r/Socionics

Is what I thought giggled after reading the accurate description:

‘Antidemonstrative’ behavior - reserved, even-tempered, modest, avoids tense or emotional situations, and struggles with new social environments.

Appears indifferent to many, displaying life indifference, egocentric non-interference, secrecy, and individualistic apathy.

Characterized by restrained and leisurely movements; typically very smooth in motion.

Laconic and terse in speech, often using short ‘telegraphic style’ phrases.

Does not exaggerate emotions or escalate situations.

Patient and unflappable by nature.

Psychologically independent from groups, indifferent to others’ opinions or his own status within the group, tending to disregard collective interests.

Speaks slowly and unhurriedly.

Not prone to agitated excitement; typically maintains a state of calm and tranquility.

Often shows signs of alexithymia - difficulty understanding and expressing emotions.

Avoids attention and exhibitionism, extremely modest.

Statistically likely to have well-developed, effective motor inhibition.

Non-ambitious, avoids taking initiative, and does not seek change.

Calm, peaceful, and balanced, not suited for provocative or destabilizing roles.

Not skilled in storytelling or persuasive speech.

Prefers asking questions over answering them in conversation to avoid expressing personal opinions.

Talks very little, low speech demand.

Values harmony in immediate surroundings and personal relaxation.

Avoids conflicts and harm, seeking a peaceful, enlightened state . Highly private and controlled in communication; not prone to disclosing personal information.

Prefers listening over speaking in conversations.

https://quantitativesocionics.org/types/sli

IEE:(S)he's quiet, too quiet.....🕵️

Clown and mime romance.

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Being ILI, I feel more attracted to those who have Ni

Could you guys tell me examples of females characters and real persons with this socionics:

SLE females

LSI females

ILI females

LII females

LIE females

Saw someone else do this, but being the creative subtype (the least similar to the type description, with accentuated Fe, Ne, Se) I wanted to participate as well.

I’ve know I was Ni-Fe for a long time but I never fit the typical INFJ doormat descriptions in mbti and I also don’t fit the pushover twink IEI thing in socionics BUT it does still manifest in my psyche in certain ways.

I also have a unique tritype (145, I think core 1w2 but all three fixes are very strong. No I am not a strict correlationist.)

So yeah ask away, if you’d like. I’ve been through a lot of stuff, lived a lot of life in my 29 years.

I’ve had close relationships with pretty much all of the types as well so questions about intertype relationships welcome.

Edit: feel free to ask the deep dark stuff too. I won’t hold back in my answers

Yes, I am very observant. No, I can't use it to save my own ass.

Is being sensitive to emotional atmosphere and seeking emotional validation and support or even uplift and inclusion, low Fe or high Fe when you're aware of your emotions but struggle with controlling them on your own without positive feedback?

When someone can be very emotionally self aware but struggles to use their emotions in a positive way and its expression which is why they need someone to help them uplift them or express them.

Or is this more about vital and mental than low and high dimensionality?

You may argue that Fe Creative is conscious and confident in its expression and influence. They're also well aware of it.

Fe Suggestive struggles with it but still values it but it's unconscious aka vital instead of mental. This would mean that ILI is more self aware of it while struggling with it just like LII is with their Se but not Fe.

Is it ILI? Could someone please explain HOW? And what is the opposite integration type of EII?

When saying opposite integration type, I mean - if you should do the work and improve your "type" which direction and type do those go towards? I'm not sure how else to explain

Interested in an answer--I'm in college and I'm curious about this person I met in freshman year a year ago. They're super Fi PolR, but I can't tell which Fi PolR this person is.

Either they're an extremely ambitious ILE who is exceptionally capable of climbing the ranks and has in spite of the stereotypes brought their dozen projects to genuine completion and who competes well, excelling in cutthroat competitive environments, and gotten involved in leading youth political organizations,

Or they're an unusually scattered SLE who, alongside the 12 meaningfully impactful projects they have genuinely created and led to completion (I still feel the need to emphasize this, because the stereotypes paint the ILE as quite like a child that never finishes anything, whereas this person has been extremely shrewd in attaining lofty and impressive goals), also has a graveyard of random intellectual side projects that never had professional value and only seemed to exist for the purpose of his own interest.

Me and another person in my friend group with this person are interested in socionics and genuinely can't differentiate. When we got to know him, we were certain he was an Ne ego because he just seemed so scattered and intellectual. He was always the guy that 'did too much'. While we competed in tournaments, he read through the tournament results of each of our 12 tournaments in years past and learned the names and memorized the standings of literally everybody, and whenever he talked to a veteran competitor he could literally recite the placements they received at over four dozen tournaments over their years competing. He didn't seem to leverage this for competitive value. Of course, he was one of the best at what he did.

That would be impressive if this were a singular kind of thing. But over a year we've watched him undertake so many projects and apply force in making them succeed in so many different fields that now we're quite unsure. One trait we've noticed: he definitely has the sprinting work-in-bursts quality of an EP temperament and spends quite a bit of time demobilized. But the way this manifests isn't not being able to get anything done, but rather "sprinting" once per day for 6 or 8 hours straight, being extremely serious and precise to the point where if you try to distract him he looks like he might eat you alive, before reverting to dumbass frat bro mode. His ability to do sustained work has gotten longer the more we know him.

But also: about a quarter of the time those 6-8 hour sprints come in the form of a random data collection rabbit hole that has absolutely nothing to do with anything that moves him closer to a goal, and seems to just be done cus he feels like it.

It's like he has an endless amount of energy for new initiatives and projects and applications and is constantly iterating even with a success of rate of like 12% which seems to be improving, they're one of the singularly most accomplished people I know at this age.

He can be goofy, much like an alpha quadra ILE. When teaching a class of kindergarteners and elementary & middle schoolers how to debate he named himself "Director of Dihbate" in the zoom and spent the whole class eating while laughing his ass off and derailing the class and the kids compared him to the clown juggling on a unicycle that he drew on the zoom whiteboard while his co-teacher was trying to teach (and failing because he was making her laugh). Actually, he spent class making the kids watch him eat over the camera like a mukbang multiple times.

He's like this a lot.

But when he's serious, he can be deathly serious and almost terrifying with how crudely instrumental he is to other people, and is still an absurdly hard worker. When he has a goal, he's set, and he seems to want to be "on top" and gets incredibly upset if he's outcompeted or loses. He seems to have a preoccupation with being the center of attention in every room, although this is subtle and you don't notice it until you see stunt after stunt after stunt. He doesn't seem that malleable by pressure: when he ran for club president elections, he immediately told the other candidate (and basically everybody else in the club), people that were trying to get him to drop out he was "very set on this" and for a month he organized a campaign vehicle where his spreadsheets and carful voter collection and aggressive messaging to over 100 people at once alienated just about everybody in the club since they felt like they were being used as votes.

He has also consistently gone to the gym for over a year and he's like, pretty built though always on the skinny side.

He aggressively LinkedIn farms and seems to care obsessively that other people should admire his achievements and status. He gets $150/month for food money and he uses part of that for his $70/mo linkedin subscription.

He can go from writing beautiful essays about prestige culture & his racial heritage and preaching inclusivity and community as part of his role as a progressive organizer to both participating & reinforcing that system and saying horrifically racist things.

He seems interesting to us because we're wanting to reconcile the conflicting sides of his character, at once ruthless/shrewd/power-motivated/insanely determined, with an almost childishly innocent side.

An SLE is meant to be an aggressor in socionics, but this person is extremely hesitant in his personal relationships, over intellectualizes everything, and never feels certain enough to take the initiative in declaring he's interested. Although, for some reason he openly sent us his uh, bdsm test results, and he seems very interested in the uh, dominant role in bdsm. Specifically he seems to really like tying people up.

But he's been in a horribly insufferable talking stage for over a year and still hasn't done anything about it.

To what degree can we attribute this to Ti creative trying to compensate for Fi PolR, and to what degree is this evidence of not being an aggressor?

I’ve had my reservations about being a positivist, since I’m usually pretty keen on picking up what’s unspoken or missing when something feels off, until I had this catch-up with an ILI friend. I found it pretty revealing, so I figure I'd share it for fun (it's probably not fun). 

Context: we are very much in the same boat and we are very close, so we tend to skip a lot of emotional reassurance. 

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ILI: **heavy edited drunk rambling** back home here everything gets done over drinks but not gonna lie drinking really gets shit done fck I busted my ass for my PI and he’s sitting on my four unpublished papers while this dude (I drank with today) is so loyal and devoted and brought his phd everywhere (to drink and connect) I can’t 😭 I just envy them so much 

Me: I got the gist that you are indeed an Fi-lover while reading this half-awake

ILI: LMAO I AM.

ILI: funny my PI finally got back to me (*after ghosting him for 8 months). I’m going to ask his opinion about my career development. 

ILI: Damn, if I were in a normal lab and got all my papers published, I’d be doing a postdoc in US now. 

Me: Well, take another perspective, it can be a blessing in disguise. 

ILI: OK that’s true.

Me: If I weren’t gaslit by *that toxic misogynistic narcissistic postdoc* I’d probably decide to continue doing research.

Me: But it’s always going to be a bit off for me, and in the end pure teaching/student advising will still suit me better.  

Me: So it’s a sooner or later discovery. 

Me: Your PI holding you back was probably the universe’s force pushing you into your right direction early rather than late. 

ILI: hahahahaha that’s very true. 

ILI: I can actually sense tenure isn’t the right path for me anyways. I just can’t let go of the things I was able to do. I feel really sad about it.

Me: Yeah it's very relatable. Even I have something to miss about research. It’s a unique experience and that’s why I always call it an “uncomfortable comfort zone” for us. 

Me: The two things are: 1. It’s not like you have any choice right now. You are basically forced out. 2. You can probably come back to academia in maybe 10-20yrs given that you are in engineering. 

ILI: LMAO. That’s the accurate description. 

ILI: Yeah our industry and academia are very tightly linked. 

ILI: Perhaps, it’s just all the time I don’t feel like I actually have a choice. It’s always a forced choice by some external factor. 

Me: Oh I think I know what you mean.

Me: Sometimes even if I made the choice, and I sensed my strong autonomy in the choice I made, there would always be another very strong feeling of “this is after all just fate” deep in my heart. 

ILI: Exactly that. 

Me: We are given the illusion of choices lol.

Me: In reality we follow the planned out scenarios.

ILI: Yes. 

Me: And that’s fine because this scenario is exactly the lesson we need to take.

Me: Focus on the scenario being given to you.

ILI: Now it sounds much better.

Me: yeah you know woo-woo speaking, this is the only “true choice” you’ve made prior your incarnation of this life, you picked the scenario for yourself because it’s what you need

ILI: THAT’S VERY RIGHT. 

*we are both woo-wooing to cope* 

ILI: *shit talk a bunch about the job offers he got*

Me: that’s a lot of money though not gonna lie

ILI: You are probably right…Seems like my situation isn’t too bad after all. 

Me: Half of this conversation my mind just plays “oh now I see why they say IEI is positivist” in the back of my mind

ILI: *laugh*

Is ILI INTP or INTJ??????? Is LII INTJ or INTP??????
Like, I heard Augusta switched it, but even different sites say different things and I am so tired of it.

i’m stuck between IEE and ILE. i’m going to list some traits that i have, which i thought would be attributed to Ti or weak Fi, however am leaning towards IEE

i’m not necessarily a rule follower within places like work and school. if i deem it as stupid or unnecessarily restrictive, i will break the rules. however, i like to follow rules that i like and find make sense, for example most correlations in typology. when i find a topic interesting and excitable, i tend to research it a lot and be very knowledgeable on it. if i’m not interested then i don’t really care at all. i enjoy knowledge and facts as it makes me excited and i just genuinely enjoy absorbing new information. i can struggle with relationships and knowing how people feel about me, however i like to find out by asking questions about how i am perceived. i often get deep infatuations with random topics i enjoy. i don’t want to explain why i enjoy them or take interest in them but i know what i like and have a whole network of identity in my head.

i’m not very knowledgeable in socionics at all so if none of that is helpful, or if anyone wants to help me learn more and figure out more, i would appreciate it! i’m also stuck between sp7 and sx7 :/

There's something creepy about IEIs. No shade; y'all are probably okay, but I just can't. I don't know; it might have to do with chemical attraction components... Please don't follow me. (They seem okay with me, though).

Do any of you Se Suggestive types actually get along and find Se Basea types appealing and attractive or likable?