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23rd Budokai Goku (no moon-bust scaling) vs Mark Grayson (Invincible Season 3)

Can Goku take on the man that (sorta) killed Conquest?

Match Stipulations:

• This fight takes place in the world tournament arena on Dragon Ball Earth.

• Both are in character, but willing to kill. Neither know anything about the other, but both think the other is evil.

• Goku does NOT scale to any moon-busting feat for the purpose of this fight, but his other feats are fair game.

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u/Inner_Ad7300 — 2 days ago

23rd Budokai Goku (no moon-bust scaling) vs. Superman (MoS)

Probably not the most original of matchups, but here we go.

Match Stipulations:

• They fight on Papaya Island, where the world tournaments are hosted on Dragon Ball Earth.

• Both are in-character, but willing to permanently cripple or kill each other to win. Neither would resort to harming innocent bystanders.

• Goku starts with his weights on. Neither know anything about the other.

• Goku does NOT scale to either moon-busting feat for the purpose of this match, but his other showings are fair game.

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u/Inner_Ad7300 — 3 days ago
▲ 5 r/ChainsawPowerscaling+2 crossposts

Who is the weakest HST/JJK/YYH/MHA/CSM character that can beat Raditz (using only the post info as evidence) 6/10 times?

Basically, I wasn't satisfied with the original post, and I deleted it. This would both serve as a revised version of the original, and give me of where Dragon Ball stands with my interpretation. Anyway, I have four categories to cover here, so let's get started.

Physical Strength/ Durability

Raditz's only strength feats are flicking a bullet back at a random farmer and one-shotting Goku with a single kick. A weaker Goku could do this, this and this. Pretty impressive, huh? Well, that's obviously nowhere near his upper limit. Raditz got wounded (but not killed) by this strike from Gohan; and a similar strike pretty pretty much obliterated his Attack Ball. Saiyans Attack Balls are tough they can tear buildings in half without stopping and be placed at ground zero of a city-vaporizing blast without taking any damage. The second part is hard to quantify, but tearing a large-ish building in half without stopping can be accomplished by a 100 ton object moving at velocities exceeding 1000 m/s. Gohan basically focused the energy of a real-world thermobaric bomb into a single strike, and his evil uncle walked it off.

Speed

Apart from catching bullets, all we know about Raditz's speed is that he can whoop Goku and Piccolo at the same time. The two of them are so fast they are FTE to people that are FTE to people that can catch machine-gun rounds. Also, Piccolo scoffed at the idea that he could not keep up with the supersonic (Mach 1.5) Flying Nimbus, and he did so while wearing weighted clothing. Assuming linear PLs, Raditz would be over four times as fast as the Nimbus.

Power Output

This might be his clearest stat. Raditz doesn't give a damn about Piccolo's uncharged ki blast, but he has to actively hold back Goku's Kamehameha (though he does it without damage). Piccolo's tantrum in that instance should be more powerful than this trench that he dug with a wave of his hand, and Goku's Kamehameha overpowered a more powerful version of this blast that created an explosion larger than a mountain. This is all good, but you should remember that people stronger than Raditz were shocked by this (rather deep) hole Nappa dug, and while he can create blasts just as big (or even bigger), it's not his casual output. Also, while he can seemingly reinforce himself to become tougher than a mountain, the beam that ended him only put a hole in a mountain.

Extra Stuff (For the Post)

Apart from answering the question, you can also present your criticism of the evidence I used if you want. So that I don't have to answer it later:

i. Each match is a 1v1 with each side having their standard kit. Raditz only has his armor and Scouter.

ii. Every fight takes place on the World Tournament Island in Dragon Ball, but with Dark Tournament rules: anything goes, and to the death.

iii. Both sides are in character, but willing to kill. Raditz is going to treat every fight the way he treated his fight with Goku and Piccolo.

iv. Assume energies are equalized. Raditz can kill Curses, Devils and Logias.

v. To ward off any other comments of FTL moon-buster Raditz, please only use the evidence in the post.

u/Inner_Ad7300 — 4 days ago

How accurate is this analysis of Raditz's strength?

This was supposed to for a Naruto post, but I ended up putting a little too much effort into it. Oh well. Give me your opinions in the comments.

Pretty high up there. Raditz doesn't have a lot of feats, but what we can extrapolate from the one fight he participates in implies an insane amount of power relative to Naruto. The first thing we see him do is [no-sell a serious (but probably not fully charged) blast from Piccolo. ](https://imgur.com/a/zo7V02e) While we don't have a solid frame of reference of how powerful the blast was, [Piccolo was capable of creating a massive water spout (several hundred meters tall) with as similarly charged blast five years ago.](https://imgur.com/a/0W054Xc) A quick Google search tells me that doing something like that would be achievable with large non-nuclear bombs, packing enough energy to level several city blocks. This wasn't the only time Raditz interacted with a ki blast though. Later on, while it's not casual this time, he manages to [catch Goku's Kamehameha and endure its detonation without taking any major damage.](https://imgur.com/a/sXIxsVT) There'd be no logical reason for Goku to not fire his Kamehameha at full power, so we can reasonably assume it was [more powerful than the one he used to blow away Piccolo's Explosive Demon Wave.](http://imgur.com/a/V5w6V) In the same fight, a previous Explosive Demon Wave [created an explosion larger than a mountain.](https://imgur.com/a/BvhFS8v) Not only can he handle attacks like this, [he can fire two similar sized blasts without the need to use a named attack.](http://imgur.com/a/Kq7G1) However, it's worth noting that what eventually did him in was [a ki drill that took out a large chunk of a mountain.](https://imgur.com/a/Df5WDF5) (Though that probably doesn't matter much...)

His strength and speed are pretty vague, but I feel comfortable with putting him in the same general park as [the Gohan that tore his Attack Ball into pieces.](https://imgur.com/a/8QF8ikf) As we'll see later on when Nappa and Vegeta arrives, Saiyan Attack Balls are so durable that impacting the ground with enough force to leave house-sized craters in the ground and [being near the center of a blast that vaporized a city](http://imgur.com/a/CKs7X) wouldn't even scratch their paintwork. Gohan [used the same strength to ram Raditz at full power,](http://imgur.com/a/xcWdT) and the latter was only staggered by the blow. (His armor did get cracked, but there wasn't exactly a Gohan-shaped cavity in his chest.) Taking things like surface area (of the blast compared to the Attack Ball compared to Gohan's body), I estimate the kid was striking with enough force to level several buildings/city blocks, and Raditz would be in that ballpark. Once again though, it is worth noting that [a physical impact of this magnitude put Raditz's superior near death's door,](https://imgur.com/a/znDhNjx) so he would likely just die if he was hit that hard.

As for speed, he was [capable of blitzing Goku and Piccolo, despite both removing their heavy clothing a few pages before.](https://i.imgur.com/7zM6DgQ.png) This is important because [Piccolo could keep up with Goku's Mach 1.5 Flying Nimbus *while* wearing said clothing.](https://imgur.com/a/QxA6wOj) Going off power levels alone, he's four or five times faster than that Piccolo, implying a top speed anywhere from Mach 6 to double that, depending on how easily Piccolo could keep up with it. Of course, this should be taken with a grain of salt.

TLDR: Overall, Raditz is a flying supersonic/hypersonic humanoid missile that can plow through large buildings with ease, ignore any offence short of a nuke, and level cities by sticking his arm in their general direction. He could take over the world if he wanted.

u/Inner_Ad7300 — 11 days ago