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Which undertone direction should I go in?

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I’m so sorry ik you all are going to get sick of me. But you have been so helpful! I’ve learned a bit about how to place and photograph swatches so I’m back with my four inexpensive foundations to try and figure out some criteria of what to look for shade and undertone wise. All four of these are so different yet most somehow work once blended out, leaving me completely confused! Don’t be fooled by my sneaky surface redness. I have significant rosacea on my face but also a little my chest, I want to match my foundation to my least red areas!

  1. AOA Luminous Skin Veil in L2. Very light and neutral. A little too light?
  2. A2O Labs Foundation in L1. Quite Olive/gray toned. My best match?
  3. Wet n Wild Tinted Hydrator in Fair. Similar to one but more pink/peach. Also a good match.
  4. Wet n Wild Tinted Hydrator in Fair Medium. Too dark and orange.

So other than that I need something fair to light and not orange, what can I learn from this? Currently my cart has primarily cool yellow and neutral shades -
About Face The Performer in F2O, L2N, L1N
Revolution Skin Silk in F5, F6.7NC, F6.2NC, F2.5NC
Glossier Stretch Fluid Foundation in VL3

I’d like to try Haus labs 030, 040 and 050 (maybe even 110) as well as Fenty 125, 130, 140, 150 but I’m a cheap makeup girl and the price tag is giving me major pause. If I can swatch them in person at my local Sephora I will but ideally I’d like something under $30.

u/SubstantialSoup8719 — 3 days ago
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Professional in store color matching…

So yesterday I stopped in at my local luxury makeup store. It’s a spa/salon and retail combo, and I had the MUA there color match me. She chose RMS SPF skin tint in ivory (nearest chin) and MAC N12 (middle). Near my ear is Wet n Wild tinted hydrator in light medium. Both photos are in the same indirect natural light a couple seconds apart, my skin just photographs weird.

Am I tripping or are these terrible matches? I thought I’d have better luck at an independent boutique than ulta/sephora and I even specified that I wanted to match my neck and have trouble with foundations always being too orange 🫠
Next idea is to swatch myself at Ulta.

u/SubstantialSoup8719 — 5 days ago

More swatches - Lisa Eldridge samples

I’m back! I sent photos (last slide) to Lisa Eldridge requesting shade samples. First photo is skin tints, second is foundation (idk why I look so yellow in the second photo. Same lighting and everything). They said foundation N5 might be perfect but was out of stock so they sent 4/6/7 instead. I’d love to hear your thoughts! Still waiting to get into a store and be matched in person.

u/SubstantialSoup8719 — 11 days ago
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Neither of these are right but I don’t know why

I’m completely inexperienced with choosing foundation and have had a great deal of difficulty identifying my undertone (I’ve gotten warm and olive but more often neutral). In the past I always grabbed the fairest shade at the drugstore and called it a day, it was probably too light and also cool toned since due to my surface redness I was always told I was cool.

These are not popular foundation swatches but what I have - on the right, AOA luminous skin veil in L2 and on the left A20 Lab soft matte foundation in L1

Neither has a tone description on the website but when looking for a better match can you explain what direction I should go in from here? Warmer, darker, more neutral, more peach etc.

u/SubstantialSoup8719 — 22 days ago
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Comebacks for girl dads

Help us out please - my husband and I have 5 daughters. He has two older girls (21 and 19) and we have three together (9, 7, and 1). Just like any family with kids all of one gender we constantly get gross comments (of course because we have girls, he is the one who gets the most).

Everything from “when are you going to stop trying for a boy?” to “all girls? Oh no, dads need boys!” to “that’s a lot of estrogen you sure are outnumbered!”

It can be great fun when we are out with just some of them and people say something about “oh, wow, three girls” and we say “five actually” and their eyes bug out lol. But if they choose to follow it with something that suggests girls are more difficult or less desirable for dads or that we only have 5 because we wanted another gender, I think it’s really problematic for our kids to overhear. Adults say things like that even with the children right there.
My husband is extremely shy and non-confrontational. What are some sarcastic or seemingly polite but humbling responses he could keep in his back pocket that would show the girls how much he loves and values being a “girl dad” while putting these folks in their place?

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u/SubstantialSoup8719 — 22 days ago

Undertone ID, help!

Hey all! I’m new to trying to actually find the correct makeup for me instead of picking the nearest drugstore options willy nilly. I think I always assumed I was cool toned because of the surface redness in my face but it’s becoming pretty clear I’m not - I’m thinking neutral leaning warm?

That said, bronzer looks so stupid on me and most makeup pulls rather orange. I’ve requested foundation samples from Lisa Eldridge and they are sending me T2, T3 and T4 to try, all neutral shades.

Photos are, in order: outdoors on a cloudy day (one and two), and indoors with warm white 2700k LEDs. I did my best to lock the white balance and match the photo appearance to how things looked IRL!

u/SubstantialSoup8719 — 22 days ago

I have the drapes!

I’m supposed to be packing our family of five for a two week trip across country but I’m digging through my towels and my kids laundry for color drapes 😂

You guys are great and I’m slowly coming to terms with the fact that many colors I thought were my worst are in fact my best; and my favorite colors are my worst. This might end up being a fun experiment once I wrap my head around it!! I’m dying at my face in the Kelly green 💀💀💀 I didn’t even realize I looked horrified until I went back through the photos.

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u/SubstantialSoup8719 — 1 month ago

Ok FINE

I hear you loud and clear (hehe just like true spring colors 🥲) lmao. Literally the only Spring color I have access to and it’s not even mine 😂
Thoughts? (I know what you all will say. I think)
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u/SubstantialSoup8719 — 1 month ago

Cool? Neutral? Olive? Muted? Help 😭

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Hey all! I’m looking forward to an IRL color analysis in the fall but in the mean time I’d be so curious to hear your thoughts! I’m a color person with a degree in fiber arts and yet when it comes to assessing the overtones and undertones in skin I’m incredibly useless.

I think I might have an olive overtone as my skin is a bit of a chameleon (all the attached photos were taken in natural light at a window on an overcast day around noon). I’ve always had quite a lot of redness in my skin but am very pale. I look quite yellow in many lights but look terrible in really warm colors. Makeup tends to pull orange on me and yet I find that makeup that is slightly cool OR slightly warm is good as long as it’s not too high contrast (eg bold lips or eyes in any color overwhelm me and look ridiculous). My natural hair color in adulthood is a very gray/ashy brown (I’ve got a plum gloss on it currently), in early childhood it was white blonde. I’d love to hear what you all think!

u/SubstantialSoup8719 — 1 month ago

Cool olive?

Hey everyone! I’m looking forward to an IRL color analysis in the fall but in the mean time I’d be so curious to hear your thoughts about an olive complexion. Photos are taken in natural light (by a window) around mid day. Also included a quite old photo just for variety. I definitely experience that “chameleon” quality where although makeup tends to pull orange on me I feel like I can pull off both warm and cool colors in my makeup especially. My skin can be very pale, very yellow, and very pink - overall very confusing! 🥲

u/SubstantialSoup8719 — 1 month ago

Soft summer color pairings

Hey all! I’m in need of a couple warm weather outfits for an upcoming trip. I find soft summer colors terribly difficult to find off the rack, but usually buy fabrics that are compatible with a little RIT dye bath so I can skew the color. I’ve got these two grey/green pairs of pants and I need tops to go with them. This isn’t a color I have much of as I’m new to shopping my season, what colors would you pair with this? Would you tweak the pants color at all?

u/SubstantialSoup8719 — 2 months ago

I knew better than to engage…

Update: he blocked me 😂 I don’t think I’ve ever been blocked before I’m kind of flattered.

But I did anyway in a forum that is supposedly research and science based. Had a gym bro tell me (referring to someone who has been not lost weight despite following typical diet and exercise advice and is considering tirz) “CICO always applies. Metabolic disfunction just impacts the CO part of that equation, many times requiring a lower deficit than those without. And yes, drugs help with that part of the equation but it is not directly impacting metabolism.”
And
“Starvation mode isn't a thing. Either you were eating things not being tracked (usually it's oils and sauces) or you actual target was just too high for your expenditure.”
And
“A calorie deficit is defined by an actual loss of weight. If no loss, no deficit.”

And now I’m in a bad mood on this lovely Saturday 🤪

Edit to add: the OP on this post literally said she was working with both a nutritionist and a personal trainer who said something was severely wrong with her metabolism because everything she’s doing “should“ be working. I’m sure Gym Bro knows better though. 🙄

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u/SubstantialSoup8719 — 2 months ago

Hi everybody! I’m so excited to have found this sub. I have been scrolling through posts and feel like I’ve really found my people.

Like many of you I deal with chronic illness (two different autoimmune conditions), mild hypothyroidism, and lifelong disordered eating habits (I started hating my body at age nine when I was on heavy steroids for autoimmune issues). Chronic illness combined with binge/restrict cycles and medication through puberty absolutely decimated my metabolism so that no matter what I do I’ve never been able to loose weight despite Drs never finding anything “wrong”.

About 3 years ago I learned about intuitive eating and decided I’d never restrict again, and learned to recognize just how dysfunctional my relationship with food was. That was really profound for me and has lead to me thinking less about food and less about my body than I can ever remember. I spent a lot of time coming to terms with my body just being what it is, learning to rest and manage my autoimmune flares, and be at peace with myself. I thought I had eliminated/overcome all food noise and probably 90% of my overeating habits… more on that in a second though.

A little over a year ago, some scans showed the start of arthritis in my knee (at age 31) and my Dr mentioned a GLP-1 might be helpful to reduce stress on my joints. I ended up becoming pregnant before I could start them but am now sufficiently post partum that I decided to try. My chronic conditions cause a MASSIVE amount of inflammation and are in a post-partum flare that has been difficult to get under control, so the potential benefits there are my primary motivation although weight loss would be nice.

I can already tell this may be a complicated journey as I’ve gone through SO many mixed feelings in just three days since starting. I unintentionally wandered into another sub and came across really unhelpful rhetoric that made me think more about weight loss than I have in a long time. On one hand it gave me hope, made me imagine what it might be like to have something WORK for the first time ever. What would it be like to live in the body I always wanted? On the other it made me terrified that it won’t work and I’ll come crashing down. I hadn’t intended to set any kind of number or size goal but I fear that deep down I do have one. It’s tempting to lean into the excitement of imagining that reality but it also feels dangerous.

I am only on 1.5mg to start, for two weeks before going up to 2.5. I’ve got a compounded Tirzeptide/B6 formulation. I didn’t expect to notice anything initially but I’m definitely more rested, waking up feeling alert and with energy? A foreign feeling. That may be the B vitamin but it’s a welcome surprise. I have actually experienced more hunger than usual, more frequently (I am ADHD and often don’t notice when I might be hungry during the day and then eat too much later on). But what is really, really surprising is what food I want. I want - vegetables??? I’ve never craved a vegetable IN MY LIFE and now when I get hungry I think about it and it’s like “oooo fresh hummus and carrots sounds so good rn”. Or tonight my husband is doing homemade pizza - cheeseburger toppings, a family favorite! And I just finished prepping broccoli and spinach to add to my portion??? Because I want it, not out of guilt or a diet mentality? You can bet I am going to have bacon on there too but I am very confused. I have also found it easy to stop eating when I begin to be full. It made me realize how much compulsive over eating I was still doing even though it was so much less than in some life stages. This is a first and I keep wondering if it’s a placebo effect or a fluke, but I intend to continue to go with it and just see what happens. It does make me wonder if this is how normal people feel.

Interestingly the only time I’ve been able to easily manage my weight or lost unintentionally was during pregnancy. Not due to morning sickness or any change in diet so I wonder if that points to some sort of metabolic change, and I wonder if these meds might have a similar effect.

This is a novel but it’s been a great place to throw out and process some of my thoughts and fears - I’ve loved reading everyone’s posts and can’t tell you how many times something has been said that resonated with me deeply. Thank you for being such a positive and helpful community, I have a feeling I‘ll be turning to reading posts here frequently.

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u/SubstantialSoup8719 — 2 months ago