Like = kindred, duality, activation, business (?)
Depends = social benefit when I'm the benefactee, mirror
Dislike = quasi-identical, exstingishment, conflict, superego, social benefit when I'm benefactor
must have
nice to be
nice not to be
deal-breaker
I want a solid rock that would ground me without dominating me (quietly taming my attitude). people said I'm dominant and like to dominate, but it's not like I want a 100% submissive partner—I don't want to mother someone. I have a tendency to go against my "targets"' ideal type, teasing and challenging them (almost mocking)—it makes me feel irresistible when they fall for me. maybe I have a sensitive ego/identity? Idk, don't tell me how I should be or behave; it won't result in any good. I was born to be a contrarian (but gentle advice is appreciated)
during the talking stage... I don't like easy people. hm, how should I explain that? I want to feel the chase and push-pull that goes both ways. when they have good ethics and/or principles—like an immovable rock—that my flirts mean nothing to them, it makes me respect them, feel safe and challenged. Idk, I just have a tendency to test and tease my targets and put them under my microscope (I've been called FBI). I like being mysterious, ambiguous, and incomprehensible. I love it when we have a passionate connection and talk poetically like in movies or literature. people said I like to play mind and psychology games, a bit too calculating. Idk, I mean no harm, truly :(, but I do like games... I'm flirty and "suggestive"; the degree depends on the targets. but I won't give myself—or even personal information—too easily, you know? for interesting mystery
in relationships. oh, do you think you've won? don't fool yourself! prepare for some dramas and conflicts, but don't mistake it for me doing it for no reason at all. humans are dynamic, baby. we also should keep our bond passionate and interesting. we're teaming up now, but that doesn't mean my contrarian nature completely disappears. I don't care what kind of dynamic is socially acceptable, as long as it's fair and you respect me—also cus each individual has differing qualities/mastery... I have not yet stayed in a relationship for too long, so that's all
talk about what now? oh, roles. we can discuss it later. I believe in fair distribution and teamwork; it's us against the world, baby. one note, tho: I don't like to spend too much time in the kitchen. I happen to not like washing dishes either, or washing fish and other things with a fishy smell (I can barely eat them). and, let's forget about children, yeah? unless we find ways where I don't need to take care of them for long, long hours (let's spend it to experiment in bed instead ;))
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Thought this was fun, so here I go:
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🩵Looks is a necessary but insufficient condition.
I want my ideal partner to be good-looking. Don’t have to be traditionally attractive, but she should have some specific facial and physique I particularly adore: tall, muscular and lean. So athletic.
🩵Personality wise, I want this person to be strong-willed, intelligent, outspoken, genuine and caring. Preferably has good people skills and wide deep useful connections because I feel tired doing them all by myself & it’s not my best skill so far. However, she can’t overpower my own social circle, since socializing is a muscle: if you let others do it, you’ll lose your own ability to do that.
🩵She should be very good in bed, like knowing how to create intense experiences. At the same time, she should not rely on sex for intimacy, as there are many non sexual ways to do that & I do not like to talk abt sex all the time. Being sex averse is a big NO.
🩵I like physical touch a lot. Cuddlemaxxing I would love my ideal partner to be very huggable—and—very handy; being able to fixing stuff and building stuff is very attractive to me.
Also, good sense of direction, like never getting lost even without a map. But if not, it’s ok.
🩵I love to play “power games” with my ideal partner, it’s stimulating and a sign of mutual trust with intimacy.
I like to be the one in control more often.
🩵but deep down we must be equal. I don’t like huge power imbalances in any way, like one is financially dependent on the other. But some temporary acts based on reciprocity are good, such as paying the bills when the other person is still busy looking for a job(and they will do the same for me undoubtedly later)
🩵She can’t be too close-minded: at least medium in openness. She should not be very nitpicking and impatient with things that’s not familiar. I would love to have some conversations with her about various topics & we share mutual views, agree to disagree etc. And I expected her to tell me to stop the yapping and focus on my important main agenda when it’s distracting my attention. Plus, on some fundamental beliefs we should always align with each other, or it would be a breakup.
I’ve been typed as ILI for the bigger part of my life, but it never really made sense, and LIE (harmonizing>creative subtype) fits like a glove besides the cognitive style (VS, I’d say I have DA). Been jumping between types like a rubber ball trying to figure out what I could be instead. Let me paint you a picture:
I’m a stubborn, jovial, romantic and generally careless optmist and have been for all my life, but I’m also majorly at odds with existential and theological topics, as in ’I quarrel with and try to solve them’. Would also say I was practically socially disabled during my childhood, with a sudden spike of competence somewhere in my late teens.
For a long time I’ve been looking for a partner who won’t mind my restlessness. It’s a pleasurable, hot-hearted, and in my opinion 'good' restlessness that makes me want to constantly be on the move, doing something, making something happen, closing the distance with someone, occupying my mind and pushing distractions to the back of it. If I slow down my head unfortunately floods with pedantry and paradoxes, it’s just not good for me overall. I don’t like being existential but it easily turns out that way. And when that does happen my mind either collapses or I accelerate. If I’m not accelerating (in any sense of the word) nothing makes sense to me. Luckily I have a disposition towards exactly that; acceleration of myself, others and endeavors.
My close family would call me a living paradox. Fickle, naive, merry, restless, unpredictable and constantly eager but at the same time robotic, bold, stuck in my head and unnecessarily scrupulous. On the outside ILI might fit at times but I really don't see or care for negatives in any endeavor, and ILI is frequently described as this sulky, dark and foggy man with an unending magazine of pessimism (that's practically what they're good for). When I'm with SEEs I essentially have to pretend to be pessimistic. If someone warns me I unconsciously brush it off since in my head any situation--regardless how bad it might look from the outside--is simply some determination, a few bold steps, a few handshakes and a God trusting mind away from making it back up. Even if I were to get into one of those 'really bad' situations like ending up on the street or getting fired from a job, I would not mind. If anything I'd be exhilarated and motivated to find another solution. I'm also not a "teller of unpopular truths" in any sense of the word, might even be too accommodating in most cases.
I guess the roadblock is how well dialectical-algorithmic cognition fits me. I've always had a tendency to counterpoint and criticize my own thinking to the point of breaking down whatever reality I convinced myself of, but only during times of idleness, when my constant inner excitation and thirst for movement has nowhere to go. Would also say I attach some kind of 'purpose' to events and things, considering that the reason an event occured is due to whatever it brought about. What was 'intended'. E.g."I only failed this time because I was supposed to be humbled so that I could work on myself and get back up again".
I’ve been obsessively working out almost all my life as an outlet, but only recently did I discover how good sprinting is for me. Great treatment for my restlessness as I can simply run faster each time (to an extent obviously), and I don’t mind breaking my body at all. To point that towards Si PoLR, I've also always had an unnatural endurance when it comes to physically taxing environments and a complete disregard for the taste and freshness of food.
Appreciate any feedback!
Hi everyone! I hope youre all doing well, wherever you are in this beautiful night or day.
I wanted to ask for help clearing up some confusion in my head and finally figuring out my type.
Ive been interested in typology for a few years now, and i have to admit that understanding myself has always brought me comfort. Knowing why you act the way you do and how your mind naturally works can feel really reassuring.
But when it comes to socionics, i feel stuck. Im constantly unsure of myself and somehow feel like both EII and IEI at the same time. Ive researched this topic a lot, yet i still cant confidently decide. What would you recommend i do to clear the “clouds” in my head and see myself more objectively? Id also really appreciate it if someone could point out some noticeable differences between EII and IEI.
I understand that according to Jung's definitions, intuition is quite unconscious and vague.
Isn't intuition in socionics much more conscious and correlated with a conscious and active imagination instead of gut intuition?
Are there detailed and imaginative intuitive types or is this more connected to logic or sensory?
I yearn for a man who is ambiverted, but more introverted than I am. Mysterious! I’d like him to ideally be interested in the social sciences—particularly philosophy—so he could educate me on it, because I like when people explain things to me. He should also be apt at fixing things, cooking meals, domestic things, you know… I don’t really like taking care of that.
In return, I will take care of the children—I am very good with kids—their education, giving them freedom and inspiring their imaginations and getting them in touch with themselves and interested in bettering the world. I will take care of social situations, I will delight him and entertain him. I want to be a princess; he should open a jar for me because I’m weak. I want to be the showgirl. I want to surprise him sexually and do crazy things so he is never bored. I want to be babied and have my physical needs taken care of—he must feed me when I’m sick, for example—but he must also be aggressive in bed.
I also like a bit of drama in relationships. I like the tension of feeling delicate and protected. Sometimes I can even cry on command just to incite his instinct to care for me and protect me. I’ll grab his hand purposefully so he can admire how small and delicate I am in comparison. But somehow, at the same time, I am also like a whimsical child who makes him see the world in a more colourful light—someone who brings wonder, playfulness, softness, and a little magic into his life.
Did you retype yourself? I did. I thought for the longest time, that I was an IEE. Indeed, I showed strong value and ability for Ne at the time, jumping from one interest to another. I was very aware of friend groups, friendships between people, inherent qualities. That was when I was younger, and I did not greet the world, did not face challenges.
As I became older, I think I changed a lot. My worldview shifted multiple times, and I became quite unsure of myself. I always revered destiny, I was always upbeat and jovial. You know how the type you assigned for yourself can affect even your perception, so I felt some ambient discongruence.
Anyways, very recently did I realize I was an EIE afterall, which shocked me. This was the personal motivation to write about Se's perception in the first place. I am ideologically opposed to subordination, even when I was younger, so Se being associated with subordination, exertion of will against others, the fight-like nature did not sit with me. Perhaps this is why I chose a more harmonious Si-valuing type for myself. Sitting as a more mature man, we must be careful in our descriptions because they have affected me. I denied being a Beta quadrant because they seemed too rowdy, too militaristic.
How many Se-types among you initially thought of yourself as a Si-type? How many Ni-types among you initially thought of yourself as a Ne-type? How many among you changed types at all? What was the reason for the initial diagnosis, what caused a revision?
Personally, I feel like I'm a more imaginative SLI who has learned how to clumsily navigate social dynamics. What makes me second-guess this is that I actually possess a lot of internal sentimentality. I also think I might be a bit too eager to open up about my inner feelings and personal experiences with close friends for a typical Fi-mobilizing type.
Also I'm a big daydreamer and romantic. I fantasize romantic scenarios in my head all the time, ponder a lot about existential issues, and I like to help my partners with their inner worlds and care for their emotions, while still caring for them physically and protecting them. Doesn't fit the boring unimaginative SLI curmudgeon stereotype.
I consider myself socially ambiverted, leaning towards introverted.
That said, I’m almost 100% certain I’m a Si-ego type (or at the very least, Si-mobilizing+). I would describe my relation to Si and Se as homeostasis:
Fi and Fe:
Te and Ti:
Given all of this, do you think that SLI is a good fit? Maybe other type would fit better?
The Reddit automatic-banning algorithm is totally out of control. I guess it's because he posted external links?
Hey. I decided to try filling out this questionnaire to better understand my type, because right now I'm stuck and kind of torn between options. I'd really love to read your opinions and get some help. Long post, probably.
1. How much do you enjoy novel experiences? Are there places you would like to visit? Is there any food you would find interesting to eat at least once in your life? Are your holidays usually spent traveling?
I don't mind new experiences, but I feel like I prefer more mental experiences like a new episode of a show, something that starts my thought process gives me material for fantasies. As for places I'd prefer Asian countries. I'm drawn to their culture, the general vibe, the aesthetic, the atmosphere, how unusual it feels. I know my knowledge of these countries is limited to video games, aesthetics and a couple of dramas, but that's probably the only place I'd actually want to go. That said, I recently traveled to the capital of my country. I liked it, but it exhausted me. I walked around the zoo for two hours, got tired, got a headache and had to rest. I think I get sensorily exhausted easily while traveling. Not sure how to phrase it better.
Food? Not really craving anything specific. I'm picky. If a dish looks suspicious, I won't even put a spoon in my mouth. It's not like I'm that interested in exploring that kind of external thing.
Holidays? I usually spend them at home, on my phone, where most of my actual life happens. I watch videos, series, movies that interest me fantasizing, drowning in them, escaping into those worlds. I like having the freedom to not leave my burrow and not be touched by anyone.
I have a habit of eating junk or not-so-healthy food though I can eat healthy things too like berries and fruits. I think that's related to my eating disorders. But I saw somewhere that eating for taste, keeping someone company while watching something alone, could be a sign of Si. Just a hypothesis I want to check. I also like going to the lake or to faraway stores with my family to get some fresh air. In the car I'm always in my headphones, listening to music, drowning in fantasies and images. I don't mind helping my grandparents at their dacha either I'm actually useful with physical work. I can keep going even when tired (not forever though), work with my hands while my head stays free. Automatic actions, thoughts busy with something else.
2. Are you a spiritual person? Are there any religions you practice or believe in? Do you generally get interested in these kinds of things?
No, I don't consider myself spiritual. Agnostic or atheist. There are religious people around me, but I never adopted their experiences. As a child I saw going to church and religious things as more of a fairytale something amusing for kids, but strange that adults get so worked up about it. I haven't found a reason to believe. But I think I understand why others do. Knowing that after death you'll be eaten by maggots while rotting away, and your soul won't meet anyone or go to Heaven. That's hard. People need a reason to live, something to believe in. They can't accept that there's nothing after death, so they turn to religion.
For me, it's interesting as an idea that maybe there is something after like peace in The Master and Margarita. I like exploring different works that touch on these themes angels, demons, the whole aesthetic can be captivating. But I see it as fiction. Interesting lore to study, to immerse myself in. I doubt Heaven is waiting for me. Hell, probably and I definitely won't be alone there.
That said I do make wishes when I see matching numbers on a clock, or blow out candles. Not sure where that fits. I wouldn't say I don't believe in miracles at all part of me is curious and wants to believe I'll find something interesting, something mystical, that will free me from some real-life problem. Like Fran Bow or Sal Fisher.
3. Are you a popular person? Do people enjoy being in your presence? When talking to people about exciting or novel things, does it come easily to you?
Unpopular and calm. Quiet. I get louder and more noticeable around people I'm used to who I've spent a long time with. But I can't fully let loose or go wild with them it's uncomfortable, I don't feel like I fit in.
I'm often off in my own head, not expecting to attract anyone's attention. But when someone does notice me. It touches me, makes me shy. People have said I'm pleasant, cool. I don't judge them, I try to help, I bail them out if they ask or even if they don't if they've become close to me. I think at least some of the people close to me find me comfortable to be around. But I can't read minds.
It's easy for me to talk to people about my interests like a series, a character (I will defend Frontman until death) sharing theories, my thoughts. But I've noticed I get nervous doing it. My insides go cold, my hands start trembling a bit. Maybe because it touches me. it's something internal, and I'm pushing it outward. It's uncomfortable. After saying something like that I kind of want to hide. I like it when people can build on the conversation, but at the same time my anxiety kicks in. I love the Resident Evil game series. About two months ago a girl from my group came up to me and said she had no one to talk about the new Requiem with so let's talk. It was…I don't know. Pleasant. Awkward. Scary. Embarrassing? A weird feeling inside, hard to describe. I talked, but it didn't feel natural or open for me. Still, it was flattering that she came to me, that it was my interest, and I could talk about it.
4. Are you a productive person? Can you say that you are good at finishing draining projects?
I'm not sure how to objectively rate my own productivity. I'm avoidant. I don't like activities where I have to interact with people a lot and then listen to their criticism especially if they're picky and not the most pleasant people. I don't follow plans or instructions strictly, though I can try. Overall, I tend to look for workarounds l to stress less and free up time faster so I can go back to things I actually enjoy. Draining projects drain me. So I want to dump them as fast as possible, finish them somehow just to be done or find someone else to do them. I'll offload them onto someone if they don't mind and it's not too rude of me. I'll give up entirely if a project demands too much and I can't be bothered spending time on something so uninteresting. I get distracted easily no matter what I'm doing. I'll go take a nap or read a notification that a black widow's venom is fifteen times stronger than a rattlesnake's. So I'd say I'm pretty random. What I will finish with quality is what I'm actually interested in.
5. Are you prone to action? How do you deal with things unfolding differently than you would like them to? What factors do you consider when a situation is unacceptable to you? How loose are your criteria for feeling like everything is going optimally?
I don't think so. I seem to myself often absent not exactly prone to action. That takes effort. If things go differently than I'd like I freeze. That might sound strange, but it's true. I need to leave. I disappear into my thoughts, processing the situation. I need to be alone. To actually act, I need someone to push me someone to lead the way or shove me from behind. I'm not sure how I feel about being pulled and dragged into action. I think there can be some inspiration in that. Anxiety is a given. On some kind of autopilot, I feel like I'm doing things while also not really being there. I can put things off for a long time, especially if the person involved is unpleasant and pressuring. There's a coursework I need to submit to a deeply uncomfortable woman very picky, strict, arrogant. And I'm stalling. I've already missed the deadline, but I still haven't brought it in. I don't want to listen to her, even though I know time isn't on my side and I should go submit it.
A situation is unacceptable to me if I'm treated rudely, pressured, not heard or understood, criticized harshly, yelled at. Then I just want to leave, stop trying, retreat into myself. That's a red flag. Everything is optimal when things are calm. When I don't make serious mistakes. When tasks get checked off, the minimum threshold is met. When no one criticizes me. When no one is screaming or laughing loudly around me.
Describe your relation to authority and how you act when things go unfavorably for you in a social situation. Think about professional environments.
Authorities are often wrong and can treat lower-ranked people with disdain sometimes acting arrogantly. I've seen that. But they can also be competent and courteous, making you want to work with them. It depends on the person. I approach them with suspicion, trying to figure out which category a given authority figure falls into to understand my options, how working with them would go, what to do with them. When things go against me in a social situation, I try to defuse it with a joke. Or I freeze slightly again, wanting to teleport to my room. I feel awful in those moments exposed and awkward. I think the reaction is the same in professional environments as anywhere else. Except that sometimes you have to keep yourself together in responsible situations and try to act, to find a way out. That said, I can also be the only one who answers loudly and clearly to a pushy, unpleasant person. That reaction sometimes surprises even me. It comes from principle. Even if I'm scared and uncomfortable I don't want to let that person feel superior or think everyone's afraid of them. But of course I'm not always like that.
6. When engaging with complex factual data, how do you react to a high and unfamiliar difficulty level? Do you find enjoyment when digesting difficult information? Some say knowledge is power — how do you relate to this statement?
I can be interested, but if it gets too hard I put it aside. Maybe I'll come back later. Maybe not. I enjoy it when the information comes together into a beautiful picture, not when I have to force myself through boring text and suffocating requirements. I absorb things much better through discussion with others or through practice. Hard information can be okay to try, but I'm not that meticulous, I won't dig for thirty days where progress is minimal. Although sometimes, out of pure stubbornness, I keep trying getting a little angry if it doesn't work.
Yes, I think the statement is true. You can acquire random knowledge that ends up being useful in life you never know. But I don't feel like I actively search for information for five hundred years. Maybe it's just something I do unconsciously catching things I remember, things I'm passionate about from my interests. When that kind of knowledge comes in handy, it's situational. I prefer languages, literature, psychology stuff like that.
Describe your preferred way of gathering information.
I prefer getting information visually through showing. Visual is my strongest. Audio is the hardest I get lost. I often write things down like math problems that you're supposed to solve in your head, but I need to see them.
7. Are there any hierarchies that you care about? Do you trust yourself to get to the top if you so desire? Did you ever feel like you had some inherent talent that others lacked? How often do you engage in disputes about worldviews?
The hierarchy in my educational institution, teacher-student, head student-regular student. I'm not a hardcore fan of hierarchies, though I do think about them. I wouldn't mind not being at the bottom. I think it's possible I could reach the top if I wanted to but with difficulty. It would be hard because I don't like pressure and stress. You'd need to put in a lot of effort, spend time on things that might not be as interesting as my favorite, comfortable activities. On one hand, the idea is appealing being important, having meaning in the hierarchy, being special somehow. But that translates into reality where it's not so easy to achieve, and the idea itself seems more attractive than the implementation.
Yes, I've definitely felt like I had a talent others lack. I still feel smart, educated, successful compared to my friends or close ones. Though I'm not sure it's entirely true. That feeling flatters me maybe it's called superiority or something, but that doesn't mean I see others as lesser. It's more a sense of identity, a certain particularity that I like.
I don't think I engage in disputes about worldviews more about statements that seem meaningless to me, when I can't understand how someone doesn't want to see past their own nose. Other people's worldviews aren't my business as long as their views don't affect me or get in my way.
Elaborate on how you fit into society at large.
I don't really feel like I fit in. I see myself as individual, even detached. I keep to myself until I get used to a place and feel like the people are comfortable. Even then, when I'm with them, I can still feel like a black sheep though that's a bit dramatic. I often don't know or feel sure about what to do or how to behave. I don't want to look like an idiot, ruin everything, become a target or someone others wouldn't want to help. That's both disadvantageous and unpleasant.
8. Think of your favorite thing in the world. It could be an object, a person, or even an idea. What came to your mind first? Do you think that everyone should feel the same way? Do you care enough to actively strive toward attaining said thing?
I had to think. Fantasies. My fantasies about another life in another world with other people. I actually did a similar exercise with my therapist last week we had to put important life components into circles. In the center were my fantasies, music, and social media where I read and discuss my interests. I believe everyone would come up with something different it depends on personal experience and desires. I think I'm constantly striving to stay in the comfort zone of my thoughts and fantasies, so yes I do care about this.
Explain whether or not these kinds of things are important to attain.
They're important if you need them. For me yes, these things are important. But that's my own business, and people don't always understand it. My important things make me live. Make me enjoy life.
9. When communicating with others, what is your preferred medium? Do you prefer texting, talking, expressing, or something else? How do you share most of your ideas with others?
Overall I prefer texting. I feel less awkward face-to-face with someone when I can type. I have time to think, to step away, to respond better without messing up. I like writing in general. I get nervous and might say too much in person it's not always comfortable for me. I like communication where there's no judgment. Where you can joke, think, dream without seriously intending to do anything. Where you're not afraid of your words being taken the wrong way. Comfort is very important to me. And that I'm talking to someone I've already grown at least a little close to. Mostly I share things situationally if I have the desire, which isn't always there. And I dump my thoughts in a wall of text or conversation, but only with my closest person. In general, I seem more restrained in my thoughts. I speak them if I feel safe.
Translated from russian because I would've shit myself at least 7 times if I tried to write all this in english. Sorry for all the mistakes.
I'm a fairly passive, aloof, and private person (at least, I've become one). With friends, I like to joke around, sometimes crossing boundaries. With strangers, I try to be reserved and calm, but not cold. As a child, I always wanted to impress others, to show them I was better than them, but now I've grown out of that (?). I've been told more than once that I'm very good at aligning myself with others. Lately, I've been spending a lot of time getting to know myself, my personality, my qualities, and finding my true self. Sometimes I feel like I've never done this before. I've always found it difficult to have any clear goals. When I meet people who really want to achieve something, I always admire them. Roughly speaking, I'm very unambitious. I don't have any higher purpose that would become the meaning of my life. I just go with the flow, occasionally getting entangled in fishing nets.
I'm quite a creative person. In my free time, I draw, make music, and play the guitar. I don't think this says much about my personality type, but still.
There are times when I ponder philosophical ideas. I wouldn't even say I ponder them. It's as if a question or thought is simply placed in my head, and I somehow unnaturally come to certain conclusions. That is, I don't have any kind of logical chain. I don't like going to extremes; I never choose sides in a conflict, not even because I'm afraid of offending one side, but because, more often than not, both sides are right and wrong at the same time. I believe that radicalism is wrong. I almost always understand others and try to see the situation from their perspective. I can forgive a lot.
Sometimes I act as a mediator. For example, when one person in a group says something offensive to another, looking for a fight, I almost reflexively try to defuse the situation with a joke or something. I hate conflicts, especially physical ones, especially over nothing.
It's hard to surprise me. I don't experience any "wow" reactions to plot twists in movies.
When something in my life goes wrong, it's like waking up from a deep sleep. I become more productive and start coming up with more ideas. I don't like thinking about the future. As a child, I especially disliked answering questions like, "What do you want to be in the future?" I still hate it.
My relationship with the physical world is rather strained. I've never liked sports, and I've never been able to cook. Sometimes I get lost in my own thoughts and forget where I'm going, missing turns. Basically, Beta ST facepalm.
I'm pretty sure that I'm NF, IEI has been my most prominent typing, but I'm still not sure.
Aushra on the homogenous pairs
When introducing the 8 IMEs to us, Aushra noted how pairs of IMEs of the same shape (Fe/Fi, Se/Si, etc) are linked. She only briefly touches on it and I'd thought I'd explain it further.
Each pair has one dynamic + one static, one body (Xe) and one field (Xi):
1. Te (movement) + Ti (position): Movement, by definition, is a change in position. Your position is a measure of where you have moved. Your position within a system explains what actions you carry out. Ti can be considered a moment of Te. (I put this first because I find this one to be the most straightforward pair).
2. Fe (excitation) + Fi (attraction): Excitation, by definition, is a realization of attraction. Your bond towards someone/thing is a measure of the emotions that you have experienced with that person/thing. Whether you like/dislike something depends on if that thing made you feel good/bad emotionally.
3. Ni (pacing) + Ne (potential): Pacing, by definition, is a realization of potential. One's essence, content, or potential (Ne), by definition, is a measure of what their future (and past) holds for them. Whether something has potential depends not on what it is now, but what it is in a non-present situation.
4. Si (state) + Se (form): Your state, by definition, is a process built by the forms of things around you. Your volition, readiness to act, and willpower are a measure of the way you feel adapted to your present environment. If you can stand your ground, that means your state is balanced; if you are weak, you may be tired or not in shape. (this one, I think was the trickiest one to explain).
Piecing these together helped me understand the IMEs a lot more and I hope readers of this will find a similar takeaway. One thing that's notable is that the homogenous IME's aren't "at war" with each other, like how it's often described in western: there, you will have Ti being theoretical logic and Te being external information (which, by the way, is not accurate to the initial descriptions of the two.) In reality, both IMEs are fundamentally linked.
This is also why the homogenous pairs take the same positions in your ring; For example, the Role and the Suggestive are both the first 'half phase' (function) of their respective rings. In the LSI, this takes the form of Fi / Fe: a homogenous pair.
This is more about enneagram than socionics, but I have seen other posts on here say things like ESI can't be 8. I've been watching the Chestnut and Paes videos and I'm confused about Social 8. They say this is the countertype, and it is more focused on others and their aggression is tempered somewhat. And then in their video about sexual repressed, they say the SX repressed 8 is quite mellow and can even be shy. I am confused about how such a person can still be an 8? Can someone shy, mellow and focused on helping others still be consumed by lust and vengeance? Or is it more that they are shy compared to other 8s who are extremely outgoing? I ask because I wonder if this might actually be my type. Any help would be much appreciated!
I asked my pal GPT what topics i should consider while writing this post so here what it gave me:
Ok so basically I am not doing very well at this area. Whenever I want something it's hard for me to say it unless I trust the person 100% or unless it is very inportant. My self confident isn't really high as well. Boundaries are a strange word for me because I am a very open minded person and most of the time I don't mind going with the flow, but whenever someone crosses the boundaries I do have my reaction would depend on who that person is. For example my boss once used a word to describe a person I work with and I didn't like the word. It was a nasty way to describe someone's needs not being met. I did not argue with her though because it was pointless and this is who she is. But if my husband would use such word I'd tell him it's wrong and argue with him over it gladly because who he is matters to me more than who my boss is. If my boss will ever say that again I am likely to say something but not as assertively as I'd say it to my husband or a close friend.
Ok so what does that even mean? Lol. I do not have a specific style it can go from like emotional bursts to extremely cold and logical arguement. Depends on the subject and well, the day ig. If someone comes at me with a nasty attittude i can get really pissed and become more cinical and have that "are u stupid" approach. If someone pisses me off because i feel like they're not being fair to me I can go passive agrressive seceretly expecting them to realize and if it doesn't work I'll just open it later with them (especially if we are close). Overall I'm a forgiving person and I don't actively look for arguements and I dislike conflict in general.
I do not show emotions easily. I am talking about my deeper, true emotions. I do show happiness, excitement or sympathy very openly. But if I am offended, sad or disapointed I will try to hide it. I'd rather feel these types of feelings by myself and usually deal with them via writing, music, singing my heart out or crying when I'm alone (not something I do often tho). I won't cry in front of others unless someone really close hurt me, I actually did open it and they still won't listen - that's the only time where I can cry in front of someone. When I feel deeply misunderstood by someone after putting lots of efforts to explain myself. Which I only do if the person truly natters something.
I am a very loyal person. I try my best to be good and to do what's right especially with those I care about. When someone does not do the same it hurts deeply. I value my relationships, friendships and loved ones more than anything in this world. I also try to be good to everyone else, but I won't claim to be perfect cause I could convince someone to do or think something that I don't truly believe in, if I am honest. I care a lot about having strong values and it guides me a lot in life. I feel like I always develop in that area. If I feel in a relationship like I'm not being treated as am equal, I get hurt deeply. I am very flexible and can sometimes let someone feel like I'd do anything forthem therefore I was taken advantage a lot during my relationships in life. I am always aware when that happens even if I don't show it. I am constantly analyzing my relationships under the radar. Takes me a long time to decide I cut someone off but when I do, I disconnect emotionally from them. I could smile to them and talk to them, but I just would'nt really care about them and they will have no impact on me whatoever.
I think in a chaotic way. My thoughts jump from one to the other, I can start with reality and end up in fantasy and vice versa. My brain process information best when I can talk out my thoughts. I don't like to just "sit there and think" i need to actively do something to focus on my thoughts. So that could be talking, writing or listening to a song/a person that inspires me. Chat here says to talk about definitions and logical consistency, I think I'm quite logical I care a lot about facts but wouldn't argue with someone over their opinion unless I have a strong proof that they're wrong. It's much easier for me to do when it comes to morality topics rather than logical ones, but I do have common sense and that's a trait I am very proud of. I am very proud of myself for having the ability to disconnect from my subjective views and evaluate things for what they are. It's very triggering for me when someone says something as if it was a fact but has nothing to back up their opinion. Like with my mom we argue a lot over medical topics. I do my research when it comes to this topic, and like I said if I argue it's cause I have proof. So she is trying to tell me I am wrong but never says why. Turns out everytime she just repeats what she hears from doctors and their usual protocols but never actually educated herself to actually know how it works. I did. Yet still she'd rather listen to them with zero explainations on their behalf rather than listening to me and my reasonings. That's upsetting not cause I need to be right but because I care about my mom and I want to help her make the right decisions which you can only do if you have the correct information.
I am lazy. I say it loud and not so proud, but I am. If I was rich I'd probably have someone for every little thing I need to so I can actually do the stuff I want and like. I'd rather have that than a fancy car or a huge house. But I guess that's also a productive way to use money, isn't it? I am good at giving practical advice. I know exactly what I should do. But I'd much rather spend my time doing the things I find productive like gain knowladge, or having interesting convos or building connections. When i need to do something that's productive on paper but is boring and makes no sense to me, like at work, part of my job is that I need to write a report every single day on everything I did that day with the people I work with. I see no point in doing this because 1. No one actually cares what I did they just wanna see I did something, and 2. It's really boring and pointless. I'd be happier if someone actually came to see me doing my job, it's stupid to rely on something I report on myself like how do they know I'm not lying? Pointless. So instead of doing it everyday I delay it as much as I can and end up doing it under pressure all together once in two weeks or so.
Ok so I am not good at dealing with the unpleasent stuff like being cold or in pain. These are the two things I cannot deal with. I can tell when I'm hungry usually but I get hungry when I see someone eating or on social media when I see something yummy. I love comfort I still remember till this day sleeping at my cousin's house and it was so cold so she brought two blankets and covered me and made sure every part of my body was covered and it felt so amazing that today I am doing this for my kids just because I remember how safe it felt when she did that for me. When someone takes care of me physically I get emotionally very attached to them I feel safe and seen, it's not that I am spoiled, I can do well by myself but it doesn't feel the same. I am an only child and my parents are amazing, I am 28 yet till this day I get excited when my mom makes my coffee for me or when she helps me cleaning my house. I would want to have a better routine but I'm not so invested in it. I was never good with schedules and doing something concistently. I could make an awesome schedule for others though, it would be very practical, but to actually do it for myself is a different story.
I remember my dad once told me "do you even have a plan for the future"? And I was like "no, I have many plans. I'm just taking my time to see which one I wanna follow". That sums it up ig. I don't really like sitting and thinking about what will happen and plan my sh*t, and even when I do I never actually follow my own plan. I find life to be too dynamic to be fixed on one way things should happen. I can have a very negative point of view on the future. But I don't like it so I choose optimism and going with the flow and see what happens and deal with it when it happens. I don't have a sense of urgency whatsover when it comes to the future, most of the time. I can talk about it freely and be very analytical and curious about it but it's not like "we must do this to prevent this" type of thought and more like "ok this could happen, we'll have to wait and see and deal with it if it does. And if it doesn't - great!"
All of it when it's not true. None of it if it is true. Being misunderstood and judged hurts. Being seen and exposed yet still accepted is amazing. I don't really care what people think of me. People have called me stupid, naive, fake, manipulative, show off, freak, weird. That doesn't mean anything if the person doesn't mean anything. But when someone I love calls me manipulative, cold or fake? That breaks me. When somwone I loves says I talk too much or I need to be more calmed in certain situations? I feel like they're trying to help me so I respect that. When someone says or hints that I am a pushover? That motivates me. When someone says I'm wrong about something? Ok, we'll see. Or - where's your proof?
That type of woman who just knows what she wants and is a go getter. The type of person who can think of it and instantly do it. The type of person who cares less about how others feel and more about the actual result and can make things happen. Like my daf he is a very decisive person. Something is broken? He fixes it. There's an issue? He figures out a plan and just follow it. There's chaoes? He's calm, and he will fix it. I love my dad :3
Ok can't wait to hear ur thoughts, byeeee :P
Thinking of changing my approach to this as I step outside of my comfort zone a bit designing these guys. I fear they’ll only get more complicated
First of all, thanks to comments on my previous posts, I will format these guys via speedpaint videos to show that no AI goes into the creation of these (just a lot of fine tuning proportions and all that mess that comes with.) Lemme know if this helps.
Second, before fully rendering these guys, I figured it‘d be more meaningful to make this more community-centered by getting feedback from you guys. I figured it’s the chance for people of the type I’m representing in these sketches to weigh in on what design choices they would like to see in the representative of their own type. (That includes Balzac whom I am not against reworking). Literally anything you guys would legitimately consider will improve the overall design if you think what I’ve come up with doesn’t completely capture the idea of the profile, by all means throw it at me with full force!
I know autistic people can be Fe ego types, but I’m wondering how it manifests in their personality. is it different than neurotypical people?
I know very well that autistic people are not a monolith and all have unique personalities, but some aspects of autism seem to contradict Fe to me.
the hobbies I’m into tend to attract a lot of ND people, so I interact with them a lot. even the very extroverted ones struggle with things that are attributed to Fe (like conveying their emotions and reading emotions of others) if I’m understanding correctly, those are things that Fe egos are naturally skilled at.
I don’t know if it’s because I’m a Fe ego myself, but those things really stand out to me and I often feel confused in social interactions with them, like I’m not getting the feedback I need to know how to respond because I can’t read their emotions or reactions. and my own usage of Fe doesn’t really jive with them in the way it typically does with neurotypical people. I don’t get the reactions I expected or things seem to go over their heads sometimes unless I am very direct, which isn’t natural for me. (I really hope this doesn’t come across offensively. lots of them are my friends whom I love dearly)
Introduced in the 80s by none other than Grigoriy Reinin,
it’s one of these parts in socionics that people are divided about, some believe they hold a great account in typing, some believe not all of them are valid and some don’t believe they hold credibility at all
personally I lean more towards believing that certain dichotomies (result/process, yielding/obstinate, carefree/farsighted, …) are mostly the most interesting ones with more insight
share your thoughts please!