Image 1 — An argument against AndrewTOYSNHK that I see brought up all the time, but doesn't make sense to m
Image 2 — An argument against AndrewTOYSNHK that I see brought up all the time, but doesn't make sense to m

An argument against AndrewTOYSNHK that I see brought up all the time, but doesn't make sense to m

Something I see brought up all the time in almost every TOYSNHK discussion is that for Andrew to be TOYSNHK, first you have to prove that Andrew is in the games. But that argument just makes no sense.

Let me use an analogy: There is a red apple on a table. The person you are with says that he will only accept that the apple is red, if you can prove that the apple exists... without using the apple. So now, without using the apple itself, you have to prove that that the apple on the table exists.

See how difficult and nonsensical that seems? It's the same thing with Andrew.

Let's just assume that you believe Andrew is TOYSNHK for a minute (this will be easy if you already believe AndrewTOYSNHK): That means that Andrew's one and only appearance in the mainline games is in UCN as TOYSNHK. Now, in a discussion involving AndrewTOYSNHK, someone tells you to prove that Andrew is in the games, and only then will they believe AndrewTOYSNHK. How are you supposed to do that? If Andrew's only appearance is as TOYSNHK, then how are you supposed to prove his existence without using TOYSNHK?

The answer is that you don't have to.

Proof of Andrew's existence shouldn't be, and isn't, a prerequisite for AndrewTOYSNHK. When considering TOYSNHK theories, AndrewTOYSNHK should be treated no differently then any other TOYSNHK theory with characters confirmed to exist in the games. The deciding factory of AndrewTOYSNHK shouldn't be proof of his existence outside of TOYSNHK, it should be whether you find AndrewTOYSNHK's evidence convincing. If you do, Andrew is in the games and is TOYSNHK, if you don't, Andrew isn't in the games and isn't TOYSNHK.

If AndrewTOYSNHK is true, then AndrewGames is true, not the other way around.

This isn't even the first time this has happened either, it happened with Edwin before SOTM was announced.

Before SOTM's first trailers and teasers, many people argued that The Mimic alone wasn't proof of Edwin's existence in the games, and that some other game character had to of been the creator of The Mimic. If you could prove that Edwin existed in the games, then that means he was the creator of The Mimic in the games, but because there was no other indicators other than that at the time, a large amount of people went with the belief that Edwin was just a parallel to another game character that created The Mimic (it was Henry, many people believed Edwin was a Henry parallel).

Then SOTM was announced, and as the trailers came out, it became obvious that Edwin was in the games and was the creator of The Mimic. Now, the only reason that the "EdwinGames debate" ended was because of SOTM, with TOYSNHK, his game came out 8 years ago and the AndrewGames debate hasn't ended. The main reason for that was because of how popular GoldenTOYSNHK is, and the fact that Andrew doesn't have any relevence outside of UCN and The Stitchwraith Stingers, so there was no reason to ever bring him up again. That was until ITPG and RTTP came out, and guess what they showed us? They showed us Andrew, and not only that, doubled down on connecting him to TOYSNHK. However, because many people can't agree on the canonicity of those two, and because they aren't mainline games, people haven't taken it as confirmation.

TLDR: AndrewGames isn't a prerequisite of AndrewTOYSNHK. If AndrewTOYSNHK is true, then AndrewGames is true, not the other way around. The deciding factory of AndrewTOYSNHK shouldn't be proof of his existence outside of TOYSNHK, it should be whether you find AndrewTOYSNHK's evidence convincing on it's own.

u/Jexvite — 2 hours ago

The Timeline of Fnaf 2 (in my opinion)

EDIT: I didn’t mean to put Jason in there with the DCI kids, I meant to put Lamar.

Thoughts on this?

u/Jexvite — 2 days ago

Was this guard from The Logbook supposed to be Jeremy Fitzgerald? It's presented as a creative writing prompt, but it does line up well with Night 6 of Fnaf 2. If so, would this change anything about The Bite of '87?

u/Jexvite — 3 days ago

Garrett is the Balloon Boy Figurine (GarrettBB)

Can you imagine we get a BB's Air Adventure segment in the third movie with Garrett as BB, that would be so peak

Anyways, thoughts on this?

u/Jexvite — 6 days ago

What is the deal with Chica's Feeding Frenzy?

For context: In the Cupcake Shoppe in the Pizzaplex, there is an arcade machine called Chica's Feeding Feeding. It isn't playable in SB, but it is playable in RUIN. When beating the arcade you are given Chica's voicebox, which Cassie can then give to Chica before she dies.

Anyways, I was replaying SB and notices that one of the duffel bag messages talks about Chica's Feeding Frenzy. It says how it won't turn off, even when it is unplugged. We have seen that happen before. In Tickets To Fun, we learn that the same exact thing was happening with arcade machines at Freddy's in the 80s/90s, and we know that the reason for that is because those arcade machines were haunted by memories/agony. But the same exact thing is happening with Chica's Feeding Frenzy at the Pizzaplex, wouldn't this imply that it is also haunted?

When we play this arcade in RUIN, one of the enemies in the game is literally just Vanessa. So there is something weird going on here.

And it's not like this duffel bag message was placed to tell us about Chica's Feeding Frenzy like the game does with Monty's Gator Golf of Princess Quest (Chica's Feeding Frenzy was originally supposed to be playable in the base game). With the duffel bag messages about Monty's Gator Golf of Princess Quest, they are far away from the arcade machines and usually tell us where to go, they are placed in the game to incentivize the player to investigate and play these arcades. But with Chica's Feeding Frenzy, the duffel bag message is literally like 30 feet away from the arcade machine. So it's not just like it was added to tell us about the existence of Chica's Feeding Frenzy, because the duffel bag and arcade machine are literally within the same area 30 feet away from each other

idk, it just feels like there's something more to this arcade machine then it first seems. Especially considering that there is some other weird stuff related to Chica in SB (such as the weird Chica shrine thing in the sewers)

tldr: Chica's Feeding Frenzy might be implied to be haunted by memories/agony, and there might be more to this arcade machine then we first thought

u/Jexvite — 8 days ago

Happy 41st Anniversary of the Missing Children's Incident!

Gabriel, Jeremy, Susie, Fritz, and Cassidy.

Freddy, Bonnie, Chica, Foxy, and Golden Freddy.

The most important characters in all of Fnaf and what the entire lore is centered around, it has been exact 41 years since they died on June 26, 1985 (technically they die later this night, during the "late hours of the day" if you want to get really specific).

Considering that it was likely Gabriel's birthday when the MCI happened, this could also be considered a happy birthday to Gabriel, as he would be turning ~50 around now.

Anyways:

  • What are your theories/beliefs about the MCI?
  • What do you think of the MCI's role in Fnaf's story over years? Across all continuities.
  • If you could change something about the MCI's story/place in the lore, what would it be?

For me, the theories I believe are: MCI85, WillStuff, MoltenMCI Alter-M, LeftyMCI, ShatterVictim, CassidyFritzSiblings, TCHSYMCI, and YellowRabbitMCI

u/Jexvite — 10 days ago

Happy 41st Anniversary of Andrew's death!

It's been 41 years since Andrew has died... probably. RTTP shows us a kid that died on June 24, 1985, and ITPG heavily implies that Andrew died shortly before the MCI. So it's safe to say that Andrew died on June 24, 1985.

  • What are your theories/beliefs about Andrew?
  • What do you think of his character in general?

For me, I believe: AndrewGames, AndrewHomeless, AndrewPreMCI, AndrewAttach, and AndrewTOYSNHK (with UCNDissent)

u/Jexvite — 12 days ago

The theories I believe for each game

There's also GodTree, which I wanted to include but there wasn't really a place for it. Also, the reason I have question marks next to HippoOMC and EntityOMC is because I'm not sure what I think of OMC, but those two theories seem to be maybe the most likely right now.

Thoughts on this?

u/Jexvite — 13 days ago

What created Eleanor?

I’d say that she was created by the MCI, considering that she is most likely just an extension of The Pit.

Although the idea of her being this ancient being who happened to stumble upon William and FazEnt is so cool and I wish it was canon

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u/Jexvite — 15 days ago

How do the Gods in Minecraft work? Also, what is Ender specifically? Is it a God? Or is it something else?

u/Jexvite — 19 days ago

Do you like the whole Nightmare Experiments plotline?

I have seen a lot of people hate it, but a lot of people also like it. So out of curiosity what do you think of The Nightmare Experiments and why?

In my opinion, the way that the Nightmare Experiments are used in the lore as of now is not good.

It feels like Scott couldn't decide between Fnaf 4 being a nightmare or being an experiment, so he just took the weird middle-ground that we are in right now. Where Fnaf 4 is a nightmare, but it is also identical to the Nightmare Experiments, that we have only actually seen in a book, and that Mike also might've gone through the experiments off-screen while simultaneously having his nightmares be caused by Fnaf 1. It's a very odd route to take.

However, I think that if Scott had gone all-in on the Nightmare Experiments from the start, and really leaned into it, it could've worked really well. Possibly even better than the traditional story of Fnaf 4 being Mike's nightmares/trauma.

The main reason I'm asking this is because I'm working on a post that would describe how I would remake/reboot the Afton Saga Fnaf games, and I've had this idea to really lean into the Nightmare Experiments, and have SL be much more intertwined with Fnaf 4.

So, what is your opinion on all this?

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u/Jexvite — 20 days ago

Do you think that FNaF: Balloon Circus was an actual game that was scrapped? If so, what could it have been like/about?

u/Jexvite — 22 days ago