What does conditioning mean in hair science?

This is a question asked in a previous thread and I have collected a lot of info about it so I thought I'd write a discussion.

I'll start with Conditioning Agents for Hair and Skin, a book edited by Perry Romanowski (/u/thejoggler44) and Randy Schueller in 1999. AFAIK it's the only book specifically on the subject.

Helpfully in chapter 1 they provide a definition:

> A product can be said to have conditioning properties if it improves the surface to which it is applied particularly if this improvement involves the correction or prevention of some aspects of surface damage

In plain English I believe this could be boiled down to

  • Makes the surface look and feel better, like soft, shiny or smooth
  • "Fixes" existing damage like smoothing down rough areas
  • Protects against future damage, acting like a shield to prevent further damage like UV, heat, friction

In the context of hair, the chapter goes on to list some components of conditioning

  • Structural factors: Mainly the damage to the cuticle, when the scales are chipped, raised, or broken by actions such as combing. The damage leaves the hair vulnerable to more damage, so to help with this conditioners help maintain a smoothing coating on the outside
  • Compositional elements: Natural lipids can get stripped from hair, which can make it more brittle and prone to damage. Water, which usually is determined by humidity (explained in our myths guide) but the book says when hair is dried by heating it can impair this (histeresis), which can make hair less soft and more prone to breakage. Conditioner can help add these things (lipids and water) back to hair.
  • Appearance: consumers tend to associate shine and color with health, and conditioner can add both to hair
  • Tactile Perception: Conditioning can make the hair feel softer by smoothing the cuticle and assuring the proper level of lipids/moisture, also lubrication which makes the hair easier to groom and helps prevent grooming friction damage
  • Physical properties: Like improving tensile strength, reducing static charges that cause flyaways, and frictional characteristics

Now let's go to the other main hair book Chemical and Physical Behavior of Human Hair by the late Clarence Robbins, last published in 2012

> For hair conditioning products the principle function involves combability. Ease of combing depends primarily on lubrication of the fiber surface. This action is accomplished by the sorption or binding of lubricating or conditioning ingredients onto the hair surface.

This is a simpler definition that may be too simple in some ways, but gets to something important which is that hair conditioners deposit stuff on the hair surface. In modern conditioners this is often "cationic surfactant in combination with long-chain fatty alcohol or other lipid components", these are unique to modern chemistry.

Before the mid 20th century most conditioning was just applying oils and grease to dry hair. In the mid-twentieth century the advent of chemical treatments and shampoos meant they needed a product that could deposit on wet hair and not just be completely rinsed down the drain when rinsed.

Another issue with oil/grease is that damaged hair becomes hydrophilic (water loving) and that means oil is less likely to stick on it. Cationic surfactants get around this by being positively (cationically) charged, so they are attracted to the negative charges on the damage surface. This is also useful because they are going to be MORE attracted to those damaged areas than undamaged areas.

Finally my third book, Hair Care an Illustrated Handbook (2005) by Dr. Zoe Diana Draelos, which is unlike the previous sources targeted at dermatologists (MDs) not chemist formulators.

Its most simple definition is:

  • Conditioners: Leave the hair soft and smooth after sebum removal

and later on expounds on it in a dedicated section

> Conditioners are liquids, creams, pastes, or gels that mimic sebum in making the hair manageable, glossy, and soft. The role of conditioners goes beyond maintaining the appearance of healthy hair. Conditioners also attempt to recondition hair that has been damaged by chemical or mechanical trauma. Common sources of trauma include excessive brushing, hot blow-drying, permanent hair waves, hair straightening, hair bleaching, etc. Damage to the hair shaft can also occur through environmental factors such as exposure to sunlight, air pollution, wind, seawater, and chlorinated swimming pool water.26 This type of hair damage is technically known as ‘weathering.’ Obviously, since hair is nonliving tissue,

> Healthy, undamaged hair is soft, resilient, and easy to disentangle. Unfortunately, the trauma caused by shampooing, drying, combing, brushing, styling, dyeing, and permanent waving damages the hair, making it harsh, brittle, and difficult to disentangle. Hair conditioners are designed to reverse this hair damage by decreasing static electricity, improving manageability, increasing hair shine, decreasing split ends, and improving hair flexibility.

As an aside a common online discussion goes along the lines of "if shampoo removes sebum, and conditioner adds it back, shampoo must be bad and if we stop using it we won't need conditioner" which understates the benefits of shampoo and also ignores the fact that conditioner corrects for a lot of non-shampoo related damage. It's talked about on our myths page.

Anyway, maybe that was helpful, keep in mind I am not a chemist or a formulator, nor do I work in the industry, just an enthusiast trained to read scientific research as part of my unrelated sciences degree and I also did some professional science writing in the past.

I would love any industry folks or scientists to weigh in, and feel free to ask followup questions

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u/sudosussudio — 6 days ago

Does a conditioner's viscosity have any relationship to its level of conditioning?

Is a conditioner's physical thickness (viscosity) related to how much conditioning it provides, or can the two be formulated independently?

For example, could a thick, rich-feeling conditioner (the kind often marketed as a "mask") be formulated to be low in conditioning?

My understanding is that "mask" is a consumer marketing term rather than a technical one, but consumers seem to strongly believe that anything that is thick/rich feeling and marketed as a mask is more containing. I'm especially interested in hearing from cosmetic chemists and formulators.

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u/sudosussudio — 7 days ago

Dogsitting Boris (15) for my dad

Cuddly little guy but the most picky eater I’ve ever encountered among dogs I’ve known.

u/sudosussudio — 1 month ago

Haircut advice for low density long fine hair

I saw this Instagram video and thought it would be useful, it's from clairealmondd and she describes what she asks for at the hair stylist- no layers except some face framing. If y'all prefer it I can try to find a way to get these videos on here so you don't have to go to instagram, it's really a shame how much good info is there and it's not even easy to search for if you're on instagram.

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u/sudosussudio — 2 months ago

The genetic tragedy of the basenji

The basenji fascinates me because it exists both as a modern breed and a landrace. For the uninitiated, a modern breed is one that has a standard set by a breed club and is selectively bred to meet that standard, a concept that originates in the Victorian era. A landrace dog is a type of dog that looks/acts the way it does due to its uses to humans and local environment, with mostly random breeding or breeding for utility and no standard.

In the 30s an animal trafficker brought 6 basenjis to England. It is from only those 6 dogs (!!!) that the modern breed was established. And unsurprisingly, the basenji breed is prone to genetic diseases bc they are inbred af and bred to meet a frankly arbitrary standard.

Luckily for the breed, the basenji continues to exist as a landrace in Africa. And breed organizations have been introducing some landrace individuals into the bred population as part of the Native Stock Project. Most other modern breeds have no such resource to draw on.

Ridiculously these dogs must be evaluated to ensure they meet the standard developed by English people...

The Native Stock Project (formerly the African Stock Project) is the BCOA program through which newly imported African basenji bloodlines enter the AKC registry. Every dog admitted has come through an application, hands-on evaluation by breeders and judges, a board review, and a two-thirds membership vote.

IDK there is a lot of be said here that's above my head about colonialism but it fascinates me that people managed to take a population of perfectly healthy genetically healthy dogs and turn it into a population that needs genetic rescue all because of the "breed" concept.

It's these landrace dogs that true genetic diversity comes from. People say we need to "preserve" Victorian breeds, but why? Traditions are not all good, and frankly modern breeds are not where genetic diversity lies.

Unfortunately the main genetic value of purebred dogs has been using them as disease models. For example labradors and dobermans were used to understand narcolepsy in the Standard colony. I'm not sure that's a good reason to keep breeds around though and the Stanford colony was ended in 1995 (all the dogs were adopted to homes which is rare for scientific dogs afk).

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u/sudosussudio — 3 months ago

($3k) In praise of old school Italian bakeries

I feel like I hit the jackpot by using an old school Italian bakery La Scala Italian Pastry shop in Tom’s River NJ. We had an EXTREMELY informal reception with about 40 people. I got the tiramisu cake, 50 mini cannolis and assorted cookies for the wedding (I really like the pine nut ones, pignoli) plus I confess I bought myself a whole cannoli and a bunch of other sweets to eat when we picked it up. There were plenty of leftovers of everything except mini cannolis (probably because I ate a larger number myself than I should have. The total $200. I could not believe it.

We also had a potato chip buffet. I really like Utz and they aren’t super common where I live in the Midwest. This allowed me to buy almost every flavor I wanted including the surprise hit: lemonade. Yes, lemonade potato chips. I thought they sounded hilarious but they were somehow really really good? We didn’t have any leftovers of those…,

The rest of the shindig was very cheap bc

  1. Free venue the very hip rec room at in laws retirement community
  2. FIL is a retired professional caterer and did a lot of setup and handled the other food (lasagna and whatnot from local Italian restaurant)
  3. I obviously only care about one thing: cannoli, I let his family decorate and arrange stuff as they pleased
  4. No alcohol, because the retirement community wanted us to pay some kind of insurance or something, we had fancy sparkling waters instead
  5. Husbands bf is a sound guy so he did all the music stuff

If you are like me I can’t recommend an old school Italian bakery enough!

My only regret is not getting coffee to go with everything. It was in the late afternoon so I thought we could skip it but I craved it and my family is full of the type of people who do after dinner espresso (I guess our adhd is so bad it puts us to sleep?).

u/sudosussudio — 3 months ago
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my product guide for long, fine hair

This is mostly based on personal experience. My hair is very long, very fine, has a wave. I feel like I finally got to a great place in my routine.

Feel free to drop your experience with these products below!

ETA: imgur upload if it’s blurry for you!

u/roseofmarie — 3 months ago
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Me getting a notification at 3 am that I got a “poor nights sleep” and “may have a challenging day ahead” because I got up to use the bathroom…

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Apple’s weird anti-nausea dots cured my car sickness | Vehicle Motion Cues let me read and write in the passenger seat without wanting to die

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u/Hrmbee — 4 months ago

Is it true that small white flakes = dry scalp, not dandruff?

I’m seeing this maxim often on social media and I’m skeptical. My understanding was that white flakes can be dandruff, and the yellow flakes these influencers say are “real dandruff” are often indicative of seb derm.

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u/sudosussudio — 4 months ago

2 years later, I may need vision therapy

You can read my past posts here (1, 2, 3). Unfortunately my need for prisms has only increased. My doctor says at 2.00 BO both eyes she doesn't want to up my prism anymore and wants to send me to vision therapy which I'm not thrilled at but that's life...

I think the last straw has been continued double vision seeing movies at the theater. I saw Backrooms last night and had to just cover one eye. It also triggered a migraine.

I am considering seeing an ophthalmologist if I can get a referral. I wonder if they can go deeper on potential causes. I've already ruled out Grave's disease (a thyroid disorder) at my GP, which is a common cause of BVD apparently. I do worry a bit about myasthenia gravis since the condition seems to worsen with fatigue.

Anyway, I did enjoy a mostly eye problem free 1.5 years or so (subtracting prism adjustment time and whatnot).

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u/sudosussudio — 4 months ago

A note from the mods: updated rules, wiki, and what's coming

We're overdue for a proper check-in. Over the past year or so we've made a number of changes to the rules and wiki, and rather than let them pile up without explanation, we wanted to lay everything out in one place.

Streamlined rules and updated wiki

The rules have been rewritten to be simpler and more general. The old rules had gradually become a patchwork of responses to specific trends and problem posts, which made them harder to apply consistently. The intent is the same as it's always been, the application should just be cleaner now. The wiki has also been updated to reflect the new rule.

Some pages that might be of general interest are

One new rule to note: please one question per question post and put the question in the title. We aim for questions to all be answered and it's harder if it's actually multiple questions, plus it's also harder to search for. See the asking questions guide for more info.

Why we hold a high bar

This sub ranks highly in Google search results for hair science questions, which means we have some responsibility for what people find when they're trying to learn. Our goal has always been to help people understand both hair and science. And not just give answers, but model how to evaluate evidence. The internet already has plenty of general hair content and science-washed marketing. We're trying to be the opposite of that.

Misinformation is also genuinely hard to undo. A single confidently-worded comment can do more damage than a sourced rebuttal can fix, especially in a field where quality research is limited and hard to identify. Most hair scientists work in industry rather than academia. This means industry-funded research isn't automatically bad, and academic sources aren't automatically good. We want to help the community develop the skills to evaluate sources critically rather than just defer to credentials.

We also want to be accessible. Commenters here range from academic researchers to people who are just curious and found us on Google. The goal is to be rigorous without being exclusionary: if you don't understand something, ask for clarification or a different explanation. If you're not sure a source meets our standards, ask. Lab Muffin's approach to mechanistic thinking is a useful model for the kind of engagement we're aiming for

Moderation

All posts and comments are filtered for mod review before going live. Verified scientists and consistently approved users are exceptions. Active mods are myself, u/veglove, and u/thejoggler44 (Perry Romanowski , cosmetic chemist, co-host of Beauty Brains, and author/editor of several hair science texts). We're open to adding mods who are aligned with the mission. Message us if that's you.

Casual discussion thread

We've been piloting a pinned casual discussion thread for a few months. The purpose is to maintain a high standard in main comments while making room for opinions, personal experience, hypotheses, and adjacent conversation. The main thread is for scientifically verifiable claims with sources; the casual discussion thread is for everything else — personal practices, product experiences, industry commentary, and so on. Please note that if you do just want to share general advice without sources, there are tons of subreddits that would love your help..

One important note: casual discussion is not a pass to make unsourced factual claims about hair science. Misinformation spreads even from people who sound knowledgeable, and "you can Google it" is not a source. If you're making a factual claim about how hair or a product behaves, you still need to back it up. Note that some post types like Discussion flair operate a little differently- see the wiki for details.

A note on the wiki

If you've been here a while, you may notice the wiki looks very different. The old wiki had grown over many years and unfortunately a lot of it had not aged well. For example, some pages repeated claims that we now know are myths, presented as fact. Rather than patch it page by page, we decided to start fresh. The new wiki is intentionally slim for now. It covers the essentials: how to ask and answer questions, how to evaluate sources, and how to find good research. We'd rather have a small wiki we can stand behind than a large one we can't. We'll add to it over time.

AMAs

AMAs are a better fit for broader or more casual questions that don't belong in the main feed. We're hoping to run more of them. If you have a guest suggestion, let us know in the comments.

Advice posts: we want your feedback

Advice questions (help with your own hair, product recommendations, routine questions) are currently not permitted. We're considering introducing Advice Fridays: one day per week where those questions are allowed. Before we do, we want to hear from the community: is this something you feel is missing, and something you can't get elsewhere? We would require that answers come from an expert or have sources backing claims. It may be a challenge to get such answers and that's why we've redirected people to more general hair subs. Medical questions (scalp conditions, hair loss) would remain off-limits regardless as those belong with a doctor or dermatologist.

Let us know what you think in the comments.

u/sudosussudio — 5 months ago
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A reminder about the "is it wavy enough?" thing

We had a little situation recently that's a good excuse to revisit why this sub exists.

Someone posted their hair. Another user decided it was their job to inform that poster that their hair didn't qualify.

That's not their job, and that's not something we do here.

Here's the thing: the risk of "accidentally" including someone with straight hair is essentially zero. Having some texture when wet indicates that there is a pattern there, maybe it's not a very strong one, but that's not something you see on truly straight hair. Maybe they'll try a new routine and find out it doesn't work well enough to be worth it. Many of the products are still going to be useful (I use gel when I wear my hair straight) and none of them are going to be harmful. Even the weakest pattern can do a beach wave look.

Meanwhile, the risk of making someone feel unwelcome in the one corner of the internet that isn't telling them their waves don't count? We don't need that here, this is a place where you can experiment without being judged.

The sub's position is that truly straight hair is straight whether it's wet, dry, or anything in between. It is a well-studied phenotype that maybe some people aren't familiar with but once you've encountered it you'll know that people with truly straight hair do not wonder if it's actually straight or not.

That's exactly who this place is for. If you want a sub that gatekeeps curl patterns and debates whether someone's hair "wavy enough," you can go to the larger textured hair subs. This sub exists because people wanted to be free from that.

Welcome to everyone. Please be kind to each other.

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u/sudosussudio — 5 months ago

New free book: Science in Beauty

From the Ecowell’s Science and Beauty summit

https://docsend.com/view/uqcy42enstjz4yup

Some chapters for those interested in hair sci

- Evolution and science of surfactants

- Hair Science: Structure, Chemistry, Damage, and Concerns

- Clinical Research Journey Behind Improving Hair Retention Through Scalp Hair

u/sudosussudio — 7 months ago