u/knotaracist

I’ll try to keep this structured. Just in case HxG staff lurks here. Like it so it’s visible. That darned contract they don’t seem to want to release Manon from is doing a lot of heavy lifting for them and that’s a fact. Okay here goes.

- That movie/documentary release (I did not purchase any tickets and there’s a great review about how it was just an ad and bait to draw attention to their project) did not mention Manon negatively. HxG seems to be learning. Slowly. But they still name dropped Manon.

- There is a movement going on to boycott HxG and everything they’re involved with until they either release a statement, do a staff cleanse, train their staff how NOT to be racist, and, if they want Manon fans interested again, to redo everything Manon wasn’t included in especially music videos. To show they have realized their mistakes and how they crushed the hearts of all the kids teens and adults that are (half)black by their actions against Manon.

- If Sophia’s hiatus is going to be used as a way to force Manon back in the group, especially with how Manon was treated like Voldemort and now all of a sudden she’s being mentioned by the group after the documentary didn’t make any noise.. it’s either they’re gearing up to use and abuse Manon round 2, or they’ve finally realized they need Manon and that Manon has a lot of supporters that were lost when they forced her into a hiatus. They mentioned their “sister” Sophia but not Manon even though the crowd was screaming Manon’s name a couple days before their documentary dropped. But after the documentary basically made no splashes and evil edited two reviewers.. now all of a sudden Manon is remembered on stage.

- If they pull their contract over Manon and force her to return against her will.. they need to honor her terms. I haven’t seen anything happening in their choreography post-Manon that indicates Manon couldn’t keep up. If anything, she’s going to eat it up and leave no crumbs.

- Nobody wants Manon under HxG. Nobody. They don’t even treat her well. But the contract is there and they’re going to refuse to let her go, it seems, and use her as much as they possibly can. So I’ll personally be side eyeing everything till Manon is free, and even after, I’ll be checking for any blacklisting and blast any company that folds for HxG blacklisting Manon in the industry. Any company that tries to silence her or folds to a blacklist should be boycotted cause it’s 2026. HxG should feel more confident about their choices and learn to realize that it’s about Manon for Pokenons, not about HxG.

- Let’s all channel our inner Manon and resist any type of company bullying no matter its form. We’ve seen that it works to speak up cause HxG stays trying to change the narrative against one single dolphin laughing girl!

Resist and boycott. Never fold. Love you all! And this is going into helping all the young boys and girls and in betweens so they won’t face racism or other forms of discrimination and mistreatment for daring to gain fans against the company’s will.

PSA there’s a Dear Manon and a Boycott HxG and a release the statement movement going on rn. Idk if Reddit will allow it. *****

The reach and homework people do against her is so funny. The narrative against her continues to change based on what people want to excuse when it comes to others but not Manon.

And honestly, if she’s such a “terrible” person to work with, why are they holding on to her? Why do they need to name drop her whenever they want views and attention for their projects?

We’re tired. Manon has fans and supporters. It’s time to boycott so they’ll release her or have her go solo. Blacklisting Manon means a blacklist for them. No we won’t budge idgaf what they try.

Every time that group releases anything, it’s like they’re spitting on every black and half black girl on this planet by making their only (half) black member miss out on over 6 months of projects.

The more they hold on to her and hold her career hostage, the more they prove that Manon isn’t what they want so bad to make her out to be. They let Garam go, and let Lexie go twice.

Manon is clearly not the issue here. And I’m sick of her ops pretending that she is.

When Arya was sitting in front of the black and white doors after the elderly man shut it in her face. She was a child. She was alone. She’d lost pretty much all of her family. She tried to go to her big brother and ended up in a strange nation on her own. It was her last hope.

But she was so resilient and kept herself together by holding on to the list of her enemies’ names that she narrated over and over again.

That part of the show always makes my heart break. I can’t imagine how many children on this earth have had to find themselves alone on some staircase/steps after having a door shut in their faces.

The other scene that also makes me sad in the show is when her youngest brother Rickon dies. 💔💔

What’s the saddest part of the show for you?

**TAG PR that HYBE bought and has also defended EPSTEIN in the past and always seems to only do smear campaigns against women.

Is so top tier she was just stuck in a situation with folks that will never be on the same level as her when it comes to skills, self-care, advocacy, leadership (yes I said leadership), and teamwork.

She’s proven that even if you aren’t experienced in singing/dancing, you can out do those that have the experience.

She’s proven that she was the only one actually scouted.

She’s proven that she was miles ahead at being able to deliver while also advocating against the unrealistic (slavery ahem) contracts and expectations.

She’s proven that she won’t stand up for toxicity and won’t tolerate any unreasonable work requirements.

She’s proven that she won’t bend or break for any company for the sake of fame.

She’s proven that you don’t need to throw petty shots against your enemies, it’s better to let your enemy’s lies and narratives collapse on their own cause they have no leg to stand on.

She’s proven the racism allegations were there because whenever the non black members do what she does, they don’t get a smear campaign against them even though Manon always gets that.

I don’t think any of the Katseye girls are anywhere on her level about not being used and abused. That “Live to Work” thing is insane and I’m glad Manon didn’t fold.

At the end of the day, she’s just on a whole other level that’s too complex for some people and that’s okay.

And lastly, she should be freed from the contract if HxG can’t actually honor the health and wellbeing of those they sign on with especially if HxG demands and expects their groups to be overworked to the point of extreme exhaustion.

I mean how bad is HxG if Lexie quit twice and even Sophia the company’s #1 fan had to take a health break?

Talk about unevolved and slavery contracts cause boy oh boy I sure am glad Manon said “NOPE!” to all that.

She had so many chances to call the cops but continued to be close to David. Neo too. The smell of a blood soaked car would have been noticeable. If you’re a girl and have had periods you know what I’m talking about. Blood stinks if it’s a small amount that got a chance to get on the fabric of your clothes even for a little bit.

A blood soaked car must have stank to the high heavens especially in the warmer months.

This will piss off the pedo defenders and everyone who loves to blame the victim and their families instead of the actual murderer.

Blaming a minor for being groomed by an adult, raped multiple times, murdered, dismembered and left to rot in the front truck of said adult that is also rich and a celebrity is sick.

Short of actually imprisoning Celeste at home.. what COULD her family have done to keep David from accessing her?

So far:

1. Celeste’s family reported David to authorities and had authorities go to David’s home and ask him if he’d knew where Celeste was. David intentionally LIED to law enforcement. Text evidence showed that he raped Celeste during the time the cops showed up. The timeline is available on this subreddit for with the texts uploaded now and people have been screenshotting and backing it up every single time it got updates. This can’t be hidden or denied. Cops went to his house and didn’t save Celeste.
2. Celeste had an abortion that David was aware of and supported. Then he had a stream with her two days after where she referenced him raping minors. This was a cry for help. Her minor body was still recovering from a pregnancy and the removal of said pregnancy and she used a whole platform to allude to what David did to her. Yet nobody saved Celeste.
3. Her family took her phones away and sent her to her aunt to try and keep David from accessing her. David paid underaged kids to get a secret phone to Celeste so he could continue having access to Celeste. As an adult, he was deliberately going against what her family and loved ones set up as blocks to protect her from him.
4. Celeste had friends and family send emails to David’s management, post stuff on David’s socials and his Discord about what he was doing to Celeste. Nobody saved Celeste.
5. David’s alleged hookup Aysia Collins was informed of Celeste’s age and shown the runaway missing poster. Nobody saved Celeste.

There’s probably more that will come out in the end. But David exhausted every single way they tried to put up blocks to protect her from him. Short of actually imprisoning Celeste at home and not allowing her to set foot outside.. there was no way to keep David from her.

So everyone is intentionally ignoring that David didn’t have to involve himself sexually with a minor. Nobody in David’s camp or life was forcing him to actually be attracted to minors instead of girls his own age. Nobody was forcing David to groom minors. Nobody forced him to see Celeste and rape her frequently or get an abortion to protect his career. Nobody forced him to lure her to his home and murder her.

Getting angry at a 12/13/14 year old for threatening to expose a grown adult for everything he did to her after finding out he was seeing other girls and wasn’t serious about everything he lied to her about while he was grooming her is insane.

Getting angry at her family when David was continuously and purposefully continuing to find every way to get to Celeste even when they made it clear they’re not okay with it and called cops on David is insane. Cause the biggest evidence that they weren’t okay with David was when they sent cops to his house and David lied to the cops.

So that justifies David’s grooming, raping, murdering, dismembering, and leaving her body to decompose in his trunk? A girl he groomed since she was 11 years old online. We’re just gonna ignore that David didn’t have to do anything with a minor. He could have easily dated girls his own age. And you know, chosen not to murder and dismember someone and leave their corpse to rot in his front trunk.

One more time. Y’all literally want to blame Celeste , her parents and her family for a grown adult grooming, raping, murdering, dismembering and the leaving her body to rot in his car for months?

It sounds like her parents actually tried but David found ways every time around them to continue doing what he was doing to Celeste. They took her phones away and he paid a bunch of kids to give her another one. All the operation awesome David mentioned always tied to cops being called at her residence and then Celeste getting raped by him. Look at the timeline post on this subreddit. Heck look at the reports from court. It’s a pattern. Cops get called, Celeste ends up at David’s and gets raped. The stream they had was literally a few days after her abortion procedure that David was aware of and supported.

David was literally planning moves around everything her family did to get the girl, r*pe her then send her back home to her family just to do it all over again at his pleasure🤮🤢🤢🤮

Sounds like David’s mom also either knew or had strong suspicions that his son was raping a minor but she didn’t turn him in like she should have. The texts allude to this and in fact I wouldn’t be shocked if his mom or both parents were involved with helping hide or dispose of the murder weapon. Probably why his mom seems super confident and David acts like he’s going to walk free and is sticking to the not guilty plea.

Celeste’s parents are working immigrants that seem on the regular side of life. Not rich or wealthy. There’s no way they can go against a celebrity with what is appearing to be a batshit crazy mom and winning. If the cops couldn’t do anything.. what could they do? It sucks that they would allow them to “date” but David seems like he was persistent and sneaky and manipulative when it came to Celeste. Her parents were dealing with a rich celebrity predator that could convince their daughter to run away multiple times.

They had no chance. David was going to get what he wanted in the end and he did. Until he decided to kill the daughter of the parents that invited him to church and allowed him to “date” their daughter even though she was a minor as a means to keep her safe at at home instead of on the run with David.

Back to the point. Celeste’s family DID report that Celeste was with David and cops came to David’s home for a welfare check to look for Celeste. They did have friends and family let David’s manger and even Aysia and his discord know that David was with a minor. Even David’s brother said that David lied to him about Celeste.

Yet David’s mom and dad never turned David in, or even spoke about anything. In fact they quickly started moving David’s money around to keep Celeste’s family from accessing it in a civil lawsuit. This subreddit is full of evidence people have been saving and screenshotting etc since the story broke. It’s almost as if David’s parents knew and know what really happened and are trying to protect the $$. It seems like it’s always about $$ with the Burkes.

I have a bad taste in my mouth for what I’m about to say but Celeste died and she didn’t have to die:

It sounds like David screwed himself over by winning the trust of Celeste’s parents enough to be invited to church by her family and be allowed to “date” their underaged daughter with their consent if she was going to keep running away with him. This is what made sure the dad called when the news broke and her body was able to be identified. But it seems like they don’t know their rights so they’ve not been on top of this case the way David’s parents immediately did.

Sounds like David screwed himself over again by not being faithful to the minor he was grooming even having her abort at a tender age. Even after being allowed to “date” her by her parents. He had the career, the money, everything he ever wanted. He could have chosen to wait till she was 18. Instead, he killed her in the worst way and left her in his front trunk.. that was his decision and choice. Celeste didn’t have to die. And there’s no one forcing predators to groom and abuse minors it’s all their choice. Instead we have people coming out to make excuses for them.

ETA: let the pdfile supporters explain to me how Celeste’s parents could control the actions of the rich celebrity predator grooming their daughter? If it were up to them their daughter would be alive. They didn’t force David to groom minors online and then graduate to manipulating their family into allowing him to be around her all because he wanted to rape her. In the end, David chose to do everything he did to Celeste on his own and he needs to be held accountable for his own actions. Celeste’s parents did what they could but there was no way to stop David especially after the police and David’s manager were alerted and nothing changed.

ETA*2: I’m being told not to be around minors and called a child for posting about stuff that can be confirmed with the evidence material by pedophile defenders that want to draw attention away from the fact that David didn’t have to groom minors or target minors from vulnerable communities. He literally didn’t have to rape, murder, dismember and the leave Celeste to rot in his frunk. If it makes me wrong to blame a pedophile for his actions then I’m okay with that I’ll nerve support pedophilia.

I love her so much. But idk what to do because it’s pushing me away from her and she won’t let me actually comfort her.

Her mom hates her and tried to actually get rid of her permanently from living since she gave birth to her and one of those instances is her earliest memory. Her dad abandoned her mom immediately after she fell pregnant and dipped. So her mom I guess decided to take it out on my Scorpio sun friend.

She’s a Scorpio ☀️ definitely because of her birthday but she doesn’t know any other details of when she was born so we can’t get a real chart. She does display something more earthy and stern like Capricorn as her ascendant. We tried to use her relatives’ recollection from her growing up and narrowed down the most likely or closest chart but I guess she’ll never truly know.

She’s just so broken but won’t allow anyone to truly comfort her even showing empathy for her kind of makes her shut down. Which I get it if her own mom did stuff to her then of course it would be difficult to trust any other human being.

But I’m also human. And it does sting and hurt because my feelings are genuine and I want her to know that she is loved without any strings attached but it seems like that makes her shut down harder. The moments she forgets and comes out of her inner Scorpio den she’s the most beautiful human being ever.

What do I do? Sometimes she shuts me down so severely when I’m just trying to be there and make sure she understands that I’m not leaving and that I just care about her and it actually hurts me. I don’t know if I can take that from someone I love dearly for the rest of our lives!

Oh she picks relationships where she’s being used for something (someone got surgery and dates her so she can help them recover then finds and excuse to dump her once they’re able to go back to their normal lives, etc). And then she takes that as confirmation for everything she’s been through and the only way I can describe it is she seems to believe she deserves it and that breaks my heart too much and then we’re back to cycle of me trying to comfort her and I get shut down brutally and it hurts my feelings that she can’t seem to see that I’m genuine and she’s placing me in the same category as her mom and those men.

So.. Manon is no longer in the group and she doesn’t even signify Katseye in any of her socials so when does it get weird to post about her.

Also, why does HxG keep using Manon’s name and image in their Kasteye shit?

At what point would it be normalized to stop using and fishing for the black demographic to support Katseye?

To snarkers from a snarker: Manon isn’t in that group and doesn’t have Katseye on anything affiliated with her anymore.. time to bury the act and focus on OT5 cause it’s a bit pathetic to continue adding Manon into the group and all talks about the group and using her name and image towards anything associated with Katseye cause it makes snarkers look racist/pathetic and like HxG simps doing the same thing HxG is doing: trying to associate Manon with a group she’s clearly no longer involved with.

If you’re a snarker, are you also racist? Are you HxG shills? Are you just Manon haters? Cause if you’re just a Manon hater then it’s time to create a snark sub for Manon alone. Affiliating her with Katseye is making it look desperate and like she’s necessary for them to even be spoken about. It’s giving the company doesn’t believe in the other girls enough and always needs Manon inserted into the conversation for the others to even be relevant to the black demographic.

Everything bad that happened to them can be traced to that first documentary. None of them had any control over how they were portrayed.

If fans stand up for them, our accounts get banned, and posts removed.

It’s sad to watch it happen irl.

But yeah all of the death threats and racism and toxicity can be traced back to that documentary.

Just curious

For instance, I’ve noticed nobody likes to be called out for their fuck ups.

Power tripping folks can’t handle accountability.

Which subreddits are comfortable speaking about uncomfortable shit?