u/The_Laniakean

What are yall's dating lives like? Is there hope for us?

Only two years ago did I begin to think that my eye condition is possibly 90% responsible for me not getting any attention from women.

Yall can see my appearance in this post: https://www.reddit.com/r/IncelTears/comments/1srk102/am_i_allowed_to_call_myself_a_truecel/

I have never had anyone comment on it unprompted in person, and I do not feel socially behind in platonic friendships. But relationships? No experience whatsoever with that. Outside of the dating world, however, I feel no discrimination.

Edit: I believe women already find 80 percent of men unattractive, and this condition cant possibly make things any easier for us.

Occasionally I will give dating apps a try. Around this time last year i was using four different apps within a couple weeks I had 3 or 4 dates lines up (the 4th one may or may not have ghosted me) but I cowarded out of all of them and deleted the apps bc I thought they weren't really interested. I started doing this again last month and did go on a date with someone, but now I cannot tell if she is interested. Now I have a date lined up with an international student from a nearby university who is currently back home, but is returning in a month. Hopefully she does not lose interest in me in that time. All in all, I have only went on one date in my life with that one woman I met last week. We went out within less than a week of me deciding to start using this dating app again. She has said yes to a second date, but sometimes she shows limited interest over text. Should I shut the hell up and stop identifying as an incel, or are all of these women not actually into me and are just agreeing to see me out of boredom?

What is the correct way to interpret this? Either 1) women exclusively date up, either by choice or natural instinct 2) men are genetically inferior to women or 3) women put more effort into their appearance, personalities and all other aspects than men do (In other words, women are simply better than men.)

If 3) is true, that means that the average woman is out of the league of 90% of men due to her life choices.

Why is it true that there are quotes like "men are searching for water in a desert, women are searching for water in an ocean." are popular. Why is it such a common belief that most women are out of the league of most men, and is it true?

Also many people say things like "yes women have an easier time getting short-term fun, but long-term relationships are just has hard" why is that? Is it because most men do not care that much about forming a deeper connection with a woman? Or because the woman does not care about forming a deeper bond with the man?

In my case, I am willing to give my all to the first physically healthy woman who gives me a chance. I consider at least 80% of women to fit my appearance standards, and even then im still very flexible. I believe most men are the same, we just aren't given that chance. Or are most men not as good as they think they are, are most women simply better people/partners than most men are due to their personal choices?

If you're a man, becoming more attractive is seen as self-development. If you're a woman, it is the opposite.

Imagine being such a perfect gender that you are all exhausted by the amount of attention the other gender is giving you.

Imagine being so repulsed by the opposite gender that your friends and the media congratulate you for purposely making yourself look worse and having a worse personality. Idk how to interpret this, so ill just assume it is men's fault, either through evolution or because society has failed to raise us right.

Of course I still think the vast majority of women are attractive, no matter how much they try to make me repulsed by them.

Almost the entire male gender in the West is socially disabled when it comes to dating.

Inceldom is not a choice. It is also not women's fault. Men really don't know what to do.

Why are 90 percent of men in situations where they feel like they are doing everything right, but still cannot find anyone who will give them a chance? I believe the male gender is actually borderline autistic when it comes to dating. We just can't do it. What we don't know will always be more than what we do know. We are like this because no one will teach us. The patriarchy teaches women from the day they are born how to be good women, but men get none of teaching. I, for example, along with many of my incel friends, believe we are doing everything right, but we still cannot find anyone.

tl:dr women are better than men at everything involved in dating, and it is the fault of the Patriarchy

Inceldom is not a choice. It is also not women's fault. Most men have neckbeard behaviours, but do not know it or are all but incapable of fixing it.

Why are 90 percent of men in situations where they feel like they are doing everything right, but still cannot find anyone who will give them a chance? I believe the male gender is actually borderline autistic when it comes to dating. We just can't do it. What we don't know will always be more than what we do know. We are like this because no one will teach us. The patriarchy teaches women from the day they are born how to be good women, but men get none of teaching. I, for example, along with many of my incel friends, believe we are doing everything right, but we still cannot find anyone.

tl:dr women are better than men at everything, and it is the fault of the Patriarchy