u/Isaac_Bahzad

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In your time in the FNAF theorizing space, have you met fellow theorists you now consider to be friends?

u/Isaac_Bahzad — 2 days ago

What would you say is your greatest contribution to the Theory Wiki?

It could be a piece of evidence you added or a theory you added or anything really.

u/Isaac_Bahzad — 4 days ago

Analyzing Williams role in the FNAF 4 mini-games

Introduction

Important Note: This will be under the assumption of WillPlush, WillSpeaker, MikeBro and BVAfton

Williams role in FNAF 4 is contested between many (many) different viewpoints. Quite a few people believe William to have hated his son and enjoyed watching his torment as he did nothing to prevent his death. (WillDespise) There are also many people that believe that he cared about his son with the Fredbear plush being his way of watching over him to ensure he's safe while William is away. (Any form of WillCare)

Today i wanted to look at the FNAF 4 mini-games, specifically Williams role in them. What does he do and say? What can be inferred from what we see directly on-screen? After going through each appearance of William in each mini-game I'll go over what i think is the most likely answer as to whether or not William truly cares about CC.

The theories i am going to be assuming are the ones i listed at the very top.

Pre-Night 1

The first time we hear Williams voice is at the very beginning of the game where we see him talking to CC in a black-void:

\"What did he do this time?\"

The first thing William ever says to CC is "What did he do this time?" and "He locked you in your room again" telling us that Mike has locked CC in his room before several times.

The next thing we hear William say is "Don't be scared. I am here with you" comforting CC in his time of great distress for the boy.

Finally after CC breaks down crying William says what will become a sort of catchphrase for him "Tomorrow is another day" telling CC that after today there is still something more for him.

What can we make of Williams dynamic with him and his sons off this? William is not physically present often allowing Mike the opportunity to frequently bully CC which he does. William possibly in response to Mike frequently bullying CC decides to use the Fredbear plush as his way of communicating and comforting CC.

This could imply that William does not punish Mike for bullying CC and lets this behavior slide.

Night 1

\"You know he is hiding again\"

There isn't much to talk about in this mini-game so lets make this quick. The only two lines  we hear William say are "You know he is hiding again" and "He won't stop until you find him" which tells us that William is fully aware of Michael hiding and jump-scaring his younger brother.

Afterward he says his catchphrase once more "Tomorrow is another day".

What else can this tell us? Compared to the first mini-game, not much. It further reinforces that CC is bullied frequently by Mike and that William is fully aware of it and warning CC that Mike is hiding again and is waiting to scare him.

Night 2

\"He left without you\"

The mini-game opens at Fredbears with William saying "He left without you" alongside "He knows that you hate it here" Implying either that when Mike and CC both went to Fredbears together and was meant to take CC home but didn't. Or it could tell us that Mike simply ditched CC at Fredbears leaving him alone and scared. Either way Mike knows CC hates the place and still abandons him there leaving CC incredibly scared.

The next few lines are of William telling CC to quickly leave the restaurant. If he disobeys and instead goes further in William warns CC by saying he shouldn't go there because of what he saw. This might be a sign of care as William either was there with CC when he saw "it" or was told about it later and wants to avoid triggering that trauma again.

After CC attempts to get to the exit someone wearing a Fredbear suit walks in prompting William to say that Fredbear is going to catch CC scaring him off to run away deeper into the restaurant. Which might be a sign of William knowing CCs fear of the animatronics  then encourages CC by saying he can get past the animatronics on-stage.

In this mini-game we also see an easter-egg containing William helping an employee into a Springbonnie costume which could imply that William despite being near CC is too consumed in his work.

After CC breaks down crying under a table William says his catchphrase once more and the mini-game ends.

Now what can this tell us? Well quite a bit actually.

Firstly William is sympathetic toward CC and could even be interpreted as showing empathy to the struggles of his son as he attempts to encourage him and comfort him when he's scared and doesn't want him to relive trauma he's been through. William despite this however is still caught up in his work being too busy to help CC even when the boy has been abandoned by his older brother and is incredibly scared.

Night 3

\"He hates you\"

Williams opening lines here are far more harsh and direct. He directly tells CC that Mike hates him and that he must quickly leave Fredbears. Although Mike hating CC isn't entirely accurate given Mike's apology in the Night 6 ending.

William tells CC "You can get out this time" implies that Mike has once again abandoned CC at Fredbears. Why does William keep getting Mike to watch over CC is unclear as William knows Mike has done this multiple times before.

Throughout the rest of the mini-games the Fredbear plush can be seen throughout the neighborhood watching CCs every move which could be a sign of genuine as in William wants CC to return home safely. Or it could be a sign of control namely watching what CC is doing at all times. Or in the end it could be both.

The last thing William says in this mini-game is "Be careful" which foreshadows Mike's jump-scare at the end.

With all of this in mind what can this tell us? William repeatedly tasks Mike with watching over CC at Fredbears to CCs detriment and William knows this. William is seemingly stalking his son on his way home which could imply he both wants him to make it home safely and wants to see how CC interacts with others in his neighborhood.

The Night 6 Ending

Important Note: In both the fourth and fifth mini-game the Fredbear plush is not present so I'll be skipping to the last time we see William directly interact with CC during the Night 6 ending.

\"I will put you back together\"

William in his son's final moments comforts him. Even keeping up the act of pretending to be the Fredbear plush telling him that his plushies and the Fredbear plush are still his friends and they still care about him.

William ends it off with "I will put you back together" implying some level of grief over his death and that he will rectify it.

Conclusion

Now it's time for what we've all been waiting for, does William love CC? Well after looking through the FNAF 4 mini-games I'd say it's... complicated.

On one hand William is incredibly purposefully neglectful as he repeatedly recognizes that Mike bullies CC frequently and even when present at Fredbears does not intervene.

But it's not like he does not care about CC or his well-being at all as he does consistently encourage and soothe his son through the Fredbear plush. So whats the true answer here? Does William love CC? He likely does but not in a normal healthy way. He either believes that what he is doing is adequate or he views Mike's bullying through a different light compared to most parents.

How so? I could see it as a way for William to get his son to toughen up, he may not have intended for Mike to ruthlessly bully CC at first but he took advantage of the situation to in a twisted way get his son to change and grow.

If William did not love CC in any way the plush's behavior throughout each mini-game would be incredibly odd. It wouldn't make sense for for him comfort CC in his last moments nor would he encourage CC to be strong while he is distressed.

If he was a normal loving parent he would not let Mike ruthlessly bully him for days with seemingly no parental intervention.

So in other words some form of WillCare (with CC at least) is likely. Probably not WillCare in it's base form but likely a form of WillTwistedCare.

EDIT: Video sources:

-Five Nights at Freddy's 4 ALL MINIGAMES

-FNaF 4 Night 6 End Minigame

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u/Isaac_Bahzad — 7 days ago

Unpopular Opinion: Mike should've been Cassette Man instead of Henry

The more I've been thinking about Henry's character the more i realize that his role in FFPS would've fit Mike far better then Henry.

Mike is already on a quest to "find his father" and has already (likely) attempted to defeat him once in FNAF 3 but failed. Instead of him applying for the role of franchisee in the hopes of ending everything once and for all instead it would've been so much better for him to take the initiative and plan out the end for his father, his siblings, and the MCI all of which he's been facing off with for years himself in the previous five games. It also gives Mike some much needed direct characterization and dialogue which was completely absent from FFPS.

The Insanity Speech could've also been so much better if Mike was its speaker as the main idea of the speech was that Henry was horrified at what William had done to the MCI and wants to lure them all back to put it all to an end. Given that Mike has been to SL and likely knew about Williams crimes seeing Mike show genuine distraught at what his father had done with him vowing he would put it all to rest would've been so much more narratively powerful then the narrative we got with Henry.

(Of course a few things with the speech would need to be changed such as "a wound first inflicted on me" and "Small souls trapped in prisons of my making" but besides that the speech actually works incredibly well with Mike)

Even the Completion/Lorekeeper speech would've been better with Mike. As instead of a character which we just found out exists in the games continuity ending everything after everything thats happened, its a character we have been playing as for the last five games and has gone through it all personally.

(Of course the "my daughter" lines would have to be taken out)

What about Henry? I honestly would say Henry should not have been introduced into the games continuity or He should've alongside Mike planned FFPS with the franchisee being someone else entirely.

u/Isaac_Bahzad — 8 days ago

If you believe in VanessaAfton and that "Bill" her father is William how do you interpret her story?

For context this is her story with "Bill"

CD 3-7140

  • Therapist: Hi! Go ahead, sit down.
  • Vanessa: I don’t know you. What happened to-
  • Therapist: Oh! We’ll get to know each other in no time. I’ve read through all your files so I feel like we’ve been talking for weeks. I feel like I know your dad, too. Bill, right? Your dad’s name was Bill?
  • Vanessa(Indistinct muttering)
  • Therapist: I’m sorry, what’d you say?
  • Vanessa: I try to do what I’m supposed to do. (faintly)
  • Therapist: I know you do. Your supervisor notes that you follow instructions perfectly. Your dad made you follow instructions, didn’t he? I’m talking about the custody battle between your mom and your dad. Your dad didn’t play it fair, did he? He used to make your mom look bad in court. I’m so sorry that happened to you. Do you want to talk about how that felt?
  • Therapist: I suppose I don’t need you to tell me it felt bad to have a parent scare you into saying things that weren’t true. He manipulated you. It wasn’t your fault. It’s really sad, but it’s common for one parent to use their child to hurt the other parent. I know your mom (STATIC) after she lost the custody case.
  • Vanessa: I was supposed to be a good girl. (faintly)
  • Therapist: What happened to her had nothing to do with you. Even though it was your testimony that did it. Was that testimony true?
  • Therapist: No, I didn’t think so, but your dad is to blame. Not you.
u/Isaac_Bahzad — 11 days ago

Ralph is referring to Foxy the animatronic in TWB, not Foxy the character (FoxyBite defense)

A common justification for what Ralph says on Night 1 of TWB not referring to Foxy being the culprit of the Bite of 87 is that he is referring to Foxy the character which Mangle would fall under rather then the FNAF 1 Foxy that was once Withered Foxy.

This argument is outright contradicted by the very last sentence where Ralph clarifies he is referring to the Foxy the animatronic that is currently hunting him down on Night 1.

u/Isaac_Bahzad — 12 days ago