How European are Mixed People. A Short Analysis
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How European are Mixed People. A Short Analysis

This is from a twitter user and addresses an interesting point about mixed peoples genetic relation to europe.

It's a pretty common and simple concept that many people here already understand. If you mix two people of more or less related ethnicities it affects how genetically close they are to said ethnicity. In the case here when taking european ethnicities, they are most closely related to west asians and very european shifted central asians, followed by north africans. They are further from noticeably mixed(as in 20%+ east eurasian including ancient ancestral south indian and sub saharan african admixture) part west eurasian ethnicities and groups such as south asians, horn africans, central asians, and most modern latinos(who are mixes of european, sub saharan african, and indigenous amerindian). Europeans are very far from east eurasians such as east and southeast asians, aboriginal and papuan people, polynesians, and amerindians, and the farthest from sub saharan africans.

Therefore if someone is a mix between west asians or north africans for example, they will plot noticeably close to european ethnicities on a pca. Ashkenazi jews and north caucasian(as in the caucasus mountains, not scandinavian people, scandinavians are very much europeans) ethnicities are great examples of this, both are mixes of west asian and european groups and are still quite close with european ethnicities on a pca. The image here uses a moern example of a spaniard for european and syrian for west asian, and they also plot among the border area of the southern italian and greek mediteranean island areas.

On the other hand as illustrated in the image above, european and say amerindian or mulato/lightskin(sub saharan african and european) mixed people will be noticeably more distant from europeans genetically. Even a small amount of admixture from these groups can shift someone noticeably away from europe genetically due to how distant these people are from europe.

Lastly I don't want to turn this into a purity debate or anything of the sorts, especially since phenotype does not equal genotype, although there is a strong correlation. This is often why you will see many europeans mixed with west asian or north african ethnicities just "appear european" or white, but that tends not to hold up for someone mixed with east eurasian or sub saharan african ethnicities. For example looking at many celebrities, mainly european mother west asia or north african father, like Bella Hadid, or even Zayn Malik(european and part south asian) nearly all of them are "white/european appearing" especially if their non european parent is as well. On the other hand the average mexican is somewhere around 40% european and 60% amerindian, but no one would say that the average mexican looks european, you'd be hard pressed to even find northern mexicans with higher european admixture, where people would say that.

u/kingjohngreen — 13 hours ago

Armenians, Assyrians, Turks, Persians, Azeris, Syrians, who do you feel closest to?

Could be in culture, mutual respect and national friendliness, etc.

I only included other northwest asian regions firmly in the kurdistan surrounding area, I know kurds say they feel close to other somewhat nearby groups like albanians, but i doubt you'd have historical interaction with them outside of enjoying tea together in a Munich cafe.

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u/kingjohngreen — 1 day ago

Why did Savage Opress get "nerfed" and change so much?

I noticed Savage Opress started out looking or seeming incredibly strong. He would tnk blaster shots and in a similar way to Grievous, albeit with more training beforehand, he beat a Jedi knight and padawan armed only with a pike/scythe weapon and despite his size, was able to easily sidestep the knight and move around with ease.

He proceeds to be beating anakin and obi wan 2v1 and at a point, albeit with both being distracted, chokes dooku and asajj for a bit. He continues to beat anakin and obi wan before taking fire from tons of droids with ease and nearly force crushing all of them.

In season 4 we see little of him but we get grievous stating savage was no match for him when they trained together. But there wasn't much else. In season 5 however it all unravels. First Maul dominates him , then Kenobi beats he and Maul together, badly injuring Savage, after that he beats Adi Galia with some struggle. After losing to Kenobi he gives embo a decent fight and has him on the run, but loses to Pre Vizla. Then he fights Sidious and is swinging into his strikes like when he first trained with Dooku in seaosn 3, the complete opposite of his athleticism and speed in season 3 versus the Jedi knight. Obviously Sidious would've killed him with ease no matter what, but you'd expect savage to not have his form totally deteriorate.

On top of this, in season 3 with just taps and smacks the nightsisters can change his mind, he kills his brother with ease, who he previously helped fight Asajj. Later though he becomes much more shy, telling Maul there is no need for dominance, getting put in his place, etc. He also acts far less strategically, in seaosn 3 he knew to destroy anakin and obi wan's jedi shuttle before bringing the toydarian king's corpse to dooku while they were chasing, and in season 5 he is randomly kicking cans and smashing book cases when he gets into the space station vault with Maul. He also tries destroying the droids pre viszla used to help heal savage's injuries when he was found with Maul freezing to death in space.

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u/kingjohngreen — 4 days ago

Why does Grievous Often only use 2 arms in TCW?

I noticed Grievous usually only uses 2 arms when fighting in TCW and when losing he runs away versus using all four, really weird. It's like he was given orders not to go all out, or wanted to save the 4 arm trick for when he needed to. Is there any explanation for why?

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u/kingjohngreen — 4 days ago

Silly Question/Statement on Turks? the castizos of anatolia

I saw someone on facebook say most turkish people are just the castizo latinos, to greek and armenians spaniards and portugese.

Obviously the ethnogenesese of modern castizos versus turkish people in say adana , are different, but it's funny how accurate that is.

Obviously turkish people would be the argentina/uruguay in this case as they are majority west eurasian.

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u/kingjohngreen — 13 days ago

Why do balochis get such high zagros in g25?

When I say this I am referring to the big 3 of balochistan, makranis, balochis, brahuis.

Everyone says that they still get extremely high only surpassed by some persians, but not overpoweringly high or over 50%, like high 30s-low 40s in qpadm as opposed to 48-60 in g25.

I'm wondering why this is the case. Did they do what they did with caucasians and shove all of their caucasus hunter gatherer and some ehg into it?

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u/kingjohngreen — 13 days ago

Could vulture droids and droid gunships go into hyperdrive?

In the Clone Wars during the "staged" invasion of scipio, when the seperatist fleet comprised of 3 munificent frigates, a providence dreadnaught, and 2 droid supply ships, with landing craft on board, come out of hyperspace, a group of vulture droids and droid gunships exit with them. At first many would think they simply flew out of the providences hangar very fast, but no, they come out of hyperspace with the fleet.

If I remember as well, there was a chance(they have have circled around as well) a droid gunship came out of nowhere to attack the republic shuttle that was suppoed to carry Tup to Kamino originally.

From what I understood neither of these ships were able to, but it appears they did in the first case and potentially the gunship in the second.

We also know droid gunships were weakened as the war went on in new canon, as it seems they lost their ability to transport droids and their lower level laser cannon and grenade shielding capabilities, by episode 3 as the seppies had to cut costs on specifications and armament to keep their strength in numbers approach up.

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u/kingjohngreen — 15 days ago

What do you consider to be the hudson river valley Range?

Theoretically it could be anything from the fort lee area up to fort edward.

Most people I see use it to refer to the area from exit 16 to 19 on the thruway and occasionally up to albany, as well as everything on the east of the river to the CT and Mas borders.

I also wonder what most peoples western border is. Most people seem to consider Monticello or Middletown part of the Valley but not say Binghamton or Oneonta, which are fully considered mountain cities.

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u/kingjohngreen — 18 days ago

What caused parts of East Newburgh to Become so Dilapidated/Ghetto/dangerous?

south williams st

Areas like south williams street, benkard ave, williams st, renwick st, lander st, chamber street, city terrace, lutheran street, little monument st, johnston st. These areas look like north philly, west baltimore, 45 Berlin, and 1995 grozny, russia had a baby. Revitalization has changed some of them but the sidewalks are still fucked, graffiti is prevalent on the level of places only south of white plains, trash everywhere, small sidewalks with row houses crammed together, half boarded up. Also, unlike some dilapidated towns in europe or the middle east, those areas of newburgh are or were as dangerous as they look, some crazy horror stories that make even parts of Mott haven or Brownsville in NYC look tame.

On the other hand, some parts of the city like north of south street/gidney, west of robinson/9w barring the lake house housing complex, west of lutheran, south of renwick, look much nicer and a lot more like a normal expectation of a small city in the rural hudson valley. The most dirty parts of poughkeepsie or midtown kingston still look far better than the bowels of newburgh.

It just doesn't make sense for an overall valley area that looks like somewhere in slovakia or dagestan, to have this little ball of hell like a black dot that shares nothing in common with the outside area.

Also how the 76 lander st boarded up trap hasn't collapsed after all these years is a miracle.

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u/kingjohngreen — 20 days ago

Are huns and avars really that "asian"? Pls Read

I am not syaing these groups are european and not central asian, don't get it twisted by the phrasing.

Also this is about the turkic nomadic central asian avars not the southeast european caucasian avars.

I meant that in g25 they often get like 60-80% east eurasian. I've seen some qpadms for avars in hungary. It seems as time passed most of them mixed more with european groups, anf and whg went up, east eurasian went down, but the change was minor. Most samples were consistently mid 30's east eurasian with few in the 40s or 20s.

On the other hand for magyar conquerers the common sample has them around 25% east eurasian although there is an eastern magyar sample from russia that in specific is very ehg heavy and also around 45% east eurasian. It seems magyars in the west mixed heavily with hungarians and mixed hungarian magyars often mixed with more magyars, where as with the avars, they didn't mix as much.

Huns are interesting. Krygz hun samples are around 35% east eurasian and have a lot of steppe from all over, they seem similar to uzbeks, west tatars sort of, and to a degree turkmen genetically. There is also an eastern sample though from kazakhstan that looks to be 75% east eurasian 25% sintashta and is very east eurasia heavy. While we don't have really any hungary samples from what I've seen to compare, it seems like the mongols, huns mixed less with the people they conquered, compared to avars and magyars.

Overall it seems these groups were very similar to early turkics around 55-65% west eurasian and 35-45% east eurasian, not being extremely east eurasian shifted on average.

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u/kingjohngreen — 23 days ago

What do you think is impressive weight relative to bodyweight on seated good mornings?

They are basically good mornings but you sit down on a bench, sort of in a box squat position with your legs out wide, and bend down as low as you can go with the barbell on your back, around to where your chest touches the pads, then back up. They are a tough lift.

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u/kingjohngreen — 23 days ago

Do you think Phrygians are European?

They apparently were the product of balkan settlers coming to anatolia and mixing with locals, very high anatolian neolithic farmer, around 30% znf+chg in qpadms, and under 10 natufian.

The question is though, they have like 5% ehg and no whg, although technically they should have low east eurasian+ane and also basal eurasian admixture compared to non european groups. I would like to do a basal era qpadm run on them.

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u/kingjohngreen — 24 days ago

What ethnicities are lemko, hutsuls, closest to?

They are apparently very close to the earliest slavs. Illustrative is really good with caucasian mountain ethnicities but seems to have nothing on the carpathian mountain ones.

If I had to guess they plot somewhere between west slavs and south slavs/yugoslavs/northern balkans, with maybe a tiny east slav pull.

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u/kingjohngreen — 25 days ago
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Little Ukraine in Manhattan? I thought that Was in Brighton Beach, Little Odessa?

I saw posts about an old nyc ethnic enclaves map that the mayor or someone posted online, and the main drama was over old italian enclaves in the Bronx that have mainly lost their italian populations.

But I saw a "little ukraine" in Manhattan in an area that as far as I know is heavily transplants, where as the real little ukraine from what everyone says is in Southwestern Brookyln.

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u/kingjohngreen — 25 days ago

What was the Ethnogenesis of Balkan Turks Like?

Not ethnic balkans that moved to Turkey, but people who identify as ethnically turkish in Bulgaria listed "southern bulgaria turkish" and "northern bulgaria turkish" in the encyclopedia.

Juging from their closest pops in qpadm like high east asian bulgarian medieval muslims, it appears they would have similar whg and znf+chg to osuthern yugoslavs and bulgarians, with anf around 40, ehg similar to most eastern turks, higher than west turks but lower than balkan ethnicites, and similar east eurasian to northwest turkey turks.

Were they just anatolian turkish people that moved west and mixed with balkans, or oghuz turks breeding with balkans in a similar way that they did with anatolians. It appears the former, given the fact these balkan turks seem to in both the illustrative encyclopedia, and qpadm, have such a high amount of east eurasian dna that they wouldn't have unless they mixed with southwestern turkish people.

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u/kingjohngreen — 25 days ago
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Who was a Star You Felt Could've Gotten One Last Title Run, and it just Fizzled out?

I am mainly talking world titles here, a guy you felt had 1 last run in the tank and they didn't put the belt on.

Like if surprise 2018 Kane won the universal title in the rumble.

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u/kingjohngreen — 26 days ago