Positioning mistakes are one thing, but we need to talk about ult mistakes being just as important

Positioning mistakes are one thing, but we need to talk about ult mistakes being just as important

Hey guys, there's a lot of VOD requests from metal players that I see who have typical position and game sense issues, but a huge common denominator is that ults often get low or no value.

After watching enough games, I made a summary of the mistakes with specific visual examples and also what can be done to fix them: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfCmDqdCe9s

Ults are the most powerful ability in the game and give the ulting team a huge advantage over the other team. There was a post awhile ago showing ult and team fight stats that showed the team with more ults/first to ult won nearly 60-70% of team fights. That is a huge advantage and it showed that Masters/GM was where teams could truly take advantage of ults and that in Bronze/Silver, ults barely moved the needle.

That means when you don’t get value out of your ult, not only are you losing that edge, but you are allowing the OTHER team to take advantage of their ults to win the team fight.

Issues that come up in almost every VOD:

Ulting too late or when the fight is over (aka he's already dead Jim)

  • Fight is already won or lost, so ult gets no value
  • Caused by tunnel visioning and not realizing who is left (bad game sense)
  • Fix by looking at the kill feed or looking around before ulting

Holding ults too long (aka waiting for OW3)

  • Not using ults is the same as giving the enemy an extra ult
  • Caused by lack of thinking, you should actively be thinking of when to use ult instead of reacting to the right time
  • Caused by too much thinking, you are overthinking when to use the ult for the perfect situation for a team kill and it never comes up
  • Can fix by forcing yourself to ult when you see a teammate ult

Over-ulting

  • When a team decides to rush point and 4-5 ults get dumped together
  • Caused by tunnel vision, where you are too focused on the fight in front of you and stop looking at the kill feed and what is happening around you
  • Caused by lack of planning, because this often happens when a team has 4-5 ults after a long period of no ults and you should be anticipating 2-3 ults coming out already
  • Can fix by looking at the kill feed and pre-planning prior to the fight

Solo / Panic Ult (aka the Silver reaper don't mind me while I fade into your team ult)

  • Trying to take on the entire team by yourself or running head first into the enemy and getting stunned out of your ult
  • Caused by desperation (please save me Q button) or overconfidence (press Q to win gg ez)
  • Fix by pausing before ulting and asking yourself how will you survive. Play less emotional.

Ulting too early

  • Gives enemy team too much time to kite or avoid ult so you get no value. Not a horrible mistake in metal because many teams walk into your ult, but still a mistake
  • Caused by impatience and not reading the game state
  • Caused by pre-planning and being too fixated on a set plan
  • Fix by better planning and reading of the game state

Ulting too close to spawn (aka how we lost the game with 1:00 left after holding them all game)

  • Doesn’t do much to stop enemy progress as they are just reset for a few seconds
  • Caused by lack of understanding about time management
  • Fix by simply not ulting them at spawn
u/granto — 9 days ago
▲ 100 r/Overwatch

Trying to make an Silver/Gold education series for all roles and realizing that Overwatch really is an overwhelming game for many players

I'm Masters in all roles and play with regular group of Silver to Diamond players, a number of whom I helped train to their level. These are guys with FPS experience and decent mechanics, but it took two years for some of them to get to Gold/Plat.

I'm currently trying to help our Silver member who has less than 100 hours and it's been a struggle. They are miserable because we can't have a session where they don't get flamed in chat. Then they watch Unranked to GM and other "educational" videos where metal ranks are constantly referred to as NPCs or trash and are discouraged that they're still Silver even though it's supposed to be easy to rank out.

Obviously it's not! I have to explain that if you have 5,000 hours to play Overwatch than yeah, you will have a warped idea of what normal is. You see that same attitude on Reddit with the "duh hold space and use cover" like everyone should know what that means. If so, why does it take thousands of hours for people to hit the high ranks?

There is even this active post from a former GM in OW1 who has returned and is now Plat asking if everyone is just better now and the consensus is that yes, the game has advanced that much!

Because of these issues, I started recording training videos on various heroes that tried to teach with practical and down to earth explanations. After some encouragement on a post about sharing these training videos, I'm remaking them to make it more polished and public.

But, while recording the new videos, I realized just how HARD it is to explain Overwatch now. There's 53 heroes, 30 maps and 7 game types. There's so many possible interactions not just between heroes but with maps and objectives too. Add in ults, perks, passives, sub roles, armor, etc and it's just chaos until you've logged hundreds of hours to get a baseline understanding.

Thus, trying to explain "take space" or "use better position" in 10 minutes, let alone an hour is not possible. Sure, I can make a generic guide, but there's no way someone can actually digest, process and apply that information because Overwatch is so extremely situational.

Thus, even as a Masters player, I find it really unfair that the community seems to enjoy constantly crapping on metal ranks for not understanding these concepts. How are you supposed to learn if you don't want to grind hours? Yeah you can watch streamers and hopefully pick things up passively over time but lots of people just want to pick up and play. Even then, the consensus is "Turn off chat, turn off VC" because it's become so toxic.

The other way to improve is really studying, but the reality is no one wants to sit though an 4-hour video that actually explains what position REALLY means in Overwatch in a way that they will walk away knowing how to apply it. Maybe 1 in 100 people would find that fun to nerd out over Overwatch theory with me, but everyone else is bored to tears. And good luck finding a video that is actually educational vs generic tips meant to drive clicks on YT. (Here's where I say watch old A10 vids if you want real OW knowledge).

In my videos, I've found trying to show mistakes vs "proper" play often is a lot easier for people to understand. So I'll say "If I take main with no cover, I'll probably get blown up, so let's see what happens" and proceed to get blown up, to me that is a teaching moment. Contrast that with killing 3 guys with T500 mechanical skills and saying "look, I took high ground, easy". To be fair, I also show examples of "proper" play to teach as well, but try to provide as much explanation for WHY I'm doing what I'm doing.

Here's the heroes I've covered so far:

Again, Overwatch is hard, so I'm trying to simplify the concepts as much as I can for Bronze/Silver/Gold players. So if you're higher ranked, this might be too boring for your tastes. But regardless, any feedback on what works/doesn't work for you would be appreciated.

I've already been told I talk too much, but maybe it's because I'm a dad I have a need to dad'splain everything :( But being a dad is also part of the motivation to make these, because it drives me NUTS when I see other dads yell advice like "Just keep your legs under you!" like somehow that will magically teach their kids what was missing all along. Or worse, they berate the poor kids for messing up. So just like in real life, I try to frame learning in a positive light in these videos.

Lastly, if you enjoy this format and want a series on your hero, I'm pretty comfortable with the entire roster with the exception of Mercy.

u/granto — 1 month ago
▲ 108 r/SupportMainsOverwatch+1 crossposts

I'm making a educational series for metal Supports where instead of always carrying games, I often lose and explain the mistakes that a metal player makes

TL;DR: Unranked to GM videos don't do a good job educating newer players. I have a background in training and enjoy teaching, so I made videos series specifically with education in mind. Links at bottom.

As background, I'm not your typical OW player. I'm 45 years old, have a family, run a small business and tend to pets and a 1/2 acre garden on my off time.

I say this because when I got into OW, I thought it would be a fun, casual pow-pow game. Uh no. It was a sweaty, chaotic mad house with dozens of characters I didn't understand yelling things in different languages, bursts of random WoW looking spells and kids half my age typing EZ while tea bagging my poor Baptiste who just wanted to heal this roid induced German rocket man with a hammer. After each defeat, I felt like I needed to rest my old ass on the sofa just to mentally recover.

Over the next two years though, I watched videos, practiced, read all the tips in this sub and eventually climbed to Masters on all roles while weeding on weekends and packing school lunches.

However, I felt it was WAY harder than it needed to be, because with my schedule, I don't have time to watch streamers. That leaves Youtube, where most of the "education" videos are GM/Champ players stomping in metal ranks with little explanations (though exeptions like A10 & Yeatle exist). I found most my learning came from VOD reviews and Reddit, but unfortunately that format is the least engaging for most people.

So, after some encouragement from a previous Reddit post, I decided to create videos for the support heroes that were requested:

There's also a Bastion series in progress that someone asked for. If you like the format of these videos and have requests for your hero though, let me know. It might just take some time before it goes up.

I have zero intentions (or time) to be a YT content creator, my goal is just to get some foundational education content out there to help metal rank players understand some fundamentals to the game in a way that is approachable and doesn't talk down to being a metal player like it's some insult. Good teachers have patience and understanding, which as a dad, it really makes me cringe when I see "educational" content with less than mature attitudes about the very people watching the video.

Any feedback would be great. But if you're gonna tell me I can't crush a metal lobby like a T500, my answer is that I'm 100% with you, I can only crush a Taco bell value meal these days. I'm old man, GG.

u/granto — 2 months ago

Masters player here that helped my friend group rank out of Bronze/Silver. Anyone interested in videos specific to those ranks and heroes?

Hey all,

Background: Casual OW player that games in a 40+ year old Discord friend group. I'm Masters in all roles, but the group is average Gold with some newer guys in Bronze and Silver.

To help get our new players up to at least Gold, I've made educational videos for the group, the latest is where I demonstrate in real games what metal mistakes look like and then contrast that by showing what higher level play looks like in the same game. The first half of the video is a typical metal game with live-narration of the mistakes, followed by a demonstration of what happens when you fix those mistakes. So far I've helped my Bronze friends rank just shy of Gold and Plat on characters like Moira, Soldier, Bastion, Orisa, etc.

I'm curious if anyone is interested in content specifically aimed at lower metal ranks? Most of it I don't publish on YT publicly because it's always been just to help friends for fun and it's not flashy or polished, but here's are example vids:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1ckvZaiUyA (Soldier mistakes/fixes)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuSCPObHN3g (Orisa basics)

I actually have a whole pile of Moira vids but those are specifically directed at someone so I could share those but would have to re-record them most likely.

I started making these videos because I have a training background and felt existing educational videos, especially the "Unranked to GM" formats, suffered because they show unrealistic game sense and mechanics that most metal ranks can't understand. Some creators just narrate what they do vs explaining the "why". Even with good explanations in game, there is still such a knowledge gap between the content and viewer that it may as well be a Nobel physicist explaining string theory to a high schooler. There is no shortage of great OW players- but there is a lack of those who know how to teach properly (my hot take, obv).

On the other hand, the truly educational videos like theory from A10 or Spilo/Adder VOD reviews are awesome for OW nerds like me, but I knew my friends weren't about to spend an hour being bored watching a deep dive of a VOD.

And for anyone wondering, I have zero interest in being a content creator. As I mentioned, I'm in a 40+ discord group; we're all busy with life responsibilities as-is, so not like I have tons of time to kill. This is really more of a "Hey, I made this already, so if anyone can benefit, why not share?"

Finally, because it's Reddit, I know I'm not GM/Champ and only in Masters 2 so what do I know? But like I said, I have a background in training people to not do stupid things. Helping metal ranks go into Gold/Plat is matter of fixing common mistakes by learning to first recognize said mistakes, acknowledging the mistake, creating a reinforcing feedback loop, then finally applying what was learned.

So yes, I'm can't make OW prodigies, but maybe I can make it less painful for those that are struggling in the metal ranks. However, if there's interest, let me know and I can get around to figuring out how to share it. Thanks.

u/granto — 2 months ago

Woo, 55k tariff refund just arrived. Applied a week after CBP portal instructions published. Anyone else get theirs yet?

Applied in mid May after instructions were given on how to apply via the CBP.gov website: https://www.cbp.gov/sites/default/files/2026-04/electronic-refund-enrollment-one-pager_508c.pdf

To be honest the refund was faster than I anticipated and for how minimal the process was. The crazy thing is how there is how no confirmation other than seeing you uploaded a file to the portal and no notice of the refund arriving other than the funds hitting.

For anyone that's sitting around waiting to do it- just get off your ass and do it already. It's stupidly easy: you just upload a CSV file with a single column of CBP entry numbers, that's it.

What's an entry number you ask? That's the form DHS/CBP sends you that says "Entry Summary" at the top and tells you how much duty/tariffs you owe. Very first box at the top left is your Filer Code/Entry Number. Just put a list of all the entry numbers for shipments that were tariffed at the excess rate.

Don't pay your broker/freight forwarder a 10% fee to do it for you or I will personally slap you through your monitor. We all bitch and moan about being nickle and dimed by Amazon but here is a magical gift of easy money and I know there's some of you being lazy or scared to do it.

The More You know.

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u/granto — 3 months ago
▲ 16 r/olympia

Paid part time gardening / yard help?

Hey all, this might be an odd request, but I've got a pretty big garden / yard and normally can take care of it by myself, but had a few things happen that led me to getting a very late start this year (read: weed jungle) and many unfinished or half-way completed projects.

I'm looking for someone that can help with weeding, seeding, tilling, pruning, putting together like raised beds, spreading bark/compost, running irrigation/drip lines, etc just so I can get caught up with everything. If you like detail stuff like sifting soil and trying to seed carrots, great. If you want to want to help pull logs from a creek and chop wood, great. If you want to tell me my mono species row planting method is behind the times and teach modern gardening, great. Just any help would be nice at this point!

I'm in the south Tumwater area and looking to have help 2-3 times a week in the morning preferably, but I'm pretty flexible. Given the hours, a good fit is someone looking for some extra cash for the summer, someone who really likes nerding out over gardening and dirt. Pay is $25/hr.

If you're interested, please DM me some info about yourself and your availability. Feel free to ask any questions as well!

Also, sorry if this post doesn't really belong here. It would feel weird posting on a job board for something like this so I figured I would try the oly sub.

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u/granto — 4 months ago

My brand used to do 8-figures with healthy profits. Sold it to an aggregator and steadily went downhill the next few years until it lost 70% revenue and was bleeding money. Bought it back two years ago and after much sweat and effort, revenue is up 200% with 20% margins again. Here's my playbook.

I don't post much here anymore, but seeing this post motivated me to help out those of you still trying to make a serious living on Amazon: https://www.reddit.com/r/FulfillmentByAmazon/comments/1tpfzf3/we_used_to_do_25m_on_amazon_now_were_barely/

I'm doing this because I know the struggle is real and some of you will get value from this. In two years I turned a -300k dying business into a +400k stable evergreen so this isn't just me getting lucky on being the first garlic press. Amazon is still a skill set and some of you have to realize that sourcing is not the skill set, it's how well you sell.

I'm not an agency, I'm not selling a course, if you DM me asking for advice I'm going to straight up ignore you. I also happen to be one of the mods here, so if you spam this post shilling your agency services you will get insta banned.

With that, here's the exact shit I did to bring my brand back from the dead.

Step 1: Figure out what was broken. I had to relearn/rebuild my spreadsheets to figure out what was profitable and what was losing money. On top of that, I needed to figure out what my price point needed to be in order to make 10-20% net margins. I was shocked to find out I needed to increase my pricing 50-60% over the pricing when I had sold.

The Amazon economics changed drastically while I was out of the game. New fees that took me aback included:

- Return fees: Much higher now and also return rates had climbed, a LOT
- Removal/Disposal fees: Almost the same as MCF fees and made removing items shockingly expensive
- Inbound fees: All tiers were now multiple splits (standard size was previously single FC) and inventory placement was terribly expensive

These were just the new fees, but obviously fulfillment and PPC fee creep was also 15-25% higher across the board. I ended up using SellerBoard to get a boots on the ground picture of ASIN by ASIN P&L since my spreadsheet was just theoretical profit vs actual, but I still recommend everyone figure out spreadsheets regardless.

Step 2: Figure out how the hell I was going to make my margin back in this new Amazon margin crush landscape. I could see how the aggregators stumbled because I used to YOLO 50+ containers a year directly into FBA from my manufacturers. Couldn't do that anymore, so the logistics cost went skyrocketing when you had to self-warehouse, 3PL or pay for inventory placement.

Did all the math and figured out that AWD was the answer. Yes, it had plenty of horror stories, but we're operators here - Amazon is nothing but horror stories but we put our heads down and figure it out. Ran a few test containers into AWD, first one nearly got rejected due to stupidity, but it all got checked it. Math ended up correct and it was MUCH cheaper than 3PL/split-shipment or single FC/inventory placement by about 30-40%.

Plus, I've been royally screwed from 3PLs in the past and never want to rely on them again. I also used to run 15,000sf of my own space + 3PLs, so I didn't want the headache of unloading containers out of sketchy ass containers again either.

Step 3: Kill 40% of my SKUs. Unfortunately, I could see my break even sales point on many formerly profitable SKUs were just not competitive anymore. I was early-to-market in an outdoor segment and sold for very healthy margins. However, the market was now filled with the actual manufacturers even cheaper than China and the pricing pressure dropped a $70 product down to $40, cutting margin into single digits. Could I make money with 5-6% margins? Yes. Do I want to play with fire? Not really, because one fuck up blows up my entire margin here. The cash flow requirements to play this game is for high volume and established brands and this was just going to hamper my re-launch.

Step 4: Increase my damn prices 50-60%. Not going to lie, the idea of doing this scared the shit outta me because we are already priced higher the competition and this was testing the price elasticity of our customers.

"Wtf, why didn't the guys running the brand increase their pricing!" you ask? Well that's a great question Timmy! The answer is a very long winded reply that is way too long to put here, but if you can understand "morons" and "liquidation", that's all you need to know.

We all know Amazon algo is not happy with sudden price increases, so I staggered the price increase at 10% at a time across about 8 months. NGL, even that rate of increase freaked me out, but at least I had time to observe my conversions to know if something went horribly wrong (losing buy box, mass conversion drop, etc). To nobody's surprise, conversion did drop, but it didn't drop by the amount I was expecting, which was a very nice finding.

Step 5: Increase conversion to offset pricing. This is the real meat of this post, because anyone can increase pricing and pretend they have a premium product, but unless you can actually position yourself as premium, the customers will walk.

Previously, I had spent upwards of 20k on photo shoots with great lifestyle shots and even had solid copy writers to do my listings. However, I could easily see the competition had all caught up and everyone has a decent Amazon listing these days. You can't win at Amazon with an OK listing anymore. Bullet points no longer show half the time so it's basically "How persuasive are your product images and how good is your A+ content?"

I looked at the absolute best listings and compared mine to them and could see that yeah, mine sucked in comparison. But I didn't want to blow another 20k on photoshoots and videographers, so I took advantage of Google Gemini.

Over the next two months (yes, months) I generated piles and piles of new product photos, lifestyle shots. Not only that, I made infographics that heavily sold the product features, integrated messaging into all my lifestyle shots and build cohesive brand messaging across all the listings. Added premium A+ content using high res format. Conversions went up SIGNIFICANTLY as a result because once again, my listings were superior to the competition. We're talking 15-20% conversion jumps organically, but more on that later.

On top of that, I started playing with video creation which is expensive as far as AI goes, but over time I got the hang of it and using Kling to splice still Gemini images into videos then running it through my own video editing software, I was able to create agency level videos or influencer style videos which high CTR rates. Videos by themselves organically don't do a whole lot, but we'll get to where the benefit of videos are.

For Gemini, use Google Labs as you can generate multiple requests (4x) at a time instead of waiting for a single image output with the normal Gemini app. Obviously I also pay for a premium version because I value my time and needed to work on 20+ ASINs. I would say it takes 20 generations to get 1 image that I actually like and use. Even then, it takes editing and refinement to get to where I want. The AI creative cycle is:

- Come up with idea for the shot you want or have AI suggest a few shots
- AI creates the shot (repeat until you're happy)
- Add messaging on top of shot with Photoshop to stay consistent (AI sucks at text/consistency)
- If infographic route, use the prompt in addition to the shot you generated as this will save you tons of time vs trying to get a right shot + infographic in the same prompt (trust me on this..)

Also, I'm not going to lie here, but I assume more than half of you will not be able to do this. You will say "I don't have the creative talent or vision" and you know what, that's ok. But if you are trying to make it on Amazon and you don't bring value to the table... then that is weeding out at work. Like I said, sourcing is not talent. It might have been in the past, when any grandma could go on Alibaba and find a pink garlic press and make money, that time has long passed.

You have to know how to brand build guys. Easy hustle money is over. I've been saying this forever.

Step 6: Use new content/creatives to blow up PPC. When I sold, ACOS was 7% and PPC was 25% of sales. When I bought back, ACOS was 37% and PPC was 35% of sales.

Today, PPC is 12% and is 30% of sales.

The new listings helped PPC conversion, which allowed me to bid higher CPC, to get more keyword conversions, which helped organic, which helped rankings, which helped TACOS.

On top of that, the listings REALLY converted well on ASIN targeting campaigns, since I knew which competitors had sucky listings and could sit on their product pages all day long and siphon traffic.

Videos were also the keys to the kingdom on some ASINs, because most seller still do not use video. This is your competitive advantage!

Amazon really values video and so do customers. Our highest CTR video ads just spank our SP campaigns by a mile. Even I was shocked at the effectiveness of video and I should know better since I've had a long history in marketing. But we're in the IG/TikTok/YT generation and video is the media form of choice.

Our "influencer" style videos do very well. The old fancy product placement videos and high quality production videos had their time, but they don't compare to the person talking to the screen doing a literal product placement shill.

Some ASINs have video campaigns outperforming keyword or ASIN campaigns by a 3-4x margin, which is significant.

The secret is that even if your video is bad, a bad video still beats no video. But a great video trumps all. I just launched 5 products into a competitive market and they are destroying it just on vine reviews alone due to video (though 1 product flopped hard, but that's on me).

Side note on PPC:

If you're under 20MM, don't use an agency. It's hardly going to be worth it. Why would I pay someone 10% of ad spend with a minimum retainer? Hell during my non-compete, I ran PPC for some buddies and saw the most incompetent PPC campaigns in my life being run by big agencies. They were paying upwards of 30k/mo for what? Someone to run Perpetua on their behalf and throw a custom report on top each month?

It literally took me 5 hours a month to maintain their campaigns and it takes me the same for my own. Setting up something new takes times, but maintenance is easy. The biggest PPC agency "secret" is that PPC is not difficult.

All the information is out there. Stop being lazy. It takes a few hours a week tops unless you are in OA, which incase god help you because Amazon just hates you, your family, your bloodline. But if you're in private label, then you are not running 100+ SKUs and reading this post. If you are, then obviously you have a in-house PPC guy or you're so big you don't care to share margin with an agency. But for everyone else doing sub 20MM, stop being lazy, learn PPC.

How to do PPC in 10 minutes:

- Create a broad match campaign with 150% top of search bid modifier (stops leaking on shitty search placement or product page placements)
- Use + keyword modifiers and bid on all relevant terms
- Every 30 days, comb through your search terms and negative out all the keywords that don't convert. After a year, you should have 300-500+ negative keywords that are the root cause for bleeding out PPC campaigns.

- Create a ASIN campaign targeting competitors
- Use product page modifier bid of 100% (stops over bidding against keywords, this is just to target competitors)
- Every 30 days adjust your bids based on LIFETIME performance

Obviously there's more to that, but that is the bread and butter of it.

Step 7: I tackle margin in order of most important, but FBA fees were still a pain point. I worked with our manufacturer to squeeze the packaging down per unit and also increase units per master carton to reduce AWD handling fees, as they charge per master carton.

Yeah, this amounts to like $0.12 savings/unit on AWD side and $0.26 per unit on FBA side, but that was $0.38/unit where we make a net average of $3-5 per unit, so that's still 10%.

I also negotiated the shit out of my container rates with my freight forwarders but honestly, I sucked ass and got nowhere. They kept overcharging me for detention, demurrage, truck fees, trucker delays, blah blah if you do container shipping you know the drill: the ocean container rates always look good, but where they get you is the accessorial fees, just like Ticket Master.

So what did I do? I said fuck US companies. I went with a shipper from my manufacturer's country that was desperate for exports in a high tariff world. Guess what, they speak English and don't need to make the same margin that American companies need to (which is probably like $1-2k per container). Again, ocean rates all look great, but dryage and intermodal is where you get taken for a ride.

My non-American forwarder is cheaper on ocean by like $100 vs my American counterpart. However, my other fees have dropped $500-$1500 per shipment vs before. It all adds up. All FFs use the same trucking/dryage boards that everyone else does to hire a driver/truck to move your load. The only difference is the amount of mark up each company is willing to tag on you.

Step 8: God damn returns. I could not believe we had 10-15% return rates on a number of our products. Researched deep into Voice of the Customer, return reasons and pretty much came to the conclusion customers can't read and are incompetent, but that didn't matter because they were still blowing up my margin.

So we made big edits to our listing images. Literally decided to take a whole image to make a message about sizing and returns. Added sizing to other images, so there was very clear messaging. Did that magically stop returns? Hah of course not. But it did drop conversions and some noticeable conversions on certain keywords in PPC. So I stopped bidding on those keywords in PPC and purposefully killed some keyword language in the listing. Ranking for keywords that invite returns = suck.

I also found out 50% of our returns were unusable, so I bit the bullet and enabled returnless returns. This saved us the cost of the return shipping and returns fees. I was super worried this would invite customer abuse once they figured out they could buy the product for free and just "Return" it and keep it. So far it hasn't been a major issue, but I'm keeping an eye on it. However, the return rates have dropped to 5% now, we no longer have "This item is frequently returned' badge and margins have gone up just by better managing this issue.

Step 9: A/B test the shit out of new images. You all have Brand registry I hope. If so, use your A/B experiments to run proper A/B testing. When I handed the brand over, my team extensively A/B tested and prior and had winning main images across the board.

However, re-testing again found out things changed over the last 4 years for whatever reason and new winners emerged here and there. Sometimes I found out the new AI images did much better and other times fared much worse. But at least I knew with hard data instead of trying to guess based on my hunch. Got a 4% CTR improvement on some main hero ASINs, which is nothing to ignore.

Step 10: Promo, coupon, promo, coupon, Amazon influencer, reddit ads, etc. Amazon listings all need juice now. I'll be the first to admit I've got no TikTok/FB marketing game. To be fair, my brand isn't suited for it, but I help a buddy on his that it prime time TikTok and I am forcing myself to get into it.

In the meantime, I consistently run price promotions or coupons on my ASINs to drive demand. Anytime there's a lull in sales or something looks like it's deranking, back to promos I go. Promos exist to build your organic traffic by giving you a temporary conversion boost. If you think of them as trying to make money, you're thinking wrong- it's all for velocity.

Don't over do it so you're always running promos, but do it enough to convert all your wishlist customers and game the algo a bit.

Amazon influencers I am not an expert either. But they bring about 5-10k/month in sales which is better than 0. I just set a 20% commission (same as my margin) and let them do their thing. Again, I don't need to make money, I just want conversions to drive organic and give positive algo points to my listing.

*Edit: Step 11: This isn't exactly a "step" but final word of advice on the playbook of how to win with Chinese sellers.

Use their lack of branding and lack of cultural awareness against them. In short, the more polished and *brand centric* your entire listing and brand page is, the more customers will trust you.

Don't accept a knife fight aka a price war. There's no winning a price war, everyone loses. I also firmly believe most shitty customers opt for the cheaper product anyways and have unrealistic expectations and high return rates, so don't win over the customers you don't want.

Amazon's ranking algo is complex, but it doesn't just reward low price. It likes variety and a premium option is in the interest of Amazon. If you think about it, if Product A is $20 and converts 20% of traffic, that means every 100 clicks = 20 purchases = 15% commission * $20 * 20 units = $60 in Amazon commissions or $0.60 per click. Now if Product B is $40 and converts 10%... it's the same exact commission of $0.60 per click. Same goes for a $80 at 5%. This is why being premium isn't bad, so long as you can maintain a reasonable conversion that drives high revenue/click for Amazon.

Obviously, if you try to position yourself premium, you best bet your ass that you are legitimately a premium product. I was personally involved in product design 100% of the time and improving products based on reviews and our own testing.

In the outdoor niche, one product example comes to mind: everyone used plastic casters (rolling wheels) on a certain product because well, that's just what everyone did. For $1.50 more we switched to metal casters. Way smoother, heavier feel and less prone to breaking. The supplier was in shock because they said no one pays for that but I kept asking them how do I make this damn thing better?

I switched out staple nails and used stainless screws. Added sealant to the outside for rain proofing, stuff like that. And it paid off, because while our COGS were maybe $2 more than the next guy, our price point was $12 more and we sold the piss out of those items. Everyone raved about the quality, especially because vs the junk that Wally World and the Crap Depot sold, ours truly was premium. Plus, our reviews were great so while everyone else was falling apart over a year and the reviews slowly degraded, ours remained pure 4.8-4.9 territory.

Final lesson is that most Chinese only know how to copy and sell cheap. Let'em knife fight each other. If you fight them at their game you will lose. They will try to fight you in the branding game, but if you have the skillset, you have a good chance of winning because they all pick crap like GOLDENLIKE for their name and horribly photoshopped crap that inspires zero confidence in premium buyers.

This is a long ass post, but if it even helps one of you guys, that's good enough. Amazon is hard, I get it. It's not fair, it's mind numbingly frustrating but it's still where the opportunity is, which is why we still chase it.

The catch is that the opportunity requires ever greater amounts of skill and effort. The successful Amazon operator today would have murdered the competition in the early days and it's not even close. But if you read into that statement, 5 years from now, everyone left standing will have murdered those of us here today. This is the squid game Jeff demands that you play if you want the money. You just have to keep getting better.

Good luck.

Trailing 30. True margin +5% due to improvement on landed COGS.

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