Image 1 — Some wasian have problem looking Asian. What about a European parent who looked non-White? Should I still consider myself Wasian or Asian/European mix?
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Some wasian have problem looking Asian. What about a European parent who looked non-White? Should I still consider myself Wasian or Asian/European mix?

Note: The pictures are native Canary islanders who's ancestry dates back to 15th century (Tell me if they look european/white or not). They are not like recent 1st generation to 4 generation Canarian born ethnic European British, German, Italian. Those have roots in 20th century or 1920's to 1960's migrant, now a significant minority and richer than average Canarian.

My experience and problem: ( Please give me advice )

( Quick explanation on my ancestry: I'm 50% Hong Kong(Chinese), 43.75% Canarian (Spanish), 6.25% Cuban. My cousins and me are all born as Half Hong Kongers/Chinese, and all 6 of us (7 but 1 have now died), all have Canary islanders mothers (except I also have Cuban mixed Great-Grandmother)

Growing up in peninsular Spain as a kid. I told people, that my mother is Spanish(European), the Spanish kids laughed at me. or called me a liar. They called my mother a Moor, Moroccan muslim, sometimes Latin American, or on one occasion gypsy (or that she's a gypsy pretending to be Spanish) which is something I remember hating to this day.

I'll say I belong to the 30-35% of Wasians who have more Western leaning/ambiguous traits. I got confused as Turkish, or a tanned Caucasian with some Asian traits. But this was never my problem. The problem is when, even today she see's herself as European/White, than telling me I'm half Spanish(White), and emphasizes our Spanish surname, nationality, passport. language, heritage, and that many Canarian islanders looked different in their appearance because of geographic location, climate, food. Every time I tell others this, the kids would laugh, even adults would giggle, although there a few sensible adults who say is possible but even among them there they try to explain my mother was a descendant of Moor. My other cousins, their mothers, look kinda South European (not in a uniformed way), or maybe look a mix of European/Arab, (out of 4 of them, one has hazel eyes with messy blonde hair, one has curly/wavy hair. like my mother, and the other has darker skin tone like my mother too, my mother also has a hook nose, longer than the average person). She is the only that have roots from Gomera island that as highest North African dna admixture. I feel the minor Cuban ancestry my mother has could have influence her looks. It just makes my identify feel like a buffoon, because I feel like wasian identity doesn't belong to a wasian.

Reality is through discovering online genetics and history of Canarian people

The Canarian islands are colony of Spain, the original people were Guanches/North African/Berber. The citizens all have Spanish passport but geographically located in North Africa and are genetically 68-77% South European/Iberian 23-38% North African or even 31-60% North African if they came from Gomera island (from where my mother's parent came from), some have Latin American ancestry from Cuba and Venezuela. Historically considered colonial Spanish citizens rather than authentic Spanish people, some have embraced their Guanches/North African/Berber roots and many identifies as Canarian and Spanish but many also embrace Spanish identity, although a minority claimed to be Canarian only and embrace the Guanche/Amazigh roots and some wish for independence.

u/SoloeaDomoea — 3 days ago

Do you find it necessarily to discuss race/genetic in Central Asia sub-reddit?

(This is what happens when people don't discuss genetic/race) On Instagram, Tiktok. I still see Kazakhstan and sometimes Uzbekistan being referred to as land of Eurasians/Wasian, or part East Asian, part Europeans. Few ignorant comment claim because of Soviet Russians, but reality is they are descendants of Mongol invaders and Turkic invaders, both who conquered Indo-European Iranic and from there people now understand. Still I see European white-nationalist claiming Iranic Scythians, Sarmartians, Sogdians, Bactrians as white people because of them being described as blue/green eyes with brown/blonde hair but REALITY is they were mixture of heavy European(30-50%)/West Asian(50-60%) with minor East Eurasian (5-16%) although phenotype wise they would have look very European or Caucasoid on average

Central Asians, Eurasians/Wasians, Half Asian, half Caucasoid should NOT be treated the same.

Romani/Gypsies, Half Indian, half Europeans should be NOT be treated the same

Ethiopians, Dominicans, half Black, half Europeans/ should NOT be be treated the same

The problem lies with Europeans claiming Romani/Gypsies as Indian origin or half Indian/White and Black people don't seem appreciate the difference between Ethiopians (Southwest Asian/Black) with Dominicans (European/Black), or half white, half black. With such garbage way of looking at thing of course they are going to lump all East Eurasian/West Eurasian as one group aswell even for someone like me can pass for Turkish or a tanned Caucasian with some Asian features.

That is why should not tolerate people with lack of genetic/race understanding

I'm the result of this stupidity. Believing in people with superficial myths and unfounded claims from my parents. Is the reason why the kids laugh at me when I was kid, telling them my mother is Spanish/Iberian (European) not some minority that they think. People think she is Morrocan( North African), Latin American, on one occasional gypsy even. She told me that many Canarian look different because of the food we eat, also climate, environment, weather effects people appearance, I believed it too,

I was brought up believing: I was completely half East Asian/half European, have Spanish passport, born in Spain, Spanish nationality that even my Cuban side is purely Spanish because my mother told me Canary islanders and Cuban all have Spanish surnames, and we are just immigrants from Peninsular Spain.

I started realizing: Canaria is next to Morroco and Western Sahara, the Canarian Spanish language/culture is more similar to Latin American/Caribbean, some Canarians want independence and reviving their Guanches/Berber/Amazigh/Mehrabian origin to distance themselves from Spanish and I'm not authentic Canarian even if I was only 1/4 Asian, 3/4 Canarian.

Reality after discovering genetics: Canarian islander have 22-38% North African, with my mother being from Gomera island ( North African reaches 30-60%) and who the heck knows what her 12.5% Cuban is.

Out all me and 6 cousins (used to be 7 but one died) who are born as mix Hong Kong Chinese, all of us have Canarian islander mothers, I yet mine happen to be one that is from Gomera island and also Cuban in addition. This makes me question my European identity. My dad is also similar ignorant, I told him he can't grow a beard, the other can grow nothing or only a mustache/goatee. One uncle can grow a full beard like me, I asked why, and he can grow it, and he said is because he was the most aggressive, violent, and have outburst, and drink more alcohol. Told me to watch medieval Chinese dramas, that many Chinese generals and soldiers had long beard or facial hair because they were in battlefield, facing violent fights and hardship, and this grew out more body hair. This is really ignorant way of thinking. Genetic shows average Chinese simply have less facial hair on average.

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u/SoloeaDomoea — 6 days ago
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Can you be wasian despite having South European/North African/Latin American ancestry?

I'm 50% Hong Kong(Chinese), 43.75% Canarian, 6.25% Cuban. My cousins and me are all born as Half Hong Kongers/Chinese, and all 6 of us (7 but 1 have now died), all have Canary islanders mothers (except I also have Cuban mixed Great-Grandmother) and all born in Canaria islands (North Africa)

The Canarian islands are colony of Spain. The citizens all have Spanish passport but geographically located in North Africa and are racially 68-77% South European/Iberian 23-32% North African or even 31-60% North African if they came from Gomera island, some have Latin American ancestry from Cuba and Venezuela. My mother get's mistaken for North African and sometimes Latin American, rarely European. The culture/language of Canarian islands much more similar to Caribbean Spanish rather than mainland Spanish. Historically they were considered colonial Spanish citizens rather than authentic Spanish people, some have embraced their Guanches/North African/Berber roots and many identifies as Canarian and Spanish but many also embrace Spanish identity, although a minority claimed to be Canarian only and embrace the Guanche/Amazigh roots and some wish for independence.

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u/SoloeaDomoea — 7 days ago

Gypsies/Romani people of Central Asia. Are they mixed or original?

They are called Lulli people in Central Asia, basically the Central Asian version of Romani/Gypsies. Did they always look like this before their migration to Europe? There is Indian DNA in Central Asia, but is low 0% to few percent. I always though it was strictly because of Timurids, you know the 1398 invasion, which he proudly said resulted in 100,000 slaughter of Hindus, executing mostly men and sold many Indian slaves women, children to Central Asia (how each soldier had 10 Indian slaves) or also Mughals slave trade which also had some Indian slaves to Central Asia. I always though the origin of low Indian DNA in Central Asia was due to that.

Could Lulli people have something to do with the Indian DNA too? To me many of these Lulli people of Central Asia look Indian-like others look like White/European? Surely these Lulli people can't be what original Gypsies look like right? They must have intermixed with Iranic people? right? Because they don't look as dark as I though they be. Is strange how some of the ones in Central Asia look more European/White than many of the ones in Europe.

The ones in Spain/Canaria islands

I've seen plenty of them in Spain and Canaria islands before. I've seen a study, it shows European Gypsies/Roma are supposedly 55-72% West Eurasian and 28-45% Indian, don't know about the ones in Central Asia though. Could they have mixed with Tajiks and Pamiri (who look European like?).

Spanish Gypsies/Roma.....a lot of of them can definitely pass for White/Southern European, but many of them look closer to the range of North Indians/Pakistani. On average they are darker for sure. The most common eye color I've seen in them were dark brown but a lot light with brown, or hazel eyes, but quite a few also with blue/green eyes, several of them even look Nordic people (with blonde hair/red hair). Kids have mostly black hair but a lot have brown hair (sometimes with messy strand of blonde). Although not all Spanish gypsies have Spanish roots, there are a minority with roots with Russian gypsies, Norwegian Gypsies or Finnish Gypsies. One thing almost all of them had one thing in common, is their darker skin complexion even the white/european looking gypsies have a slight exotic look to them. However even White/European looking gypsies are not considered white just for their origin/genetics. Even though they have assimilated, their darker phenotypes, or exotic look stands outs in the public. I know a half gypsy girl, she looked very white, but after seeing how her mother looks like (clearly Indian mixed phenotypes), she no longer appeared white to me, only phenotypically she passes as white.

u/SoloeaDomoea — 7 days ago

Hepthalites / White Huns. Were they Turkic, Iranic, Turkic/Iranic ?

Hephthalites(White Huns) and the Alchon Huns who are their subdivision, all went to conquer India and South Asia. Confirmed to be a Indo-European Iranic speaking people from Central Asia with Turkic connections/admixtures. Surprisingly with average of 36% East Eurasian admixture. I though they were White/West Eurasian (as in White people) hence the name "White Huns".

https://preview.redd.it/txw9sgp5c4ih1.jpg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9c1be0726fdc2cf0c71dbdd6daf86d6a32302f80

Description of them EVEN sounded like White people

The description here made it sound as if they were racially different from the Huns of Europe by the The 6th-century Byzantine historian Procopius of Caesare ( Around 500-565 AD ).

"The Ephthalitae Huns, who are called White Huns [...] The Ephthalitae are of the stock of the Huns in fact as well as in name, however, they do not mingle with any of the Huns known to us.......They are not nomads like the other Hunnic peoples......... They are the only ones among the Huns who have white bodies and countenances which are not ugly....."

Genetically / Racially

Carrying average 36.% East Eurasian is by all mean being Eastern/Western racially group mixed. Modern Uzbek level genetics ( Uzbeks 31-46% when excluding Uzbek-Tajiks) or Modern Turkmen Afghan (37%) and samples of Northern/Eastern Turkmens (31%) (and historically Iranic of Uzbekistan/Turkmenistan had only 0-7% East Asian admixture). More broadly 36.0% East Eurasian is equivalent to Brandon Lee's Western proportion (Son of Bruce Lee- and White mother). Or claiming a 36% Manchu and 64% Circassian as Circassian. Carrying 1/3 or 36% East Eurasian produces a lot of Eastern Asian phenotypes. I've seen people with these admixtures online and in real life. You could say 55-60% of them will look more western but 30-40% of them will have Eastern looking faces too. So racially speaking, them being Iranic/or West Eurasian is out of the question unless people defining all people who are 1/3 (or 36%) non-West Eurasian as West Eurasian people from now on.

Ethnically / Culturally / Identity

But it seems they identified as Iranic people so I have no disagreement with them being treated as Iranic people/history Iranic (but with mixed origins). I don't see much evidence that shows them identifying as Turkic people unless there is evidence that shows that. The most prominent theory seems to be that the Hephthalites were of Turkic origin, and later adopted the Bactrian language but by the time they arrived seems to have gone through a lot of racial/intermingling between Turkic and Iranic and by the time they went to India they were this mixed. Although they were a mix of Turkic and Iranic (East Eurasian/West Eurasian) they were obviously a Iranized people. So it's better to consider them a Iranisized people of Turkic/Iranic with East Eurasian/West Eurasian origins.

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u/SoloeaDomoea — 12 days ago

Hephalites (White Huns) who conquered India came from Central Asia but had 36% East Eurasian. Were they really Iranic Central Asians?

Hephthalites(White Huns) and the Alchon Huns who are their subdivision, all went to conquer India and South Asia. Confirmed to be a Indo-European Iranic speaking people from Central Asia with Turkic connections/admixture/origin. Surprisingly with average of 36% East Eurasian admixture. I though they were White (as in White people) hence the name "White Huns".

Description of them EVEN sounded like White people

The description here made it sound as if they were racially different from the Huns of Europe by the The 6th-century Byzantine historian Procopius of Caesare ( Around 500-565 AD ).

"The Ephthalitae Huns, who are called White Huns [...] The Ephthalitae are of the stock of the Huns in fact as well as in name, however, they do not mingle with any of the Huns known to us.......They are not nomads like the other Hunnic peoples......... They are the only ones among the Huns who have white bodies and countenances which are not ugly....."

Genetically / Racially

Carrying average 36.% East Eurasian is by all mean being Eastern/Western racially group mixed. Modern Uzbek level genetics ( Uzbeks 31-46% when excluding Uzbek-Tajiks) or Modern Turkmen Afghan (37%) and samples of Northern/Eastern Turkmens (31%) (and historically Iranic of Uzbekistan/Turkmenistan had only 0-7% East Asian admixture). More broadly 36.0% East Eurasian is equivalent to Brandon Lee's Western proportion (Son of Bruce Lee- and White mother). Or like claiming a 36% Manchu and 64% Circassian as Circassian. Carrying 1/3 or 36% East Eurasian produces a lot of Eastern Asian phenotypes. I've seen people with these admixtures online and in real life. You could say 55-60% of them will look more western but 30-40% of them will have Eastern looking faces too. So racially speaking, them being Iranic/or West Eurasian is out of the question unless we now starts defining all people who are 1/3 (or 36%) non-West Eurasian as West Eurasian people from now on.

Ethnically / Culturally / Identity

But it seems they may have identified as Iranic people , so I have no disagreement with them being treated as Iranic people/history Iranic (but with mixed Turkic origins). The most prominent theory seems to be that the Hephthalites were of Turkic origin, and later adopted the Bactrian language/writing/culture but by the time they arrived seems to have gone through a lot of racial/intermingling between Turkic and Iranic and by the time they went to India they were this mixed. Although they were a mix of Turkic and Iranic (East Eurasian/West Eurasian) they were obviously a Iranized people. So it's better to consider them a Iranisized people of Turkic/Iranic with East Eurasian/West Eurasian origins.

u/SoloeaDomoea — 12 days ago

Why is Central Asian music no popular in the world and lack global influence?

So far the only global Asian influence/impact that is reaching non-Asia audiences are: K-pop( Koreans), Mongolian, J-pop (Japanese), Bollywood.

Bollywood music/dances are sometimes danced by western foreigners. Mongolian Hu Band, "Wolf Totem reach no.1 in the billboard Rock digital sales (not the all billboard, just for rock) still very successful and they tour in western play in small venues or medium size concerts, stages. Japanese music is only popular through animation music (game music to a extend) but influential/and effectiveness that their artist can also play in small venues, and sometimes medium size concert overseas. Decades ago they could do with J-rock during the 2007-2010, now that genre is non-influential in the west except for some loyal fans.

K-pop music, I don't listen to it. But no denying it's global influence/impact. Especially boybands for example like BTS most no.1 Billboard since the Beatles, sold out world largest tours in Europe, Asia, North and South America. Spain, UK, Germany, America, Belgium, Brazil, Mexico. They were even invited by the president's house Claudia Sheinbaum (a fan). Other K-pop boybands like Stray Kids also had high ranking billboard are becoming global sensation too, selling out large selling out world stadiums in world tour. TXT, Nct, Exo, Seventeen, Monstar X all reached billboard, them and many more K-pop bands played in small venues, large concerts in non-Asia region. Fan girls will buy their merch, buy their albums and have pictures/stickers of them on their phones.

Why Central Asian music is so lacking and unpopular?

Uzbek MV have lots of views, but I don't see any global influence/impact. Most of their MV look like soviet era styles.. Turkmen and Tajik music seems nearly non-existent.

Kazakhs once tried that Q-pop genre ( which is Kazakh version of K-pop) using K-pop looks/appearance/fashion with their own music style, the most famous of them was Ninetyone, with decent MV views and definitely used to have degree of fans from other Asia to Europe, America's, I've seen in on the Instagram and comments, When I was instagram just being nosy looking at European girls who had fan pictures of K-pop boyband, I ocassionally saw Ninetyone included in their obsession, this proves they were good enough to reach wider audience but not could enough that their music can play overseas. Other Q-pop boyband basically pretty much dead. Kyrgyz also tried this KG-pop, which is Kyrgyz version of Kazakh pop (ultimately a version of K-pop) but died before Q-pop.

Dimash Kudaibergen is Kazakh, very talented and is performing to the world with his unique voice, but no world tours of selling out stadium/or fans buying music, just invited as a great talent for the amazing voice he has. One can say he is considered global talent.

To me Central Asian languages are harsh and rough like Mongolian, not ugly though, but it suits Mongolian rock band. I think central Asian should use this style. Like Chinese, Arabic, Persian, Southeast Asian. I think because their languages are unpleasant and harsh/rough in their tone. Chinese (whether is Cantonese or Mandarin, all Chinese dialect/languages). There was a Taiwanese band called Chthonic that reached a rock band audience in europe, but that's only because they played mostly music and kept their mouth shut, and mumble words that doesn't sound like Chinese. Language+Music Style definately plays a role in global influence

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u/SoloeaDomoea — 15 days ago

Can half Eastern Asian, half Turkish be considered Turkic people?

Just curious. I find this fascinating and complex. Are they Turkish and Turkic at the same time? Afterall people keep saying you are Turk as long as you speak Turk and have Turkic heritage, quantity doesn't matter?

Here are the mixed (Eastern Asian-Turkish mix), they speak Turkish and identify as half Turk yet genetically they be closer to Central Asian Turk in a genetic calculator proxy than even modern Turkish. Only they are not born in Central Asia but since Turkish claim to be related (at least partially to some extend) than makes even more sense for them to be related with Central Asian.

Born from Turkish father, Japanese mother (brother and sister)

https://preview.redd.it/tat8fif0zehh1.jpg?width=1592&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0efcf1b5d174f090025c60d6961881e9afa15609

Japanese father Turkish mother

https://preview.redd.it/41dsscw2zehh1.jpg?width=686&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e2a9fdc514e47ed5843ffe833eb13b730b3e3558

Chinese father, Turkish mother (has blonde hair and gray-blue eyes)

https://preview.redd.it/fi2vsgc8zehh1.jpg?width=415&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=55727f674f2c28ebbf504b7790e3c2464bd99647

Turkish father, Chinese mother

https://preview.redd.it/5lnh6ivazehh1.jpg?width=783&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=071310352abafc4536a267386740020dc095c7c2

Turkish father, Korean mother

https://preview.redd.it/2jqjuiljzehh1.jpg?width=1142&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=835ac9027f6b4907aad64845af632f1def680f28

Turkish father, Chinese mother

https://preview.redd.it/nv1p1d4nzehh1.jpg?width=335&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=30c32ce99ba142c21e2613d5daa7c522494283d3

Chinese-Turkish mix

https://preview.redd.it/ijcifsiuzehh1.jpg?width=399&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fb191cace43a27869a51883142314dc4e868e5e4

Half Korean, half Turkish (not sure about parents)

https://preview.redd.it/39xf2cwwzehh1.jpg?width=372&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8fde46e25b49db2df7996de35010640b8debc9bd

Korean father, Turkish mother

https://preview.redd.it/4b0713l30fhh1.jpg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7a8712ff9f2f0356f33d78eb17dfaa405f75e4b1

Turkish father, Japanese mother

https://preview.redd.it/3dx27ip90fhh1.jpg?width=447&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=870e09b9dc0670e9826943a555fd024f74866183

Chinese father, Turkish-Australian mother

https://preview.redd.it/4fd0mq5b0fhh1.jpg?width=330&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e93e339592aee36bd34d9e9ac34cca559718a1cb

Turkish father, Korean mother

https://preview.redd.it/bccnj3ad0fhh1.jpg?width=600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=19463fc8b2c2f4219ad7174c519b39c3c8536c81

Chinese father, Turkish mother (btw, this women's hair is black/brown before she dyed it)

https://preview.redd.it/5vwuwmxe0fhh1.jpg?width=330&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=144652b91216ba913b730b998632d538eaa0cba9

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u/SoloeaDomoea — 15 days ago
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Would you consider a Half Hong Konger(Chinese), half Canarian islander and bit Cuban as Wasian? I don't consider myself one though

Just wondering if I'm Wasian. Because I'm not born in Asia or Europe.

I was born in North Africa of Canaria islands (between Morroco and Western Sahara) I'm half Hong Konger(Chinese), my mother being Canarian islander and bit Cuban. Basically 50% Hong Kong/Chinese, 43.75% Canarian and 6.25% Cuban. Does that sound Wasian?

People from Canarian island are culturally/linguistically are very similar to Carribean Spanish, not mainland Spain. The people is is a mix of South Iberian (Southern Spanish) 72-78%, North African (Guanches) 22-28% and minor Sub-Saharan 2-3%. However my mother is from Gomera island where the island has the most North African DNA people, basically reaching as low as 31% and and high as 60%, many are 40-50% and 50-60%, I have no idea but my mother gets mistaken as a Morrocan muslim, I used to cry because people said my mother doesn't look European, other times people did say she can pass for Latin Americans.

( My great-great-grandmother was Cuban and grandmother was half Cuban, she even claim it was possible that there tiny bit of Chinese ancestry. This is because 120,000 Chinese coolies from Southern China migrated to Cuba and married or intermixed with many Black females, mix race black females, and some lower class white females (high class white females was not allowed to marry Chinese). There is 114,000 Chinese-Cuban with only 300 pure in 2008. And some 1.6% Cubans population carry Chinese paternal ancestry. In Jamaica it was similar 3.8% have Chinese paternal ancestry and these dated in 19th to 20th century (1850's to 1950's) in Peru some census also show several millions of Chinese-Peruvian mix due to Chinese coolie males )

Basically I don't mind seeing myself even as Latino-Chinese mix or Chinese/Caucasian but not wasian.

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u/SoloeaDomoea — 22 days ago

For Mongolians, will a half Chinese, half Mongolian be considered less Mongolian than a half Mongolian, half Russian for example?

I'm just curious if there's this mentality within Mongolians too. Would a half Chinese be less Mongolian than a Half Mongolian, half Russian (or any half white)? It wouldn't surprised me but I'm just curious.

I noticed the majority of Chinese I asked will consider a half Chinese/ half white more Chinese in identity than half Chinese, half Japanese or even half Half Chinese / half Korean. Despite their half white had facial features being so much more different (some even look white). I believe political history and ethnic tension made it. But when it's half Indian (especially dravdian), or half black, or half arab. They are somehow seen as the least Chinese, mainly because of their skin tone and hair type.

I'm half Hong Kong(Chinese) , and from my mother side I'm Half Canarian islander, and bit cuban. I always like to say my hair being curly/wavy is distinct trait (and they also think so too) and my facial features look more Turkish or Latin American too. My mother is also confused for a Morrocan muslim or sometimes Latin American. I'm considered non-Chinese looking and non-white looking because my non-Asian are Southern Iberian (South European) and North African and Cuban. Also Canarian culture is similar to Carribean Spanish, not mainland Spanish at all.

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u/SoloeaDomoea — 22 days ago

Are future Central Asians are going to be labelled Wasian/Eurasian as well completely

I feel like I'm more racially distinct from Wasian than Central Asian. I've seen a rise of social media vids mainly to Kazakhstan and to lesser extend Uzbekistan as "lands of wasian". I disagree as Central Asians are basically descendants of mixtures of Turkic invaders and later Mongols/Mongolian invaders conquering and mixing with ancient/medieval Indo-Europeans of Central Asia. And today they are muslims and had nomadic steppe culture.

But unfortunately there are various some strong FACTORS/REASONS why Wasian is going to be used on Central Asians in the future. This will be the fault of anglo-saxon and woke culture

What our eyes tell us

Central Asians Turks, racially and genetically look like part Eastern looking and part Western looking, anything from 25% to 75% Eastern Asian looking or Western looking. That is like a Wasian hapa (1/2) or Quapa (1/4), And there are those with 1/3 and 2/3 aswell

Geographically

Central Asia has borders with East Asia and Europe and terms labels like " Eurasian steppe " or " Eurasian nomads" doesn't help either, it gives a out a Wasian's vibe

Linguistically

Turkic languages spread from Eastern Asia ( North East Asia ) to Central Asia while Indo-European languages spread from Europe to Central Asia

Culturally

Russians which are considered to be Europeans. Their Russian Soviet-European influences: languages, writings, architecture, clothing is quite obvious in Central Asians.

Anglo-Saxon languages defining races/ethnicities

Wasians broadly include half Pakistani/half white or even half Indians/half white. So logically a half Central Asian/ half European is Wasian too

Even very broadly just being Central Asian itself can even be Wasian, due to the fact ancient Indo-European of Central Asia look like white people similar to Northern and Southern Europe.

Race/Genetics/Appearance and what our eyes tell us (EYES TELL THE TRUTH)

To me Pakistani and Indians (Indo-Aryans or Dravidian) they are considered Asian in UK but they look 0% related with Eastern Asian.

Kazakhs, Kyrgyz look are genetically and facially look predominant to full Eastern Asian, some look half.

Turkmen and Uzbeks (not including Tajik-Uzbek) quarter to one-third eastern asian and some look half and more. Uyghurs some look half , some look caucasian, some look asian more evenly

Tajiks are the only exception where the people look very western ( European+West Asian look) but a few also look half.

Ancient people of Northern Central Asia had Andronovo, Scythians, Samartians pretty much all look North European as hell, while Southern Central Asian, they look more West Asian but broadly look like South Caucasus and even Southern Europeans ( who have 15-23% West Asian like Italians, Greeks and 4-10% North African like Spanish, Portuguese)

SO HOW TO DENY BEING RACIALLY DISTINCT FROM WASIAN

Central Asian you need to find your own way. Me being 50% Hong Konger (Chinese), 43.75% Canarian and 6.25% Cuban, born in North Africa geographically and raised with Canarian culture ( language, culture, lifestyle) is extremely similar to Carribean and Latin American Spanish ( Cuba, Venezuela). Canarian culture is not even similar to Europe/mainland Iberians.

I will use my substantial North African admixture, and my slight Cuban heritage (North African/Latin American) heritage to break away from these Wasian. I also have wavy/curly hair which is something I have not seen in wasian except for this half Chinese, half Jewish.

My mother is Canarian islander, she happens to look like a Morrocan/North African or Latin American, in the past I cried wishing I look wasian, now I NEVER want to be Wasian. Due to the fact some wasian make me ashame to be wasian.

The negativity of Wasian is scary

Maybe because of this

Of the Asian/White marriages. most Asian/white marriages is 30% from Asian males. 70% is Asian women. 2010 now is better in 2015 is basically 34% Asian male.

The 1960 census showed Asian male-white female was the most common marriages but than in early 2000's it started changing with a equal balance of migration before it was mostly Asian males from 1850's to 1980's

White women most common intermarriage pairings with White females in 1960's was Filipino males (12,000), followed Indian males (11,200) and Chinese males (3,500). For White males with Indian females (17,500), followed by Filipina females (4,500) and Chinese females (2,900) <---- I don't know why they include Indians when these people look 0% Eastern Asian

WASIAN even those born from Chinese fathers like Gordon Chang, Isobel Yeung and white mothers, they are raised to hate and use propaganda against their Asian side, Dean Cain born from a Japanese father/grandfather and from a white actress, hates his Asian side too.

I don't know what's their problem but is annoying me. WASIAN. 80% of Wasian males married to white females compared to 95% wasian females married to white males. So means 20% of these wasian males are have problem that they struggle .

Also wasian of half yellow skinned east Asian (including those brown Southeast Asian) had married some the most prettiest world class female celebrities like Anna Chlumsky, Mariah Carey, Jennifer Lopez, Sophia Di Martino,y, Olivia Newton John, Yvette Nipar, Kate Hudson, Brooke Shields, Lara Dutta, Jasmin Selberg and some less famous ones BUT EVEN WITH THIS I don't want to be related with these people because culturally/racially/mentally I'm different.

u/SoloeaDomoea — 22 days ago
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Why Wasian males does much better than Asian males in interracial marriages even with celebrities?

Most marriages are Asian women/White men They make up 70% where as Asian men/White women 30% ( 294,000, 219,000, 230,000) most marriages are with Chinese men and Filipino men.

1992–2012 dataset:

  • White mother + Asian father: ~180,266 births
  • Asian mother + White father: ~399,752 births

Wasians: are grouped "others "in census. Wasian men 80%+ married white females compared to 95% of Wasian females married white males

Sure it's still more Wasian females than Wasian males having a white partner but still the margin is not as bad

Central Asians who genetically mix of Half Asian/Caucasian not wasian. Most of the marriages were Central Asian males: Kazakh men and Russian women, including Uzbek men and Russian women

(100% VERIFIED. GO CHECK FOR YOURSELVES)

Wasian males with western female celebrities

Half Asian/Caucasian including Wasians basically represent 0.01% world population yet they married and dated some of the world richest/high fame status/desired females in the world.

- Jennifer Lopez ( Famous world singer) married Cris Judd ( Filipino mother/White male)

- Mariah Carey ( biracial black/white World famous singer, one of highest seller of all time)6 years girlfriend of Bryan Tanaka (Japanese father/White mother)

- Sophia Di Martino (Famous Marvel Hero actress Loki) wife of Will Sharpe (Japanese mother/White male) and have children

- Anna Chlumsky (Famous Child movie actress/ hollywood actress) wife of Shaun So ( Chinese father/White mother)

- Olivia Newton John (No.1 Australian-British superstar female singer, one of highest seller of all time) 9 years girlfriend of Patrick McDermott (Korean mother/White male)

- Yvette Nipar( Robotcop/Detective actress in 1990's) married Patrictk McDermott and have children

- Kate Hudson (Hollywood actress) wife of Danny Fujikawa (Japanese grandfather/white mother) and have childrens

- Brooke Shields ( The prettiest girl in 70's, most desirable female actress ) girlfriend and virginity taken by Dean cain (Japanese grandfather/White mother)

- Lara Dutta (Indian winner Miss universe, world world and currently Bollywood superstar) 9 years girlfriend of Kelly Dorji (Bhutanese father/White mother)

- Jasmin Selberg ( Miss Germany (Estonian) and Winner of miss international of 2022) girlfriend of Younming Park ( Korean father/ Alleged White/Latina great grandmother)

Central Asian males with western female celebrities

( Technically a different type of Wasian, they descent from mixed Turco-Mongol East Asian males and White Indo-European Iranic females. So it would be a insult to include them as Wasians.)

Uzbek businessman Parviz Yasinov (a very Asian looking Uzbek) dated several famous Russian female singers back than

- Julia Volkova (one of T.A.T.U lead singer who was back in the early 2000's a world famous) had a son and Masha Weber (A russian band female singer

For East Asian and Southeast Asian males with western female cebritiess

Those that manage to marry. Most are either average social media, and B list, C list western actress,. example: Katy Louise Saunders who married Korean actor

A+ list ranking. I will say the most prominent I can find. Back than national and international beauty pageants was a super relevant 1950's and 1960's, it was relevant to some degree until 2008 today

- Armi Kuusela ( Winner of first ever Miss universe Finland 1952) married Filipino businessman Virgilio Hilario and had childrens

- Stella Márquez (First ever winner of Miss International in 1960*)* married Filipino businessman Jorge León Araneta and had childrens

- Olivia Hussey ( Goddess actress from Romeo Juliet, voted one of most beauty of all time) married Japanese singer Akira Fuse and had children

- Natalie Glebova ( Miss Canada, winner of Miss Universe 2005 ) married prominent Thai international tennis player Paradorn Srichapha, no children

u/SoloeaDomoea — 27 days ago

Are Wasians of Chinese origin the most negative of all Wasian?

I'm born from Hong Konger, my mother is Canarian islander (South European/North African) with a bit Cuban. I was born in North Africa. I will never identify as Wasian.

There are some successful Chinese wasians, but so far all the most hateful and negative ones I've seen come from Chinese Wasian both from Chinese fathers and Chinese mothers. You have EurasianTiger and other Chinese wasian who hate themselves and even lie about how those born from Asian/or Chinese fathers are mentally healthier, proud, happier than those from mothers.

The most Chinese hating Wasian I've met happened to born from a Hong Kong father and Welsh mother, I though he was just a acceptation but turns out there's more like him even in those with some celebrity status.

Gordon Chan, born from Chinese father and white american mother (of Scottish descent) who is a warmonger who hates China and Chinese people. He is always spewing hate against Chinese people in the west.

Isobel Yeung, born to Hong Kong (Chinese) father and a white mother, worked in Vice news propaganda, anti China, promoting the Uyghur genocide narrative

Alyssa Liu born from a Chinese father, white mother, also anti China

Steven Lin born from Chinese father, white mother, a celebrity dentist who recently started randomly punching women in the streets

Marriages of Asians and Wasians

The hate mostly comes from this. Yes, most Asian-white marriages are Asian women/white men. Where as Asian men /white women form about 30.5%. However 80% of Wasian men marry white females compared to 95% of Wasian females which isn't that bad. Wasians are categorize as "others" in the census. And if you look at Wasian males who dated/marriages some of the most famous, beautiful, desired females celebrities like Olivia Newton John, Mariah Carey, Jennifer Lopez, Kate Hudson, Sophia Di Martino. Only one Chinese Wasian man married  someone as famous as Anna Chlumsky, including some B/C list actress

I don't know, maybe Chinese wasians gets hated the most simply because their Chinese? Something is definitely wrong.

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u/SoloeaDomoea — 27 days ago

List of Mongolian males (and Siberian/Central Asian males) marrying western female celebrities? Are they better in intermarriage than other Asian males and Wasian males?

Make a list of Mongolian males and Western female celebrities (actress, singers, politician, Pagents, royalty?) the more famous/ the higher status the better. If you have to, you can include Buryats, Kamlyks, Inner Mongolians or even those half Mongolian looking Hazara.

I believe Mongolian are alpha males like Central Asian males and Siberian males and they more girls than East Asian and Southeast Asians? Mongolian/Siberians are alpha male who are nomadic and steppe culture. Central Asians are alpha males ( muslims, nomadic, steppe culture) different to East Asians who are sino-sphere and to Southeast Asians ( who are blend of native culture with heavy Indian culture with Muslims/Chinese/Christian).

( I HAVE 100% VERIFIED ALL THESE NAMES AND THEIR BACKGROUNDS )

Mongolian male

I don't know how to find more. I don't know Mongolic writing nor Russian, Turkic languages. So It's difficult

* Rosamund Ebdon (not really celebrity, or famous). A senior leader in charity management and is mentioned in the book "Why I married a Mongolian man)

Help me expand the list

Central Asian male

The only one I know is Uzbek businessman Parviz Yasinov (a very Asian looking Uzbek) who dated several famous Russian female singers back than

* Julia Volkova (one of T.A.T.U lead singer who was back in the early 2000's a world famous) He married Uzbek businesman Parivz and had a son.

*Masha Weber (A russian band female singerr ) s also married Uzbek businessman and had a son when she was 18 years

PLEASE HELP ME EXPAND THE LIST. I'm sure if I understand the Russian or Turkic language there be more.

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OTHER EXAMPLES ( like Asians and Wasians, I hope any Turkic can make this list)

For East Asian and Southeast Asian males

Of those that manage to marry some famous western female of higher status. Most are either average social media, and B list, C list western actress,. example: Katy Louise Saunders who married Korean actor.

A+ list ranking elite class. I will say the most prominent I can find. Back than national and international beauty pageants was a super relevant 1950's and 1960's, it was relevant to some degree until 2008 today (until all the woke and transgender came in)

- Armi Kuusela ( Winner of first ever Miss universe Finland 1952) married Filipino businessman Virgilio Hilario and had children

- Stella Márquez (First ever winner of Miss International in 1960*)* married Filipino businessman Jorge León Araneta and had children

- Olivia Hussey ( Goddess actress from Romeo Juliet, voted one of most beauty of all time) married Japanese singer Akira Fuse and had children

- Natalie Glebova ( Miss Canada, winner of Miss Universe 2005 ) married prominent Thai international tennis player Paradorn Srichapha, no children

For Half Asian/Caucasian males and Wasian males.

Half Asian/Caucasian including Wasians basically represent 0.01% world population yet they married and dated some of the world richest/high fame status/desired females in the world.

-Jennifer Lopez ( Famous world singer) married Cris Judd ( Filipino mother/White male)

-Mariah Carey ( biracial black/white World famous singer, one of highest seller of all time)6 years girlfriend of Bryan Tanaka (Japanese father/White mother)

-Sophia Di Martino (Famous Marvel Hero actress Loki) wife of Will Sharpe (Japanese mother/White male) and have children

-Anna Chlumsky (Famous Child movie actress/ hollywood actress) wife of Shaun So ( Chinese father/White mother)

-Olivia Newton John (No.1 Australian-British superstar female singer, one of highest seller of all time) 9 years girlfriend of Patrick McDermott (Korean mother/White male)

-Yvette Nipar ( Robotcop/Detective actress in 1990's) married Patrick McDermott and have chilren

-Kate Hudson (Hollywood actress) wife of Danny Fujikawa (Japanese grandfather/white mother) and have childrens

-Brooke Shields ( The prettiest girl in 70's, most desirable female actress ) girlfriend and virginity taken by Dean cain (Japanese grandfather/White mother)

-Lara Dutta (Indian winner Miss universe, world world and currently Bollywood superstar) 9 years girlfriend of Kelly Dorji (Bhutanese father/White mother)

-Jasmin Selberg ( Miss Germany (Estonian) and Winner of miss international of 2022) girlfriend of Younming Park ( Korean father/ Alleged White/Latina great grandmothers)

Average Marriage status: I also want to know how does the average male do

In the west most marriages are Asian women/White men They make up 70% where as Asian men/White women 30% ( 294,000, 219,000, 230,000) most marriages are with Chinese men and Filipino men.

Wasians: are grouped "others "in census. Wasian men 80% marry white female 20% other race (including Asian) compared to 95% of Wasian females who marry white males and 5% others (including Asian)

Central Asian: most are Kazakh men/Russian female and Uzbek men/Russian female marriage in Central Asia historically but I don't know about now,

My dream of course is to marry a high status pretty women. The best girl I ever got was a a hot Estonian doctor (a dentist) , but we broke up and have only been able to hook up with average female types.

Historically Central Asian males mass married females of other races due to their empires. And my Southern Chinese male village, as coolies mass migrated and married and mated with many (black, Mulatta, latina, some white) local females in Caribbeans, South America, with several millions of our mixed race descendants (to some small extend even Australia, UK) with no women marry out. back than my Southern Chinese Taishan Guangdong area, were strict and clannish would beat the crap and disown the women just for marrying out. Now because of this feminism since the 90's, liberate females freedom, or female now talk crap about their fathers and own men. I hope Central Asian women/men are not poison by this modernization feminism crap.

u/SoloeaDomoea — 29 days ago

List of Turkic males married with western female celebrities, royalty? Are Turkic/Central Asian male intermarriage better than Asian males and Wasian males

Can anyone make a list of Central Asian males and Turkic males who married/dated Western female celebrities (actress, singers, world beauty pageants, top ranking politicians/rich/sports people ect) or even Make a list of historical Turkic men who married European female royals if you have to.

Note: It doesn't matter if you have include male with mix race looking Nogais, Baskhirs, or even Uralic Nenets, Mansi, Tatars to Siberian looking Yakuts, Buryats. I believe they all roughly have something in common. I just want a large list of it.

I believe Central Asian males get more girls than East Asian and Southeast Asians? Central Asians are alpha males ( muslims, nomadic, steppe culture) different to East Asians who are sino-sphere and to Southeast Asians ( who are blend of native culture with heavy Indian culture with Muslims/Chinese/Christian).

( I HAVE 100% VERIFIED ALL THESE NAMES AND THEIR BACKGROUNDS)

Central Asian male

The only one I know is Uzbek businessman Parviz Yasinov (a very Asian looking Uzbek) who dated several famous Russian female singers back than

* Julia Volkova (one of T.A.T.U lead singer who was back in the early 2000's a world famous) He married Uzbek businesman Parivz and had a son.

* Masha Weber (A russian band female singerr ) also married Uzbek businessman and had a son when she was 18 years

PLEASE HELP ME EXPAND THE LIST. I'm sure if I understand the Russian or Turkic language there be more.

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OTHER EXAMPLES ( like Asians and Wasians, I hope any Turkic can make this list)

For East Asian and Southeast Asian males

Of those that manage to marry some famous western female of higher status. Most are either average social media, and B list, C list western actress,. example: Katy Louise Saunders who married Korean actor.

A+ list ranking elite class. I will say the most prominent I can find. Back than national and international beauty pageants was a super relevant 1950's and 1960's, it was relevant to some degree until 2008 today (until all the woke and transgender came in)

* Armi Kuusela ( Winner of first ever Miss universe Finland 1952) married Filipino businessman Virgilio Hilario and had childrens

* Stella Márquez (First ever winner of Miss International in 1960*)* married Filipino businessman Jorge León Araneta and had childrens

* Olivia Hussey ( Goddess actress from Romeo Juliet, voted one of most beauty of all time) married Japanese singer Akira Fuse and had children

* Natalie Glebova ( Miss Canada, winner of Miss Universe 2005 ) married prominent Thai international tennis player Paradorn Srichapha, no children

For Half Asian/Caucasian males and Wasian males.

Half Asian/Caucasian including Wasians basically represent 0.01% world population yet they married and dated some of the world richest/high fame status/desired females in the world.

* Jennifer Lopez ( Famous world singer) married Cris Judd ( Filipino mother/White male)

* Mariah Carey ( biracial black/white World famous singer, one of highest seller of all time)6 years girlfriend of Bryan Tanaka (Japanese father/White mother)

* Sophia Di Martino (Famous Marvel Hero actress Loki) wife of Will Sharpe (Japanese mother/White male) and have children

* Anna Chlumsky (Famous Child movie actress/ hollywood actress) wife of Shaun So (Chinese father/White mother)

* Olivia Newton John (No.1 Australian-British superstar female singer, one of highest seller of all time) 9 years girlfriend of Patrick McDermott (Korean mother/White male)

* Yvette Nipar( Robotcop/Detective actress in 1990's) married Patrictk McDermott and have children

* Kate Hudson (Hollywood actress) wife of Danny Fujikawa (Japanese grandfather/white mother) and have children

* Brooke Shields ( The prettiest girl in 70's, most desirable female actress ) girlfriend and virginity taken by Dean cain (Japanese grandfather/White mother)

* Lara Dutta (Indian winner Miss universe, world world and currently Bollywood superstar) 9 years girlfriend of Kelly Dorji (Bhutanese father/White mother)

* Jasmin Selberg ( Miss Germany (Estonian) and Winner of miss international of 2022) girlfriend of Younming Park ( Korean father/ Alleged White/Latina great grandmother)

Average Marriage status: I also want to know how does the average male do

In the west most marriages are Asian women/White men They make up 70% where as Asian men/White women 30% ( 294,000, 219,000, 230,000) most marriages are with Chinese men and Filipino men.

Wasians: are grouped "others "in census. Wasian men 80% marry white female 20% other race (including Asian) compared to 95% of Wasian females who marry white males and 5% others (including Asian)

Central Asian: most are Kazakh men/Russian female and Uzbek men/Russian female marriage in Central Asia historically but I don't know about now,

My dream of course is to marry a high status pretty women. The best girl I ever got was a a hot Estonian doctor (a dentist) , but we broke up and have only been able to hook up with average female types.

Historically Central Asian males mass married females of other races due to their empires. And my Southern Chinese male village, as coolies mass migrated and married and mated with many (black, Mulatta, latina, some white) local females in Caribbeans, South America, with several millions of our mixed race descendants (to some small extend even Australia, UK) with no women marry out. back than my Southern Chinese Taishan Guangdong area, were strict and clannish would beat the crap and disown the women just for marrying out. Now because of this feminism since the 90's, liberate females freedom, or female now talk crap about their fathers and own men. I hope Central Asian women/men are not poison by this modernization feminism crap.

u/SoloeaDomoea — 29 days ago

List of Central Asian male married famous European or Western celebrity females? How do they compare with other Asians and Wasians?

List of successful Central Asian males married/dated Western female celebrities (actress, singers, world beauty pageants, top ranking politicians/rich/sports people ect).

I will appreciate a list. Do Central Asian males get more girls than East Asian and Southeast Asians? I believe they do. Central Asians are alpha males ( muslims, nomadic, steppe culture) different to East Asians who are sino-sphere and to Southeast Asians ( who are blend of native culture with heavy Indian culture with Muslims/Chinese/Christian)

Central Asian male

The only one I know is Uzbek businessman Parviz Yasinov (a very Asian looking Uzbek) who dated several famous Russian female singers back than

- Julia Volkova (one of T.A.T.U lead singer who was back in the early 2000's a world famous) He married Uzbek businesman Parivz and had a son.

- Masha Weber (A russian band female singerr ) son too also married Uzbek businessman and had a son when she was 18 years

OTHER EXAMPLES ( like Asians and Wasians, I hope any Central Asian make this list)

For East Asian and Southeast Asian males

Of those that manage to marry some famous western female of higher status. Most are either average social media, and B list, C list western actress,. example: Katy Louise Saunders who married Korean actor.

A+ list ranking. I will say the most prominent I can find. Back than national and international beauty pageants was a super relevant 1950's and 1960's, it was relevant to some degree until 2008 today (until all the woke and transgender came in)

- Armi Kuusela ( Winner of first ever Miss universe Finland 1952) married Filipino businessman Virgilio Hilario and had children

- Stella Márquez (First ever winner of Miss International in 1960*)* married Filipino businessman Jorge León Araneta and had children

- Olivia Hussey ( Goddess actress from Romeo Juliet, voted one of most beauty of all time) married Japanese singer Akira Fuse and had children

- Natalie Glebova ( Miss Canada, winner of Miss Universe 2005 ) married prominent Thai international tennis player Paradorn Srichapha, no choildren

For Half Asian/Caucasian males and Wasian males.

Half Asian/Caucasian including Wasians basically represent 0.01% world population yet they married and dated some of the world richest/high fame status/desired females in the world.

- Jennifer Lopez ( Famous world singer) married Cris Judd ( Filipino mother/White male)

- Mariah Carey ( biracial black/white World famous singer, one of highest seller of all time)6 years girlfriend of Bryan Tanaka (Japanese father/White mother)

- Sophia Di Martino (Famous Marvel Hero actress Loki) wife of Will Sharpe (Japanese mother/White male) and have children

- Anna Chlumsky (Famous Child movie actress/ hollywood actress) wife of Shaun So ( Chinese father/White mother)

- Olivia Newton John (No.1 Australian-British superstar female, one of highest seller of all time) 9 years girlfriend of Patrick McDermott (Korean mother/White male)

- Superstar singer ( Robotcop/Detective actress in 1990's) Yvette Nipar married Patrictk McDermott and have children

- Kate Hudson (Hollywood actress) wife of Danny Fujikawa (Japanese grandfather/white mother) and have children

- Brooke Shields ( The prettiest girl in 70's, most desirable female actress ) girlfriend and virginity taken by Dean cain (Japanese grandfather/White mother)

- Lara Dutta (Indian winner Miss universe, world world and currently Bollywood superstar) 9 years girlfriend of Kelly Dorji (Bhutanese father/White mother)

- Jasmin Selberg ( Miss Germany (Estonian) and Winner of miss international of 2022) girlfriend of Younming Park ( Korean father/ Alleged White/Latina great grandmother)

Average Marriage status: I also want to know how does the average male do

In the west most marriages are Asian women/White men They make up 70% where as Asian men/White women 30% ( 294,000, 219,000, 230,000) most marriages are with Chinese men and Filipino men.

Wasians: are grouped "others "in census. Wasian men 80% marry white female 20% other race (including Asian) compared to 95% of Wasian females who marry white males and 5% others (including Asian)

Central Asians: it seems that most are Kazakh men/Russian female and Uzbek men/Russian female marriage in Central Asia historically but I don't know about now.

My dream of course is to marry a high status pretty women. The best girl I ever got was a a hot Estonian doctor (a dentist) , but we broke up and have only been able to hook up with average female types.

Historically Central Asian males mass married females of other races due to their empires. And my Southern Chinese male village as coolies mass migrated and married many local (black, latina, some white) females in Carribeans, South America, with several million of our descendants (to some extend Australia, UK) with no women marryout. back than my Southern Chinese Taishan Guangdong area, were strict and clannish would beat the crap and disown the women. Now because of this feminism since the 90's, liberate females freedom, or female now talk crap about their fathers and own men. I hope Central Asian women/men are not poison by this modernization feminism crap.

u/SoloeaDomoea — 29 days ago

Two genetic studies shows: Inner Mongolian and Outer Mongolians are almost similar.

The only reason I posted this is because some Chinese including Mongolians like claiming Inner Mongolians are Chinese-Mongolian mix*. This myth is disproven. You don't need to accept Inner Mongolians, as they are no longer Mongolian passport nationals but please stop with the lies and internet myth that they are mixed with Chinese. There is no historical foundation or policy of Han Chinese-Mongolian mixing in Inner Mongolia. The only reason people think it's the case because some changed their names or less people speak Mongolian.

1st Picture chart of two DNA studies: 40 Mongolian groups from Mongolia, Inner Mongolia, in Siberia and other parts China

2nd picture chart is the latest DNA analysis of Turkic people from Central Asia, China, Siberia.

DNA shows all Mongols in Mongolia, Inner Mongolia, China, Xinjiang mixture mostly of North East Asian, substantial East Asian (Yellow river) and small west Eurasian (Iranic). DNA on the chart: Blue in the left chat and red in right chart are Northeast Asian. Green in both chart is Yellow river DNA/East Asian, the purble and brown in left and right chart is basically west eurasian/iranic DNA.

DNA even in just Mongolia and Inner Mongolia

Most Mongol groups have high mostly North East Asian DNA but they all have other DNA mixed too, like all people in this world. Yellow river in all Mongol groups are 23-37% except for some groups with less than 10%.

Highest Northeast Asian/ East Asian DNA in Mongols are Eastern Mongolia's Daur people, Eastern Mongolia's Khalkha and Inner Mongols living in Eastern Inner Mongolia. Northeast Asian/East Asian DNA: 96-99%, Caucasian DNA 1-4%. Caucasian DNA in those Mongol groups are even lower than the Han Chinese and Han Chinese muslims living next to Xinjiang. Their caucasian DNA is 2.8% and 6% due to mixing with Hui Chinese muslims who have 8.9-14% Caucasian DNA on average, (although some studies for Hui also show 3.5% other 11.7%). Hui Chinese are mostly paternally Han Chinese men (70%), some descent from Central Asian males (15%) Persians/Arab (10-15%), some also descent from Arab/Persian females/Central Asian females (6-8%). Hui being descent from Arab/Persian, mostly a myth too.

Lowest Northeast Asian/East Asian DNA are Western Mongolia's some Khalka 89-93%, Oirats 81-84%, Tuvans 79-83%, Kazakhs 63-76% while Caucasian DNA for Khalkha 7-11%, Oirats 16-19%, Tuvans 17-21%, Kazakhs 24-37%

Yellow river DNA in Inner Mongolian is higher yes....BUT.....Does not mean it's Chinese

People who keep claiming Inner Mongolians are mixed with Chinese because they have higher yellow river/East Asian which North Han Chinese have it at 77-82% (the rest 18-23% North East Asian). Highest Yellow river is not even in Han Chinese people's DNA but in Qinghai Sino-Tibetan groups. People from South Mongolia from the times of Xiongnu and Khitan always had these high yellow river DNA mixed with Northeast Asian not because of some 19th-20th century mixing. In same archeology have already shown even North Han Chinese are not even entirely Yellow river they have always been 15-20% Ancient Northeast Asian too. And South Chinese Han are basically mixture of (30-50%) Yellow river/East Asian, (50-70%) Southeast Asian with little (3-6%) Northeast Asian. The Southeast Asians on the other hand have low percent yellow river and have 0% Northeast Asian in

Khitans and Xianbei with Yellow river DNA

The Khitans were mostly Northeast Asian but they themselves had 36-38% Yellow river DNA/East Asian and later Xianbei during Northern Zhou were 34% Yellow River and South Mongolia had always had higher Yellow river DNA. The Manchus even before conquest of China were already 30-40% Yellow river.

Turkic people with Yellow river DNA

Even Turkic people have substantial Yellow river. Except from Siberia who are almost entirely North East Asian/Siberian. The Turkic people from Central Asia like Kazakhs have 21.5% Yellow river/East Asian, 42% North East Asian (63% East Asian) although in Northeast Kazakhstan it reaches 60-64% Northeast Asian and 11-15% Yellow river, being 77-79% East Asian ( even more East Asian than Kazakhs in Western Mongolia). Uzbeks have 43% East Asian, and Turkmen 34% East Asian, both almost equally divided half/half DNA between North East Asian and Yellow river. See even Turkish people have 9.5% East Asian/Northeast Asian with more Yellow river DNA than Northeast Asian, even Azeri/Azebaijan having 8.1% East Asian/Northeast Asian is almost entirely yellow river DNA.

Why Mongols and Turkic people have high Yellow river DNA

Why Mongols and Turkic people have high Yellow river DNA. Tang dynasty, Han dynasty have ruled parts of South Mongolia and Central Asia. Also the Tibetan empire ruled parts of (China, Central Asia, South Asia) Tangut Western dynasty (ruled small parts of South Mongolia. North China ), Northern Qi are all very high Yellow river DNA have also ruled China and and parts of Inner Mongolia. Qinghai nomads have conducted raids against Han Chinese, Turkic people, Iranic people during medieval times. These are all non-Chinese people with very high yellow river DNA even more than Chinese and were historical enemies of Chinese people too is that they share similar DNA. There's no reason to think it's just Chinese. There was so many nomadic Sino-Tibetan kingdoms, dynasties, tribes who were more war-like, sharing DNA with Han Chinese but were not Chinese.

u/SoloeaDomoea — 1 month ago

Can a 3.6 million Mongolian population, really secure all the borders of their large country?

For such a large country, does it not require much larger manpower population to secure all borders? Is there enough local Mongolians to secure all borders or they enlist some Inner/South Mongolians ( in China there 6-7 million Mongols) or Buryats (in Russia 400-500,000 Mongols)?

Out of all 197 countries most populated countries. Mongolia population is ranked 131th most populated ( 3.59 million+ people in 2025 December)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_dependencies_by_population

HOWEVER.....by land size, Mongolia is ranked 18th most largest in the world.

With such a huge country with small population, most of Mongolia is basically like some huge vacuum area. In comparison, Bahrain with only 1.6 million or Kuwait, Armenia, with a population of only 2.7-3 million but their land size is small enough for their small populations to secure their small countries. Or European countries like Kosovo, Macedonia, Latvia, Estonia 1.3-1.8 million, their countries is like 1/20 the size of Mongolia, but more than enough to secure all their borders.

Albania, Moldova, Slovenia with only 2.2 to 2.3 million also more than enough to secure their borders. In my opinion a 3.6 million population can only probably secure a country like Uruguay who's also just roughly 3.4 million

To me Mongolia is somewhat like Iceland. Iceland land size is many times larger than many European small countries already, but with population of only 395,000 (with some who are not even Icelanders). It would take every Icelander to secure their country. Or Greenland, there's no way such a huge land with only 50,000 can secure the borders without Denmark's help.

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u/SoloeaDomoea — 1 month ago

Mongolia football, can they ever be in world cup in this century?

I'm talking about the 21st century or from 2026+ to 2100, or is it impossible. People tend to blame genetics or population, I think it's football culture and genetics makes more sense (but not sure). True, Mongolia today has only like 3.5 or 3.6 million people but poor countries with much less population like Cape Verde is like 500K, Curaçao only 150K people or even countries with a little more population than Mongolia like Panama (beaten Germany) is 4.3 million and made it to last 16, and Norway beaten Brazil 2-1 to made it to quarterfinals and is 5.4 million.

Uzbekistan qualified for the world cup, becoming the first Central Asian country to do so but lost in all three games all three games (3-1 to Columbia, 5-0 to Portugal, 3-1 to Dr Congo). finally breaking the curse. no country from South Asia (India, Pakistan ect) done it yet, and Southeast Asian Indonesia only played world cup once. Uzbekistan from Central Asia, is the first time a Central Asian team done it in 2026.

Just to be fair: Asia football can't be compared with West Europe or South America level. Historically Asian teams in World cup qualification had always been either Japan, South Korea, Saudi Arabia, Iran. Since 2000, it's always Japan having the best result of reaching last 16 rounds, with South Korea sometimes made to last 16 round. Some believe there be a rise of Asian football miracle, because of world cup results in 2018 and 2022. Argentina was beaten Saudi Arabia in 2022, While Germany, Uruguay, Portugal beaten by South Korea in 2018 and 2022, Spain and Germany beaten by Japan in 2022 and larger number of Asia teams joining 2026. but in 2026, South Korea only won against Czech Republic, Japan drew with Netherland and Sweden and won 4-0 against Tunisia but lost to Brazil who later lost to Norway. Iran were able to draw all three games, Saudi drew twice and lost 4-0 to Spain, but Qatar, Uzbekistan, Iraq. Jordan lost in all group stages games and by large margin of goals.

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