dooku was trying to paint himself.

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u/Glittering_Fix539 — 2 days ago

Why I love the Jedi…

ONE “An elegant weapon for a more civilized age.”

A Jedi Knight is very different from your typical hero in a hero’s journey or fairy tale. They are also very different from superheroes despite having the same drive to protect the innocent.

Unlike most heroes, Jedi are not flashy. They don’t wear cool capes. They don’t have iconic symbols on their chest. They don’t have any vanity. They avoid making extravagant choices that draw much attention to themselves.

They wear a plain cloak, one that usually hides their face, and makes them look mysterious and eerie. And that is what they are. In that sense they are very similar to biblically accurate angels who are terrifying to demons but tell the innocent to “be not afraid”. They use deadly weapons that can strike down anything yet they are dedicated to peace.

They are people of few words but when they do speak it’s so eloquent, so poetic. Their speech is controlled, much like their way of life. A life dedicated to achieving harmony or “oneness”.

TWO “It’s your choice, but I warn you not to underestimate my power.”

Their power isn’t fuelled by passion or feelings. Well it can give them power but the wrong kind of power.

The dark side looks cool. It has cooler abilities like force lightning and it’s quicker to access because it operates off of passion and desire. But that is what makes it seductive. It’s puts one’s awareness on hold and draws them to operate on pure impulse. That’s what makes it weak. Succumbing to your emotions instead of regulating them is weak and resisting this is true strength. Being incorruptible, being committed to internal balance, that takes work.

Not only is it what makes a Jedi powerful, but it also applies to real life. Patience, control, and balance are what you need to truly succeed in many hard things in life. Lack of impulse control will harm your life, harm others’ lives, and can get someone killed.

It’s not surprising that many fans’ fantasy is to be a Sith Lord rather than a Jedi. The Sith have cooler powers, usually aura farm harder, and take whatever they want. Everyone wants to feel powerful, and anyone would be tempted by easy opportunities to amass such power.

The difference between Luke before and after the end of Empire Strikes Back is hard to miss.

Before he was a young man full of goodness but also full of emotion. He never waned from doing the right thing but he let his impulses get the better of him. He was so afraid for his friends that he let his fear consume him and left Dagobah to try and rescue them. But he was no use to anyone. He couldn’t even lift his X-wing out of the pond. He didn’t have the confidence, or the fortitude. He went to Cloud City unprepared to get maimed and had to GET rescued.

Then after it, he was different. He constructed his own lightsaber. His voice was controlled and less whiny (heh). He spoke fewer words but deeper, more eloquent ones. He was calm, level-headed, and acted with more patience, more REASON. When he met Vader again, he saved his father and defeated the Sith, giving the galaxy hope once again.

Not only did he did he act with patience, he GAVE patience to his father. He had hope for his father. Luke is like his mother that way, seeing that gorgeous soul behind the angry face of a suffering slave. And make no mistake, Vader WAS a slave. He was power incarnate but that power consumed him whole. He had nothing left to live for but his master’s bidding. But Luke never gave up on trying to save someone, no matter how entitled he was to hating him for trying to kill Luke and his friends. Rarely in hero fantasies do heroes defeat a villain by saving them.

Then when we saw him in the Mandalorian, he was a fully realized eerie guardian of the light. He came last second in a cloak to easily dismantle the threat that was causing Mando’s team such worry. His movements controlled, his mind mastered. His power unstoppable. Mando’s team was in awe of this mysterious being of legend.

THREE “Train yourself to let go of everything you fear to lose.”

Another way Jedi are unlike a typical hero is the lack of attachments. It makes sense that in order to keep that balance and emotional control, they must abandon certain activities. No vices, no big commitments other than the Force, and yes no romantic relationships.

Love is a powerful force. More powerful than anything in the universe. It often SAVES the universe in many hero’s stories, and rightfully so. Peter Parker’s love for the people in his life create endless joy and bliss. Phoenix’s love for her friends saved them and the universe. Batman’s love raised a legacy of protectors that could continue protecting a city on the brink of being swallowed by chaos.

But love can be volatile. Love can cause jealousy and grief and fear. People have thrown away dreams and opportunities for it. They’ve ruined their lives and other people’s lives over it. They’ve murdered over it. They’ve abandoned rationality for it. Why did the great city of Troy meet its end??? Why did an immature Luke suspend his training to go on a suicide mission that had negative results??

Committing to something that could have such a devastating effect is reckless and dangerous and so to be a Jedi, one must adopt the life a monk. Because love, no matter how good a person is, instills a lot of fear.

Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hatred…. You get the point.

Anakin didn’t heed this. Instead of abiding by the code, he got married in secret because he couldn’t make the selfless choice of abandoning all attachments for the Jedi Order. He then started getting visions of Padmé dying, and with this fear, he began acting irrationally and without balance. Now he wanted power. Power to save them ones he loved and he was willing to do anything for it, even submitting to the dark side for more power.

In the name of love, Anakin threw away his soul and did the equivalent of a school shooting, lead a genocide against his own kind, and helped destroy democracy in place of an Empire built on conquest. The same democracy that his wife worked her whole life to preserve and build.

And when she was afraid of who he became, he physically intimidated her out of anger. He put his hands on her (i mean the Force but same concept lol). The heart break cause her to faint and that heartbreak combined with the birth of their twins, she couldn’t handle the stress and died. Meanwhile Anakin was mortally wounded and became a terrifying Cyborg and discovered that his wife was dead.

In the name of love, Anakin Skywalker wanted power and became a monster in search for this power, but this same search killed the woman he loved and left him broken and a slave once more. He made a deal with the Sith and he lost EVERYTHING.

So um yeah. Best for Jedi not to date lol.

It’s a good subversion of the typical hero fantasy, and it is for good reason.

It makes sense why a lot of fans cannot accept this and make wild excuses such as the Jedi being evil or something and removing all agency from Anakin.

But I’m glad Luke stayed single. I’m glad Obi-wan controller his desire for Satine and I’m glad Ahsoka got over her crush on Lux.

FOUR “Your skills are complete.”

Another reason the Jedi are so compelling is their abilities and their structure.

They have supernatural powers but they also all use a terrifying weapon that requires profound skill and connection to the Force. This makes it enjoyable to consume because it’s not just a magic battling story. They are actually genuine knights.

They have a blade that they must practice using and they must use it with control and restraint. Strike down those who threaten peace but never attack first and NEVER an innocent.

And their structure. They are an order of brave warriors with the same title and same cause. They are quite literally a part of something bigger than themselves. “Jedi” is a not a superhero code name. It’s a life that many dedicate themselves to. I’m a huge fan of Green Lantern and so I’m a sucker for the GL corps and how “Green Lantern”, like “Jedi”, is a title donned by those who didn’t give it to themselves, but to those who earned it.

And as I said before, they are minimalist in attire and mysterious in demeanor. It’s a bit spooky how much they can turn the tides of a conflict.

CONCLUSION “May the Force be with you….”

The Jedi Order and Jedi Council were marvelous to know and it’s sad that they died. But Luke proved that all took was on Jedi to destroy tyranny.

I love the Jedi. They are my favorite type of fairytale hero.

Goodbye.

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What would Emperor Palpatine do if the Empire accidentally encountered the Lost Tribe Of The Sith?

The Lost Tribe of Sith was a Sith Order which formed on the remote planet Kesh located in Wild Space. It was founded in 5000 BBY after the warship Omen, carrying members of Sith Lord Naga Sadow's Sith Empire, was ambushed, knocked off-course, and forced to crash-land on the world. The Tribe quickly dominated the native species for thousands of years not aware that the Sith Empire fell or anything else that happened.

Stranded there accidentally for thousands of years living as a big Sith Tribe, not knowing the Sith Empire lost, not knowing anything about the galaxy, just imagine a Star Destroyer encountered the planet and landed and made contact with them and reported finding a planet full of Sith Lord's to Emperor Palpatine and Darth Vader.

Tons of recruits and tons of trouble, but they could easily join Darth Sidious if he met them and recruited them, just give them modern weapons and turn them into Sith Inquisitiors or something, they were all followers of Naga Sadow and he was very powerful, Palpatine might love this.

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u/Tidewatcher7819 — 2 days ago

Should there be a show about Rakatan Infinite Empire or Yuuzhan Vong?

The Rakatan Infinite Empire was mentioned in Andor and The Knights Of The Old Republic game, great stuff brutal Amphibians that were dark side users and cannibals and ruled the galaxy, could make a brutal story.

The Yuuzhan Vong were invaders from a distant galaxy that existed outside of the Force and lived only for war and conquest using living ships and weapons they would be perfect if their invasion was pushed back and they came along later, Rey and her Jedi Order would have a tough time with them but it could work especially if the galaxy comes together and fights back like they did against Palpatine.

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u/Tidewatcher7819 — 1 day ago

What was the History of the Galaxy from the earliest point to the start of the Phantom Menace at least according to George Lucas?

Granted, the guy is infamous for saying that he planned the Vader twist since the beginning whereas we know this is not the case. (then again Stan Lee kind of did the same thing when it comes to say he always visioned Magneto as a Malcom X figure despite that’s not how it was a presented when the first issues of X-Men were written?) so despite him being notorious for being not being consistent of what he said there are aspects to what he is saying that remain consistent over the years like the idea that Anakin became Vader because of a volcano which leader became Mustafar or in one of the behind the scenes documentaries on the Phanorm Menace where he says the Sith were founded by a fallen Jedi which was restated in the Novelization of the phantom menace.

but ever since I look at and read both Star Wars archives 1999-2005 (where he says the Sith operates a medieval feudal system and that whee he says no wars between the Jedi.) and the phantom menace novelization (where it has a Sidious talking about the history of the Sith.) I begin to be fascinated on what was his takes on the origins of the Jedi, the Sith, and the republic as well as how the Republic became corrupted overtime and Palpatine rise to Senator and Plagueis. Darth Bane and the Rule of Two As well as how did the corporations got their seat as was the moment that cause the taxation of the Trade Zones and why The Trade Federation pick Naboo compared to how Star Wars Canon and Legends.

Obviously, we know he only sees the clone wars and six movies as Canon, but I thought it’s worth interesting to point out. What was this take on the pre-Republic era or at least the old republic era in terms of what he said over the years, kind of like how people compiled what he had said on the backstory of the original trilogy before the prequels were made like that interview with Kasdan about Anakin fall and Palpatine rise to become Emperor so why not compile what he said on the ancient history or the pre-phantom menace era?

Like the only thing we know is that for Palpatine rise he wanted it be either in his cancelled underworld or a separate Palpatine spin off that Ian says a few months ago where he mention he planned to have showcase Palpatine rise and there was going to be an assassination. Basically he wanted Palpatine to have heartbreak tragic backstory which sounds godawful because Palpatine is supposed to be the literal Devil of Star Wars heck even Lucas says it himself in one of the Revenge of the Sith documentaries.

But it got me thinking assuming if he was really to have Palpatine rise be on his own show focusing on his time as Senator how would events leading to the Phantom Menace being similar but at the same time different from say Legends like most of what we know about this period is from the amazing novel by Clock of Deception by James Luceno with the Eriadu Trade Summit being the the trigger that lead to the taxation of the free trade zones.

but still it is interesting to imagined what Lucas version be like. For an example would he use the Eriadu Trade Summit or at least a similar event being the reason for why The free trade zones are getting taxation or something else entirely we know Lucas always has a mixed feelings with the EU. I’m mean the guy ignored a lot of what the EU presents like say the Clone Waes when he was making his own Clone Wars show and changing things up. (so maybe a different event with no EU references.) But at the same time he likes certain aspects of it that he likes the name of Coruscant from the Thrawn Trilogy that he use it as the name of the capital of the Republic. He also really likes the characters of Aayla Secura and Quinlan Voss from the comics that he put them in the movies especially Quinlan even though he was created for Phantom Menace as a background figure but the character personality was developed for the comics and he loved the character so much he mention him in Revenge of the Sith so Lucas is also a cherry picker when it comes what he likes from the EU.

granted this maybe a foul errand but I figured it is an interesting thought experiment to imagined on what Lucas history of the galaxy before the Prequels if he sees the Clone Wars (2008) and the six movies as his canon from what was told or presented in The Expanded universe?

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u/Glittering_Fix539 — 2 days ago

Something I’ve noticed across Star Wars media: conversations spoken in Basic by one participant and Huttese by the other.

Of course this originates with Han and Greedo, but that can likely be explained by their unwillingness to indulge one another by speaking in the other’s native tongue. But can anyone think of a reason why two beings on good terms wouldn’t just pick just one of those languages which they both obviously know to communicate with? I guess it’s cultural, but what would the underlying reasoning be, I wonder. Maybe the Huttese speaker must speak only Huttese for cultural reasons, but why then would the Basic speaker not use Huttese as well when speaking to them?

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u/MyUsernameIsAwful — 2 days ago

We always hear of a morally “balanced” Thrawn, however…

[Meta]- In “Heir to the Empire”, Thrawn murders a subordinate for not getting a lock on with a tractor beam. Later, in “The Last Command”, a similar instance of escape happens, yet Thrawn allows this operator to live. The circumstances and reasons differ, granted, and this is touted as Thrawn being more morally ambiguous, giving favor to innovation over ignorance, as the first instance involved a lack of training, and the second involved a total tractor beam failure as a response to an innovative , yet detrimental, snap decision by the operator. Thrawn spares this second man. However, having recently gone back over the archives, it is stated previously and repeatedly that Thrawn, in the short span between the second and third books, is now in a political game to keep the empires loyalty. C’baoth is “planting seeds of deception” and its later mentioned that they are bringing to take hold. While there is a tactical reason for this move, this is also a political reason. The entirety of it does beg the question though, is Thrawn more heavy handed when he has absolute authority?

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u/One_Inspection5013 — 3 days ago