Pies vs stews, porridge, and bread

I'm coming up on my first winter in my first ever playthrough (yay!) and, while I think I should have enough food stocked up to last all the way through, I've started to wonder about the math behind satiety and the most effective way to use ingredients...

Some of the information is from my own testing and some is from the wiki pages on bread, pies, and cooking. If anything is inaccurate, please let me know and I'll come back later and edit the post to reflect the better information!

So, as far as I can tell, when it comes to grains, we have the following calculations:

  • Raw rye grain: 60 satiety
  • Cooked rye bread: 300 satiety
  • One piece of rye in a rye porridge: 240 satiety (+1 minute of frozen hunger)
  • One piece of rye in a pie crust: 240 satiety

When it comes to other ingredients, information is a lot more sparse:

  • Most fruits and vegetables gain 1.5x satiety from being cooked in a stew or porridge compared to being eaten raw (and don't forget that, again, stews and porridges freeze your hunger bar for 30 seconds for every 100 satiety they provide)
  • I could not find this on the wiki, but as far as I can tell, pies give the same exact 1.5x modifier to cooked fruits and veggies (but pies do not freeze the hunger bar)
  • Meat seems to give the same amount of satiety (e.g., 420 for red meat) in stews and pies

What about shelf life then? And how much you can take on adventures?

  • Cooked rye bread: 8-day shelf life, stacks to 32, for 9,600 satiety
  • Burnt rye bread: 17-day shelf life, stacks to 48, for 10,080 satiety
  • Cooked meat pie slices: 8-day shelf life, stacks to 32, for 26,880 satiety
  • Charred meat pie slices: 12-day shelf life, stacks to 32, for 20,160 satiety
  • Cooked meat pie (not sliced): 8-day shelf life, stacks to 32, for 107,520 satiety, but you also need to bring a table and a knife, so 35,840 53,760 satiety per slot
  • Cooked meat pie (not sliced): 12-day shelf life, stacks to 32, for 80,640 satiety, but you also need to bring a table and a knife, so 26,880 40,320 satiety per slot
  • Hefty meat stew in sealed crock: 50(?)-day shelf life, 4 servings, for 6,720 satiety, but you also need to bring a bowl, so 3,360 satiety per slot
  • Hefty meat stew in cooking pot: 5(?)-day shelf life, 6 servings, for 10,080 satiety, but you also need to bring a bowl, so 5,040 satiety per slot

So I think that my conclusion is that stews and porridges are the best food to eat at home. You can seal them in crocks and they will easily last over a year, plus space at home is not limited. And for adventures, I think I'll mostly use bread. But maybe pies/burnt pies if I think I'll be running the whole time or otherwise burning through loads of food (or for multiplayer -- if you have more than one person to keep fed!).

Anyhow, what do you guys think -- is this correct?

Also, again, I'm very new to Vintage Story and the information I'm working with is a little limited, so please let me know if anything is inaccurate, and I'll update the post!

EDITS:

  1. You don't need to put pies on a table to cut them - just do it in the crafting area with a knife!
  2. The mechanic where hunger is stopped is complicated and may soon be getting a rework. It might be shorter (e.g., based only on the main ingredient, not the full meal). Take any considerations of it with a block of halite.
u/luckyrunner — 1 day ago

My account was permanently disabled with zero warning or explanation!

I've had this Facebook account for over 20 years. It's my personal account and the only one I've ever used.

About 30 minutes ago, out of nowhere, I got an email saying my account was suspended and I had 180 days to do something about it. 20 minutes later, I got an email saying my review was unsuccessful and my account has been permanently disabled. Another 5 minutes later, I got a text saying Facebook thinks my account was hacked and I should log in, but it's still not letting me.

I have no idea what to do or who to contact. Any help would be appreciated!

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u/luckyrunner — 10 days ago

How do you avoid constantly starving to death?

I just got Vintage Story and it's such a cool game! I've been playing for about 7 hours and just finally got my first copper tools!

I haven't played Minecraft before so the game controls and crafting system are very new to me. But I have played many survival-crafting games like Valheim, Enshrouded, Ark, Raft, Forest, and Icarus, so at least there's that.

My main question is how to get more food? I'm playing on a standard world and haven't changed any settings other than making seasons a bit longer.

I've found maybe 20 or so mushrooms, but they barely restore much food. I've found about a dozen berry bushes, but many are taking ages to ripen and berries also give little food. I've got a few turnips and onions. I've gotten just a few pieces of meat as I haven't been hunting much. I've planted every single seed I've found and every berry bush cutting I made, but nothing has matured yet.

At this point, my gameplay loop is just going on a short resource-gathering adventure, coming home just in time to starve to death, respawning, and repeating. I just have no idea how to get enough food to outpace the food drain in the game. I've probably starved and respawned 20-30 times over the course of my playthrough.

I'm sure I'm just missing something as a new player, so any advice would be appreciated. Do I need to hunt more? Forage more? Just play faster so that the little food I do have goes further?

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u/luckyrunner — 10 days ago

How would you rank the existing ASA maps?

I've fully played through The Island, Scorched Earth, and Aberration -- they were all amazing and each one brought something new to the table.

I've only just started out on The Center, Extinction, and Astraeos (and I haven't yet touched Lost Colony, Valuero, or Ragnarok). Extinction and Astraeos both seem absolutely amazing. But I'm finding The Center a bit too similar to The Island.

Anyhow, I'm wondering -- how would you rank all the ASA maps you've played? What have you liked or disliked about the ones you've tried?

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u/luckyrunner — 12 days ago

How to solo alpha Rockwell with an army and no cactus broth

Friends -- I just did it and I'm so excited! Here's how...

Not too long ago I made a post asking you all how to approach this fight. Thank you so much for all your advice, especially to u/6210classick, for all the detailed information and ideas. My goals were as follows:

  • To do the fight on single player (no timer and much higher weapon/saddle caps)
  • To use a full army of dinos (more orbs spawn than when on foot)
  • To not use cactus broth (everything aggros onto you like normal)
  • To retain my typical PVP settings (cannot shoot off the back of Rock Drakes)

I did the three fights (Gamma, Beta, Alpha) pretty much back-to-back and in order. The strategy I decided to go for was 1 Baryonyx, 1 Bulbdog, and 18 Megalosaurs.

Starting with Gamma, I whistled my army to Rockwell, while I rode around the arena shotgunning tentacles off the back of my Bary. It was OK, but I almost fully went through my two best ascendant flak sets, so it felt like I was cutting it close. However, I noticed on a couple of occasions that the orbs hit my Megalosaurs, which gave me an idea.

For Beta and Alpha, instead of whistling my army to Rockwell, I kept them on follow (max distance, attack my target) the entire time. And let me tell you, Beta was a breeze! I didn't even go through a single Flak set. Alpha was a bit tougher, but I had only just switched to my second armour set before finishing the fight.

The trick was that as I ran around the arena, shotgunning tentacles as before, my Megalosaurs would kill Reapers and Nameless trailing behind me, eat the odd tentacle or two, and (most importantly) get hit by most of the orbs that were chasing me. And then, when Rockwell was vulnerable, I just shot at him myself as my army was usually spread all around the arena or only just catching up to me.

So, as simple as it sounds, that's all there is to it -- just keep your army on follow instead of by Rockwell and it becomes super easy!

I had also considered riding a Stego instead of a Bary if I failed, since their spines can apparently "catch" a lot of the orbs and prevent them from damaging you, but this was wholly unnecessary. I also barely made use of the assault rifle that I brought specifically for shooting down the orbs.

For anyone wanting more stats/info:

  • My shotgun was ~519%
  • My flak had ~300-1000 armour and ~600-1200 durability
  • My Bary's saddle had ~205 armour, and he had 53 points and 80 levels into health
  • My Megalos' saddles had ~200-250 armour, and they had 51 points and 40 levels into health, and 51 points and 33-34 points into melee
  • I ate Enduro Stew, Calien Soup, Lazarus Chowder, and Shadowsteak Sautee; I had water and cooked lamb chops, but did not end up needing a single med brew for any of the three fights
  • All my combat-related settings are normal (aka official)
  • As you can see, I use a handful of mods (Vanilla with Sprinkles, Dino Depot), but again, nothing that impacts damage or combat in any way
u/luckyrunner — 17 days ago

I gave birth to my first ever reaper!

This was such an absolute saga! I tried to get pregnant so many times, but things kept going wrong, necessitating new attempts:

  • Tames weren't set to passive and accidentally ate Queen
  • Riot shield broke
  • Hazard suit broke
  • Queen fell off cliff
  • Tame took too much damage and had to retreat altogether
  • Just not getting the "tail grab" no matter what and giving up

I honestly still don't know what finally made it work. After dozens and dozens of attempts, I wanted to get any random Queen to impregnate me just for practice. But then this 150 beauty spawned with 35 health pre-tame (thanks, Tek Binoculars!), so I knew I had to make it work.

I lured her to the blue zone and must have spent 20 minutes hopping on and off my Rock Drake, turning on and off my Bulbdog, killing Nameless, and keeping her below 2K health. I went through two and a half ascendant riot shields. My Rock Drake was on its last legs despite a godly saddle. I was about to give up. But finally, out of nowhere, I randomly got grabbed! I have no idea what I was doing wrong or what I finally did right, but what matters is now I have my boy!

Behold! He came out as level 233 (I'm level 165, which gives a 1.06 host multiplier), with 55 points into health, which I daresay is absolutely absurd. And I think his colours are pretty cool too. Anyway, I'm just very proud and wanted to share!

Also, if anyone could hazard a guess as to what I was doing wrong for so long and what finally caused the Queen to impregnate me, please do let me know! Maybe after beating Alpha Rockwell and getting to level 180, I'll try to give him a brother 😄

u/luckyrunner — 18 days ago

Do reapers inherit their mom's stats?

I've seen numerous posts, videos, and comments about this, and there does not seem to be a consensus.

Obviously, the Reaper Queen's level and your level are both very important. If anyone is curious, the formula is:

  • Embryo = Queen + (Player - 150) * 0.6 * (Queen / 150).

So if you are level 165 and find a level 150 queen, you should get: 150 + (165 - 150) * 0.6 * (150 / 150) = 159. Plus the 75 bonus levels from earning XP should bring you to 234.

However, has anyone actually definitively tested whether the reaper mom's actual stats are transferred to the baby, or if the baby's stats are randomly rolled irrespective of mom's stats?

A few [potentially related] examples from the game:

  • I haven't tested if Wyverns and Rock Drakes inherit their parents' stats, but I can say for sure that multiple eggs from the same Wyvern or Rock Drake will hatch into babies with identical stats to each other, suggesting that the stats are not randomized
  • Rhyniognatha babies inherit a mix of stats from both the mom and the sacrificial dino, so the stats are not randomized

However, this still is not actual proof one way or the other and just adds to the speculation. Has anyone actually done any real testing or or obtained irrefutable evidence of how it works?

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u/luckyrunner — 21 days ago

Warbench and tinkering bench and Helicoprion mechanics

I have recently started experimenting a bit with the War Bench and Tinkering Bench and was surprised by one key difference:

  • Tinkering Bench allows you to combine any blueprints into a [potentially] better blueprint
  • War Bench only allows you to combine multiples of the exact same item into a [potentially] better version of that item

I had been hoarding a bunch of random high-tier but useless gear (e.g, hide and chitin armour, saddles for creatures I never use, etc.). But I guess those should all be thrown in the grinder?

However, there's also the Helicoprion, who can turn items into blueprints. So if you have high-tier useless items, you can do that and then sacrifice those blueprints at the Tinkering Bench. On this note: I have done multiple dinowipes on both the Island and the Center and have not seen a single Helicoprion. Are they just insanely rare?

But all in all, it looks like there's no way at all to get a high-tier version of an item without already having multiples of that item? For example, I've only found a couple pieces of ascendant hazard gear (and no blueprints for it at all) on Aberration and would love to have at least one complete set.

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u/luckyrunner — 22 days ago

What's the best way to farm hide on Aberration?

I'm playing through the story maps of ASA on single player and am wondering what the best way to farm hide is on Aberration? All my resource-gathering settings are default / 1.0.

On the Island, I farmed hide with an Ovis farm and a Therizino (the "C" attack only gathers hide, so you can kill dozens of sheep at once and not get overburned with mutton). Best strategy I've ever found by far. I got carried away and now have an entire dedicated storage full of hide (360K) and then a bit more in another.

On Scorched Earth, I honestly didn't end up needing much hide, as I was able to find plenty of premade Fasolosuchus saddles and managed to take down even the alpha Manticore with only 8 or 10 of them. If I hadn't found the saddles, I would have used an ascendant chainsaw (again, I was able to find a whole bunch of these). Or if not, I would have used my Thyla.

On Aberration, I again started with an Ovis farm (no shortage of those here!). I then used the following to harvest at least a few Ovis each: Araneo, Yi-Ling, Gigantoraptor, Dire Bear, Basilisk, Baryonyx, Spino, Karkinos, Megalosaur, Rock Drake, and Ravager. For some reason, my Rock Drake couldn't harvest the dead Ovis at all. And despite the Wiki saying that Karkinos are especially good hide gatherers, I found them to be below average. Surprisingly, I got the most from my Ravager. Of course, a chainsaw (primitive -- I've never gotten a better one on Ab) gathered a lot more per Ovis, but it was very slow, lost durability quickly, and is decently expensive to repair. So the best strategy for me is Ravagers.

But I only have about 40K of the 250K that I need for my Megalosaur army saddles, so I'm wondering if anyone has found any better strategies? Needless to say, I want to do this without bringing items or creatures from other maps (or the hide itself for that matter).

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u/luckyrunner — 23 days ago

How would you solo alpha Rockwell now?

I've been playing through all of ASA on single-player. My approach has always been to start every single map fresh, always taming brand new dinos and not transferring anything over. I've beaten the Island (Theris + Yuti + Daeodons) and Scorched Earth (Fasolos) on alpha, and am now nearing the boss fight on Aberration.

As far as I've seen online, there's always been two main strategies for Rockwell:

  1. Have a bunch of Megalosaurs munch on him while you ride around on a Rock Drake shooting his tentacles (with an optional Reaper following you);
  2. Run around on foot with cactus broth and shoot both the tentacles and him yourself.

However, apparently, you can now no longer shoot from the back of Rock Drakes (unless you change your game mode to PVE), and Rockwell spawns a lot more exploding balls (especially if you don't use cactus broth).

Now, I would prefer to go the dino army route, not the solo shotgun route, as this feels more "true to Ark" for me, but I'm ultimately OK with either option. However, I do want to avoid using cactus broth because, whether you get it from that semi-secret loot drop in the Glowtail cave or transfer it over directly from Scorched Earth, it never felt like that was an "intended" mechanic. And lastly, since I usually play with PVP settings, changing my settings to PVE for a single fight (in order to be able to fire from the back of a Rock Drake) also feels kind of cheat-y and I would prefer to not do this.

So my question is this: Is it possible to solo alpha Rockwell without cactus broth on single-player PVP (aka, I cannot shoot from the back of a Rock Drake); and if so, how would you do it?

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u/luckyrunner — 27 days ago

Rock drakes not dropping unfertilized eggs

Are rock drakes supposed to drop unfertilized eggs, like all other dinos? I have 5 rock drakes (1 male, 4 female) sitting on a platform with an oviraptor next to them (on wandering, so each drake has the flashing egg symbol above them).

It's been many, many hours and I have not gotten a single unfertilized egg from any of them. If I enable mating, I can get plenty of fertilized ones. But, I'd prefer to use the unfertilized ones for kibble as it's much more convenient.

Every single other dino I've used for kibble (both on Aberration and on other maps) has never had this issue.

Has this happened to anyone else? Is there any way to fix it?

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u/luckyrunner — 27 days ago

Artifact of the brute not appearing on center map

I'm playing on The Center (on single player) and the Artifact of the Brute (the one that's just randomly on the sea floor) won't spawn.

I've tried waiting, restarting the game, leaving and coming back into render, playing for several hours and then coming back to the same spot -- it's still not there. I looked up every video and guide I could and I'm at the exact spot they show (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GprhOELS-s) but it's not there.

Any ideas?

u/luckyrunner — 30 days ago

Wireless crafting with hard polymer bug?

For all other crafting materials, when I have the necessary ingredients in the inventory of my tek replicator, it prioritizes those over ones in dedicated storage, as expected. However, I just noticed that when I put organic polymer into my replicator, it still prioritizes pulling hard polymer from storage over using the organic polymer inside its inventory.

If I disable wireless crafting on the hard polymer storage, it starts using the organic polymer just fine. So it's clearly just a matter of prioritization.

I'm not sure if this has always been the case and I've simply never noticed, or if it's something that only just started happening.

Could anyone please test this on their end to see if you're also experiencing it? Or does anyone know if there's a fix (other than disabling wireless crafting on the hard polymer dedicated storage)?

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u/luckyrunner — 1 month ago

My phone's internet works fine but almost all calls are dropped

This started a few days ago and I'm at a complete loss for what to do. My phone usually shows "5G" and anytime I open a web page or check the internet speed, it seems to be working well. However, almost anytime I try to make a call, it just drops without ringing. And many people have reported that they can't get through to me either.

  • WiFi was off for most of my testing, but turning it on doesn't seem to change anything
  • I've tried restarting the phone numerous times
  • I've also restarted the wireless settings specifically
  • I'm at home, in the same location I've had this same phone and provider for the last almost two years
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u/luckyrunner — 1 month ago

What are some of the best/worst parts of Calgary to live in?

I'm planning on moving to Calgary in a few months for a graduate internship. I'll be there for at least a year or a year and a half. It's not set in stone where I'll be working, and there are multiple options across the city, so I'm somewhat flexible with choosing where to live.

Can anyone shed insight into what areas to look in and which to avoid?

  • I'll probably be looking to rent a solo apartment or a small house
  • I'll have a car
  • I'd love to be in an area that's next to some parks where I can safely go for walks/runs in the evening or nighttime

Any additional information or insights are always welcome! I've never been to Alberta before.

u/luckyrunner — 1 month ago

Testing: Flasks vs Grenades

I was curious as to the efficacy of the existing throwable explosives we had versus some of the new flasks we got in the latest update. So I did a bit of testing and am sharing the results with my fellow scientists.

  1. Blizzard Flask vs. Slushie Bomb
    • Method: timing duration on a phone and observing ice dispersal
    • Result: The blizzard flask lasts approximately 8.5 seconds while the slushie bomb lasts approximately 5.5 seconds. The blizzard flask appears to have a larger area of effect, though no tools were available to quantify the measurement.
    • Addendum: Care must be taken as both have the same effect on the user as on targets.
  2. Megaton Flask vs. Mugnade
    • Method: comparing efficacy against various opponents (no specific damage numbers could be observed but if other scientists want to repeat the experiment with helpful mod[ification]s, they are encouraged to do so)
    • Result: I would estimate the megaton flask to be roughly double the yield of the mugnade. The flask could dispatch many enemies (e.g., security bots, volatile exors, mystagogues) with a single well-placed throw; two mugnades were usually needed for the same opponents, while one was sufficient for lower-tier foes (e.g. exors, order soldiers). Multiples of each had to be used for all higher-tier opponents such as Jotuns and all more advanced robots.
    • Addendum: An additional point is that while the mugnade bounces and rolls before detonating, making precise placement difficult, the megaton flask explodes precisely on contact.

Onward, to science!

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u/luckyrunner — 1 month ago

How much of a difference does armour rating make?

Based on reading prior posts on here, I have learned the following about armour:

  • Each armour piece protects the limb it is on (values are not added together), so if you're mixing-and-matching pieces, it makes the most sense to have the highest armour where you usually get hit the most (chest)
  • There are allegedly "diminishing returns" after 20 or so armour, but I have found no quantifiable data on what this means

So I wonder, when choosing from among the late-game armour sets, how much of a practical difference is there between having 20, 22, 24, and 26 armour per slot? Do those values matter significantly, or do you choose based only on the special effect(s) you want?

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u/luckyrunner — 1 month ago

Pet viability in the late-game

I finally got all the available pets to level 20! Definitely took a lot of time and food as it was a total of 21 creatures (9 pests, 8 peccaries, 2 skinks, 2 gun-converted skinks -- which actually doesn't make a difference when you equip them as pets).

I tested them somewhat haphazardly against a lot of generic/early-game enemies and every single pet could take down numerous order soldiers and exor variants with ease.

However, I decided to more systematically test them one-on-one (without my help) against what I consider to be one of the deadliest enemies in the game: the Defense Bot (the Hydroplant one that shoots grenades). Sadly, not a single max-level pet was able to solo a Defense Bot in my testing.

I really expected max-level pets to be absolute monsters. Instead, I'm finding that they only really help in fights that I don't actually need help in.

Anyhow, I'm curious what your experiences with pets have been:

  • Are pets more just fun/cute/etc. or do you actually use them for combat in the late game? If so, which one(s)?
  • Have you ever had a pet genuinely make a difference in big/difficult fights?
  • Have you ever had a pet solo a Defense Bot?
  • Do you think any pet could solo a Jotun (I might test this next)?
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u/luckyrunner — 2 months ago

Missing journal entries since cosmic companions update?

Not sure if I'm missing some new mechanic, but I think I've engaged with all the new content since the Cosmic Companions update released (unlocked all distillations, all chemistry recipes, tamed and levelled all pets, finished the new portal world). However, I'm still missing 4 journal entries under "theories."

Also, I know this was a bug before, but does anyone know if they've added a way to get the first Praetorium journal entry?

u/luckyrunner — 2 months ago