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Many people found it strange that in 232, Power and Nayuta show up at the perfect time to save Denji’s life from the Zombie Devil.

For Power, you can reason that her contract with Denji to become friends pretty much survived the universal reset, like how Pochita is still Denji’s heart despite everything.

Makima states she’s “The only one who remembers those names now”, in reference to the concepts Pochita erased. Even she is gradually forgetting these concepts and what they represent, but still ultimately remembers them. Nayuta is the control devil 😱

What if Nayuta remembers Chainsaw Man or her past life in the same way Makima vaguely remembered AIDS, what the Nazis did to the Jews, etc.

In the original timeline, Makima says she came hunting for the Zombie Devil and thats how she found Denji, but you could argue things were way too convenient and its more likely she finally found Chainsaw’s resurgence via Denji’s transformation.

So on a similar note, perhaps Nayuta sought out Denji (and Power) at the warehouse. Maybe she instinctively knows of the connection she had with Denji, and that’s why she drafts him into Public Safety.

We don’t see much of Nayuta in the final chapter, so it could even be possible that she almost fully remembers Denji and dispatches him to kill fodder devils while she plays games to keep him safe (assuming she values him as property like in the old timeline).

Only hole in this theory I can think of is why didn’t previous Control Devil incarnations remember this information? This next part is full on crackpot, but perhaps Makima knew that her next incarnation would have the happy family life she always wanted, so chose to die to let Nayuta come back.

TLDR: Its awfully convenient for Nayuta to appear during the Zombie Devil attack, considering in the OG timeline it was most likely Denji’s transformation that drew Makima in. So what if Nayuta remembers bits of her past existence thanks to being the Control Devil, and that’s why she chose to go to the warehouse?

Pochita’s durability is strong enough to pretty much tank Makima’s bang (his body appears undamaged in the very next panels). Spear can pierce Pochita’s body much better than Makima’s bangs.

We know Spear can clash against Denji, who can clash against Katana Man. Katana Man can’t cut through Aki’s suit properly. Does this mean Aki’s suit fabric is tougher than Pochita’s durability?

Katana Man’s swords can’t possibly be tens to hundreds of times weaker than the other Hybrids considering his blades can very cleanly strike with Denji’s, its his abysmal battle IQ that makes him job to other characters.

Or would you argue this chain scaling is absolutely brain dead ? Where does the Hybrid’s AP scale to, then, especially when taking into account the higher end ranges for Pochita like Falling Devil or Oregon Sword scaling.

Bonus question would be whether Pochita’s AP is vastly, vastly superior to his Durability and thus all the other Hybrid’s AP? This would somewhat allow you to rationalise Oregon level Pochita without upscaling the rest of the verse.

Been wondering where Pochita and Denji scale since the Death Battle. Some circles (like here) think he scales to Island-Continental AP via Oregon, while others (like Spacebattles) think he’s city block tier. I’ll provide some summarised arguments I’ve found, I’d like to know what this sub thinks:

Lowball 1: City block+ stats, Mach 25-100+ reaction speeds. Pochita only scales off of his visual feats.

He can kick Quanxi and Miri through several buildings and throw his heart out at fast speeds. Nuclear Punch and Liberty Bullet (both exhibit city block or above visual destruction) reduce him to a torso. He doesn’t scale to Elbrus because Yoru’s hits tear his body to pieces.

Lowball 2: Town level+ stats, Mach 300-1400 reaction speeds OR 1-12% speed of light to 1.25c via Moon Spears. Pochita chainscales to VISUAL destruction feats of the series.

like Gun Devil levelling a city block in seconds or Elbrus’s explosion. Gun has a specific 500 km/s feat and estimated to travel around the world, Denji visibly dodges Moon Spears. Doesn’t really take into account kinetic energy, only visuals.

Kinetic Energy End: City, Mountain or Island level stats, 12% speed of light to FTL 1.25c.

Pochita scales to Liberty Bullet outputting 160 megatons to several Gigatons worth of energy, or the Moon Spears outputting 1-80 megatons of energy. Both these ends are achieved via calcing the speed and mass of Yoru’s weapons, then estimating Kinetic energy. There’s also Gun Devil’s kinetic energy via its size and movement speed, as well as some Elbrus calcs that get to Gigaton range with this method.

High Ends: Island, Country or Continental level stats, 12% speed of light to FTL 1.25c.

Pochita scales to Yoru weaponising Oregon into a sword, and Falling causing global disruptions passively with gravity. Both feats are either hundreds of gigatons to even higher (Exaton is the highest I’ve seen for Oregon). This end may or may not only scale to AP and not durability depending on who you ask.

Sources:

-https://g1-team.com/2026/05/22/death-battle-predictions-yuji-vs-denji/ (contains a lot of the arguments for higher ends for Denji)

-https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User\_blog:GunshyFever/Yoru\_spears\_Denji (Moon Spears)

-https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User\_blog:Acertainbcplayer/Gun\_Goddess\_attack\_speed\_and\_KE\_calc\_(simplified)

-https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User\_blog:ElJoaki5/Chainsaw\_Man:\_Michigan\_%26\_Oregon\_Sword\_Full\_Calc

TLDR: Does the sub scale Pochita to purely visual feats of the series, without calcs? Or does the sub like to use Kinetic Energy or even State Swords for the series?

DISCLAIMER: I AM NOT SAYING I AGREE WITH THE TITLE. Just curious what the sub thinks, as to me if you buy Death Battle’s scaling it looks to be the case. Also wondering for people that do buy Oregon state swords, does this verdict make sense?

In the recent Death Battle, the crew calced Denji to be around 32.9 gigatons stats, while Yuji is only around 1-2 megatons. In terms of speed, Yuji’s at Mach 932 while Denji is at 12% the speed of light, so around 112x faster than Yuji.

So considering Denji is 112x faster and thousands upon thousands of times stronger than Yuji, aren’t Death battle essentially arguing Denji can beat a near infinite amount of Yuji?

They also argued Denji wouldn’t be bogged down by Yuji’s poison or soul dismantles. (I agree on the second part but the first idk.. Violence was held back by poison), so every Yuji serves as a health pack, can get instantly blitzed and one shot or even erased if you argue it works on Yuji.

Does the sub agree Denji could beat an essentially infinite number of Yujis?

Going by these stats, the only wincon idea I got is all the Yujis using Death binding vows or packing them in a small enough space to create a black hole, like 1 trillion lions VS the Sun.

Even millions to billions of Yujis still lack the AP to put Denji down and provide him with more blood.

TLDR: DB logic dictates Denji should be able to kill gazillions of Yujis by completely blitzing, one shotting and regenerating off of them. Do people agree with this?

Who wins? Got a couple of rounds here for different variables.

RULES
-Assume both Chainsaw Men’s fear scaling is equalised for the fight.

-Yoru has her army, both gauntlets, nuclear punch, state swords, moon spear and liberty bullet. Makima has all her pawns from all the weapon hybrids, to Angel, Zombie, Snake, Punishment and Future.

-If Denji-Man or Pochita eat each other, they won’t retcon themselves. So assume it’s whoever you think would eat each other first.

Round 1: Completely blind fight. Makima and Pochita as of Part 1 are teleported into the an empty arena, same for Denji and Yoru. Their memories of their enemies are completely erased, so no one knows any abilities or kit or even reputation (for any control or weaponisation debates). The teams know about each other of course and are willing to work together. Both sides are bloodlusted so erasure is on the table.

Round 2: Everyone gains knowledge of each other’s abilities + memories from the original series. Both sides are bloodlusted again.

Bonus Round: Team swaps. Pochita and Denji VS Makima and Yoru, or Denji and Makima VS Pochita and Yoru. Does this change anything?

EDIT: Forgot to share my take on why this fight is honestly hard to call.

Pochita > Denji-Man via higher combat IQ (graveyard Pochita shows far better fighting ability than P2 Denji)

Makima > Yoru IF weaponisation doesn’t work on contract (Makima has more lives and BFR tools)

Yoru > Makima IF weaponisation does work (Makima gets turned to clothes due to weak physicals)

Pochita and Denji can both erase Makima and Yoru when not holding back. But Makima is especially vulnerable in close quarters, while Yoru can put up a good fight.

So I think if Pochita and Denji duke it out first, Pochita just wins that fight and then erases Yoru with Makima helping.

If Denji manages to eat Makima before Pochita can do anything about it by working together with Yoru, then Pochita is getting tag teamed.

If Makima gets her ideal range it could also be tough to call, as she could help her Chainsaw Man better than Yoru could imo. Teamwork and combat iq is also a big factor of this fight. Yoru’s an idiot, Makima is smart but a glass cannon, Pochita is a fighter but perhaps not a strategist, Denji’s not all that in CQC but a better thinker.