Image 1 — Turkic people with red hair/blonde hair and blue/green eyes is it because of genetic admixture or genetic mutate?
Image 2 — Turkic people with red hair/blonde hair and blue/green eyes is it because of genetic admixture or genetic mutate?
Image 3 — Turkic people with red hair/blonde hair and blue/green eyes is it because of genetic admixture or genetic mutate?
Image 4 — Turkic people with red hair/blonde hair and blue/green eyes is it because of genetic admixture or genetic mutate?
Image 5 — Turkic people with red hair/blonde hair and blue/green eyes is it because of genetic admixture or genetic mutate?
Image 6 — Turkic people with red hair/blonde hair and blue/green eyes is it because of genetic admixture or genetic mutate?
Image 7 — Turkic people with red hair/blonde hair and blue/green eyes is it because of genetic admixture or genetic mutate?
Image 8 — Turkic people with red hair/blonde hair and blue/green eyes is it because of genetic admixture or genetic mutate?
Image 9 — Turkic people with red hair/blonde hair and blue/green eyes is it because of genetic admixture or genetic mutate?

Turkic people with red hair/blonde hair and blue/green eyes is it because of genetic admixture or genetic mutate?

Most Mongols and Northern Turks (Kazakh, Kyrgyz) with colored eyes/hair still have East Asian faces, sometimes mixed. Is the blonde/red hair and blue/green eyes in Mongols and Turks entirely because of result of admixtures or does it include recessive genes, pigmentation, albinism, waardenburg syndrome. I'm asking for a alternative answer from Turkic people who also have some individuals with colored eyes/hair.

Other who are not Mongols and Turkic, how do you explain this

PICTURES

1st picture: Blonde hair/blue eye Hmong/Miao people

2nd picture: Blue eyes Lao sisters (warrdern syndrome)

3rd picture: blue eye Muslim Asian girl,

4th picture: Asian Albinos with blonde/white hair and blue eyes

5th picture: Chinese red haired brother and sister

6th picture: Blonde Hmong/Miao people

7th picture: Blonde/red/brown hair Hmong/Miao people

8th picture: Red hair Hmong people

(There is also this video of Hmong, Kazakh, Mongol) with colored eyes/hair
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzEnsynTBhM

So far the only people I've seen who have these eye/hair colored traits are Mongol, Hmong, Asian Turkic, Siberians, Miao people, and Yi mountain people of China in Sichuan. Of course I've seen Han Chinese muslim with green/hazel eyes and brown hair too but that's about it. Of course there's also the albino, heteretochromia, waardrome symdrone, pigmented Asians but these exist in every ethnic group in the world.

My envy for colored hair/eyes

I have envy for Asians or mixed Asians with colored eyes/hair. Despite me being half Asian/half caucasian.... You can be born from a Hong Kong (Chinese) father and Canarian mother (European/North African) and so what?. Despite me having mostly western face/bone structure all I have is black wavy/ curly hair and dark brown eyes. Out of 6 of including my cousins, only one born with some dirty blond hair and hazel eyes, yet he looks way more East Asian than me

Ethnic Hmong and Miao people, their genetics is 100% East Asian but were recorded like this

The ethnic Miao people of China are recorded with red hair. According to F.M Savina of the Paris Foreign Missionary Society, the appearance of the Miao was "pale yellow in complexion, almost white, their hair is often light or dark brown, sometimes even red or corn-silk blond, and a few even have pale blue eyes".^([33]) A phenotype study of Hmong people shows they are sometimes born with red hair.^([34])

u/SoloeaDomoea — 15 hours ago

Was Central Asian Turks with blonde/red hair and blue/green eyes really entirely because of ancient Indo-European admixture?

Most Mongol and Northern Turks (Kazakh, Kyrgyz) even with colored eyes/hair still have East Asians faces some with mixed faces. Is the blonde/red hair and blue/green eyes in Mongols and Turks entirely because of result of Indo-European admixture or does it include recessive gene, pigmentation, heteretochromia, albinism, Waardenburg syndrome. I'm asking for a alternative answer from Central Asian who clearly have some people with colored eyes/hair.

Other who are not Mongols and Turkic but have colored eye/hair traits, how do you explain this?

PICTURES

1st picture: Blue eyes Lao sisters (warden syndrome)

2nd picture: Blonde hair/blue eyes Hmong/Miao people

3rd picture: blue eye Muslim Asian girl,

4th picture: Asian Albinos with blonde/white hair and blue eyes

5th picture: Chinese red haired brother and sister

6th picture: Blonde Hmong/Miao people

7th picture: Blonde/red/brown hair Hmong/Miao people

8th picture: Red hair Hmong people

(There is also this video of Hmong, Kazakh, Mongol) with colored eyes/hair
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzEnsynTBhM

So far the only people I've seen who have these eye/hair colored traits are Mongol, Hmong, Asian Turkic, Siberians, Miao people, and Yi mountain people of China in Sichuan. Of course I've seen Han Chinese muslim with green/hazel eyes and brown hair too but that's about it. Of course there's also the albino, heteretochromia, waardrome symdrone, pigmented Asians but these exist in every ethnic group in the world.

My envy for colored hair/eyes

I have envy for Asians or mixed Asians with colored eyes/hair. Despite me being half Asian/half caucasian.... You can be born from a Hong Kong (Chinese) father and Canarian mother (European/North African) and so what?. Despite me having mostly western face/bone structure all I have is black wavy/ curly hair and dark brown eyes. Out of 6 of including my cousins, only one born with some dirty blond hair and hazel eyes, yet he looks way more East Asian than me.

Ethnic Hmong and Miao people, their genetics is 100% East Asian but were recorded like this

The ethnic Miao people of China are recorded with red hair. According to F.M Savina of the Paris Foreign Missionary Society, the appearance of the Miao was "pale yellow in complexion, almost white, their hair is often light or dark brown, sometimes even red or corn-silk blond, and a few even have pale blue eyes".^([33]) A phenotype study of Hmong people shows they are sometimes born with red hair.^([34])

u/SoloeaDomoea — 1 day ago

Origin of Blonde/red hair and blue/green eyes Turkic people are they the result of genetic admixture or genetic mutations?

Most Mongol and Northern Turks (Kazakh, Kyrgyz) with colored eyes/hair still have East Asian faces, sometimes mixed. Is the blonde/red hair and blue/green eyes in Mongols and Turks entirely because of result of Indo-European admixture or does it include recessive gene, pigmentation, albinism, Waardenburg syndrome. I'm asking for a alternative answer from Turkic people who clearly have these traits.

Other who are not Mongols and Turkic but share colored eye/hair traits, how do you explain this?

PICTURES

1st picture: Asian albino's with White/blonde hair/blue eyes

2nd picture: Hmong/Miao people with blonde hair/blue eyes

3rd picture: Blue eyes Lao sisters (warrdern syndrome)

4rd picture: blue eye Muslim Asian girl,

5th picture: Chinese red haired brother and sister

6th picture: Blonde Hmong/Miao people

7th picture: Blonde/red/brown hair Hmong/Miao people

8th picture: Red hair Hmong people

(There is also this video of Hmong, Kazakh, Mongol) with colored eyes/hair
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzEnsynTBhM

So far the only people I've seen who have these eye/hair colored traits are Mongol, Hmong, Asian Turkic, Siberians, Miao people, and Yi mountain people of China in Sichuan. Of course I've seen Han Chinese muslim with green/hazel eyes and brown hair too but that's about it. (The albino/waarden sydrome, pigemented Asian groups exist in every race/ethnic group so is not anything exclusive/unique to anyone)

My envy for colored hair/eyes

I have envy for Asians or mixed Asians with colored eyes/hair. Despite being half Asian/half caucasian. You can be born from a Hong Kong (Chinese) father and Canarian mother (European/North African) and so what?. Despite me having mostly western face/bone structure all I have is black wavy/curly hair and dark brown eyes. Out of 6 of including my cousins, only one born with some blond hair and hazel eyes, yet he looks way more East Asian than me.

Ethnic Hmong and Miao people, their genetics is 100% East Asian but were recorded like this

The ethnic Miao people of China are recorded with red hair. According to F.M Savina of the Paris Foreign Missionary Society, the appearance of the Miao was "pale yellow in complexion, almost white, their hair is often light or dark brown, sometimes even red or corn-silk blond, and a few even have pale blue eyes".^([33]) A phenotype study of Hmong people shows they are sometimes born with red hair.^([34])

u/SoloeaDomoea — 1 day ago

Blonde/red hair and blue/green eyes in Mongols and Turkic people are they the result of genetic admixture or genetic mutate

Most Mongols and Northern Turks (Kazakh, Kyrgyz) with colored eyes/hair still have East Asian faces, sometimes mixed. Is the blonde/red hair and blue/green eyes in Mongols and Turks entirely because of result of Indo-European admixture or does it include recessive gene, pigmentation, albinism, waardenburg syndrome. I'm asking for a alternative answer from Mongolians who also have some individivials with colored eyes/hair.

Other who are not Mongols and Turkic, how do you explain this?

PICTURES

1st picture: Blonde hair/blue eye Hmong/Miao people

2nd picture: Blue eyes Lao sisters (warrdern syndrome)

3rd picture: blue eye Muslim Asian girl,

4th picture: Asian Albinos with blonde/white hair and blue eyes

5th picture: Chinese red haired brother and sister

6th picture: Blonde Hmong/Miao people

7th picture: Blonde/red/brown hair Hmong/Miao people

8th picture: Red hair Hmong people

(There is also this video of Hmong, Kazakh, Mongol) with colored eyes/hair
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzEnsynTBhM

So far the only people I've seen who have these eye/hair colored traits are Mongol, Hmong, Asian Turkic, Siberians, Miao people, and Yi mountain people of China in Sichuan. Of course I've seen Han Chinese muslim with green/hazel eyes and brown hair too but that's about it. Of course there's also the albino, heteretochromia, waardrome symdrone, pigmented Asians but these exist in every ethnic group in the world.

My envy for colored hair/eyes

I have envy for Asians or mixed Asians with colored eyes/hair. Despite me being half Asian/half caucasian.... You can be born from a Hong Kong (Chinese) father and Canarian mother (European/North African) and so what?. Despite me having mostly western face/bone structure all I have is black wavy/ curly hair and dark brown eyes. Out of 6 of including my cousins, only one born with some dirty blond hair and hazel eyes, yet he looks way more East Asian than me

Ethnic Hmong and Miao people, their genetics is 100% East Asian but were recorded like this

The ethnic Miao people of China are recorded with red hair. According to F.M Savina of the Paris Foreign Missionary Society, the appearance of the Miao was "pale yellow in complexion, almost white, their hair is often light or dark brown, sometimes even red or corn-silk blond, and a few even have pale blue eyes".^([33]) A phenotype study of Hmong people shows they are sometimes born with red hair.^([34])

u/SoloeaDomoea — 1 day ago

Is Turkic group a language/linguistic group or a racial group?

In my opinion: I will definitely say historically ethnic/racial group or originally racial but now diverse to define ethnic/linguistic Turkic. I challenge anyone who say Turkic is not racial but only a linguistic group.

Some people keep saying Turkic is a language group not a racial group but that be saying English and Spanish are only language groups too and so than there's so such thing as English (British/Anglo-saxon) and Spanish (Spaniard/Iberians) identity anymore. So I would definitely say racial.

Turkic origins

Originally racial and now linguistically and racially diverse from Siberia, Central Asia to Eastern Russia, Azerbaijan, Turkey. Proto-Turk (Neolithic Turk) were East Asian, than by the time of Xiongnu and Gokturks predominant East Asian and by time expansion in Western world it became more diverse by conquering and assimilating others. There now even Indian people identifying as Turks in India, Pakistan

Let's use English in comparison to Turkic.

Original English came from Indo-Europeans Anglo-saxons which is England/British today. However after 1500 AD the British empire colonization of Australia, America, Canada, Jamaica, Guyana, Trinidad Tobago all became English-speaking people but nobody would consider Jamaicans or Guyana as Indo-Europeans in race. Jamaicans are clearly black (although with genetic diversity) they speak a Caribbean English but still English. They are genetically 72-78% Black but also have 30% Europeans paternal, 3.8% Chinese paternal, 0.6% Indian paternal. Male migrants/coolies migrated and married local Same in Guyana and Trinidad Tobago, the Guyanese are mostly black and Indians (South Asian), the first president was even a Chinese Authur Chung, yet everything they do in legislation, education, ceremonial is all in English. So are they are now assimilated English-Indo-Europeans?

Successful examples: Arabic, Spanish, Turkic, English languages were successful in colonizing, enforcing their languages on other populations.

Apart from Turkic success and English success. Same with Spanish and Arabic, which is in Latin America and Arabic/Arab identity in parts of West Asia, North Africa, East Africa. The original root come from Spanish empire and Arabic empire and expansion, it came from what is Saudi Arabia today. So original Spanish speaking people are Iberians/Spaniards and original Arabic/Arabs are the Saudis but now we have Hispanic/South Americans and Carribeans identifying as Latino when the original Latino were from European Spanish/Iberians (proxy-Italians) and many people now identify Arabs in-none arab lands due to conversion and mix ancestry.

Not so successful: Manchus, Romans, Tibetans, Ottoman Turks, Han Chinese, Mongols

Romans (Italic) and Ottoman Turks: they conquered and ruled many territories could not successfully made the inhabitants fully convert to their language/identity which is why ltalian and turkish are not official languages in anywhere except for themselves.

Mongol empire: only evidence is largely genetics, some titles, words of Mongol origin. Despite such a large empire, in China they spoke both Chinese and Mongolic and in Central Asia mostly Turkic (elite spoke Mongolic), same in Europe and Iran (spoke mostly persian too)

Manchus Qing dynasty: The Manchus during it's height ruled China, Tibet, Mongolia, Xinjiang and parts of Central Asia, they could easily have enforced Manchurian language on it's subject but were not interested. They only cared about being a ruling elite in Qing and so linguistically/culturally adopted the language/culture of people they conquered

Tibetan empire: Ruled/influenced politically and military in parts of Central Asia, Western China and South Asia ( parts of Kashmir, Bangladesh) but were mostly more interested in spreading their Tibetan form of religions rather than their language and identity on other people.

Han dynasty and Tang dynasty, had military/political/territorial in Southern Mongolia, Manchuria, Central Asia to some extend even Afghanistan during their height but only cared about submission of states (mostly tributary and acknowledging Chinese emperor as their overlord) rather than colonizing and enforcing their culture, language to others but today People's Republic of China seems to be partially enforcing their language on non-Han Chinese children.

Other examples like Mughals, Persian, Berber (Moors). In Mughals case they spread only some Turkic words and islam and some genetics in South Asia. Moors also mostly islam and some genetics in Iberians. Persian empires also ruled much of West Asia to Arabia, Egypt, India/Pakistan but there's no Persian/Iranian official language in these regions today except for fact Kurdish and Tajiks are Iranic speaking but could be because they were iranic origin anyway.

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u/SoloeaDomoea — 10 days ago

Are Hindu Turks and African Turks more Turkic than any East Eurasian/West Eurasian groupings.

Afro Turks clearly look Black and partially black (25%, 50%, 75%) phenotype wise. Indian Turks or Hindu Turks look mostly Indians. I have 0% Turkic heritage but I resemble a mainstream Central Asian more than any of them, heck every East Eurasians/West Eurasians mix race like can too.

The way I see it. A Turkish would only accept these small populations Black as" converted Turks" and as for Indian Turks from india also only Turks in name not in race, throw out the Turk identity and they be mistaken for Indian tourists. In same black arabs are only considered converted arabs, not true original arabs. I'm almost half canarian islander, but a canarian said even someone who is mostly italian with some canarian is more canarian than me despite me being born there.

If being Turk means language/culture/identity and less with racial phenotypes and genetics. ( Why so much bias and bs contradictions? )

I see racial physical stereotypes from Turkish directed to Africans and Indians ( I have youtube comments as evidence) wouldn't that be offending Afro-Turks and Indian-Turks. And if these afro-Turks and Indian turks don't take offense, they are buffoons.

In Turkish language youtube channel of Turks claiming ancient Summerians, Berbers, Egyptians were all originally Turks or Proto-Turks ( I have youtube titles as evidence)......ok let's just say it's some nutcase minority, did the Turks who made these videos had their mind thinking proto-Turks look like modern Central Asians, East Asian looking Turks or Anatolian Turks? And digging out very old comments from 12+ years ago see tons of comments claiming Asian looking Turks are only because of Mongols or that any East Eurasian admixture because of Chinese, Mongols mixing in ancient times. That already reveals what you truly care most and what your intentions are. I know this is based only a minority but it makes me think you care way more about race than some identity.

But this not only exclusive to Turks

Some Europeans be claiming Scythians, Indo-Aryans invasion of India, Ancient Egyptians when these group are not related to them linguistically or culturally

Some Blacks and mixed blacks from the west claim Moors and Egyptians history when the people should North African Morrocans and Egyptians, they aren's muslim either.

Indians avoid claiming Romani/Gypsies when closest proxy to them are half South Asian/half European in same closest proxy for Dominicans (Spanish) 40% black, Ethopians (Afro-Asiatic) 42-56% Black in every genetic grouping

u/SoloeaDomoea — 11 days ago

Are the Afro-Turks and Indian-Turks more Turkic than every East Eurasian/West Eurasian groupings.

Afro Turks clearly look Black and partially black (25%, 50%, 75%) phenotype wise. Indian Turks or Hindu Turks look mostly Indians. I have 0% Turkic heritage but I resemble a mainstream Central Asian more than any of them, heck every East Eurasians/West Eurasians mix race grouping too.

The way I see it. A Turkish would only accept them as Black "converted Turks" and as for Indian Turks also only Turk in name but not in race, throw out the Turk identity and they be mistaken for Indian tourists. In same, black arabs are only considered converted arabs, not true original arabs. I'm almost half canarian islander, but a canarian said even someone who is mostly italian (with some canarian) is already more canarian than me.

If being Turk means language/culture/identity and less with racial phenotypes and genetics. ( Why so much bias and bs contradictions? )

I see racial physical stereotypes from Turkish directed to Africans and Indians ( I have youtube comments as evidence) wouldn't that be offending Afro-Turks and Indian-Turks. And if these afro-Turks and Indian turks don't take offense, they are buffoons.

In Turkish language youtube channel of Turks claiming ancient Summerians, Berbers, Egyptians were all originally Turks or Proto-Turks ( I have youtube titles as evidence)......ok let's just say it's some nutcase minority, did the Turks who made these video thinking those proto-Turks look like modern Central Asians, East Asian looking Turks or Anatolian Turks? And digging out very old comments from 12+ years ago see tons of comments claiming Asian looking Turks are only because of Mongols or that any East Eurasian admixture because of Chinese, Mongols mixing in ancient times. That already reveals what you truly care most and what your intentions are.

But this not only exclusive to Turks

Europeans be claiming Scythians, Indo-Aryans invasion of India, Ancient Egyptians when these group are not related to them linguistically or culturally

Blacks and mixed blacks from the west claim Moors and Egyptians history when the people should North African Morrocans and Egyptians, they aren's muslim either.

Indians avoid claiming Romani/Gypsies when closest proxy to them are half South Asian/half European in same closest proxy for Dominicans (Spanish) 40% black, Ethopians (Afro-Asiatic) 42-56% Black in every genetic grouping

u/SoloeaDomoea — 11 days ago

I'm 0% Turkic but is it possible identify with Turkic history or as Central Asian as a mix of Chinese/Canarian islander/Cuban?

I know this is going to sound awkward as hell but willing to give it a try to make people understand. Turkic people have a incredible history, I wish I was Turkic in a way (btw this is just for fun, don't treat it like very serious). I see myself a proxy-racially related to them kind of like Dominicans(Spanish) and Ethiopians(Arab) are mixed race blacks group into one genetic plot seperately from europeans and arabs, and this despite them having no linguistic and cultural relations.

I'm 50% Hong Kong (Chinese), 43.75% Canarian islander, 6.25% Cuban born in Canaria islands of North Africa.

My paternal. My male ancestry comes from Hong Kong, or even further China. Me and my 6 cousins are born from Hong Kong fathers (with ancestry from Taishan Guangdong) while our mother are all Canarian islanders

My maternal. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canary_Islanders

Canarian islanders, are a Spanish subgroup people born in North Africa (between Morroco and Western Sahara). The original indigenous people were Guanches (now extinct) were 100% North African related to modern nomadic muslim Berbers. Only modern Canarian people are partial descendants of Guanches being genetically 55-85% Southern European, 15-45% North African and 1.5-3% Sub-Saharan (some individual reaches even 6-9%) My maternal ancestry happened to be from La Gomera where North African ancestry is 40-45%,

I also have Cuban ancestry from my maternal, my grandmother and great grandmother was 1/4 Cuban and 1/2 Cuban who even alleged Chinese ancestry, historically 120,000+ or more like 120,000 Cantonese male coolies and 30,000 more Cantonese male migrants, they either married, intermixed with Cuban mostly mix race black females, black females and low class white females created 114,000 Chinese-Cubans mix race with only 300 pure Chinese since 2008. Some Cubans also migrated to Canaria, making Canaria islanders a bit more diverse genetically.

HOW I SEE MYSELF?

I used to identify as wasian, Chinese-Cuban, or even tried to identify as half morrocon but had the experienced of being confused as Uzbeks in Singapore (during the 2019 Singapore vs Uzbekistan) by Uzbeks and Chinese. Other times they just like to think I'm a muslim Asian/Caucasian mix or at times Asian mix of Asian and Armenian or Turkish and Asian.

Canarian people are warrior people, I used to be proud they defeated so many European invaders and they also took parts in Latin America conquest and Spanish empire conquest (as high ranking elite) but now I have very different opinions of these people. I realize is time to wake up, seeing how my mother mistaken as Moroccan muslim despite being a devoted christians, had enraged me at times. It made me not EVER want to identify as Spanish. Canarian islander are very confused and protective of their identity, some identify Spanish, others not and embraced their berber/Amazigh roots. However some hate Morrocans due to migration and some hate Spanish, due being treated like 2nd class citizen and also being facially way more diverse than Spanish.

Basically all the problem comes down to me 50% East Asian.... I'm not Canarian islander only because of that. I'm not even treated as of them, I tried identify as Chinese-Cuban, but I'm not even born in Cuba and I'm basically only 1/16 (6.25%) from my mother 1/8 (12.5%) and grandmother 1/4 (25%) and 1/2 (50%). I tried to idetnify as Wasian but how can I when my mother is treated as a Morrocan muslim, a non-european people. That be a insult to identify as european. Chinese people they really think I'm Uzbekistan, another from China even said if I amy had came from Xinjiang though he wasn't clear. And btw I also have families in my HK side, like auntie she identify as Hong Konger instead of Chinese while my uncle identify as Chinese. It's crazy.

u/SoloeaDomoea — 12 days ago
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Does one need to travel to Mongolia to understand how Mongolians look like?

Isn't walk tour videos reliable enough to understand average Mongolian face. A Mongolian told me I need to travel to Mongolia or else I would never know.

" FACES OF ULAANBAATAR (MONGOLIA) " (why can't I trust this video?)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6Q66aTJeH4&t=2s

After analyzing more than 10+ walk tours video of Mongolia. I just see Mongolians faces as looking like the Buryats, Tuvans, Yakuts and more broadly (in general way) with Chinese, Japanese, Koreans and the only connection with Central Asian (physically) are with Kazakh, Kyrgyz, Karakalpak's. Anything different are either other ethnic or extreme outliers.

I've seen walk tours of Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Xinjiang (Uyghurs-East Turkistan). The Turkmen, Uyghurs, Uzbek look very diverse. Their faces look western on average but 22% of Turkmens and 35% of Uzbekistan Uzbeks population can also look East Asian/or significant East Asian. For Uyghurs I say around 55% East Asian/and significant East Asian, 45% look Caucasian/and significant Caucasian.

Am I incorrect or wrong? Do I still need to travel to Mongolia?

If a Mongolian tells me to travel to Mongolia to learn how they look like... is it because he is being honest or is he trying to confuse me? Like for example with a Pakistani person I talked to ( to me the majority clearly look Indian) but ask a native from Pakistani and he will tell you "There's really no such thing as Pakistani look, come to Pakistan and see for yourself!!! Some look European, some look North Indian, some look Arabs, some look Iranians"

Here's what average Pakistani/or mainstream Pakistani look like

https://i.ibb.co/JwzQC8z3/871892-84415-lzuaoswinp-1520944800-2.jpg

Yet this is what Pakistani show us every time. Pakistani that look like these are clearly only a minority of their population yet it's 9 out 10 in their mainstream media including majority of the time of pictures they like to post to me and other foreigners.

https://i.ibb.co/FqsyL0qj/MTky-Nzk0-MTI0-Mz-M4-ODY1-ODcy.png

u/SoloeaDomoea — 20 days ago

Is Mongolian president Tsakhiagiin Elbegdor of mixed origin

This is just out of curiosity. The right picture seems typical majority of Mongolian president look like classical Mongolian non-mixed Mongols.

But why does Elbergdor look like a relative of North Korean leader kim john ung and his father Kim Jong II, he can even broadly look like a local Hong Kong dude that is butchering and selling pork in a meat market. His double eyelid and snubby nose is a more typical trait of Southern Chinese on average. Even Chinese and Korean also look very different yet both were under Mongolian rule... so maybe there's a connection? Surely there's going to be a few mix individual. If there's evidence of mixed ancestry in his family than it makes sense. I'm just asking because I'm generally good at distinguishing the difference between different ethnicities.

( A little of my background for anyone interested

I'm mix also of (50%) Hong Kong-Chinese, 43.75% Canarian islander 6.25% Cuban. I have six cousins all born from Hong Kong fathers/uncles and Canarian islander mothers. We are born in North Africa territory of Canaria islands. I got confused as Uzbeks 5 times in a single day in Singapore during a world cup qualification game in 2019 in Singapore betwee Uzbekistan and Singapore. Like people literally think I'm from Uzbekistan... Uzbeks spoke to me in Uzbek and Chinese kept treating me like a Uzbek (but this kinds of make sense aswell right?) Average Uzbeks are like a mix of Mongolian and Caucasians And I'm broadly a mix of HK Chinese and Caucasian. My Caucasian side is from Canarian islanders, who are a mixture of European, North Africans. Some of the maternal side of my family get mistaken for Moroccan muslims despite being devoted European catholic. And I checked Uzbeks are around 34-57% East Asian-like and 43-60% Caucasian like and I'm broadly 50% East Asian-like and 50% Caucasian like. Although my Cuban great grandmother looks like a white women with curly hair and thick lips who even tries to speculate she has tiny Chinese ancestry. Historically 120,000 males Chinese coolies from Taishan/Hong Kong including married with White Cuban females and mostly Black females and mix race Black females this would continue with another 30,000 Chinese males intermixing with Cuban females. So this is why there is 114,000 Cubans with partial Chinese ancestry with only 300 pure Chinese left. Around 1.6% of Cubans population have Chinese paternal ancestry, same in Jamaica, 3.8% of Jamaicans have Chinese paternal due to marrying Jamaican females**.**

u/SoloeaDomoea — 27 days ago

Is y-dna N-M231 of Central Asian origin, Turkic origin or Siberian origin or Chinese origin?

Is N-M231 Chinese or Siberian origin? I'm just curious and want to know anyway. Why does it say it's South China origin, but also so common in those Mongolian looking Siberians and also common in some Europeans and is found even in Middle east?

Graph 1: Shows Y-dna N being East Eurasian/East Asian colored in Dark blue (East) for Y and mtDNA.

Graph 2: Shows it's origins from South China than expanded to Siberia than to Europe

Graph 3: Shows it's frequencies of N in world

Graph 4: Show all Europeans and Uralic people have substantial Nganasan East Asian DNA

Graph 5: Shows genetics of Canarian islanders

( Ignore this part if you have no interest)

FOR THOSE WHO WANTS TO KNOW MORE ABOUT ME?

Before that, I need to tell a bit about my backgrounds and how I got my genetic results. Because I didn't do the genetic result and got it from my cousins. I feel like it wouldn't make much difference whether I waste money to do my own DNA result or not.

How I got my results

y-haplogroup: N

mtDNA-haplogroup: L

I got 7 cousins, 4 uncles, 2 auntie. I got my Y-DNA from one of my cousin who is paternally related to me (my uncle) and another cousin who is 0% Chinese but still maternally related to me (my auntie, but she is not married to one of my HK Chinese uncle)

My Hong Kong (Chinese side) 50%

My father and 4 uncles and step uncles are all Hong Kong born of Han Chinese but ultimately from the region of Taishan Guangdong, they all married local Canarian women. Some live in Canaria islands others had live in Venezuela and lost contact. I also have uncle HK born auntie living in Canarian islands. My cousin y paternal is haplogroup N and mtDNA U6. That means I have haplogroup N paternally. Most Chinese have haplogroup O

My Canarian (Spanish side) 43.75%

My Half HK Chinese cousins and me are basically all born from 100% local Canarian mother, except for me, I happen to have a 88.5% Canarian mother who also has minor 12.5% part Cuban ancestry. I got a cousin who is 0% Chinese but her mother is (my auntie) still a full blood sister of my mother with same Cuban maternal grandparents and ancestor. His haplogroup is mtDNA L, that means I also have haplogroup L but ultimately from Cuban. Most Canarian people have mtDNA U.

My Cuban side is 6.25%. I'm only 6.25% Cuban but ultimately my mtDNA L comes from them. Both my mother and my auntie are 12.5% Cubans but grandmother is 25% Cuban, great grandmother 50% Cuban, and great-great grandmother who we never met was 100% Cuban born in Cuba. My grandmother even said she may even have a little Chinese ancestry (speculations on her own part) because is true 120,000 Chinese male coolies in Cuba during 19th-20th century and many intermixed, some married mostly with Black females and mix race black females and some lower class white females. There is official census of 114,000 Cubans with Chinese ancestry with only 300 pure Chinese in 2008, and a y-dna shows 1.6% out of 11 million of Cubans have haplogroup O (typical of Chinese) other studies even include less than 1% of haplogroup N ( which is also in Cubans) this is all originated from Taishan Guangdong males.

WHAT IS MY GENETICS AND ORIGIN?

For my maternal side mtDNA L Canarian/Cuban

I can pretty much guess mtDNA L is African origin. Even though mine is from Cuba probably from a black female ancestor or mix race black female ancestor, but it could also be a West Eurasian female with mtDNA L because is 10% in some Canarian islands. So it doesn't surprise me that it came from Local Canarian haplogroup maternal ancestry. I'm completely sure either though. mtDNA L is very common in Cubans

My Canarian maternal ancestors are both Canarian islands from La Gomera and Cuban but live in Gran Canaria. The Canarians people from La Gomera are basically 65.8% European, 31% North African, 3.2% Sub-Saharan. Only a tiny bit different to average Canarian. and I may have even higher sub-saharan being this I also have Cuban ancestry however I look 0% Black/Sub-Saharan and so does all my family members. My auntie she looks more European sometimes not, my mother gets mistaken for Morrocan muslim even though she is a devoted Christians. A lot of Canarian identify as Canarian instead of Spanish and some only as Canarian and even there are those who identify with the Amazigh Berber roots.

From my paternal side ydna N Chinese/Hong Kong

I don't understand this one the most. It claims to be South Chinese origin but in the Han Chinese only 6% although I see frequencies reaching 9.5% in some part of Guangdong and some part of Southern China. Most Chinese clearly haplogroup O but it also says N originated in South China.

It's however 97-100% in Ngannasans a extreme Asian looking people, also in the Yakuts, Siberian Tatars that look Asian as heck, also high in the Nenets, Selkups, Khanty, Mansi, mixed but also quite Asian.

It surprised me is how high it is in populations where the population doesn't generally look Asians. Some uralic groups. North European Fins, Latvians, Estonians, North Russians is also found in Turkey, Iran, Middle east

How I look

I got confused as Uzbek in Singapore during the Singapore vs Uzbekistan 2019 world cup qualification match. Other times as half muslim Malaysian half white or sometimes half Chinese half white (but the Italian or Greek type, never Germans, or British)

u/SoloeaDomoea — 1 month ago

How Chinese is a 50% Hong Konger and 43.75% Canarian islander, 6.25% Cuban?

My birthplace and ancestry

I was born in Canaria islands, a Spanish colony in North Africa, which is next to Morocco and Western Sahara.

My Hong Kong side. I'm 50%, On my father side is pure Chinese migrant from Hong Kong. He and his 4 brothers and step-brothers (my uncles) all married local women and have restaurants of their own. Some live in Canaria islands and other live in Venezuela. However they consider themselves more Hong Konger than Chinese.

My Canarian (Spanish side) would be 43.75% on my mother side, because she is basically Canarian islander women with 1/8 Cuban ancestry while all my cousins are all born from local female Canarian islanders. Canarian islanders are basically Spanish sub-group (some claim ethnic group) people living in Canaria islands. But unlike the people in mainland Spain. The people are basically a mixture of Southern Spanish-European and Indigenous Guanches-North African related to nomadic muslim Berber people with additional low degree of black admixture. Historically considered second class citizens by some Spanish, around 37% consider themselves more Canarian than Spanish and 6.1% consider themselves strictly Canarian.

My Cuban side (confusing). I be 6.25% Cuban from my mother who is 12.5% Cuban and my grandmother was 1/4 Cuban and my great-grand mother was 1/2 Cuban (my great great Grandmother was a pure women born in Cuba). She emphasizes her Cuban heritage a lot to me. My grandmother told me she may even have tiny bit of Chinese ancestry from Chinese ancestor back in 1850's that she doesn't know (pure speculation). Back than 120,000 Chinese males married or intermixed with Cuban females be it white females and mostly black females and mix race black females. Resulting in 100,000+ of Cubans with Partial Chinese ancestry but even if there is tiny bit Chinese ancestry, she looks like a white like women with curly hair and thick lips, can pass for a exotic white female of some sort so I doubt there is any Chinese ancestry from her. Most Cuban females are either white looking or look like Black and Mix race black/white in various degrees

My experience:

Despite having Chinese paternal line and Chinese surname from Hong Kong. My facial features sometimes looking ambiguous, sometimes mix race. And when do get confused for mix race. In Singapore I got confused as 1) a Uzbeks from Uzbekistan 2) half Asian muslims and half caucasian muslim, that being a muslim half Malays half White European, or half Malaysians half Caucasian muslim but also sometimes Half Han Chinese and half Europeans whites from Italy or Spain, Greek and other light haired europeans countries. And in one rare instance like a Turkish person completely.

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u/SoloeaDomoea — 2 months ago

Can someone who is 50% Chinese/HK and 43.25% Canarian islander and 6.25% Cuban fit in with Central Asian profile or than Wasian?

My birthplace and ancestry

I was born in Canaria islands, a Spanish colony in North Africa, which is next to Morroco and Western Sahara.

My Chinese side. I'm 50%, On my father side is pure Chinese migrant from Hong Kong. He and his 4 brothers and step-brothers (my uncles) all married local women and have restaurants of their own.

My Canarian (Spanish side) would be 43.75% on my mother side, because she is basically Canarian islander women with 1/8 Cuban ancestry while all my cousins are all born from local female Canarian islanders. Canarian islanders are basically Spanish sub-group (some claim ethnic group) people living in Canaria islands. But unlike the people in mainland Spain. The people are basically a mixture of Southern Spanish-European and Indigenous Guanches-North African related to nomadic muslim Berber people with additional low degree of black admixture.

My Cuban side (confusing). I be 6.25% Cuban from my mother who is 12.5% Cuban and my grandmother was 1/4 Cuban and my great-grand mother was 1/2 Cuban (my great great Grandmother was a pure women born in Cuba). She emphasizes her Cuban heritage a lot to me. My grandmother told me she may even have tiny bit of Chinese ancestry from Chinese ancestor back in 1850's. Back than 120,000 Chinese males married or intermixed with Cuban females be it white females and mostly black females and mix race black females. Resulting in 100,000+ of Cubans with Partial Chinese ancestry but even if there is tiny bit Chinese ancestry . She looks like a white like women with curly hair and thick lips, can pass for a exotic white female of some sort so I doubt there is any from her. Most Cuban females are either white looking or look like Black and Mix race black females

I don't consider myself Wasian or Central Asian.

It was in 2019, I was in Singapore for months, in one single day of Singapore vs Uzbekistan football games (2022 World cup qualifications) I got mistaken for Uzbek many times. I only watched it for the sake of watching a football game. I was in the bar or a restaurant like bar with mostly Chinese, some Malays, Indian, few Europeans, Arabs and and small group of Uzbeks. One Uzbek came up to me and spoke in it's Uzbek or Russian language (sorry, I just don't know the difference), but I ignored it. A Singaporean also came up to me talking about how the Uzbekistan football team is much better and strong. I than spoke to him in Chinese, and he was surprised asking if I am Uzbek who learned Chinese or Half Chinese/Half White. I told him I'm neither of them. A Singaporean can also know your local or not just by your accent.

Me and my cousins are basically the same except I have a additional Cuban ancestry. I will say I look racially ambiguous to sometimes more Asian features and sometimes with seldom Asian features. I got confused for Turkish, half Malaysian(muslim), half white or half Chinese, half white, or even for Uzbeks in Singapore. I used to think I consider myself Wasian but than my ancestry seem way too exotic for Wasians. I don't have light features of Wasians. I had to explain and let people decide.

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u/SoloeaDomoea — 2 months ago