The best dps in the game. Her ult used to be her base kit. And for two years, everyone top to bottom called her not just a bad dps, but the worst dps. Unreal.

Yes the ult has improvements, but the point is there.

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u/PuzzleheadedAd6366 — 3 days ago

Black Cat ult description

Calling card:

Scream as loudly as possible to reveal your exact location. Put the entire enemy team on alert that you are about to dive and do zero damage, allowing them to stack and prepare cooldowns to survive anything you do four times over and explode you if you press q again

Something something get a dash and 3 coins.

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u/PuzzleheadedAd6366 — 21 days ago

Can we change the term baiting cooldowns to forcing cooldowns

Like what is this magical baiting everyone seems to be doing? Do you guys just stand there and telepathically transmit aura to make the CD player use bubble or something.

It’s not even semantics, it’s just not how it works and it’s misleading. You take the risk and go in, use your own resources, and provide enough threat to where they are forced to use things they would prefer to keep in order to save themselves, and hopefully live if you are skilled enough and lucky enough. It’s just basic support knowledge to save your cooldowns for when you need them against dive. What is there to be ‘baited’ by other than an actual threat?

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u/PuzzleheadedAd6366 — 24 days ago

Does this characters base function still work?

I play a lot of dive and people just end up stacking and fully obsessing over me and I like to swap off cos it’s just not worth the stress and even if I could get value I prefer to just play the video game

I missed the season where they nerfed him. The season prior was great. People would realise they wanted to stack and I’d just go moon knight and spam

I know a lot of you have historically been adventurous and like to parkour and ankh the backline and generally just be b*stards, but what I’m referring to is those matchups with the thing and dino as tanks and a punisher and Bucky main just sitting there holding m1. I used to just swap moon knight and happily just piss them off a different way

I never even caught what the nerfs were. Is he still effective at that type of thing?

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u/PuzzleheadedAd6366 — 26 days ago

I am not concerned with how racist or not racist the thing jokes are that is not the reason they are not funny

Why are people in that comment section banging on about racism. The point is that black panther is extremely difficult to play and permanently treated like shit and has been outright cucked by a hero that is literally mindless. Like actual fully defined no skill.

The joke IS funny. It is an outright funny joke. The reason it’s not funny any more is that it is making light of how the effort you put in to play this hero gets cucked by something that is completely effortless and that absolutely should not be in the game.

Someone with 1000 hours on this hero being completely unable to play the game because of some clown selecting this hero is absolutely not in any way funny

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u/PuzzleheadedAd6366 — 29 days ago

This hero’s design is ruined and boring now

I do not play bp, I am not looking to burst people and delete supports. That is no offence to bp players, but that is simply not why I loved this character. The whole beauty of this character was in being involved, and juking and manipulating 4 braindead zombies who can’t do anything other than sit in a big group, and can’t even do that.

I don’t want the Bucky otp to turn around and have his support dead, I want him to turn around and see me, miss me five times, leave with invis, then come back and make him watch the supports he is simping for get whipped to death while he got negative value.

The playstyle of hoping they have a big tank to farm grabs off and then setting up, then trying to land a grab on a support and go for a burst assassination is straight up BORING. People said this character was like BP when she came out, when she was nothing like him. Now she actually plays like him - setup, look for quick burst assassination

Literally just revert this character to her full initial state and intended design

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u/PuzzleheadedAd6366 — 30 days ago

Dive sucks so can we just revert her to how she was actually designed

She was designed the way she was designed for a reason and she was beautiful. Playable or not, better or worse she is more boring now

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u/PuzzleheadedAd6366 — 1 month ago

The lack of creativity in pro play is infuriating me

The number of wild teamups in the game is astounding. But pro teams are still playing nothing more than front to back gun shooting, running the same bans and same styles. The adaptation in pro play has literally just been ‘hey, x can shoot faster and y can heal more’

What about things like the invis teamup? She can turn the entire team invisible, and that could be used to fake out the enemy team as to where you’re whole team is routing, or to get a dive in an amazing position.

What about torch thing? If you manage to drop the thing on top of two supports, they are stunned for 1 second and absolutely dead to a torch slam.

Where are the teams TRYING NEW THINGS. They have the perfect place to coordinate and put new strategies on display and they have explored nothing.

In my opinion what was so great about YWL is that they completely exposed almost the entire pro scene as rigid, unimaginative, and generally unaware and panicky noobs. For me that is fully on display at the moment.

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u/PuzzleheadedAd6366 — 1 month ago

As a dive dps player I just want to say this one of the absolute worst supports against dive

I genuinely don’t know how she became known as an anti dive support, or if this is talked about here. If I am on daredevil I am going to be dashing all over the place. It is unlikely you are going to keep track of me in the first place. Even if you charmed me, there is little chance you’re going to be able to make anything stick even with peel. If you chase me you’ll die. If you don’t get out of melee form when I have created distance you will not be healing anyone. After that you’ve lost the cooldown. Black cat is a similar thing. Generally, I have 1 dash to look out for, and if that misses, which it’s likely to, melee form is gone, and she is essentially just a main support with low healing.

It’s one thing to play against a solo venom or cap but against the hyper mobile dps options she is simply worse than every main support against dive. I have no hesitation to go in on her.

In my opinion this is an out and out dive support. There is a reason she can tp through walls to people, and a reason her ult gives cc immunity. You can do what you can to keep your tanks up, and then the moment you see someone in a good position to jump on a backline, you can instantly tp to them and support that player.

Get active.

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u/PuzzleheadedAd6366 — 1 month ago

Black cat and deadpool have hard CCs

Can’t wait. Never gonna be instantly bannable by a rocket otp ever again.

Next season, we are showing backlines what their disgusting heroes have actually been doing for the last year

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u/PuzzleheadedAd6366 — 2 months ago

The comments on the video of slushii dying are beyond ridiculous. It is time to properly and harshly moderate this Reddit.

The majority of comments are straightforward clueless hating from randoms.

These people don’t understand how the character even worked. They are just saying clueless emotional tropes with no idea what is even occurring.

For the record, he was forced out of his waiting spot by the strange. Because he used his grapple to regain fury, and it was not a good time to start fighting, I imagine his plan was to dash on the Namor, and immediately righteous cross upwards and wall climb the rest of the way to the cover near the health pack, or use another throw/cross depending on how much damage he was taking.

Now I am talking gibberish to these people, and probably a few daredevil players too, but the point is they are all talking about how he is trying to 1v4 when he is TRYING TO LEAVE. If he was trying to go in, he would be on the supports under the bridge! Not a Namor who’s also getting healed by two people! They still have no idea what this character even does!

And even so, daredevil, or any dive, their entire purpose to be able to go in 1v4!!! There are good times/places and bad times/places to go in but the bucky and Phoenix players sitting in the backline all game are not going to leave when you go in!

It is not even relevant to the purpose of the video, which was interesting, that got completely derailed!

This character is cooked. We literally have no playable skill characters directly because of these people proving themselves inept over and over, and we have S tier morons getting 15 upvotes on the daredevil Reddit for saying zombie hating gibberish after they ruined the character because they were bad and lazy players! Every other bot comment is getting SUPPORTED and left there. It’s actually offensive they get to fester here!

So, please, can we fix the moderation here or what?

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u/PuzzleheadedAd6366 — 2 months ago

You guys are losers. You just lose. It’s what you do.

You get an actually playable dive, you put in effort to understand her, and the hitscan players told you she was so broken while banning her every game to happily play completely the most broken and gross no skill heroes in the game without putting in effort. 99% of you could put in literally 1000 hours on cat and you would not have as much of an effect as someone who just picked up the game and picked Phoenix, with somewhat decent point and click ability, but here you are repeating that she’s broken

And you just put up zero fight. You just go along with it because it is said. I’m sorry, I am, but you are completely controlled by the opinion of the masses. The large majority don’t want her playable because they cannot play her and don’t want to learn, obviously. And they do not want things to be playable other than what they play. It is that simple.

There is no world where this hero has anything on starlord or phoenix. She is objectively more difficult, more risky and not as good.

Most importantly, do you think for a second that the perverted hitscan player playing Phoenix or starlord or Luna or whatever is hard meta that season, every game, has ever felt that they don’t deserve to be meta? They feel entitled to it, always, and you just submit to that. Where is the playable dive dps? And when you do get a playable dive you just go, ‘yeah you know what? I don’t deserve anything, my shitty character is so broken it has to be gutted for some guy to stand there and hold m1!!!’ More than anything that lack of any stomach from you all upsets me the most.

You guys are born to lose. It’s all you can do. You don’t even want to win.

u/PuzzleheadedAd6366 — 2 months ago

When listening to what people say about black cat, please remember that this is the playerbase that permabanned black panther for an entire season just a few months ago

They literally permabanned BP when he was arguably the worst character in the game

I love her, and she is effective, but whether you are having success in your rank or not, succeeding in learning her or not, just understand that this character is simply not what people are saying she is. They will complain about anything that isn’t hitscan, forever, rather than trying to adapt. Believe me. They will never accept dying to anything that doesn’t stand on main and hold m1. Ever.

You do not need to agree with them or be moved by their opinion in any way, or post here about how she needs to be balanced, or feel inferior in your gameplay because people tell you she is OP.

We have received two playable melee dps all time, and if you are not a larper you’ll know that daredevil is also absolutely not what people are saying he is either, because of the way they nerfed him. Whether it happens or not I don’t know, but I do not think we should be accepting of that happening to another melee dps simply because Phoenix players want to press m1 for the duration of marvel rivals.

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u/PuzzleheadedAd6366 — 3 months ago
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black cat is easily the most broken hero in this game, bar none..

if she's going to be this untouchable, undetectable, untraceable, and just be black panther/invis girl hybrid on steroids, they need to make her have like 100HP or some shit. in the right hands, she's absolutely broken. and its not even the fact that she can kill, its the fact that she can just exist in your backline all game making you constantly have to waste time looking in directions, burning abilities when she can just go invisible to waste your shit.. the amount of value she singlehandedly provides to a team whilst being lethal is so fucking game breaking, its crazy that she doesn't get more hate than she does..

when you have heroes like wanda and namor who are literally designed to counterplay high mobility heroes who depend on it for suvivability.. and even they struggle within their design, you now have a real fundamental issue happening.

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u/GrieverXVII — 3 months ago

There are no bread and butter combos

The constant obsession with combos as a one stop fix all for dive characters always annoys me

The way to play the character, as with any creative dive, is to understand what the character does and what is correct for the situation

Yes, there are manoeuvres you do with this character and someone like daredevil. On cat you can use whip pursuit in quick succession to deal about half a health bars damage. On DD you throw dash cross to engage.

But you are not looking to do x or y combo at any point. You are assessing things like:

- Can I reach the backline with invis or do I need to dash in, or do I need both

- can I get a yoink off to start my engage and am I confident in actually landing it on the target I’m looking at

- how many coins you have and what that means

- When and how you invis mid dive

Etc. etc. etc. I could literally go on forever about the considerations for her

You can do things like yoink and immediately whip pursuit, invis straight away so no one knows where you are, then pop up right behind the support to land primary melees and with yoink halfway back to cooldown, which will give more bonus health and reset double jump if you need movement

That is the beautiful thing about the character. You cannot just do x or y and profit. It all depends.

You have two dashes, yoink, whip, pursuit, primary melees, and the shop. Learn what she does and dive with the character, do not look for x or y

u/PuzzleheadedAd6366 — 3 months ago

But also hitscan/backline dps players

The character is not good. Actually, she is pretty straight up bad. She is especially not good in a solo queue setting with no plan behind her, and I am all but certain pro teams will not be able to formulate ways to use her either.

Hopefully, after that time, and people understand that the character is bad, we can reflect on what is actually wrong with this community. It really will be a gift, that of all the characters they could’ve picked to say was OP, they picked this one. Selecting her and their reasons for it PERFECTLY highlights everything that is wrong with the playerbase

Don’t get me wrong, I love her, I will play her regardless, but she is just not a good character, so let’s ignore and come back in a month or two

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u/PuzzleheadedAd6366 — 4 months ago