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u/Jos3ph — 7 days ago

Net incomes for mega cap AI companies, including Micron, Samsung, and SK Hynix

The most recent leg of the AI trade has been characterized by weakness in the hyperscalers and dominance in the hardware beneficiaries of their ballooning capex, particularly the memory chip manufacturers. This is most evident in the remarkable earnings report of Micron Technologies (MU) yesterday, which despite already stratospheric expectations given its parabolic runup leading into the print, crushed with a triple beat again, with $41.46 billion in quarterly revenues (+345.72% y/y) and $28.24 billion in GAAP net income (+1398.30% y/y). Unless you've been living under a rock, you're probably well aware of how other US storage stocks--WDC, STX, and SNDK--have ripped this year as well. But for now, they aren't megacaps.

It was time for me to accommodate the script to get Samsung and SK Hynix onto this plot. Adding TSMC gave 15. I added ASML to give an even 16 for the plot. At some point when SpaceX, Anthropic, and OpenAI have a few quarters of earnings history, I plan to include them.

As such, here are updated plots depicting net income comparison for the most significant publicly traded mega cap tech companies, sorted by market cap. The scale of the y-axis is the same for each subplot to allow a fair comparison of net income across companies.

Graphs were generated with Python Matplotlib. I've found that my data source (WRDS/Compustat) actually goes as far back as the early 1970s for INTC and AMD, with the caveat that data are limited for foreign stocks, particularly for the Korean stocks which required me to use the ticker on the Korea exchange (whereas TSMC and ASML have US-domiciled ADRs).

Market cap, trailing P/E, and last/next earnings date data are from Yahoo Finance (yfinance module). Note that yfinance does not process trailing P/E for the Korean stocks, but it's approximately 24 for both Korean stocks based on most recent earnings report.

Note that GAAP net income results in the following distortions:

  • Unrealized investment gains from the likes of Anthropic (Google and Amazon), SpaceX (Google), and Intel (Nvidia)
  • One-time non-cash tax charge (especially for Meta in October 2025) or non-cash tax benefits (especially for Tesla in December 2023)
  • Goodwill impairment charges (particularly for Intel)
  • Amortization from recent acquisitions (particularly for Broadcom and AMD)
u/Prudent-Corgi3793 — 2 months ago

Putting into perspective how insane Micron's earnings growth has been

In late 2025, Micron announced the consumer market. Gamers were enraged like jealous exes and vowed that they would remember when Micron needed their business again. Well, they won't.

From 1982 to 2025, Micron made a total of $57.12 billion in net income. That was its entire corporate lifespan over 43 years.

In just two quarters of calendar year 2026 (i.e. fiscal Q2 and Q3), Micron has made $42.03 billion in net income. Their guidance implies an additional $30-34 billion of net income for the next quarter, so they will easily surpass that $57.12 billion figure by the next earnings report.

For reference, from the end of 2008 to today, Tesla--a company with a similar (higher) market cap--has only made a cumulative $38.48 billion in net income. Micron blew that out in just two quarters and is only accelerating.

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u/Prudent-Corgi3793 — 2 months ago
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The "bull case" for SpaceX: re-running the Tesla dilution playbook?

There has been considerable discussion about the valuation of several upcoming IPOs, including the most imminent, Space Exploration Technologies (SpaceX). At a $1.75 trillion valuation, it would command an unprecedented 100-times price-to-sales ratio despite being unprofitable and a relatively modest 15% y/y growth rate for a company that is being priced for hypergrowth. How does one justify such a rich valuation?

Well, one simply cannot from the fundamentals or any reasonable expectations of future earnings or cash flows. But a comparison to the Tesla playbook may provide insight into the "bull case".

Typically, companies return value to shareholders by paying a dividend or buying back stock. Tesla famously has never done either. In that sense, it isn't a car company. But it isn't an energy, autonomous, or robotics company either. Its most lucrative venture has been selling stock--literally. Since its inception, it has issued $24.22 billion in shares, mostly frontloaded at the pivotal most times in its corporate lifecycle. In contrast, despite being a mature company, it has only made a cumulative $38.48 billion in net income, including the favorable EV tax credits, which would count as a decent quarter for the likes of Nvidia, Google, Apple, and Microsoft. Nonetheless, its shareholders--at least those who bought in before it entered the S&P 500--have been greatly rewarded.

How did this happen? Back in late 2018, Tesla was growing revenues at a dizzing clip--over 100% y/y--and after nearly a decade of unprofitability, logged its first two quarters of GAAP profitability. But when this trend rapidly decelerated and even reversed briefly in early 2019, the short sellers came piling in. This was a precarious time for Tesla. It had yet to meet the criteria necessary for S&P 500 inclusion, which included a full year (trailing 12 months) of GAAP profitability, and its stock was trading at justifiably high nosebleed valuations (Fig. 1) with a net debt position (Fig. 2), exacerbated further by junk bond credit status.

Figures here: https://imgur.com/a/hMrAPoP

Fortunately for Tesla, its entry into China and the rollout of the Model Y helped reaccelerate its revenues in mid-2019 and 2020 and catapulted it into sustained GAAP profitability, along with entry into the S&P 500. Suddenly, short sellers were scrambling to cover their positions, and in the ensuing squeeze, Tesla stock approached a P/E ratio of nearly 1000. The company used this opportunity to aggressively dilute their shareholders, issuing a total of $12.89B in shares in CY2020--a truly massive amount considering that the company's cumulative net income to this point was -$5.95 billion.

This meant that Tesla's credit was no longer junk bond, but BBB investment grade, allowing them to go from paying interest expenses to actually generating interest income and speculating on other investments like crypto. Because my data source does not itemize specifically for quarterly interest income, I am using non-operating income as a proxy (Fig. 3). This came as a fortunate time because 2022 came as a downturn in both bond prices and crypto.

Even to this day, as Tesla has matured, these share issuances represents a bigger infusion than any operating income (Fig. 4) or net income (Fig. 5) it has ever generated in any quarter, save for one single non-cash accounting benefit of $5.9 billion. It has fueled their stock based compensation (Fig. 6), as well their relatively modest overall capital expenditures and R&D (Figs. 7-8) given their grand ambitions.

This has been sufficient to keep Tesla's stock afloat even though it is no longer the hypergrowth company of 2019-20, even though revenues remain flat and declining, and even though eroding margin have resulted in drastically shrinking profits since 2022. But I don't know if Tesla shareholders--who self-select for a crowd who care about narrative over fundamentals, who care about pumping share price over earnings growth--actually mind. Those who bought in at IPO in 2010 have dramatically outperformed the market. Those who bought in after it joined the S&P 500 have trailed VOO by 35.50% cumulatively and experienced greater volatility than even UPRO (3x levered VOO), but generally seem happy with it.

What does that mean for SpaceX?

  • Its stock may not come back to earth (literally) for many years even if it never generates a meaningful profit
  • It is almost certain existing shareholders get diluted if its valuation remains
  • Issuing stock may be as important to the company as its purported business
  • The long-term plan is to unload more stock to retail and index fund investors
  • Be very careful when going excessively short on a stock
u/Prudent-Corgi3793 — 2 months ago

The "bull case" for SpaceX: re-running the Tesla dilution playbook?

There has been considerable discussion about the valuation of several upcoming IPOs, including the most imminent, Space Exploration Technologies (SpaceX). At a $1.75 trillion valuation, it would command an unprecedented 100-times price-to-sales ratio despite being unprofitable and a relatively modest 15% y/y growth rate for a company that is being priced for hypergrowth. How does one justify such a rich valuation?

Well, one simply cannot from the fundamentals or any reasonable expectations of future earnings or cash flows. But a comparison to the Tesla playbook may provide insight into the "bull case".

Typically, companies return value to shareholders by paying a dividend or buying back stock. Tesla famously has never done either. In that sense, it isn't a car company. But it isn't an energy, autonomous, or robotics company either. Its most lucrative venture has been selling stock--literally. Since its inception, it has issued $24.22 billion in shares, mostly frontloaded at the most pivotal times in its corporate lifecycle. In contrast, despite being a mature company, it has only made a cumulative $38.48 billion in net income, including the favorable EV tax credits, which would count as a decent quarter for the likes of Nvidia, Google, Apple, and Microsoft. Nonetheless, its shareholders--at least those who bought in before it entered the S&P 500--have been greatly rewarded.

How did this happen? Back in late 2018, Tesla was growing revenues at a dizzing clip--over 100% y/y--and after nearly a decade of unprofitability, logged its first two quarters of GAAP profitability. But when this trend rapidly decelerated and even reversed briefly in early 2019, the short sellers came piling in. This was a precarious time for Tesla. It had yet to meet the criteria necessary for S&P 500 inclusion, which included a full year (trailing 12 months) of GAAP profitability, and its stock was trading at justifiably high nosebleed valuations (Fig. 1) with a net debt position (Fig. 2), exacerbated further by junk bond credit status.

Fortunately for Tesla, its entry into China and the rollout of the Model Y helped reaccelerate its revenues in mid-2019 and 2020 and catapulted it into sustained GAAP profitability, along with entry into the S&P 500. Suddenly, short sellers were scrambling to cover their positions, and in the ensuing squeeze, Tesla stock approached a P/E ratio of nearly 1000. The company used this opportunity to aggressively dilute their shareholders, issuing a total of $12.89B in shares in CY2020--a truly massive amount considering that the company's cumulative net income to this point was -$5.95 billion.

This meant that Tesla's credit was no longer junk bond, but BBB investment grade, allowing them to go from paying interest expenses to actually generating interest income and speculating on other investments like digital assets (you know what I mean, trying to avoid the automod filter). Because my data source does not itemize specifically for quarterly interest income, I am using non-operating income as a proxy (Fig. 3). This came as a fortunate time because 2022 came as a downturn in both bond prices and digital asset prices.

Even to this day, as Tesla has matured, these share issuances represents a bigger infusion than any operating income (Fig. 4) or net income (Fig. 5) it has ever generated in any quarter, save for one single non-cash accounting benefit of $5.9 billion. It has fueled their stock based compensation (Fig. 6), as well their relatively modest overall capital expenditures and R&D (Figs. 7-8) given their grand ambitions.

This has been sufficient to keep Tesla's stock afloat even though it is no longer the hypergrowth company of 2019-20, even though revenues remain flat and declining, and even though eroding margin have resulted in drastically shrinking profits since 2022. But I don't know if Tesla shareholders--who self-select for a crowd who care about narrative over fundamentals, who care about pumping share price over earnings growth--actually mind. Those who bought in at IPO in 2010 have dramatically outperformed the market. Those who bought in after it joined the S&P 500 have trailed VOO by 35.50% cumulatively and experienced greater volatility than even UPRO (3x levered VOO), but generally seem happy with it.

What does that mean for SpaceX?

  • Its stock may not come back to earth (literally) for many years even if it never generates a meaningful profit
  • It is almost certain existing shareholders get diluted if its valuation remains
  • Issuing stock may be as important to the company as its purported business
  • The long-term plan is to unload more stock to retail and index fund investors
  • Be very careful when going excessively short on a stock
u/Prudent-Corgi3793 — 2 months ago