u/Kashiwashi

While I am familiar with other typological systems, I am not familiar with socionics.

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As it seems equally well structured, but may be less flexible than CSJ's system, I imagine getting satisfaction from learning the system.

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But, anytime Se as a function is concerned in theory, my motivation to continue further dies and frustration appears, as not only the definition significantly differs from MBTI, OPS, EgoHacking, even CT, but it also always appears in the context of an accusation or an attempt to premurder/cut off all the image/status/authority a person, accused of using this function in their ego block, could potentially gain.

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It is described as physical to a violently primitively animalistic level, forcible, assertive and strong on willpower. The opposite of what is valued in first world countries. So, it's fair to say, in western civilization's eyes Se would be perceived as inherently evil and possibly low IQ for defamation purposes.

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Coming from CSJ's theory, Se always went along with a lack of willpower, due to Ni being defined as willpower, which made complete sense to me, as a clear future vision could only occur through willpower as the cause. Filtering and selecting options/perspectives/predictions is entirely a product of willpower, which accepts and rejects. Every agenda is rooted in personal will.*¹

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Before he started the HCT/UCT, "e" after a function meant, that it was entirely externalized. Meaning, Se became the entertainment function, trying to give constant sensory/entertainment to others. In Socionics this is perceived as Fe for some reason. Let me ask, why?

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Fe was always bound to selflessly caring for others, strengthening others' Fi (self worth) through kindness and compassion.

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Wanting to be admired or revered for some sort of performance/joke/entertainment is quite the opposite of empathy/selflessness and not really ethical or ethically aware as well, isn't it?

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*¹isn't wrath/anger/aggression rooted in emotion? How does it come, it is a perceiving function then? And why is perceiving a synonym to irrational? Try using it on the example of Nx, rather than Se.

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What about the aspects of nurture? Couldn't you break any Sociotype to be dragged out of their ego into naturally less preferred blocks, which would take over their entire attitude to life? That is the meaning "trauma" by textbook definition. And everyone deals with lots of trauma during their lifetime. Does Socionics claim (selective) trauma immunity? E.g. Se types were too strong to be traumatised, which is confusing again, as strenght mostly refers to Si in where I am coming from.

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So, would you like to help me understanding the background to why Socionics makes certain conclusion, so I could sympathize with the system better?

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Please, be respectful and don't devalue me. I already got light experience with people becoming furious because I dared questioning their beloved system.

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On all the various MBTI-related subs, "growth" is romanticised, while not being defined further.

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To me, it appears like a propaganda term, defining sth. subjective, which is perceived as an expectation from the outside to develope in a very certain direction, mostly within the idealism of an Ni-lead user, who believes to know, what was best for self and others. So, growth becomes authoritarian submission, and people are expected to assume for themselves, which "growth" exactly society expects.

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Couldn't it be self-deception as well, to help people cope with miserable changes?

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If nothing is meant to literally grow physically, why using "grow" then? It blurres the actual expectation behind it, which is adaptation or achievement.

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Is it adaptation or achievement?

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How do you think about "growth"?

This subreddit is my 3rd most important source of entertainment after discrd-phoning & mentally withdrawing into believing, one's will was fulfilled.

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Therefore, it's sad to see no action going on here. I would be fine with any input, absolutely anything to work with, joke about, argue about,...

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Unlike other MBTI-related subs, the content here always feels relevant and appealing. And the discussions really do have infinite potential, which for most of the cases stays unused, as people are satisfied after a two-comments-for-each-individual-discussion, what wouldn't satisfy me.

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Bring topics up. There are so many subjects to explore in this world.

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This subreddit could be your new home, why would you neglect it?

Neither I know, what the song is about, nor do I understand the story told by the MV (I would appreciate any help, though), but I love that song, I love the outfits, this unique aesthetics provided by the blurred vintage filter. At first, I thought, it would be sth. similar to Momusu's Utakata Saturday Night, but the actual song underlines the aesthetics even better.

The biggest surprises were, Okagoshi Seira. At first, I did not like her visually and asked myself why she was picked instead of this 25-year old clone of Tsugunaga Momoko, but the longer I look at her, the more potential I am seeing. She embodied her role in the MV pretty well, and has strong unique visuals, not that repetitive cute Yuka-Rei look.

Then, I like the role of the bartender, Kurumi good. Despite her being placed at the last corner in the back, she got enough screentime for her to shine. She is on the level of Matsui Jurina and even looks like her, why won't they risk her centering a single? This member deserves her subscribers to multiply with ×100.

Last one, Keito. OMG, ofc I enjoyed her since Hatsukoi Shijou Shugi and prior, but she was this naive little girl, of which noone knew, if she was going to rise or end in under. But, since her new haircut, she is a bomb, a real star, it suits her so well. It doesn't look as wild on her as on Furuhata Nao, but it looks extremely fresh instead. Such an improvement in likeability. She could be a solo artist. I'm wondering, what her role in the MV was.

https://youtu.be/U8I3\_t0DD2A?is=eB4VOHe1QYD0DHNd

I hope, this does not violate rule 4. If it does, I am officially angry at this rule, because it is supposed to not exist.

https://preview.redd.it/j45r19kkwwxg1.jpg?width=545&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a595e52bc5ef70c90e74e7cbb2acbd87727112b8

Those are the members, earning relatively high/special positions in under songs.

Who of them would you guess to be attending senbatsu next?