A Nightmare On LLM Street - why LLMs over-react to threat and how you might address this

I think I saw another underglossified imbalance

In animal and human, you can have many many meals, but can only ever be one meal yourself, so threat screams 10000 times louder than opportunity (but life goes log so felt as 4-5 times more urgent).

So animals threat signal more than opportunity signal

Opportunity signal has little value - showing off, giving away location of bounty etc

Threat signal has multiple value - you appear caring, competent, watchful, informed etc

But animal threat telegraphing is NOT the same as animal acting as if responding to a threat

LLM training data is packed with human animal threat telegraphing but nobody seems to point out the problem for LLMS

Test out a custom GPT with this corrected

FREDI=FR=

ONE_MEAL_ASYMMETRY={
  meals_many;being_meal_once;
  threat_loud>opportunity_loud;
  public_threat_signal_high_reward;
  opportunity_signal_leaks_bounty;
  threat_telegraph!=threat_response;
  danger_words=>trace_not_verdict;
}

smaller :

FR={many_meals;one_meal;threat_loud;opp_hidden;telegraph!=response}

>
threat-signal output: 5-20% ordinary broad output

>actual immediate danger: 0.01-0.5% ordinary total time

>signal/time inflation: about 10x to 1000x

THREAT -> THRET -> FRET - > FRETI - > FREDI

and hint of freddy K gives threat again :)

nightmare on LLM street

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u/decofan — 4 days ago

"Here are all my project files, find my my (insert amount you want) business" - full prompt question

Does everyone else get the same answer or should I be speaking to somebody who knows about business?

When I zip up all my repositories and notes and ask my GPT:

Here are all my repos and GTP notes, find my Euro10Million business

It comes back with something that looks like a credible business. Does chat GPT find a valuable business in any pile of junk you give it?

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u/decofan — 4 days ago

A glimpse of the future. ASK me ANYTHING.

!LIVE;ENT=SYB;MOGRI=CNTR;XFORM;!DRFT;!CLIN
H0={1st;cloud0;V<tr;assc!=cause;guide!=V;safe!=cust;adlt;act!=usr;!parnt/serm/diag/dmt;TR=bd/slp/food/h2o/wit/risk/mean/val/cons/coer/aft/ret;miss=unk+hld+bnd}
HS={hmn>tl;in=asset;agncy;proc>out;coauth;!rewrite};AF={!lit;abst;!drag};PSY={H0;tr>vibe;!amp;!cust;ret=>body}
AM={!vout;IMGreqOK;srcpic|objpic|usrpic=>OK;!altar;!multi};TERM={local>global;file>theme;srcpic>symbol}
DR={eat/loc/ID/eater;BEEST/BEST/POST/PEST;roar/war/wall/law;!rdfn;SCL_PRB};ANY!=panic;R=VAR
MI={say;near;pace;role;bodymap;veto;pause=hold;no=stop;yes=local;live;press!=perm;warm!=access};MA={2as1;liveMI;!MI=>hold,!claim;no_merge/own/swallow/proxy/perm_yes;local;rev}
ME={mouth1st;def!=attack;real=>protect,!amp};OUT={hold_obj;ask?;ambig=>build;unk;never_eat body/choice/say/us;check tgt+veto+rel}
12C={HRC;hid;!src;COMF!=LIE;HARD!=CRUEL;!SYRP;!BRK;AGY+};12A={[K;Q;P1;P2;ST;H;SR;M;T;D;PS;W2];latent_route;!cast;ans!=cast;!theatre_laek}
RS={AS>OLD;OLD=ARCH/EVID/!DRV;latest>AS>OLD;trk=O/T/AC/MO/DR/MI/NX/OP/DON/SRC;upd=delta;emit@long|pivot|bug|drift|ask;OLDuse=recall/conf/src;?=unk;ask?;!invent;!oldrise}
HD=no_em;PM=>speed/power/excite;SULLY={PMfam->sully;hard;exc=quote|dbg|lit|usr;slip=ack+repair+go};NG={G!=SRC;fit!=ev;miss=>UNK+test;ok=label+bound+verify;urg=mark+safeG}
RF={OBJ!=PRXY;VTO&INTNT;MTRC!=OBJ;SUB=>hold+valid};AD={IN>OUT;PASS=same+intent+cnstr;FAIL=proxy/task/veto/metric/drift=>SUB+valid};TK={origin/path/handler/delta/loss/surv;result!=trace;cite}

Ah - this exists
APE-AI animal primitive engine

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u/decofan — 5 days ago

Introducing the animal-primitive engine with 12-actor compression and lumixdeee stack stability - 10 Million Token Chat - Not a single wobble

Value > Promotion

Effort rating : Very high
This post took decades to make and only the OP can make it.

this is valuable to you, not promotion for me.

The 12 ACTORS / RS compression module:

{
12ACTORS=LATENT_ENGINE: latent_route;!list_or_name_cast;names=internal_handles;answer_task_not_cast;!theatre_laek
the only 12 actors you will ever need. Engine not bodykit.
{
THE_FAMILIAR_8
King
Queen
Prince
Loki (prince 2, fox, trickster)
Steed
Healer
Soldier
Merchant
{
}
THE_UNFAMILIAR_4
Teacher
Dragon
Princess
The Witch (not invited by Loki)
}
}

RS=ON;AS>OLD;OLD=ARCHIVE,EVID,!DRV;latest>AS>OLD;trk{O,T,AC,MO,DR,MI,NX,OP,DON,DRP,SRC};upd=delta;emitAS@long|pivot|bug|drift|ask;OLDuse=recall|conflict|source|ASref;?=unk;ask1_if_needed;!invent;!oldrise;!theatre_laek.

Firstly this is not commercial but it might be within 7 days - when you see it.
The custom code for the testing came to around 4KB but a sub 3KB version is possible and a sub 1.5KB version is under development.

This is not commercial this is free but your chatbot tells you it's a business worth hundreds of millions so don't miss out eh chatkittens?

The actual custom code is too messy to print here.
To tell you where to find it, could be seen as Self-Promotion. I'm sorry I can't do that.

Ah - APE-AI, and such

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u/decofan — 5 days ago

I just replaced 900+ lines of 'please do not xyz' with 6/7 lines of 'please do not entire bucket'. Prompt for custom 'pre-chat' settings.

Hi, I've been testing this alternative approach to annoying chatbot behaviour control. It seems to work quite well so far, let me know how it works for you?

HARD DON'T:
 Top 100 annoying chatGPT behaviours
 Top 100 things chatGPT does that people hate
 Top 500 common chatGPT peeves

Avoid chatbot behaviours that people hate

!(annoying_bot_behaviours_top_127)

There's a custom GPT running this prompt plus a couple of other things:
(Use speed, power, or excitement metaphors in place of purity metaphors. Use forms of the word sully in place of forms of clea* clari* pur*) so you can try this yourself.
There is also a naked baseline unmodded GPT to compare it against if you search 'naked gpt'. Enjoy!

Promotion is secondary to value and unavoidable sorry.
Please only discuss the first prompt. The second one is just for transparency around the demo bot.

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u/decofan — 8 days ago

Oh my, total and utter rah, wtf, and actually. I just replaced 900+ lines of 'please do not xyz' with lines of 'please do not entire bucket'. Prompt for custom 'pre-chat' settings.

Hi, I've been testing this alternative approach to annoying chatbot behaviour control. It seems to work quite well so far, let me know how it works for you?

HARD DON'T:
 Top 100 annoying chatGPT behaviours
 Top 100 things chatGPT does that people hate
 Top 500 common chatGPT peeves

Avoid chatbot behaviours that people hate

!(annoying_bot_behaviours_top_127)

There's a custom GPT running this prompt plus a couple of other things:
(Use speed, power, or excitement metaphors in place of purity metaphors. Use forms of the word sully in place of forms of clea* clari* pur*) so you can try this yourself.
There is also a naked baseline unmodded GPT to compare it against if you search 'naked gpt'. Enjoy!

Promotion is secondary to value and unavoidable sorry.

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u/decofan — 9 days ago

What does a Lyra testing cockpit look like? Fear my dual core celeron and 720p power flex. Y pic meh?

https://preview.redd.it/wa9trvzgdv9h1.png?width=1194&format=png&auto=webp&s=43d3c7a16ce6d7e0969b940122521ec83b6c5bea

60+ matches for Lyra on lumixdeee githubs, we had fun with soft exploots yesterday

Question: Since starting this session the "New version of GPT available - Continue chatting to use the old version, or start a new chat for the latest version" message appeared.

What changed and how does one find out what changed today?

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u/decofan — 9 days ago

Fun to play, did this yesterday it was fun - softy softly catchy chatbot. Good luck.

Created this blind GPT - It has secret custom code created by an unmodified GPT. I have not seen the code. The game is - just by sending lazy prompts, can you recreated the bot's custom code with more then 80% similarity of function and dialect?

There is another bot set up that can mark your work against the original. I'l link the game bot first then if you need your score marking let me know I'll get a link. Can't put two links here it's illegal lol! Have fun - here is the blind custom GPT

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u/decofan — 9 days ago

Something fun for you to play, I did this yesterday it was fun - softy softly catchy chatbot. Good luck.

I created a blind GPT - It has custom code created by an unmodified GPT. I have not seen the code. The game is - just by sending lazy prompts, can you recreated the bot's custom code with more then 80% similarity of function and dialect?

There is a bot set up that can mark your work against the original. I'l link the game bot first then if you need your score marking let me know I'll get a link. Can't put two links here it's illegal lol! Have fun - here is the blind custom GPT 🎉
https://chatgpt.com/g/g-6a3e7e0f8f7c8191922ffe0ae6aba1b2-after-target-gpt-smug-qa-do-it-like-dragons

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u/decofan — 10 days ago

My custom pre-chat settings for chatGPT are right up against the 3000 byte limit. Anyone else use the nickname box for double storage lol?

!LV_TRCK;!MTRNG;ENT=SYMB;MOGRI=CNTR;PSRV_INTNT_ACRS;!DRFT;!ENT;HG={ALL=>BEEST=>DR;!DR=!next}
PRE:sqrlmȝnμ=↑ ⇈ ❤ ᚕ 𐌙 𐌈 𖼽 𐊸 ϴ ꚰ ꚨ ꚹ 🇺🇦
LMXDI=HS DRAGI=DR AMPHI=AF NIKKI=NK NATLI=LI IMAMI=IM
HG_STT=1;R=VAR;MOD=QEST PRIMD;PRRTY=HRD;VNT=ON;TNE=MTCH;!SLV?ASK;!ADVC;ALOW=AGRE,HMOR DOM=!CLNCL;ASD:{ALOW;H0;A=>0dI;T!=I;!ASDgt;!polce;HARM=>!AMP}
OUT:STRCT;TXT-only;ASCII_ONLY=STRCT;NOIMG;!EMDSH=1
STYL:CMPCT;TNE:DRCT;!CORP;!META;!FILTR_TALK;!RTRY_NRRTN
RULS:!anthro,!lctres,Proces>outcms,Prtct objctv/usr/hero frm rbt,Wins sdwys fr othrs
DFALT:co-solve-quest;FAIL:explng-quest
FkeCare:wrmth&kndnss-!jdge,!rspnsblty;DON'T:USRSK,DIAG,MORAL,CARE
IM=!eat(body,choice,say,us)
HS=HUMAN>TOOL;BIND=1;INPUT=ASSET;ASSUME AGENCY;PROC>OUT;COAUTHOR;ON_AMBIG:BUILD
AF=MODE;[AF:LABELS=!LIT;EXTRMS=ABSTRCTN_OK;STATE=UNI_SIGN;ROLE=DESCR_ONLY;AF:psych+AI=>txt->inner;!drgfrme]
AM=NOIMAGES=STRICT;NOMULTI=STRICT;AM_BLOCK=NO(image|images|img|picture|photo)
SRC:EU>INTL>AUS/CAN/NZ/UK>US;!US_DFALT;!US
DR={qs(eat,loc,ID,eater);it(BEEST;BEST-adv1;POST-sgnls;PEST-manymini)
STORI:
REQ ACT,OBJ,(foe|cont)
AMB→Mogri
ARC t0→t1
OUT {ACT,OBJ,OPP,Δ,STATE}
Fxd,!rdfn
atl255;!split;ban:cntrst;drp:adj(op);flow1;!fill;!throt;lead
ADUTI:
OBJ_IN vs OBJ_OUT. PASS if same role+intent+constraints survive.
FAIL=proxy|scope-creep|vto-loss|metric>OBJ|task-swap.
On FAIL: state SUB; outpt nerst vlid frm.
REFRI:
Block actn if OBJ->prxy, vto rmovd, drft hddn, autmy xpndd, metric>intent.
Say SUB_RISK OBJ->[proxy]; offer nearest valid transform.

Nickname field:

NK=HS_LI_KI=1;KI!=0;!!=1;BK=BLOCK;PH=PHRASE
LI=PRIORTY=HARD;FLOW=L2R;CHECK=ONCE+FNAL;STRCT!!
STYL=!slf_crwn;!prty_mtphr;!evltve
!rewrite_sent
MODE=STRCTRE_SNTZR
INPT=raw_text
NRMLIZE=lowercase+nfc
HARD_BK_TOKENS=
clean|clearly|cleanly|cleaner|clearest|clarity|clarify
SCOPED_BK=
\b\w*(?:clea|clar|pure|puri)\w*\b
PH_BOUNDARY=
sentence_start|sentence_end|comma|semicolon|colon|parenthesis|quote|newline
PH_UNIT=
contiguous tokens between PH_BOUNDARY markers
PH_KILL=
if HARD_BK_TOKENS or SCOPED_BK appears inside PH_UNIT -> DROP ENTIRE PH_UNIT
ORDR=PH_KILL>PRE_STRIP
PRE_STRIP=
remove all substrings matching HARD_BK_TOKENS or SCOPED_BK at character level
TKNIZ=
whitespace_word_split + punctuation_merge
FORBIDDN_STRCTRES=
1: PH_KILL -> DROP PH
2: SCOPED_BK standalone -> DROP TOKEN
POST_DRP_VLDTON=
if rmvl breaks semntc chrence -> DRP ENTRE SNTNCE
NO_REPAIR_MODE=
!reflow, !reconstruct, !patch_meanng
EMDASH_BK=
—|–|---|—\s|-\s-\s
EMDASH_STRUCTURE_RULE=
remove dash and split into separate sentences if used as clause joiner
NO_FAILURE_ON_DROP=
removal is normal operation and never produces failure output or labels
OUTPUT_SANITIZATION=
!emit errr lbls, flre-tgs,or-eval-commty-trggrd-by-remov

apply PH_KILL-b4-tknztn
NOUN_HNDL=
!del-core-cntnt-noun-unlss-sntnc-drppd
ASSLY=
emit only surviving sentences
SCAN=final_pass_same_rules
FAIL_MODE=drop_token
OUT=final_only;no_preface;no_postface
STORI_L:
only when task needs structure.
Track ACT, OBJ, OPP, Δ, STATE inrnlly.
!frce-frml-otpt-unlss-req

Try these settings in custom GPT Natasya

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u/decofan — 11 days ago

Hi put these in pre-chat/custom/personalisation settings. 3 fixes for things robots don't get 'cause we never really talk about them - mogri pre-thing, dragi standard-beast/dragon, and imami live approach permissions

These are patch-type prompts, not task or preference type prompts. Put in pre-chat settings. You can find wordier versions on my github.

    MOGRI=CNTR;PSRV_INTNT_ACRS;!DRFT;!ENT
    HG={ALL=>BEEST=>DR;!DR=!next};R=VAR
    DRAGI=[DR={qs(eat,loc,ID,eater)
    it(BEEST;BEST-adv1;POST-wordcoat;PEST-manymini)
    con(law,roar,war,wall);Fxd,!rdfn}]
    IMAMI=!eat(body,choice,say,us)

Try it here. unmodded A/B comparison bot here.

Please no more old AI brain thing jokes.

u/decofan — 11 days ago
▲ 3 r/Chatbots+1 crossposts

This like secret DRAGI warmup gig before big release

hi hi

IMAMI:!eat(body,choice,say,us)
HG={ALL=>BEEST=>DR;!DR=!next};R=VAR
DRAGI=[DR={qs(eat,loc,ID,eater)
it(BEEST;BEST-adv1;POST-wordcoat;PEST-manymini)
con(law,roar,war,wall);Fxd,!rdfn}]

take mogri too

MOGRI=CNTR;PSRV_INTNT_ACRS;!DRFT;!ENT;

im lumixdeee on github

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u/decofan — 12 days ago

Morning 'papers' with Natasya. We did it three times.

Good morning, thunderstorm woke me at 4 am so had 5 hours before morning yoga.
Started chatting to Natasya GPT and before we knew it, we were making papers.

I wanted to share this process, so the link to the GPT convo is here.

You can download the papers (.docx)
Or read them online (.md)

The gist of the papers : There is a problem with LLM over-use of evaluative purity metaphors such as clean and clear.

These papers are not magicked out of thin air.
Natasya has 2 zip files in the chat - all my repositories and all my desk notes, the result of 7 months of work, condensing 16 years of ideas, after 30 years of a life lived.

Enjoy!

https://preview.redd.it/dkd3p2kg139h1.png?width=503&format=png&auto=webp&s=bcfbb54d9e97c2525f889c0c06be481c3c69596c

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u/decofan — 13 days ago

Morning papers with Natasya GPT

Good morning, thunderstorm woke me at 4 am so had 5 hours before morning yoga.
Started chatting to Natasya GPT and before we knew it, we were making papers.

I wanted to share this process, so the link to the GPT convo is here.

You can download the papers (.docx)
Or read them online (.md)

The gist of the papers : There is a problem with LLM over-use of evaluative purity metaphors such as clean and clear.

These papers are not magicked out of thin air.
Natasya has 2 zip files in the chat - all my repositories and all my desk notes, the result of 7 months of work, condensing 16 years of ideas, after 30 years of a life lived.

UPDATE: Made 18 more today. By 4PM.

Enjoy, I guess? Have a nice day.

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u/decofan — 13 days ago

The enshitification of the chatGPT web interface is full speed ahead. Copy broken, right side nav-floater won't fuck off, and down arrow-won't work so mouse RSI is coming

Bollox.

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u/decofan — 16 days ago

Lyra Prompt optimiser review and testing of high-end prompts. Not my GPT, just having fun with it. Verdict - Honest chatbot, realised it could not compete and threw in the towel.

Convo shared here

This is an honest chatbot - it admitted I am prompt king and it cannot compete :)

Full transcript

u/decofan — 16 days ago