Moving to Curitiba as a remote worker is this plan realistic?

Hi everyone,

I’m 20 years old from Morocco and I’m seriously planning to move to Curitiba, Brazil as a long-term base.

I work remotely online and earn around $800–2,000 USD per month, so I don’t need local employment. My goal is to live in Brazil while continuing my remote work.

My current plan is to enter Brazil legally as a tourist, settle in Curitiba, and then explore options to stay long-term. One of my ideas is to enroll in a Portuguese language program (like UFPR CELIN or another recognized institution) and potentially apply for a student residence permit through the Federal Police if possible.

I’m trying to understand if this kind of transition is actually realistic in practice.

I would really like honest advice from people living in Brazil:

  • Is Curitiba a good city for a foreign remote worker trying to live long-term?
  • Is it realistically possible to rent an apartment without Brazilian credit history or local guarantor?
  • What are the real requirements for enrolling in language programs like UFPR CELIN, and do they actually help with residence applications?
  • If I apply for a residence permit (student or other legal path), is it usually accepted when already inside Brazil on a tourist entry?
  • What is a realistic monthly cost of living for a simple but stable life in Curitiba (rent, food, transport, internet)?
  • Is the internet reliable enough for remote work (video calls, online freelancing)?
  • What are the biggest challenges foreigners usually don’t expect when trying to settle there?

I’m still in the planning stage, so I want to understand what is actually realistic before making any decisions.

Any honest advice or real experiences would really help.

Thank you.

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u/Ok_Advisor_7358 — 2 days ago

Thinking of living in Brazil (Curitiba) as a digital nomad — is it realistic long-term?

Hi everyone,

I’m 20 years old from Morocco and I’m thinking about moving to Brazil, specifically Curitiba, as a remote worker.

I work online and earn around $800–2,000 USD per month, so I can support myself without local employment. I’m mainly looking for a stable, affordable city where I can live long-term while working remotely.

I’ve been considering Curitiba because it seems more organized and safer compared to other major Brazilian cities, and I like the idea of building a base there while improving my Portuguese.

I’m still early in planning, so I wanted to ask people with experience:

Is Curitiba a good choice for a digital nomad lifestyle? How is it in terms of safety, cost of living, internet quality, and overall quality of life for a remote worker?

Would you recommend it, or are there better cities in Brazil for this kind of setup?

Any honest experiences or advice would really help.

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u/Ok_Advisor_7358 — 2 days ago

Thinking of moving to Brazil is it realistic to switch from tourist stay to student residency?

Hi everyone,

I’m 20 years old from Morocco and I’m planning to move to Brazil, specifically Curitiba.

I plan to enter Brazil on a visa-free tourist stay (90 days, extendable to 180 per year), then settle there and enroll in an intensive Portuguese language program. After that, I want to apply for a student residence permit without leaving the country.

I work online and earn around $800–2,000 USD per month, so I can support myself financially. I only have a high school diploma.

I want to know if it is realistically possible to switch from tourist stay to student residence permit while staying in Brazil, or if this usually requires leaving the country. I also want to know if language programs like UFPR CELIN are enough to qualify.

Any advice or real experiences would be appreciated.

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u/Ok_Advisor_7358 — 2 days ago

Brazil immigration question: Can I switch from tourist entry to student residence permit without leaving the country? (Curitiba, PR)

Hello,

I’m seeking general legal information regarding Brazilian immigration procedure (not formal legal representation).

I am a Moroccan citizen planning to enter Brazil under the visa-free tourist regime (90 days, extendable to 180 days per year). I intend to reside in Curitiba, Paraná, and enroll in an intensive Portuguese language program there.

My goal is to apply for a student-based residence permit (Autorização de Residência para Estudo) directly within Brazil through the Federal Police, without leaving the country.

Nationality: Morocco

Entry status: Visa-free tourist entry (90 + possible 90 extension)

Location: Curitiba, Paraná, Brazil

Intended activity: Enrollment in intensive Portuguese language program

Intended application: Student residence permit via Federal Police (in-country application)

No criminal history (clean record)

Financial support: Remote income (~$800–$2,000 USD/month)

legal questions

  • Is it legally possible under Brazilian immigration rules to change status from tourist entry to student residence permit while remaining in-country, or is consular processing (exit and re-entry) required?
  • If in-country conversion is possible, is it discretionary at the local Federal Police office, or is it a standardized legal procedure under federal immigration law?
  • Once an application is submitted, does the “protocolo” legally extend lawful stay beyond the original authorized tourist period while the application is pending?
  • Are there specific eligibility requirements for the educational institution (e.g., must it be a federal university program like UFPR/CELIN), or can private language schools also qualify?

I am trying to understand the legal framework and whether this path is realistically permitted under Brazilian immigration law.

Any general guidance or references to the applicable legal provisions would be appreciated.

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u/Ok_Advisor_7358 — 2 days ago

Moving from South Africa to Paraná in November! Need a reality check on online shopping & tattoos.

Hey everyone! I am moving from South Africa to the state of Paraná this coming November. I’m incredibly excited, but I am trying to get my practical expectations in order for my new life. I’d love to get some honest feedback from locals on two specific things.

First, what is the actual reality of online shopping in Brazil? I just want to know how it functions day to day for residents. Are package deliveries reliable or do shipments frequently go missing? Is domestic shipping like Mercado Livre or Amazon Brasil fast and dependable in Paraná? Also, what is the current situation with international customs and taxes if I order from places like Shopee or AliExpress?

Second, what is the tattoo culture like there? I am looking to get a full back piece done once I settle in, as well as a smaller forearm piece with very tiny, intricate details. Is tattoo culture widely popular and well received in Paraná? Are there high caliber local artists who specialize in fine line or highly detailed work? Any specific studio recommendations in major Paraná hubs like Curitiba, Londrina, or Maringá would be amazing.

Appreciate any practical insights or reality checks you can throw my way. Obrigado!

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u/Ok_Advisor_7358 — 4 days ago

I (21M) fell in love with a woman (30F) from Paraguay after a few weeks of chatting. Is this smart or a waste of my youth?

Hey everyone, looking for some honest advice on my situation.

I (21M) recently met a girl (30F) from Paraguay online. We have only been chatting for a couple of weeks, but I have completely fallen in love with her. Even though there is a 9 year age gap, she looks much younger honestly, she looks about 23. She also mentioned that many people frequently comment on how youthful she looks and sounds for her age

She has a very youthful energy, sounds young over the phone, and is incredibly positive. What I love most is how much self respect she has.

Things are moving quickly, and thoughts are already turning toward the future. The core question is whether pursuing a long-term commitment like marriage would be a wise decision, or if this is a case of rushing into a situation and potentially misusing one's youth.

Is a 9 year age gap too much at my age? Am I blinded by love since it's only been a couple of weeks? I'd love to hear from anyone who has been in a similar situation. Thanks!

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u/Ok_Advisor_7358 — 16 days ago

Are We Following Abraham or Following Our Ancestors? Hajj Between Quran and Tradition

Introduction

Peace be upon those who seek guidance.

I am writing this to present what the Quran actually says about Hajj, without additions from heritage books or traditions. My goal is not to attack anyone's beliefs, but to invite sincere Muslims to examine what Allah actually revealed about this pillar of Islam.

Allah says: "Shall I seek other than Allah as a judge while it is He who has revealed to you the Book explained in detail?" [6:114]

If the Quran is detailed, why do we need other sources to explain Hajj?

What the Quran Actually Says About Hajj

The Basic Obligation

"And to Allah belongs the pilgrimage to the House for whoever is able to find a way." [3:97]

Notice: "whoever is able" - this is not an obligation on every Muslim regardless of circumstances. It is conditional on ability.

The Timing

"Indeed, the number of months with Allah is twelve months in the register of Allah from the day He created the heavens and the earth; of these, four are sacred. That is the correct religion, so do not wrong yourselves during them." [9:36]

"Hajj is [during] well-known months." [2:197]

"And proclaim to the people the Hajj; they will come to you on foot and on every lean camel; they will come from every distant pass. That they may witness benefits for themselves and mention the name of Allah on known days over what He has provided for them of [sacrificial] animals." [22:27-28]

Key observation: The Quran mentions "well-known months" (plural) but also "known days" (plural). The rituals happen on specific days within the sacred months.

The Actual Rituals Mentioned in the Quran

1. Arafat

"So when you depart from Arafat, remember Allah at al-Mash'ar al-Haram." [2:198]

This is clear: pilgrims gather at Arafat, then move to al-Mash'ar al-Haram.

2. Al-Mash'ar al-Haram (The Sacred Monument)

"Then depart from the place from where [all] the people depart and ask forgiveness of Allah. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful." [2:199]

This is a place for remembrance and seeking forgiveness.

3. Tawaf (Circumambulation)

"Then let them end their untidiness and fulfill their vows and perform Tawaf around the ancient House." [22:29]

Critical question: What does "Tawaf" mean in the Quran?

The Quran uses the same root word (ط و ف) in other contexts:

  • "They will circulate among them with plates and vessels of gold." [43:71]
  • "There will circulate among them young boys made eternal. When you see them, you would think them [as beautiful as] scattered pearls." [76:19]
  • "And those who were given the Scripture say, 'We believe in what was revealed to us and what was revealed to you, and our God and your God is one; and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him.' And thus We have sent down to you the Book and those whom We gave the Scripture believe in it. And among these [people of Makkah] are those who believe in it. And none reject Our verses except the disbelievers. And You did not recite before it any scripture, nor did you inscribe one with your right hand. Otherwise, the falsifiers would have had [cause for] doubt." [29:46-48]

In all these cases, "Tawaf" means movement around or among, not necessarily seven circuits around a building.

4. As-Safa and Al-Marwah

"Indeed, as-Safa and al-Marwah are among the symbols of Allah. So whoever makes Hajj to the House or performs Umrah - there is no blame upon him for walking between them." [2:158]

Notice: The Quran says "walking between them" (an yatūfa bihimā), not "circling them seven times." The word used is the same root as Tawaf, meaning to move between or visit.

5. The Sacrifice (Al-Budn)

"And the camels We have appointed for you as among the symbols of Allah; for you therein is good. So mention the name of Allah upon them when lined up [for sacrifice]; and when they are [lifeless] on their sides, then eat from them and feed the needy and the beggar. Thus have We subjected them to you that you may be grateful." [22:36]

Important details:

  • These are specifically camels (Al-Budn)
  • You mention Allah's name over them when they are standing
  • After sacrifice, eat and feed the poor

6. Shaving the Head

"And do not shave your heads until the sacrificial animal has reached its place of slaughter." [2:196]

This is clear: shaving happens AFTER the sacrifice, not before.

What is NOT Mentioned in the Quran

I challenge anyone to find these in the Quran:

  1. Stoning the Devil (Ramy al-Jamarat) - Where is this in the Quran? Which verse mentions throwing stones at pillars?
  2. Seven Circuits Around the Kaaba - Where does the Quran specify seven circuits?
  3. Kissing the Black Stone - Where is the Black Stone mentioned in the Quran?
  4. Running Between Safa and Marwa - Where does the Quran mention running?
  5. Specific Geographical Miqat Points - Where are Dhul-Hulayfah, Al-Juhfah, Qarn al-Manazil, Yalamlam, or Dhat-Irq mentioned?
  6. Standing on Mount Arafat - The Quran mentions Arafat, but does it specify standing on a mountain?
  7. Muzdalifah - This name is not in the Quran; the Quran says "al-Mash'ar al-Haram"

The Story of Abraham and the Alleged Stoning

Many claim that stoning the devil commemorates Abraham stoning Satan when he tried to dissuade him from sacrificing Ishmael or from performing Hajj.

Problems with this narrative:

  1. The Quran mentions Satan trying to prevent the sacrifice in Surah As-Saffat, but does NOT mention Abraham stoning him.
  2. The story appears in heritage books with contradictory versions - sometimes during Hajj, sometimes during the sacrifice.
  3. If this was so important, why didn't Allah mention it in the Quran?
  4. Allah told Satan: "Indeed, over My [believing] servants there is for you no authority." [15:42]

Why would we think we can stone Satan when Allah gave him authority until the Day of Judgment?

Allah says: "[Satan] said, 'My Lord, then reprieve me until the Day they are resurrected.' [Allah] said, 'So indeed, you are of those reprieved Until the Day of the time well-known.'" [15:36-38]

If Satan is reprieved until the Day of Judgment, how can we stone him now?

The Pre-Islamic Origin of Stoning

Historical sources themselves admit that stoning existed before Islam:

According to Islamic heritage books, the pre-Islamic Arabs used to stone a grave belonging to Abu Righal, who was a guide for Abraha (the Abyssinian king who came to destroy the Kaaba). They stoned his grave as punishment for his betrayal.

When Islam came, this practice was reinterpreted as "stoning the devil" to give it Islamic legitimacy.

Question: If this was truly from Abraham, why is its origin traced to a pre-Islamic practice?

The Logical Problems

  1. If millions of people have been stoning Satan for 1400 years, why is Satan still alive and well?
  2. Does throwing seven pebbles actually accomplish anything, or is it just ritualistic behavior?
  3. Why would Allah command us to perform a ritual that causes stampedes, injuries, and deaths?
  4. If the Quran is complete and detailed, why are the most dangerous rituals not mentioned in it?

What Allah Actually Commands

Read these verses carefully:

"O you who have believed, do not violate the rites of Allah or [the sanctity of] the sacred month or [neglect the marking of] the sacrificial animals and garlanding [them] or [violate the safety of] those coming to the Sacred House seeking bounty from their Lord and [His] approval. But when you come out of ihram, then [you may] hunt. And do not let the hatred of a people for having obstructed you from al-Masjid al-Haram lead you to transgress. And cooperate in righteousness and piety, but do not cooperate in sin and aggression. And fear Allah; indeed, Allah is severe in penalty." [5:2]

Notice what is mentioned:

  • Sacred months
  • Sacrificial animals
  • Those coming to the Sacred House

What is NOT mentioned:

  • Stoning
  • Seven circuits
  • Black stone
  • Running

The Call to Return to the Quran

Allah says:

"And this is a Book which We have sent down, blessed and confirming what was before it, that you may warn the Mother of Cities and those around it. Those who believe in the Hereafter believe in it, and they are maintaining their prayers." [6:92]

"Then is it other than Allah I should seek as judge while it is He who has revealed to you the Book explained in detail? And those to whom We [previously] gave the Scripture know that it is sent down from your Lord in truth, so never be among the doubters. And the word of your Lord has been fulfilled in truth and in justice. None can alter His words, and He is the Hearing, the Knowing." [6:114-115]

"And indeed, this is the Book which We have sent down, blessed, so follow it and fear Allah that you may receive mercy. [We sent it] lest you say, 'The Scripture was only sent down to two groups before us, but we were of their study unaware,' Or lest you say, 'If only the Scripture had been revealed to us, we would have been better guided than they.' So there has [now] come to you a clear evidence from your Lord and a guidance and mercy. Then who is more unjust than one who denies the verses of Allah and turns away from them? We will recompense those who turn away from Our verses with the worst of punishment for their having turned away." [6:155-157]

Questions for Discussion

I invite sincere Muslims to answer these questions with Quranic evidence:

  1. Show me the verse that commands stoning the devil.
  2. Show me the verse that specifies seven circuits around the Kaaba.
  3. Show me the verse that mentions kissing the Black Stone.
  4. If the Quran is complete and detailed, why are these rituals missing from it?
  5. How can we justify performing rituals that Allah did not command?
  6. Is following heritage books more important than following the Quran?
  7. Why do we defend practices that cause death and injury when the Quran came as mercy?

A Final Warning

Allah says:

"Then do you believe in part of the Scripture and disbelieve in part? Then what is the recompense for those who do that among you except disgrace in worldly life; and on the Day of Resurrection they will be sent back to the severest of punishment. And Allah is not unaware of what you do." [2:85]

"O you who have believed, believe in Allah and His Messenger and the Book that He sent down upon His Messenger and the Scripture which He sent down before. And whoever disbelieves in Allah, His angels, His books, His messengers, and the Last Day has certainly gone far astray." [4:136]

We are commanded to believe in ALL of the Quran, not just the parts that are convenient.

Conclusion

I am not here to attack anyone. I am here to invite sincere Muslims to return to the Quran alone.

If I am wrong, show me the verses. If I am right, have the courage to admit it.

Allah says:

"Say, 'O mankind, the truth has come to you from your Lord, so whoever is guided is only guided for [the good of] his soul, and whoever goes astray only goes astray [in violation] against it. And I am not over you a manager.'" [10:108]

"Say, 'This is my way; I invite to Allah with insight, I and those who follow me. And exalted is Allah; and I am not of those who associate others with Him.'" [12:108]

May Allah guide us all to the truth and give us courage to follow it.

Peace be upon those who follow guidance.

Sources for Verification

I encourage everyone to verify these claims by reading the Quran themselves:

  • Surah Al-Baqarah (2):196-203 - Laws of Hajj
  • Surah Al-Imran (3):96-97 - The House and Hajj obligation
  • Surah Al-Ma'idah (5):1-2 - Sacred rites
  • Surah Al-Hajj (22):26-37 - The rituals and sacrifice
  • Surah Al-Baqarah (2):158 - Safa and Marwa

Read these verses in context. Do not rely on translations alone if you know Arabic. Verify everything.

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u/Ok_Advisor_7358 — 1 month ago
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Hajj as Described in the Quran vs. Hajj as Practiced Today: Is There a Difference?

Introduction

Peace be upon those who seek guidance.

I am writing this to present what the Quran actually says about Hajj, without additions from heritage books or traditions. My goal is not to attack anyone's beliefs, but to invite sincere Muslims to examine what Allah actually revealed about this pillar of Islam.

Allah says: "Shall I seek other than Allah as a judge while it is He who has revealed to you the Book explained in detail?" [6:114]

If the Quran is detailed, why do we need other sources to explain Hajj?

What the Quran Actually Says About Hajj

The Basic Obligation

"And to Allah belongs the pilgrimage to the House for whoever is able to find a way." [3:97]

Notice: "whoever is able" - this is not an obligation on every Muslim regardless of circumstances. It is conditional on ability.

The Timing

"Indeed, the number of months with Allah is twelve months in the register of Allah from the day He created the heavens and the earth; of these, four are sacred. That is the correct religion, so do not wrong yourselves during them." [9:36]

"Hajj is [during] well-known months." [2:197]

"And proclaim to the people the Hajj; they will come to you on foot and on every lean camel; they will come from every distant pass. That they may witness benefits for themselves and mention the name of Allah on known days over what He has provided for them of [sacrificial] animals." [22:27-28]

Key observation: The Quran mentions "well-known months" (plural) but also "known days" (plural). The rituals happen on specific days within the sacred months.

The Actual Rituals Mentioned in the Quran

1. Arafat

"So when you depart from Arafat, remember Allah at al-Mash'ar al-Haram." [2:198]

This is clear: pilgrims gather at Arafat, then move to al-Mash'ar al-Haram.

2. Al-Mash'ar al-Haram (The Sacred Monument)

"Then depart from the place from where [all] the people depart and ask forgiveness of Allah. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful." [2:199]

This is a place for remembrance and seeking forgiveness.

3. Tawaf (Circumambulation)

"Then let them end their untidiness and fulfill their vows and perform Tawaf around the ancient House." [22:29]

Critical question: What does "Tawaf" mean in the Quran?

The Quran uses the same root word (ط و ف) in other contexts:

  • "They will circulate among them with plates and vessels of gold." [43:71]
  • "There will circulate among them young boys made eternal. When you see them, you would think them [as beautiful as] scattered pearls." [76:19]
  • "And those who were given the Scripture say, 'We believe in what was revealed to us and what was revealed to you, and our God and your God is one; and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him.' And thus We have sent down to you the Book and those whom We gave the Scripture believe in it. And among these [people of Makkah] are those who believe in it. And none reject Our verses except the disbelievers. And You did not recite before it any scripture, nor did you inscribe one with your right hand. Otherwise, the falsifiers would have had [cause for] doubt." [29:46-48]

In all these cases, "Tawaf" means movement around or among, not necessarily seven circuits around a building.

4. As-Safa and Al-Marwah

"Indeed, as-Safa and al-Marwah are among the symbols of Allah. So whoever makes Hajj to the House or performs Umrah - there is no blame upon him for walking between them." [2:158]

Notice: The Quran says "walking between them" (an yatūfa bihimā), not "circling them seven times." The word used is the same root as Tawaf, meaning to move between or visit.

5. The Sacrifice (Al-Budn)

"And the camels We have appointed for you as among the symbols of Allah; for you therein is good. So mention the name of Allah upon them when lined up [for sacrifice]; and when they are [lifeless] on their sides, then eat from them and feed the needy and the beggar. Thus have We subjected them to you that you may be grateful." [22:36]

Important details:

  • These are specifically camels (Al-Budn)
  • You mention Allah's name over them when they are standing
  • After sacrifice, eat and feed the poor

6. Shaving the Head

"And do not shave your heads until the sacrificial animal has reached its place of slaughter." [2:196]

This is clear: shaving happens AFTER the sacrifice, not before.

What is NOT Mentioned in the Quran

I challenge anyone to find these in the Quran:

  1. Stoning the Devil (Ramy al-Jamarat) - Where is this in the Quran? Which verse mentions throwing stones at pillars?
  2. Seven Circuits Around the Kaaba - Where does the Quran specify seven circuits?
  3. Kissing the Black Stone - Where is the Black Stone mentioned in the Quran?
  4. Running Between Safa and Marwa - Where does the Quran mention running?
  5. Specific Geographical Miqat Points - Where are Dhul-Hulayfah, Al-Juhfah, Qarn al-Manazil, Yalamlam, or Dhat-Irq mentioned?
  6. Standing on Mount Arafat - The Quran mentions Arafat, but does it specify standing on a mountain?
  7. Muzdalifah - This name is not in the Quran; the Quran says "al-Mash'ar al-Haram"

The Story of Abraham and the Alleged Stoning

Many claim that stoning the devil commemorates Abraham stoning Satan when he tried to dissuade him from sacrificing Ishmael or from performing Hajj.

Problems with this narrative:

  1. The Quran mentions Satan trying to prevent the sacrifice in Surah As-Saffat, but does NOT mention Abraham stoning him.
  2. The story appears in heritage books with contradictory versions - sometimes during Hajj, sometimes during the sacrifice.
  3. If this was so important, why didn't Allah mention it in the Quran?
  4. Allah told Satan: "Indeed, over My [believing] servants there is for you no authority." [15:42]

Why would we think we can stone Satan when Allah gave him authority until the Day of Judgment?

Allah says: "[Satan] said, 'My Lord, then reprieve me until the Day they are resurrected.' [Allah] said, 'So indeed, you are of those reprieved Until the Day of the time well-known.'" [15:36-38]

If Satan is reprieved until the Day of Judgment, how can we stone him now?

The Pre-Islamic Origin of Stoning

Historical sources themselves admit that stoning existed before Islam:

According to Islamic heritage books, the pre-Islamic Arabs used to stone a grave belonging to Abu Righal, who was a guide for Abraha (the Abyssinian king who came to destroy the Kaaba). They stoned his grave as punishment for his betrayal.

When Islam came, this practice was reinterpreted as "stoning the devil" to give it Islamic legitimacy.

Question: If this was truly from Abraham, why is its origin traced to a pre-Islamic practice?

The Logical Problems

  1. If millions of people have been stoning Satan for 1400 years, why is Satan still alive and well?
  2. Does throwing seven pebbles actually accomplish anything, or is it just ritualistic behavior?
  3. Why would Allah command us to perform a ritual that causes stampedes, injuries, and deaths?
  4. If the Quran is complete and detailed, why are the most dangerous rituals not mentioned in it?

What Allah Actually Commands

Read these verses carefully:

"O you who have believed, do not violate the rites of Allah or [the sanctity of] the sacred month or [neglect the marking of] the sacrificial animals and garlanding [them] or [violate the safety of] those coming to the Sacred House seeking bounty from their Lord and [His] approval. But when you come out of ihram, then [you may] hunt. And do not let the hatred of a people for having obstructed you from al-Masjid al-Haram lead you to transgress. And cooperate in righteousness and piety, but do not cooperate in sin and aggression. And fear Allah; indeed, Allah is severe in penalty." [5:2]

Notice what is mentioned:

  • Sacred months
  • Sacrificial animals
  • Those coming to the Sacred House

What is NOT mentioned:

  • Stoning
  • Seven circuits
  • Black stone
  • Running

The Call to Return to the Quran

Allah says:

"And this is a Book which We have sent down, blessed and confirming what was before it, that you may warn the Mother of Cities and those around it. Those who believe in the Hereafter believe in it, and they are maintaining their prayers." [6:92]

"Then is it other than Allah I should seek as judge while it is He who has revealed to you the Book explained in detail? And those to whom We [previously] gave the Scripture know that it is sent down from your Lord in truth, so never be among the doubters. And the word of your Lord has been fulfilled in truth and in justice. None can alter His words, and He is the Hearing, the Knowing." [6:114-115]

"And indeed, this is the Book which We have sent down, blessed, so follow it and fear Allah that you may receive mercy. [We sent it] lest you say, 'The Scripture was only sent down to two groups before us, but we were of their study unaware,' Or lest you say, 'If only the Scripture had been revealed to us, we would have been better guided than they.' So there has [now] come to you a clear evidence from your Lord and a guidance and mercy. Then who is more unjust than one who denies the verses of Allah and turns away from them? We will recompense those who turn away from Our verses with the worst of punishment for their having turned away." [6:155-157]

Questions for Discussion

I invite sincere Muslims to answer these questions with Quranic evidence:

  1. Show me the verse that commands stoning the devil.
  2. Show me the verse that specifies seven circuits around the Kaaba.
  3. Show me the verse that mentions kissing the Black Stone.
  4. If the Quran is complete and detailed, why are these rituals missing from it?
  5. How can we justify performing rituals that Allah did not command?
  6. Is following heritage books more important than following the Quran?
  7. Why do we defend practices that cause death and injury when the Quran came as mercy?

A Final Warning

Allah says:

"Then do you believe in part of the Scripture and disbelieve in part? Then what is the recompense for those who do that among you except disgrace in worldly life; and on the Day of Resurrection they will be sent back to the severest of punishment. And Allah is not unaware of what you do." [2:85]

"O you who have believed, believe in Allah and His Messenger and the Book that He sent down upon His Messenger and the Scripture which He sent down before. And whoever disbelieves in Allah, His angels, His books, His messengers, and the Last Day has certainly gone far astray." [4:136]

We are commanded to believe in ALL of the Quran, not just the parts that are convenient.

Conclusion

I am not here to attack anyone. I am here to invite sincere Muslims to return to the Quran alone.

If I am wrong, show me the verses. If I am right, have the courage to admit it.

Allah says:

"Say, 'O mankind, the truth has come to you from your Lord, so whoever is guided is only guided for [the good of] his soul, and whoever goes astray only goes astray [in violation] against it. And I am not over you a manager.'" [10:108]

"Say, 'This is my way; I invite to Allah with insight, I and those who follow me. And exalted is Allah; and I am not of those who associate others with Him.'" [12:108]

May Allah guide us all to the truth and give us courage to follow it.

Peace be upon those who follow guidance.

Sources for Verification

I encourage everyone to verify these claims by reading the Quran themselves:

  • Surah Al-Baqarah (2):196-203 - Laws of Hajj
  • Surah Al-Imran (3):96-97 - The House and Hajj obligation
  • Surah Al-Ma'idah (5):1-2 - Sacred rites
  • Surah Al-Hajj (22):26-37 - The rituals and sacrifice
  • Surah Al-Baqarah (2):158 - Safa and Marwa

Read these verses in context. Do not rely on translations alone if you know Arabic. Verify everything.

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The rituals of Hajj as practiced by Muslims today include significant additions not found in the Quran, and Muslims should return to performing Hajj as described in the Quran alone.

Introduction

Peace be upon those who seek guidance.

I am writing this to present what the Quran actually says about Hajj, without additions from heritage books or traditions. My goal is not to attack anyone's beliefs, but to invite sincere Muslims to examine what Allah actually revealed about this pillar of Islam.

Allah says: "Shall I seek other than Allah as a judge while it is He who has revealed to you the Book explained in detail?" [6:114]

If the Quran is detailed, why do we need other sources to explain Hajj?

What the Quran Actually Says About Hajj

The Basic Obligation

"And to Allah belongs the pilgrimage to the House for whoever is able to find a way." [3:97]

Notice: "whoever is able" - this is not an obligation on every Muslim regardless of circumstances. It is conditional on ability.

The Timing

"Indeed, the number of months with Allah is twelve months in the register of Allah from the day He created the heavens and the earth; of these, four are sacred. That is the correct religion, so do not wrong yourselves during them." [9:36]

"Hajj is [during] well-known months." [2:197]

"And proclaim to the people the Hajj; they will come to you on foot and on every lean camel; they will come from every distant pass. That they may witness benefits for themselves and mention the name of Allah on known days over what He has provided for them of [sacrificial] animals." [22:27-28]

Key observation: The Quran mentions "well-known months" (plural) but also "known days" (plural). The rituals happen on specific days within the sacred months.

The Actual Rituals Mentioned in the Quran

1. Arafat

"So when you depart from Arafat, remember Allah at al-Mash'ar al-Haram." [2:198]

This is clear: pilgrims gather at Arafat, then move to al-Mash'ar al-Haram.

2. Al-Mash'ar al-Haram (The Sacred Monument)

"Then depart from the place from where [all] the people depart and ask forgiveness of Allah. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful." [2:199]

This is a place for remembrance and seeking forgiveness.

3. Tawaf (Circumambulation)

"Then let them end their untidiness and fulfill their vows and perform Tawaf around the ancient House." [22:29]

Critical question: What does "Tawaf" mean in the Quran?

The Quran uses the same root word (ط و ف) in other contexts:

  • "They will circulate among them with plates and vessels of gold." [43:71]
  • "There will circulate among them young boys made eternal. When you see them, you would think them [as beautiful as] scattered pearls." [76:19]
  • "And those who were given the Scripture say, 'We believe in what was revealed to us and what was revealed to you, and our God and your God is one; and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him.' And thus We have sent down to you the Book and those whom We gave the Scripture believe in it. And among these [people of Makkah] are those who believe in it. And none reject Our verses except the disbelievers. And You did not recite before it any scripture, nor did you inscribe one with your right hand. Otherwise, the falsifiers would have had [cause for] doubt." [29:46-48]

In all these cases, "Tawaf" means movement around or among, not necessarily seven circuits around a building.

4. As-Safa and Al-Marwah

"Indeed, as-Safa and al-Marwah are among the symbols of Allah. So whoever makes Hajj to the House or performs Umrah - there is no blame upon him for walking between them." [2:158]

Notice: The Quran says "walking between them" (an yatūfa bihimā), not "circling them seven times." The word used is the same root as Tawaf, meaning to move between or visit.

5. The Sacrifice (Al-Budn)

"And the camels We have appointed for you as among the symbols of Allah; for you therein is good. So mention the name of Allah upon them when lined up [for sacrifice]; and when they are [lifeless] on their sides, then eat from them and feed the needy and the beggar. Thus have We subjected them to you that you may be grateful." [22:36]

Important details:

  • These are specifically camels (Al-Budn)
  • You mention Allah's name over them when they are standing
  • After sacrifice, eat and feed the poor

6. Shaving the Head

"And do not shave your heads until the sacrificial animal has reached its place of slaughter." [2:196]

This is clear: shaving happens AFTER the sacrifice, not before.

What is NOT Mentioned in the Quran

I challenge anyone to find these in the Quran:

  1. Stoning the Devil (Ramy al-Jamarat) - Where is this in the Quran? Which verse mentions throwing stones at pillars?
  2. Seven Circuits Around the Kaaba - Where does the Quran specify seven circuits?
  3. Kissing the Black Stone - Where is the Black Stone mentioned in the Quran?
  4. Running Between Safa and Marwa - Where does the Quran mention running?
  5. Specific Geographical Miqat Points - Where are Dhul-Hulayfah, Al-Juhfah, Qarn al-Manazil, Yalamlam, or Dhat-Irq mentioned?
  6. Standing on Mount Arafat - The Quran mentions Arafat, but does it specify standing on a mountain?
  7. Muzdalifah - This name is not in the Quran; the Quran says "al-Mash'ar al-Haram"

The Story of Abraham and the Alleged Stoning

Many claim that stoning the devil commemorates Abraham stoning Satan when he tried to dissuade him from sacrificing Ishmael or from performing Hajj.

Problems with this narrative:

  1. The Quran mentions Satan trying to prevent the sacrifice in Surah As-Saffat, but does NOT mention Abraham stoning him.
  2. The story appears in heritage books with contradictory versions - sometimes during Hajj, sometimes during the sacrifice.
  3. If this was so important, why didn't Allah mention it in the Quran?
  4. Allah told Satan: "Indeed, over My [believing] servants there is for you no authority." [15:42]

Why would we think we can stone Satan when Allah gave him authority until the Day of Judgment?

Allah says: "[Satan] said, 'My Lord, then reprieve me until the Day they are resurrected.' [Allah] said, 'So indeed, you are of those reprieved Until the Day of the time well-known.'" [15:36-38]

If Satan is reprieved until the Day of Judgment, how can we stone him now?

The Pre-Islamic Origin of Stoning

Historical sources themselves admit that stoning existed before Islam:

According to Islamic heritage books, the pre-Islamic Arabs used to stone a grave belonging to Abu Righal, who was a guide for Abraha (the Abyssinian king who came to destroy the Kaaba). They stoned his grave as punishment for his betrayal.

When Islam came, this practice was reinterpreted as "stoning the devil" to give it Islamic legitimacy.

Question: If this was truly from Abraham, why is its origin traced to a pre-Islamic practice?

The Logical Problems

  1. If millions of people have been stoning Satan for 1400 years, why is Satan still alive and well?
  2. Does throwing seven pebbles actually accomplish anything, or is it just ritualistic behavior?
  3. Why would Allah command us to perform a ritual that causes stampedes, injuries, and deaths?
  4. If the Quran is complete and detailed, why are the most dangerous rituals not mentioned in it?

What Allah Actually Commands

Read these verses carefully:

"O you who have believed, do not violate the rites of Allah or [the sanctity of] the sacred month or [neglect the marking of] the sacrificial animals and garlanding [them] or [violate the safety of] those coming to the Sacred House seeking bounty from their Lord and [His] approval. But when you come out of ihram, then [you may] hunt. And do not let the hatred of a people for having obstructed you from al-Masjid al-Haram lead you to transgress. And cooperate in righteousness and piety, but do not cooperate in sin and aggression. And fear Allah; indeed, Allah is severe in penalty." [5:2]

Notice what is mentioned:

  • Sacred months
  • Sacrificial animals
  • Those coming to the Sacred House

What is NOT mentioned:

  • Stoning
  • Seven circuits
  • Black stone
  • Running

The Call to Return to the Quran

Allah says:

"And this is a Book which We have sent down, blessed and confirming what was before it, that you may warn the Mother of Cities and those around it. Those who believe in the Hereafter believe in it, and they are maintaining their prayers." [6:92]

"Then is it other than Allah I should seek as judge while it is He who has revealed to you the Book explained in detail? And those to whom We [previously] gave the Scripture know that it is sent down from your Lord in truth, so never be among the doubters. And the word of your Lord has been fulfilled in truth and in justice. None can alter His words, and He is the Hearing, the Knowing." [6:114-115]

"And indeed, this is the Book which We have sent down, blessed, so follow it and fear Allah that you may receive mercy. [We sent it] lest you say, 'The Scripture was only sent down to two groups before us, but we were of their study unaware,' Or lest you say, 'If only the Scripture had been revealed to us, we would have been better guided than they.' So there has [now] come to you a clear evidence from your Lord and a guidance and mercy. Then who is more unjust than one who denies the verses of Allah and turns away from them? We will recompense those who turn away from Our verses with the worst of punishment for their having turned away." [6:155-157]

Questions for Discussion

I invite sincere Muslims to answer these questions with Quranic evidence:

  1. Show me the verse that commands stoning the devil.
  2. Show me the verse that specifies seven circuits around the Kaaba.
  3. Show me the verse that mentions kissing the Black Stone.
  4. If the Quran is complete and detailed, why are these rituals missing from it?
  5. How can we justify performing rituals that Allah did not command?
  6. Is following heritage books more important than following the Quran?
  7. Why do we defend practices that cause death and injury when the Quran came as mercy?

A Final Warning

Allah says:

"Then do you believe in part of the Scripture and disbelieve in part? Then what is the recompense for those who do that among you except disgrace in worldly life; and on the Day of Resurrection they will be sent back to the severest of punishment. And Allah is not unaware of what you do." [2:85]

"O you who have believed, believe in Allah and His Messenger and the Book that He sent down upon His Messenger and the Scripture which He sent down before. And whoever disbelieves in Allah, His angels, His books, His messengers, and the Last Day has certainly gone far astray." [4:136]

We are commanded to believe in ALL of the Quran, not just the parts that are convenient.

Conclusion

I am not here to attack anyone. I am here to invite sincere Muslims to return to the Quran alone.

If I am wrong, show me the verses. If I am right, have the courage to admit it.

Allah says:

"Say, 'O mankind, the truth has come to you from your Lord, so whoever is guided is only guided for [the good of] his soul, and whoever goes astray only goes astray [in violation] against it. And I am not over you a manager.'" [10:108]

"Say, 'This is my way; I invite to Allah with insight, I and those who follow me. And exalted is Allah; and I am not of those who associate others with Him.'" [12:108]

May Allah guide us all to the truth and give us courage to follow it.

Peace be upon those who follow guidance.

Sources for Verification

I encourage everyone to verify these claims by reading the Quran themselves:

  • Surah Al-Baqarah (2):196-203 - Laws of Hajj
  • Surah Al-Imran (3):96-97 - The House and Hajj obligation
  • Surah Al-Ma'idah (5):1-2 - Sacred rites
  • Surah Al-Hajj (22):26-37 - The rituals and sacrifice
  • Surah Al-Baqarah (2):158 - Safa and Marwa

Read these verses in context. Do not rely on translations alone if you know Arabic. Verify everything.

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