Psychedelic therapy may not work as i expected for me?

So, yeah, i know what some peoples might say: it's not magical, you need to do integration ect. I did it. At least i tried. I have BPD, ocd, dystimia, and sometimes MDD episodes.

I begun to do psychedelics 2 years ago. At first, it helped me, i felt much better. I stopped antidepressants because i felt like it was not working on me. I tried a lot of them. At the time, i was obsessed with someone who cutted ties with me, and it was my priority to get ride of this obsession.

Shrooms definitely helped me to get ride of the urge to contact them. It gave me a lot of usefull insights. My depression got better for a year. I continued the "DIY" psychedelic therapy, yes DIY, cause i'm in france. But i tried to be as close as possible from the protocole, talked about my experience and insight to a therapist, integrate them ect. It has gone well for 1 year.

But today, i had a lot of insights, but my depression and ocd got worst... I'm really tired and all, i'm thinking of taking SSRIS again. Maybe it helped me for a time but not anymore ?

Maybe i did something wrong despite the fact that i did my best to do it correctly? or maybe it didn't helped the way i expected like... my issue is more complex than i though and it needs more time, more integration and more sessions, because thanks to psychedelics, i discovered my ocd and a lot of things, maybe that's why my state seems worst for know, because it unveiled some issues i couldn't see, i don't know...

Also, i never experienced an ego death, because i'm too afraid of "going insane" because of my OCD...maybe it's also the problem ? I can't let go? I don't know... I tried, lsd, mescaline and psylocibin. Maybe i need to combine psychedelics AND SSRIS? (Already tried, ssris didn't reduced the effects. I'm aware of the serotonin syndrom...)

I'm aware some random redditors can't give medical advices, but i would like to know your experience, if it already happened to anyone. Of cours, in the end i'll ask my doctor before making a decision...

But as my doctor don't know a lot about psychedelic therapy because i'm in france, i'm just asking for your experience.

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u/SomeCelebration4619 — 7 days ago

Quelqu'un m'a fait du mal et j'ai fait encore plus de mal s'en m'en rendre compte

C'est déjà arrivé à quelqu'un dans un lieu ou on bosse à plusieurs, dans un groupe d'amis?

Genre, une personne commence a avoir un mauvais comportement, parle mal dans le dos des gens, et au lieu d'aller lui parler vous le dites aux gens sur lesquelles la personne parle mal, et ça dégénère en harcèlement sans que vous vous en rendiez compte avec la dynamique de groupe car vous parlez, parlez de cette personne, du mal qu'elle a fait entre vous, et qu'elle continue de faire, vous guettez et commentez ses moindres faux pas tout les jours, vous êtes en hypervigilance et elle le reconnaît même pas, et pire, elle vous gaslight, et vous faites encore pire qu'elle au final en pensant essayer de trouver une solution...

Ça sonne drama de collégiens ou lycéen mais bon...

C'est déjà arrivé à quelqu'un ?

Comment vivre avec ça après surtout quand on a vécu sois même du harcèlement avant dans son enfance donc on sais ce que c'est ?

Je ne cherche pas à me justifier ni a trouver d'excuses, rien n'excuse le harcèlement, même si la personne a fait du mal avant, mais j'ai encore du mal a réaliser comment on a pu en arriver la sans s'en rendre compte, ou du moins trop tard...

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u/SomeCelebration4619 — 8 days ago

How to recover from anhedonia caused by too much NAC ?

Hello ! First, i'm french so sorry for my weird english. Also it will be a long post sorry...

So as i said in a previous post, i reacted badly to NAC, and it's partly my fault because i was misinformed.

I took to much and for too long.

Before taking NAC, i already had dystimia, OCD and BPD. But it was stabilised, very manageable.

I first tried NAC 4 month ago, at 600mg, for 1 month, with no issues. So i tried to increase to 1200mg for 2 weeks, then 1800, and finaly 2400mg. I continued that dose for 2 weeks, and i suddenly had a big emotional crash.

OCD got worst, more intrusive thoughts, more impulse phobia, more thought loop ect, around very dark themes.

My depression got worst, i constantly want to cry without managing it. I can't almost do anything, i have to force myself to go to work, do the dishes, ect.

I have dark thoughts, but i feel like they are not mine. I feel like there is "something wrong in my brain" , like it's not normal, it's chemical, it's not like me, because there is no externale causes, i don't know if i make sens haha... But i feel like it's mainly biological, a chemical imbalence you see...

I know that nac can cause anhedonia and regulate glutamate so much that it can affect dopamine, even serotonine. It's also a chelator, but we only observed it in vitro...

I feel weak, no energy, very tired physicaly and mentally. I feel dizzy, brain fog ect.

I procrastinate a lot more than before, and my screen addiction got worst, despite having installed an app blocker with strict mode activated.

Some peoples in another sub told me it could be copper deficiency, since i also take zinc 15mg for acne long terme. Never had any issue with zinc long terme but maybe it's the accumulation of both zinc and NAC. I plan to check my copper level soon.

I stopped zinc.

I had a blood check yesterday, i checked my iron, i have a very small deficiency so it can't be the only explaination.

I have not checked my copper yet, since when i saw my doctor i forgot to ask for it on my prescription

I stopped NAC more than two weeks ago, i felt better for a few days and then it got even worst.

So it's been more than two weeks that i'm like this.

I stopped ashwagandha 3 days ago since it could also not help my case. I checked my thyroïde just in case, it's correct.

I begun to supplement with iron a few days ago.

I talked to my doctor about it, she doesn't seems to know about NAC, i'm in France so we are a little late with certain things haha...

I plan to see my psychiatrist. Although i don't know what he could do, i'm resistant to antidepressants, and it's not the right move to try to mess more with my glutamate with another mood stabilisator lol... He don't really know NAC either, unless as a mucolytic.

What can i do to help me recover fast?

Some recomanded me glycine. Is there other things? Or i just have to be patient and rest? I must say, i know i'm spiraling, but my mental state is scaring me, i'm afraid that i'll be like this for a long time...

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u/SomeCelebration4619 — 1 month ago

Iron deficiency after taking NAC?

Hi, so i already posted about the issue, but it doesn't get better.

So i was taking NAC for OCD, but despite being informed, it seems like i wasn't informed ENOUGH and not well.

I feel stupid, but anyway...

I took NAC for 4 month, begun from 600mg and slowly incrased to 2400 mg, wich was too much apparently.

After some times, my depression and OCD got worst. So i stopped, and i've learnt that nac can chelate minerals.

I went to the doctor but it seems like she didn't knew much about nac. she prescribed me a blood test, i'll get it done tomorrow morning.

But i feel miserable, weak, depressed, wanna cry for no reason, i'm slow, my head is spinning and sometimes i get anormaly thirsty. i get a strange sensation of cold around my eyes. Don't know how to describe it...

At first i though it might be iron, but now i'm starting to think it might be copper or others minerals? I'm also taking zinc 15mg for a very long time, for acne, never had issues but maybe i should stop since it can cause problems with copper?

My blood test prescription doesn't include copper or other minerals, only iron and thyroid which might be usefull as well because i also take ashwagandha.

Should i stop it too?

I know you are not doctors, but I'm really worried i messed up my body and brain with supplements, i'm lost i really need help... i wanna feel normal again it's been two weeks...

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u/SomeCelebration4619 — 2 months ago

Is Dragon herbs polygala extract "Willpower" legit?

Hi! So as mentioned in a previous post, i'm in europe (france) and i'm looking for a polygala extract that is serious and effective on my mood. I emailed Dragon herbs, they said that the polygala in this mix is 30%, and is a 10:1 extract. What do you think ?

u/SomeCelebration4619 — 2 months ago

Shipping polygala in france?

Hi! so as the title says, do you think that ND can ship polygala in france without custom fees/problems, since it seems that polygala is regulated in europe?

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u/SomeCelebration4619 — 2 months ago
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I need advices for my stack

So, some of you probably saw my previous post about my "nac problems", ect. Obviously, i don't only rely only on supplments for my mental health, it's only a little plus for me.

So after some research, i decided to take a break and after that, take 600mg of nac, and pause it for one month after 3 month, and so on. Maybe try 1200mg if needed. But i'll always take a break to avoid anheonia.

So far, my stack for depression, OCD and mood regulation has always been: Saffron from affron, Rhodiola rosea and ashwagandha ( both cycled), omega 3, Zinc, D3/K2, B9 and B12, creatine. Nac is obviously paused.

I tried Lion's mane, but after some times, i finally understood: you need money to have GOOD lion's mane that REALLY boost the NGF/BNDF lol. So i gave up on lion's mane, and i wanted to try polygala, buuut i'm in france and it's really difficult to find. The only site i can find is sketchy:

swissherbal.eu

... too bad, cause with polygala, i could drope saffron, it could have covered NGF/BNDF, serotonine and dopamine, i could have saved more money. Also, i heard about Agmatine, but it's the same problem.

Sooo, i made more research and i found that i can improve my stack with ALCAR, Uridine and bacopa OR Gotu kola, to have some BNDF and NGF stimulation, more energy and motivation, and "brain reparation" for depression. But it's too big of a stack for me.

Also, i wonder if ALCAR could have similare side effects to NAC, since it have "Acetyl" in it's name? I saw a post about NAC and ALCAR causing Choline depression.

So, do you have some advices please on how to improve and optimise my stack? Also, should i choose Gotu kola or bacopa?

And of cours, i won't change my stack RIGHT NOW, i'm still waiting to get better after what happened with NAC. I am just gathering some informations.

u/SomeCelebration4619 — 2 months ago

Can i get good Yuang Zhi (polygala) extract in europe?

So i'm from france, and all i can find in iherb is the Dragon Herbs "Will power" thing, and i don't trust them, because it's mixed with other herbs and we can't see how much polygala there is in the caps. So if anyone knows where i can find a good polygala extract in europe without any issues with customs...

Edit: i'm looking for a 20:1 extract

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u/SomeCelebration4619 — 2 months ago

Is it a NAC side effect ?

Hello,

So i've been taking nac for 5 months, i have bpd, depression and ocd. I'm resistant to antidepressant. I started from 600mg and slowly incrased. It's been 1 month since i incrased up to 2400mg. Since then, nothing happened, and then 3 weeks later, i brutaly had a mental crash. My depression got worst, my ocd got worst and my phone addiction got worst. I got really tired and felt miserable. I decreased the dose back to 1800mg, i felt a little better for 1 week but then it was back again. I don't really know if it's related to NAC but i stopped today and i'll see if it get better.

I already had something similar in the past but it was with a really bad NAC, not good quality at all, oxyded and all. And it was almost instantly. It got really better when i stopped.

Has anyone experimented something like this with NAC ? I don't see any similare side effect in the scientific litterature. All i see is about anhedonia.

Maybe it's not related to NAC and it's "just" my mental health. And i know, i have to see my psychiatrist, but i just wanted to ask if anyone already experimented something similar or if anyone know something about it.

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u/SomeCelebration4619 — 2 months ago

Nac side effect ?

Hello,

So i've been taking nac for 5 months, i have bpd, depression and ocd. I'm resistant to antidepressant. I started from 600mg and slowly incrased. It's been 1 month since i incrased up to 2400mg. Since then, nothing happened, and then 3 weeks later, i brutaly had a mental crash. My depression got worst, my ocd got worst and my phone addiction got worst. I got really tired and felt miserable. I decreased the dose back to 1800mg, i felt a little better for 1 week but then it was back again.

I don't really know if it's related to NAC but i stopped today and i'll see if it get better.

I already had something similar in the past but it was with a really bad NAC, not good quality at all, oxyded and all. And it was almost instantly. It got really better when i stopped.

Has anyone experimented something like this with NAC ? I don't see any similare side effect in the scientific litterature. All i see is about anhedonia.

Maybe it's not related to NAC and it's "just" my mental health. And i know, i have to see my psychiatrist, but i just wanted to ask if anyone already experimented something similar or if anyone know something about it.

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u/SomeCelebration4619 — 2 months ago

Polygala extract in Europe ?

Hi! I want to try polygala to "replace" lion's mane, but i don't seem to find it in europe(France). I don't know if it's legal in Europe, but if someone know if i can have it in europe... Thanks!

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u/SomeCelebration4619 — 2 months ago

Polygala extract in Europe ?

Hi! I want to try polygala to "replace" lion's mane, but i don't seem to find it in europe(France). I don't know if it's legal in Europe, but if someone know if i can have it in europe... Thanks!

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u/SomeCelebration4619 — 2 months ago

How to block gemini? Any advices?

Hi, i'm trying to cure my phone addiction and block gemini in appblock. (I have ocd and i keep asking reassurance to IA, i can't escape IAs they are every where 💀) But it doesn't work unless i block google entirely. (Gemini is native in my phone with Google) Wich is impossible because i need it for school. I deactivated it in the settings but it's very easy to reactivate it in play store. I can't block play store either. I have a Xiaomi mi UI note 14. Do you know a way? Also, i suppose it's impossible to block meta IA on WhatsApp either...?

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u/SomeCelebration4619 — 2 months ago

Blocking gemini

Hi, i'm trying to cure my phone addiction and block gemini in appblock. But it doesn't work unless i block google entirely. Wich is impossible because i need it for school. I deactivated it in the settings but it's very easy to reactivate it in play store. I can't block play store either. I have a Xiaomi mi UI note 14. Do you know a way? Also, i suppose it's impossible to block meta IA on WhatsApp either...?

Edit: problem solved for now : i can block gemini in an app called "Stay focused" and i "sabotaged" meta IA. I asked it to not answer me anymore ever, because of my phone addiction and all. Now each time i ask something it tells me to seek professionnal help lol, thanks i'm already doing it haha

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u/SomeCelebration4619 — 2 months ago
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Looking for a brand not too expensive with Erinacine

Hi, so I'm in europe and i've been taking Lions mane from Vegavero from some times, but with no effect. So i've been reading more about lions mane, and apparently, dual extraction is the best and if i'm looking for better focus and good NGF factor, i should look for a supplement with enough Erinacine... someone recommanded me Real Mushrooms, but we don't know how much erinacine are in the caps... I've heard about Oriveda and Erinamax, but it's too expensive for me... is there a brand that is cheaper and is similare? or it's impossible?

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u/SomeCelebration4619 — 2 months ago

Bonjour, je ne sais pas trop ou poster cela, désolé si c'est hors sujet... J'aimerais savoir si j'ai le droit à la prime d'activité en étant en service civique. Je sais qu'il suffit de faire une recherche google et que le premier resultat est "non", mais j'ai trouvé à coté des infos contradictoires, et on m'a parlé d'une circulaire un peut sombre qui sème la confusion et serais sorti en 2019, la C 2019-010, mais j'ai un doute si elle existe vraiment. Elle est sensé dire en gros que oui, les revenus du service civique sont une indemnité donc techniquement pas de prime d'activité, mais ce qu'on fait au service civique est une activité. La caf ne dépendant pas du code de la caf mais de la sécurité sociale, elle considèrerais qu'on fait une activité donc on peut avoir droit à la prime seuil, malgré la neutralisation des ressources et le montant net social de 0. Cela semble être totalement faux, surtout qu'il n'y a aucune trace de cette circulaire sur le web, mais j'aimerais avoir une confirmation. Donc si des personnes travaillent à la caf ou connaissent les circulaires de la caf... Je suis preneur.

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u/SomeCelebration4619 — 2 months ago