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The disappointment of a beautiful woman and an empty conversation

TL;DR: I want a mind I can’t put down, not a face that doesn’t move me
Finding a woman attractive is easy for me. Finding one whose mind I can’t put down is almost impossible. Beauty is everywhere. A conversation that actually costs me something is nowhere. This leaves me with a low, constant disappointment, and I’ve started to distrust it. I want to know: is the overlap between “a mind I need” and “someone I’m drawn to” really that rare — or am I the problem? Brutal answers welcome.

I’ve never written this down clearly, so bear with me. I’d honestly rather be told I’m the problem than keep circling this alone.

Who I am. Engineer, heavy physics background — I even published a research paper. I work in a strategic technical role inside critical infrastructure. Outside work I don’t sit still. I swam competitively for 13 years, and I still train seriously toward a long-term endurance goal. I cook at an almost obsessive level. I manage my own investments. I travel alone and I like it that way. And over the years I built my own system of values from scratch instead of inheriting one — part Stoicism, part science, part solitary obsession — and I actually live by it.
Typology, if you care: INTJ, Enneagram 5w4. Very high openness and conscientiousness, low extraversion. The 5 in me collects understanding. The 4 wing means understanding alone is never enough — I need it to mean something.
I say all this not to brag. I say it because I think it’s the cause of my problem, and I want you to have enough to actually break me down instead of comforting me.

The problem. Finding a woman beautiful is almost too easy. I meet someone genuinely striking, and within twenty minutes of talking I feel the thing I dread: nothing. No pull. No idea that surprises me. No question that makes me rethink anything. No sense of a real inner world on the other side of the table. And I’m left with a very specific, quiet disappointment — because the beauty is right there, I can see it perfectly, and it still isn’t enough. Part of me genuinely wishes it were. My life would be so much simpler if a face was enough for me.

What I actually want. A conversation that costs me something. A woman with her own way of thinking who defends it, who makes me feel like I’m the one trying to keep up. When I meet that kind of mind, the attraction is instant and much stronger than any beautiful face. That’s the most attractive thing I know. But I almost never find both the mind and the beauty in the same person.

And here’s the part I’m most afraid of. I’m not sure I even have a clear idea of what love is, separate from attraction plus mental spark. When I try to picture “love” without those two things, I find almost nothing there. So maybe I’m not looking for a partner. Maybe I’m looking for someone who beats me at my own game, and calling it love because that’s the only version I know how to feel. That scares me more than being single.

Now the questions I keep turning on myself, because I don’t trust my own version of the story:
Is my bar wrong — am I confusing “she shares my exact obsessions” with “she’s intelligent,” and punishing women for not being a mirror of me?
Am I judging too fast? Twenty minutes of small talk is a terrible test. Maybe I kill the signal before it can even show up, then blame them for the silence.
Is this just the price of being built for depth and bad at social surface — a me-problem I should quietly own, instead of dressing it up as a search for a “worthy mind”?
Or is it simply true — is that overlap genuinely rare, and the honest move is to stop pretending and get patient?
I’m not asking how to lower my standards. And please don’t tell me to “just give people a chance,” as if I haven’t. I want the read from people who have lived longer inside this exact wiring:
Does it get better? Did you find the overlap — and if you did, where, and more importantly what did you have to break in yourself first to even recognize it when it showed up? Because I have a feeling the thing standing between me and that woman is not the dating pool. It’s the guy writing this.
Rip it apart.

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Update — The last three weeks were the hardest part of the whole thing.

**TL;DR:** 30M, \~7 weeks out of a 17-month on/off relationship with documented physical abuse and constant rupture-reconciliation cycles (earlier posts have the full history). After my last update, we tried “one more time.” It collapsed in 11 days. What followed was three weeks of letters, voicemails, staged emergencies, dozens of reels sent in a row, and finally her showing up in person where I was with my parents. I lost my composure at points and I’m not proud of how I spoke to her. Two nights ago I blocked her on everything. Posting to close the loop and stay honest with myself.

**For those who didn’t see the earlier posts:** 17 months, on and off. Real love AND real violence — repeated, hospital-level at one point — plus threats and boundary violations from her side. I’ve always owned my part too: emotional distance, withdrawal, and in the worst moments saying cruel things I regret. The realization that finally moved me wasn’t “she’s the problem.” It was simpler: *together we bring out the worst in both of us.*

**What happened after my last post:**

Against my own better judgment, we tried again. I told myself: slow, no pressure, respect rebuilt over time. It lasted 11 days. In those 11 days we had four major blowups. One of them started from a completely neutral conversation about internship uniforms. That was the moment I understood nothing had changed and nothing would.

I ended it on a Saturday — calm, clear, no cruelty. Probably the most dignified thing I’ve written in this whole story: *I care about you, but together we hurt each other, and I can’t choose your chaos.*

She didn’t accept it. What came over the next days:

\- Dozens of nostalgic reels sent one after another— couples, babies, “this is what I wanted with you.”
\- Voicemails.
\- A “the ceiling at my internship nearly fell on me / I need you” emergency.
\- A late-night “I crashed into a car” message, preceded by language about not wanting to be alive.
\- A long moral parable about how she helped a stranger, ending in “you had a rare person and you’re losing her.”

Each time I re-closed it. And each “last message” wasn’t the last — **because the channel stayed open.** That’s the mechanic I finally understood. Five perfectly-worded goodbyes mean nothing if they can still be answered.

Two nights ago she showed up hidden near the pool where I train, while I was there with my parents, and tried to kiss me after I said no. Later that night it exploded into text. I lost it. I sent dozens of messages, in caps, saying things in anger I partially regret — not threats I’d ever act on, but ugly, and beneath who I want to be. She immediately flipped it: *“reread the chat, let’s see who really treated who badly, you lost a very good woman”*

After that I finally blocked her that night. Finishing the other channels now. Keeping screenshots of the in-person appearances in case I ever need them. Not deleting anything.

To everyone who commented on the earlier posts, especially whoever wrote *“reread the part with the blood and the broken glasses — healthy relationships don’t have those chapters”*: you were right. It took me longer than it should have. But it’s done now.

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u/Previous-Carrot-9433 — 2 days ago

Update — The last three weeks were the hardest part of the whole thing.

TL;DR: 30M, ~7 weeks out of a 17-month on/off relationship with documented physical abuse and constant rupture-reconciliation cycles (earlier posts have the full history). After my last update, we tried “one more time.” It collapsed in 11 days. What followed was three weeks of letters, voicemails, staged emergencies, dozens of reels sent in a row, and finally her showing up in person where I was with my parents. I lost my composure at points and I’m not proud of how I spoke to her. Two nights ago I blocked her on everything. Posting to close the loop and stay honest with myself.

For those who didn’t see the earlier posts: 17 months, on and off. Real love AND real violence — repeated, hospital-level at one point — plus threats and boundary violations from her side. I’ve always owned my part too: emotional distance, withdrawal, and in the worst moments saying cruel things I regret. The realization that finally moved me wasn’t “she’s the problem.” It was simpler: together we bring out the worst in both of us.

What happened after my last post:

Against my own better judgment, we tried again. I told myself: slow, no pressure, respect rebuilt over time. It lasted 11 days. In those 11 days we had four major blowups. One of them started from a completely neutral conversation about internship uniforms. That was the moment I understood nothing had changed and nothing would.

I ended it on a Saturday — calm, clear, no cruelty. Probably the most dignified thing I’ve written in this whole story: I care about you, but together we hurt each other, and I can’t choose your chaos.

She didn’t accept it. What came over the next days:

- Dozens of nostalgic reels sent one after another— couples, babies, “this is what I wanted with you.”
- Voicemails.
- A “the ceiling at my internship nearly fell on me / I need you” emergency.
- A late-night “I crashed into a car” message, preceded by language about not wanting to be alive.
- A long moral parable about how she helped a stranger, ending in “you had a rare person and you’re losing her.”

Each time I re-closed it. And each “last message” wasn’t the last — because the channel stayed open. That’s the mechanic I finally understood. Five perfectly-worded goodbyes mean nothing if they can still be answered.

Two nights ago she showed up hidden near the pool where I train, while I was there with my parents, and tried to kiss me after I said no. Later that night it exploded into text. I lost it. I sent dozens of messages, in caps, saying things in anger I partially regret — not threats I’d ever act on, but ugly, and beneath who I want to be. She immediately flipped it: “reread the chat, let’s see who really treated who badly, you lost a very good woman”

After that I finally blocked her that night. Finishing the other channels now. Keeping screenshots of the in-person appearances in case I ever need them. Not deleting anything.

To everyone who commented on the earlier posts, especially whoever wrote “reread the part with the blood and the broken glasses — healthy relationships don’t have those chapters”: you were right. It took me longer than it should have. But it’s done now.

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u/Previous-Carrot-9433 — 3 days ago

My full story — 17 months

TL;DR: 30M, one month out of a 17-month relationship involving physical violence, emotional abuse, and constant cycles of rupture and reconciliation. Other Redditors suggested BPD after reading my original post. I'm here to share the full story, hear from people who recognize these patterns, and try to understand what I actually lived through.

I posted on r/breakup a few days ago. Several people in the comments pointed me here, saying my description matched what they'd experienced with BPD partners. I don't have a diagnosis for her — I'm not a professional and as far as I know she's never been formally assessed — but reading about BPD hit differently than I expected. So I'm here with the full story, looking for people who recognize this from the inside.

Who we were

I'm a 30-year-old man. About a month ago I ended a relationship that lasted just over 17 months. On-and-off the entire time — we broke up and got back together more times than I can count, five times in the final few weeks alone. So "ending it" felt less like a clean decision and more like something I survived one day at a time.

I need to say this upfront, because I think it's the part that's hardest to explain to people who haven't been here: there was real love. She was funny, passionate, intense in the way that made everything feel more alive. We traveled together — beautiful trips, real memories. There were quiet domestic evenings that felt like exactly what I'd always wanted. Gifts that showed she actually knew me. Tenderness that wasn't performance.

I'm not here to reduce her to a diagnosis or a villain. But I also need to talk about what else was there.

How it started shifting

Early on there were signs I explained away. Emotional intensity that tipped into instability without warning. She could go from completely loving to completely convinced I was the enemy in minutes. When something upset her — sometimes something small — the reaction was wildly disproportionate to the trigger. I learned to read the atmosphere the moment I walked into a room. I became careful with my words without realizing I was doing it.

Then it escalated.

The violence — I'm going to be direct

She hit me. Not once. Repeatedly, across the full duration of the relationship.

Broken glasses. Blood. She slapped me while I was driving. She tried to open the car door while the car was moving. She spat on me. She hit me because I got a tattoo she hadn't approved. She kicked me in the groin hard enough that I ended up in the hospital — I was sitting on the couch playing a video game when it happened.

There was a night I called the emergency services and then hung up, because I still believed it could be different.

She showed up at my workplace when we were supposed to be broken up. She showed up at places I regularly go. She sent threatening messages — at one point she told me I should burn the way Jewish people burned in the Holocaust. She said this after I had paid for a trip we took together to Poland, which included a visit to Auschwitz. That's the context.

I know how this reads. I stayed.

My own part in this

I'm not going to pretend I was a perfect partner. I can be emotionally distant. I retreat into logic when someone needs warmth instead. I have a deep tendency toward over-empathy — a belief that if I was patient enough, loving enough, the right version of her would stabilize. I chose to stay through every cycle, telling myself each reconciliation was the one that would hold.

There's also something older underneath it. I grew up watching my parents hurt each other and stay together. Somewhere in my wiring, love and enduring pain got connected at the root. Leaving felt like failure for a long time. It took me a while to understand it was the opposite.

The cycles

The pattern was consistent enough that I could map it. Tension would build. Something would detonate — sometimes something she did, sometimes something I did, sometimes nothing I could identify. There would be a rupture: accusations, threats, her going completely cold or completely explosive. Then a few days apart. Then reconciliation — and this is the part that kept me in it — the reconciliation was extraordinary. The relief, the closeness, the feeling that we'd survived something together and were stronger for it.

Then it would build again.

In the final weeks it was five full cycles. Five times I thought we were done. Five times something pulled us back together. I can see the mechanism now. At the time it felt like love that was just too intense to be ordinary.

The end — and the aftermath

About a month ago I ended it for good. Blocked everywhere. Deleted photos. No contact.

Three weeks later she left a nine-page handwritten letter at my home — dropped off at 3am. The letter was emotional and detailed and never once named a specific thing she had done. It apologized in vague, general terms. It framed our damage as mutual. It quoted her therapist. When I held my position, her next messages told me my love had been fake, that I'd led her on and abandoned her. Then came a flood of nostalgic photos from our time together.

I held the block.

Then last week she found my work phone number — a deliberate circumvention of every channel I'd closed — and sent a nine-minute voice message. Crying, trembling voice, asking me to release my anger, saying she'd finally understood everything. And again: nine minutes, not one specific act named. This was the third time she'd done this — letter, earlier messages, now video. Always the same architecture: vague acknowledgment wrapped in emotional intensity, self-congratulation for the courage it took to reach out, and the framing that we had both hurt each other equally.

What finally happened

I broke my silence. I know. We ended up in hours of back-and-forth across that evening.

In that exchange I named everything. Every specific incident. And something shifted — pushed by the specifics I laid out, she finally, for the first time across all of this communication, named actual acts. She said: the spitting was wrong. The kicks were wrong. She acknowledged the hospital. She said "I was wrong" without hiding it behind abstraction.

I felt everything at once when I read those words. Something like vindication — confirmation that I hadn't imagined or exaggerated anything. Grief that it took this long and this much to get here. And a strange, hollow feeling that I hadn't expected: hearing the actual words didn't produce the relief I thought it would.

Then she told me she was physically nearby — she'd spotted me from across the street — and invited me to come have dinner with her, take a walk together. She said: "For me the important thing is having asked."

I said: our lives need to stay separate.

Where I am now

A month out. Back on dating apps — and genuinely surprised that people respond to me, because I'd quietly convinced myself over the past 17 months that I was somehow undesirable, that she had been the only person who would ever truly want me. That belief, I'm now realizing, didn't come from nowhere.

Her finally naming the specific acts destabilized me more than I expected. I thought hearing those words would close something. Instead it reopened it. I'm processing that.

Why I think BPD might be relevant

When I read the clinical description, I recognized things I didn't have language for:

The terror of abandonment — the relentless reconnecting after every block, the 3am letter, the work number, the showing up. The splitting — she could idealize me completely and then treat me like an enemy, sometimes within the same conversation. The impulsive, dangerous behavior that seemed to come from overwhelming emotion rather than calculated cruelty. The genuine inability to be alone. The intense, consuming attachment alongside the destruction.

And the apologies — this one hit me hard — the apologies that were always vague, that never named specifics. I've read that people with BPD often struggle to name specific wrongdoings because the shame that comes with it is so overwhelming it triggers a collapse of self. The generality isn't always evasion. Sometimes it's the only way they can survive saying sorry at all. I don't know if that's true for her. But it fits.

I want to be clear: I'm not using this as an excuse for what happened. I'm trying to understand it.

My questions for this community

For those who've been in relationships with BPD partners — does this pattern match what you experienced? What are the details only someone who's been here would recognize?

How do you hold the genuine love and the genuine destruction at the same time, without one canceling the other? Because the love was real. And so was everything else.

Did you ever receive a real acknowledgment — specific, named, owned — from your partner? And if so: did it actually help you move forward, or did it just open something else?

How do you interrupt the internal cycles — the ones that keep running in your own head long after the relationship is over?

And for those who are further out: when did it stop being something you survived day by day and start being something you'd genuinely moved past?

Thank you for reading all of this.

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u/Previous-Carrot-9433 — 24 days ago

Update on my post — month of no contact, she found a way through, long night, something shifted

Hey. I posted here a few days ago about leaving a 17-month relationship that involved physical violence, emotional abuse and constant cycles of break-up and reconciliation. A lot happened since then and I need to put it somewhere.

First — I had this strange moment a few nights ago scrolling her Instagram. She was out at a party, surrounded by people, performing for the camera. And something clicked. The version of her I'd been grieving — the one that lived in my head — just collapsed. I realized I wasn't missing her. I was missing a highlight reel my brain had assembled while I was in withdrawal. The real person had always been right there.

Then she found a way around my blocks and sent me a 9-minute voice message. Crying, trembling voice, asking for peace, saying she'd finally understood her mistakes. But in nine full minutes she never named a single specific thing she'd done. Not one. I'd heard versions of this apology before — letter, videos, messages — and it was always the same: vague, emotional, self-congratulatory about the courage it took to reach out.

I responded. I know I should have stayed silent but I couldn't. We went back and forth for hours. I told her exactly what she'd done — every specific incident, in detail. Some of what I said came from clarity. Some of it came from pure rage. I'm not proud of all of it.

Then something unexpected happened. Pushed by the specifics I named, she finally said the actual words. She named the spitting. She named the kicks. She acknowledged sending me to the hospital. She said "I was wrong." For the first time in all of this — after a letter, two videos, and dozens of messages — real words about real things.

I felt everything at once. Something like vindication. Grief. Anger that it took this long and this much. And a strange hollow feeling — because even that, the thing I'd been waiting for, didn't fix anything.

Then she told me she was nearby and asked if I wanted to come out, grab some food, take a walk. "For me the important thing is having asked."

I said no. Our lives need to stay separate.

I'm sitting here now, exhausted, and I'm proud of that answer. But I'm also aware that I let myself get pulled into hours of conversation I'd sworn I was done with. That I sent messages in rage that were true but also cost me something. That even with the acknowledgment I finally got, I don't feel the relief I thought I would.

Three things I'd genuinely like to hear from people who've been here:

1. For those who finally got a real acknowledgment from someone who hurt them — did it actually help? Or did it just open another wound?

2. How do you process the things you said when you were at your absolute breaking point — the messages you're not proud of, even if the underlying truth was real?

3. For anyone who said no to the in-person moment — the test, the invitation, the moment they tried to pull you back — what did it feel like after?

I'm tired. But I think tonight something moved. Thanks for reading.

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u/Previous-Carrot-9433 — 24 days ago
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Update on my post — month of no contact, she found a way through, long night, something shifted

Hey. I posted here a few days ago about leaving a 17-month relationship that involved physical violence, emotional abuse and constant cycles of break-up and reconciliation. A lot happened since then and I need to put it somewhere.

First — I had this strange moment a few nights ago scrolling her Instagram. She was out at a party, surrounded by people, performing for the camera. And something clicked. The version of her I'd been grieving — the one that lived in my head — just collapsed. I realized I wasn't missing her. I was missing a highlight reel my brain had assembled while I was in withdrawal. The real person had always been right there.

Then she found a way around my blocks and sent me a 9-minute voice message. Crying, trembling voice, asking for peace, saying she'd finally understood her mistakes. But in nine full minutes she never named a single specific thing she'd done. Not one. I'd heard versions of this apology before — letter, videos, messages — and it was always the same: vague, emotional, self-congratulatory about the courage it took to reach out.

I responded. I know I should have stayed silent but I couldn't. We went back and forth for hours. I told her exactly what she'd done — every specific incident, in detail. Some of what I said came from clarity. Some of it came from pure rage. I'm not proud of all of it.

Then something unexpected happened. Pushed by the specifics I named, she finally said the actual words. She named the spitting. She named the kicks. She acknowledged sending me to the hospital. She said "I was wrong." For the first time in all of this — after a letter, two videos, and dozens of messages — real words about real things.

I felt everything at once. Something like vindication. Grief. Anger that it took this long and this much. And a strange hollow feeling — because even that, the thing I'd been waiting for, didn't fix anything.

Then she told me she was nearby and asked if I wanted to come out, grab some food, take a walk. "For me the important thing is having asked."

I said no. Our lives need to stay separate.

I'm sitting here now, exhausted, and I'm proud of that answer. But I'm also aware that I let myself get pulled into hours of conversation I'd sworn I was done with. That I sent messages in rage that were true but also cost me something. That even with the acknowledgment I finally got, I don't feel the relief I thought I would.

Three things I'd genuinely like to hear from people who've been here:

1. For those who finally got a real acknowledgment from someone who hurt them — did it actually help? Or did it just open another wound?

2. How do you process the things you said when you were at your absolute breaking point — the messages you're not proud of, even if the underlying truth was real?

3. For anyone who said no to the in-person moment — the test, the invitation, the moment they tried to pull you back — what did it feel like after?

I'm tired. But I think tonight something moved. Thanks for reading.

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u/Previous-Carrot-9433 — 24 days ago
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I left my abusive ex three weeks ago. I know it was the right call. So why does missing her feel like it’s killing me?

TL;DR: 30M.
Ended a 17-month, on-off, physically and emotionally abusive relationship about three weeks ago — five break-up/reconcile cycles in the final few weeks alone. There was real violence and also real love, which is what makes it so confusing. I left for good, blocked her, deleted her photos. I know I did the right thing. But I miss her constantly, I doubt myself daily, and some days I feel like I’m grieving someone who was also hurting me — and I don’t know if I’m even allowed to. Does the missing ever fade? How did you get through this part?

I’m a 30-year-old man and I need to write all of this down somewhere, because I’ve been carrying it mostly alone and it’s eating me from the inside.
About three weeks ago I ended a relationship that lasted around a year and a half. On paper that’s not long. In reality it felt like a lifetime, because it was the most intense, on-and-off, exhausting thing I’ve ever lived through. We broke up and got back together more times than I can count — in the final stretch it was something like five times in a few weeks. Every cycle was the same: a blow-up, a rupture, a few days apart, then a reconciliation that felt like the most beautiful relief in the world… and then it would build all over again.

And it wasn’t just arguing. There was violence. She put her hands on me more than once — broken glasses, blood, being hit in a car, a moment in a moving car I still don’t like to think about. There were threats. There was a night I called an emergency number and then hung up, because I still hoped it could be different. There was her showing up where I work and where I go, when we were supposed to be “broken up.” I’m not writing this to turn her into a monster — and that’s the part that twists me up — because alongside all of that there was real love. She gave me gifts no one had ever given me. We traveled, we had quiet domestic nights, there were moments of tenderness I’d never felt with anyone. The good was genuinely good. That’s exactly why it took me so long, and why letting go is tearing me apart.

I want to be honest, because I refuse to write this like I was a flawless victim. I wasn’t. I stayed. Over and over, I chose to stay, telling myself she’d change if I was patient enough, if I loved her well enough. And I have my own flaws — I can be emotionally distant, I retreat into logic when someone needs warmth, I checked out in ways that hurt her too. I own all of that. But none of my flaws justified being hit, and I had to keep reminding myself of that, because she was extraordinarily good at making the breakdowns feel like my fault.

When I finally ended it, she wrote me a long handwritten letter — pages and pages — apologizing in vague, general terms but never actually naming what she’d done, rewriting parts of what happened, quoting her therapist at me. When I held my boundary, the messages turned into “you led me on, your love was fake, you abandoned me.” Then came a flood of photos of our happy memories. I blocked every channel. I deleted her pictures off my phone. I’ve started forcing myself to talk
to people instead of sitting alone in the silence.

Here’s where I’m stuck, and why I’m posting.
Logically, I know I did the right thing. You cannot stay somewhere that hurts you like that, no matter how good the good parts were. But my heart did not get the memo. I miss her every single day. The second I’m alone, she floods my head. I doubt myself constantly: was I too harsh? Did I throw away the best thing I’ll ever have? If I really loved her, why does being free of her hurt this much — and if I move on, does that mean I never really loved her at all?

I think part of why I tolerated so much is that I grew up watching my own parents hurt each other and stay together anyway. Somewhere deep down, “love” and “enduring pain” got wired together as the same thing — so leaving feels like I failed at the one thing I was raised to believe love is: staying, no matter what.
And I’m scared. Scared I won’t find real love again. Scared I’ll end up alone. Scared that whoever comes out the other side of this will be colder and harder than the person I used to be.

So I’m asking the people who’ve actually been here:
• If you left someone who was bad for you but you genuinely loved them — how did you survive the missing-them part?
• Does the pull ever truly fade, or do you just learn to live with it?
• How do you grieve someone who was also the one hurting you, without feeling guilty for grieving them?

I just need to hear from people who made it to the other side that it gets better. Thank you for reading all of this.

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u/Previous-Carrot-9433 — 28 days ago
▲ 2 r/Breakupadvice+1 crossposts

I left my abusive ex three weeks ago. I know it was the right call. So why does missing her feel like it’s killing me?

TL;DR: 30M.
Ended a 17-month, on-off, physically and emotionally abusive relationship about three weeks ago — five break-up/reconcile cycles in the final few weeks alone. There was real violence and also real love, which is what makes it so confusing. I left for good, blocked her, deleted her photos. I know I did the right thing. But I miss her constantly, I doubt myself daily, and some days I feel like I’m grieving someone who was also hurting me — and I don’t know if I’m even allowed to. Does the missing ever fade? How did you get through this part?

I’m a 30-year-old man and I need to write all of this down somewhere, because I’ve been carrying it mostly alone and it’s eating me from the inside.
About three weeks ago I ended a relationship that lasted around a year and a half. On paper that’s not long. In reality it felt like a lifetime, because it was the most intense, on-and-off, exhausting thing I’ve ever lived through. We broke up and got back together more times than I can count — in the final stretch it was something like five times in a few weeks. Every cycle was the same: a blow-up, a rupture, a few days apart, then a reconciliation that felt like the most beautiful relief in the world… and then it would build all over again.

And it wasn’t just arguing. There was violence. She put her hands on me more than once — broken glasses, blood, being hit in a car, a moment in a moving car I still don’t like to think about. There were threats. There was a night I called an emergency number and then hung up, because I still hoped it could be different. There was her showing up where I work and where I go, when we were supposed to be “broken up.” I’m not writing this to turn her into a monster — and that’s the part that twists me up — because alongside all of that there was real love. She gave me gifts no one had ever given me. We traveled, we had quiet domestic nights, there were moments of tenderness I’d never felt with anyone. The good was genuinely good. That’s exactly why it took me so long, and why letting go is tearing me apart.

I want to be honest, because I refuse to write this like I was a flawless victim. I wasn’t. I stayed. Over and over, I chose to stay, telling myself she’d change if I was patient enough, if I loved her well enough. And I have my own flaws — I can be emotionally distant, I retreat into logic when someone needs warmth, I checked out in ways that hurt her too. I own all of that. But none of my flaws justified being hit, and I had to keep reminding myself of that, because she was extraordinarily good at making the breakdowns feel like my fault.

When I finally ended it, she wrote me a long handwritten letter — pages and pages — apologizing in vague, general terms but never actually naming what she’d done, rewriting parts of what happened, quoting her therapist at me. When I held my boundary, the messages turned into “you led me on, your love was fake, you abandoned me.” Then came a flood of photos of our happy memories. I blocked every channel. I deleted her pictures off my phone. I’ve started forcing myself to talk
to people instead of sitting alone in the silence.

Here’s where I’m stuck, and why I’m posting.
Logically, I know I did the right thing. You cannot stay somewhere that hurts you like that, no matter how good the good parts were. But my heart did not get the memo. I miss her every single day. The second I’m alone, she floods my head. I doubt myself constantly: was I too harsh? Did I throw away the best thing I’ll ever have? If I really loved her, why does being free of her hurt this much — and if I move on, does that mean I never really loved her at all?

I think part of why I tolerated so much is that I grew up watching my own parents hurt each other and stay together anyway. Somewhere deep down, “love” and “enduring pain” got wired together as the same thing — so leaving feels like I failed at the one thing I was raised to believe love is: staying, no matter what.
And I’m scared. Scared I won’t find real love again. Scared I’ll end up alone. Scared that whoever comes out the other side of this will be colder and harder than the person I used to be.

So I’m asking the people who’ve actually been here:
• If you left someone who was bad for you but you genuinely loved them — how did you survive the missing-them part?
• Does the pull ever truly fade, or do you just learn to live with it?
• How do you grieve someone who was also the one hurting you, without feeling guilty for grieving them?

I just need to hear from people who made it to the other side that it gets better. Thank you for reading all of this.

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