u/Typical-Priority1976

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Just when I thought I had seen it all...

Local rec league (majors). The home team has a speaker, and some mom is doing the travel ball thing, playing music in between innings.

Dad from the visiting team comes to the backstop in between innings and calls me over and says, "Can you make them stop playing that damn ghetto music? It's offensive!"

The song was "All I Do is Win"

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I wish our assigners would all get on the same page with what software to use. It seems like most everyone (in my area at least) uses Arbiter, but then every once in a while I meet a new assigner who does something different (Assignr, Excel Spreadsheet, etc).

Then they're like "make sure you set your schedule!" and I want to be like "I already set my schedule.... on Arbiter... get with the program!"

Anyway.... minor rant over

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u/Typical-Priority1976 — 20 days ago

In 6 . 3 . 2 . 1 (it kept trying to make it a link) where it talks about the placement of the Datum Feature Symbol, it says:

>(b) placed on an extension line of the feature outline clearly separated from the dimension line, when the datum feature is the surface itself.

However, it goes on in a later paragraph to say:

>(d) placed on the dimension line or an extension of the dimension line of a feature of size when the datum is an axis or center plane. (Figure 6.4, illustrations (a) through (c). 

>(e) placed on the outline of a cylindrical feature surface or an extension line of the feature outline, separated from the size dimension, when the datum is an axis.  (Figure 6.4, illustration (e) and (g).

https://preview.redd.it/swy14bs7lztg1.png?width=621&format=png&auto=webp&s=6b70fa983bfa65ca6bee9db0fd3aeaf4591cf3ff

In the images, all the examples show the Datum Feature Symbol in line with the dimension, but does it mean something different if it's not when the part is round?  I am curious if there is a distinction.

In other words, in this first example, my understanding is that Datum A is the center plane of the part, and Datum B is the bottom surface (but I believe this is only correct because the part is square):

https://preview.redd.it/iczstas7lztg1.png?width=934&format=png&auto=webp&s=df402e06fe6a4840b4f9a36e1db40542e9fce004

This is because 6.4 (b) says "placed on an extension line of the feature outline clearly separated from the dimension line" which makes the Datum "the surface itself", which Datum B in this case clearly is.

However, is that true when the part is round?  In this scenario, there isn't really a surface for B to be (unless it's a tangent plane or something).  I interpret this as "placed on the outline of a cylindrical feature surface or an extension line of the feature outline when the datum is an axis" and therefore, when I read this, I interpret Datum A and Datum B to be referencing the same thing in this instance; i.e. the center axis of this part.

https://preview.redd.it/9w4a0bs7lztg1.png?width=944&format=png&auto=webp&s=761b88f3a1ccc9e3fac02d05ed187b05b6a0b498

This is because 6.4 (e) says "placed on the outline of a cylindrical feature surface or an extension line of the feature outline, separated from the size dimension, when the datum is an axis."

Basically, my question is this: In the screenshot above of the round part, does it mean the same thing if I do A or B?

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u/Typical-Priority1976 — 1 month ago